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imail724
07-13-2019, 02:59 PM
Hey i missed the Shasta commercial, and that's awesome.

But I've been wondering what they will be playing on the Slayer tour. Hopefully keeping it old school,. missing/diety and burning inside. I saw them in 2003 and they were thankfully playing the classics still (BREATHE AND STIGMATA FTW)Yeah I don't know. I'll be there so I'm hoping they play the classics, but I can't help but feel the post-Barker stuff would be more fitting for a Slayer crowd.

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SM Rollinger
07-13-2019, 03:16 PM
Yeah I don't know. I'll be there so I'm hoping they play the classics, but I can't help but feel the post-Barker stuff would be more fitting for a Slayer crowd.

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Your probably right but I'm still gonna be hopeful.

virushopper
07-13-2019, 05:47 PM
Yeah I don't know. I'll be there so I'm hoping they play the classics, but I can't help but feel the post-Barker stuff would be more fitting for a Slayer crowd.

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Iím happy if they just play the Rio Grande Blood material.


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Halo Infinity
07-20-2019, 03:25 PM
I've often wondered about the reception Filth Pig got from fans that were around at the time, which is why I was pleasantly surprised when I found this video upon searching Ministry on YouTube. I have often speculated that for some or even many fans at the time, that Filth Pig was an enormous disappointment after Psalm 69.

As for me, it immediately became one of my favorite Ministry albums, right up there with Dark Side of the Spoon, which I also would've liked to have been included in the reviewed. I've always thought that they were underrated and actually still wish that there were more songs from Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon performed in their set-lists. Anyway, I just figured that it would be worth checking out for any Ministry/Filth Pig fans out there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNEsGV2-ao

Piko
07-20-2019, 05:48 PM
It's one of my favorites for sure. I think it suffered mainly because it wasn't what people wanted or expected, another Psalm 69. Filth Pig might be to Ministry what Adore is to Smashing Pumpkins. Albums that weren't fully appreciated until much later.

halo eighteen
07-27-2019, 07:16 PM
Wow they added a show in Flint, MI on an off night during the Slayer tour. Too bad Primus won't be with them too.

Exocet
07-28-2019, 12:15 AM
the production on Filth Pig is breathtaking, such a big sound, hard powerful doomy vibe, quite experimental and weird. blew me away when i first heard it, scary music without trying too hard, Filth Pig is the opposite of Psalm 69.

i liked Dark side of the Spoon too, not as good but almost, Ministry for me died after Paul Barker left.

wizfan
07-28-2019, 05:14 AM
Filth Pig was a tough pill to swallow for me, all right. I was a "Psalm 69-and-before" fan, but something kept pulling me back to Filth Pig. Once it hit me... bam. It's one of my fave Ministry albums. One of their bravest, most offensive albums. A million George Bush, Sr. samples cannot simply compare with the simplicity of the scorching riffs and bass lines on that album.

DVYDRNS
07-29-2019, 11:20 AM
dark spoon and animositisomina were largely barker productions. Al was so out of it at this point. that being said, they are two of my faves. everyone loves to act like animositisomina didn't exist, but its so good! its like a heavy lead into gold record imo.

SM Rollinger
07-29-2019, 12:12 PM
Ive been converting my CDs to digital and I just listened to Filth Pig and Animositisomina for the first time in awhile and I was taken aback by how raw and visceral they both sound.

(Some of the Bush Trilogy stuff is better than I remember too, like Let's Go? Damn that's a burner!)

Halo Infinity
07-29-2019, 09:48 PM
Wow I'm late to the party on this one!

https://youtu.be/NBWSm3dQpvk

edit: this got me thinking, does anybody have the link to the Wendy's commercial from a few years ago that was obviously inspired by Work For Love?
I often find myself returning to that Shasta commercial as well. It actually reminds me as to why I sometimes prefer Al to sing more than scream. I also like how hearing "So So Cola" instantly reminded me of So So Life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6YE1BSR-M


https://youtu.be/6H9KgoiCdOY
I also missed this due to skipping to the latest page a lot, but it also reminded me of Walk in the Park.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVH1PjYgXQ

It just makes me wonder how his older material would sound with industrial metal/rock mixed into it. And as far as 1980s and 1990s Ministry go, I just find myself listening to With Sympathy, Twitch, Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon the most. I think it's also because I actually kept listening to The Land of Rape and Honey, The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste, Psalm 69, Houses of the Mole, Rio Grande Blood and The Last Sucker non-stop when I became a fan during the second half of the 2000s. This could also be why I still wished there would be more songs from anything but those 6 albums, even in spite of how they're still easily among my favorites.

I still somehow found Relapse and From Beer to Eternity to be fun listens though.

Every Day is Halloween and What's Wrong With Me? (Although that's a Buck Satan and the 666 Shooters song.) also seem to get more relatable with age. But that's also just me talking. :p

Speaking of which, I think that's also what has drawn me to Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon, as I find them to be very relatable albums.


(Some of the Bush Trilogy stuff is better than I remember too, like Let's Go? Damn that's a burner!)
A storm's a brewing! (It seemed like a good chance to post this too.) https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/images/smilies/wink.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nso3wgGQu3s

But for real. As a matter of fact, I always liked The Bush Trilogy, but I still agree that Ministry's set-lists are obviously/clearly so much better with more songs from outside of it as well. For some reason though, I actually found myself listening to Houses of the Mole and The Last Sucker more than Rio Grande Blood though, but then again, I also really enjoy Ass Clown and Khyber Pass.

MrLobster
08-18-2019, 02:49 PM
So... there's this (https://www.instagram.com/p/B1N1q-fnZGK/?utm_source=ig_embed)...

DVYDRNS
08-18-2019, 05:12 PM
I just can't anymore...

armogi
08-18-2019, 05:27 PM
come on, hasselhoff + ministry has to be good

MrLobster
08-18-2019, 05:56 PM
come on, hasselhoff + ministry has to be good

There is a proven track record of Ministry(and co-conspirators) doin' pretty good covers, so in that sense, I am curious.

Halo Infinity
08-18-2019, 09:44 PM
I'm so thankful and happy to know that Al is finally coming to terms with With Sympathy. Albeit extremely at a gradual pace, but it's perhaps much better than having him loathe it and trash it more and more, decade by decade. Sometimes I also like to imagine how it would've turned out for Ministry if they also have the chance to perform at Woodstock 1994 without Al disowning With Sympathy. It's quite fun, at least to me imaging how the set-list could've gone, with Ministry beefing up With Sympathy and Twitch songs alongside The Land of Rape and Honey, The Mind is a Terrible Terrible Thing to Taste and Psalm 69.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MR8lMcT9-o

And as I've mentioned numerous times by now, I sometimes still can't get enough of With Sympathy, so it's a pleasant surprise every time I come across a review of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2sjCflMyXM

versusreality
08-19-2019, 06:05 AM
Ministry in 81-82 (pre-WS) was raw and energetic. in fact some of it doesn't sound too dissimilar tempo and aggression wise from stuff he'd do 5 or 6 years later. so much synth awesomeness in this. even political lyrics that he's known for show up here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSiz-Gindkg&t=1505s

Halo Infinity
08-19-2019, 07:47 PM
If only Ministry would perform America live again, especially after putting out an album that has AmeriKKKant as its title.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcp4kJCj2ns

It also seems like Just Like You and We Believe have also become even more relevant than before.

Anyway, I also wanted to say that I still think that it's pretty cool to see lots of early Ministry fans here. In real life, I think most fans I've met and seen were mostly fans of everything 1988 and up, or were also far more fixated with the post-Paul Barker eras.

versusreality
08-19-2019, 10:06 PM
oh, I love the track America!! again, it just shows how his lyrics have always been politically conscious. it's so weird when I see comments on youtube saying "I'm not a fan of him anymore, how dare he bash Trump" and I'm like.."but he's been saying this type of stuff since 1981!!"

I have been on a big 84-87 period lately. Listened to Twitch/Live Toronto 86 a lot the past few days and was thinking the same thing..Just Like You, We Believe, Over the Shoulder, Isle of Man...more relevant now than ever! I recall having a conversation with Trent some years ago and he was saying Twitch was his favorite.

Space Suicide
08-19-2019, 11:46 PM
Al disavowing anything pre Twitch is idiotic. All that material is awesome.

imail724
09-18-2019, 10:52 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ministry-al-jourgensen-photo-book-everyday-halloween-886020/?fbclid=IwAR31o4qyG9y6SxJF5n1SqT86wpDc06rGzU9HGBPR qjLMNpr5e390qZkho80

https://www.melodicvirtue.com/collections/ministry

SM Rollinger
09-27-2019, 04:19 PM
https://youtu.be/35ZBGOjSbh8

Shadaloo
09-28-2019, 12:16 PM
So the Chicago 1982 LP from the Trax Box just got an extended CD re-release as Chicago/Detroit 1982 (https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-detroit-1982-Ministry/dp/B07VGTYMKY). A few new performances on there. According to the folks on Prongs, those last few tracks might be a little off pitch-wise.

I love "Le Stupide". :D

Shadaloo
09-28-2019, 12:17 PM
https://youtu.be/dVKKuoGuxro

Shadaloo
10-05-2019, 09:39 PM
According to the folks on Prongs, those last few tracks might be a little off pitch-wise.

Slight update is that that's from one of the old band members from that period who posts there. So the speed and pitch of the Detroit show is supposedly off "a half-semitone sharp and too fast by about 4%". I ran said tracks through Audacity's Change Speed function (which accounts for pitch as well), and they sound way better as a result. PM me if want :)

Halo Infinity
10-13-2019, 10:31 PM
I really enjoyed how All Day turned out to be back in 1984. Dare I say, I even like this more than it turned out to be in 1986/1987.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mieL3FUXQbo

And I finally came across Toronto 1986, and Just Like You and Over The Shoulder also sounded so much better than I expected them to be. I enjoyed it so much, that I'd actually switch between Toronto 1986 and In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReddfRfZWtE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMNx-XdfIc

I was also pleasantly reminded and surprised that We Believe was actually performed in 2003.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1VL8g6kQU

All of this is actually making me miss the Piss Army forums, with Ministry fans being Pissants or whatnot, even if I never joined. And even if I was never around for it, in spite of how much I enjoyed 1990s and 2000s Ministry, I just can't and won't ever let go of 1980s Ministry. :)

SM Rollinger
10-14-2019, 09:35 AM
Damn Al, it's about time!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/great-stage-park-manchester-tn-739daaad.html

I'm still salty about the lack of SUPERNAUT at Riotfest tho!!!

imail724
10-14-2019, 10:26 AM
Damn Al, it's about time!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/great-stage-park-manchester-tn-739daaad.html

I'm still salty about the lack of SUPERNAUT at Riotfest tho!!!
Oh shit! I thought these kinds of sets were just for that little Industrial Accident tour! Hope he keeps it like this for the upcoming Slayer tour.

Maximilian
10-31-2019, 01:32 PM
Uncle Al's Halloween treat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorKFQ50ZK0

kas23
11-02-2019, 10:41 AM
Nice video and great song, but there’s definitely some cheese mixed in there. Al frantically playing around with the sound board controls and the lighter part. Perhaps the biggest lol moment is Al having to read the lyrics. This song has been in existence for about 35 years and Al still doesn’t know the words. I bet 95% of his concert going fans can sing this without a lyric sheet.

SM Rollinger
11-02-2019, 12:04 PM
Nice video and great song, but there’s definitely some cheese mixed in there. Al frantically playing around with the sound board controls and the lighter part. Perhaps the biggest lol moment is Al having to read the lyrics. This song has been in existence for about 35 years and Al still doesn’t know the words. I bet 95% of his concert going fans can sing this without a lyric sheet.

I was on the rail for Ministry at the Rave Eagles Ballroom in 2003 and not only was everyone around me singing along with EVERY song (myself included), but we were shouting along with the damned SAMPLES too! Fucking awesome I can't believe they played Breathe!

edit: who else is seeing them with Slayer this month? Fucking hyped Al better bring the classics!

imail724
11-02-2019, 04:10 PM
edit: who else is seeing them with Slayer this month? Fucking hyped Al better bring the classics!

Ill be at the NYC show. Unfortunately it looks like both Ministry and Primus will be doing less than an hour each

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191102/fa708a5ca3d85fea1ef5d4c39baa3c52.jpg

imail724
11-03-2019, 09:22 AM
Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

SM Rollinger
11-03-2019, 09:28 AM
Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

I haven't seen Burning Inside or Missing/Deity so I'm happy

edit: so is Primus from the looks of it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/primus/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-739d0eb5.html

imail724
11-03-2019, 09:33 AM
I haven't seen Burning Inside or Missing/Deity so I'm happy

edit: so is Primus from the looks of it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/primus/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-739d0eb5.htmlPrimus has been teasing Nutbutter a bunch lately but haven't played it in full in forever. I'm praying this setlist is accurate and I'll finally get to hear it in full next week

ziltoid
11-06-2019, 09:18 AM
Gonna see them tonight!
Those setlists for all the bands are fucking phenomenal it's gonna be a good time tonight!
I'm wondering what the tour poster looks like I might snag one along with some merch if they're available after the show ends.
VIP'ers get first dibs at the merch table but I ain't gonna pay $300 to see slayer with no guarantee of meeting Al or the others on top of paying for merch.

imail724
11-06-2019, 03:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/WxHQww3.jpg

Soma
11-06-2019, 05:42 PM
Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.

ziltoid
11-07-2019, 10:59 AM
I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.


You won't be disappointed.
Even though their set is short it's the best setlist they've played in years imo.

Pics from last nights show including some of the merch.
I got a few videos too but I might upload them to YouTube seeing as I just learned that imgur doesn't have sound in the two videos I accidentally uploaded.
https://imgur.com/gallery/m7qcS03

bobbie solo
11-07-2019, 03:06 PM
Pics from last nights show including some of the merch.
I got a few videos too but I might upload them to YouTube seeing as I just learned that imgur doesn't have sound in the two videos I accidentally uploaded.
https://imgur.com/gallery/m7qcS03

they selling any show specific or full tour prints/posters? Doubtful but I had to ask.

ziltoid
11-07-2019, 06:43 PM
they selling any show specific or full tour prints/posters? Doubtful but I had to ask.


Aside from the ones they are given to the VIPer's the only one I saw was from Primus. It was $100 signed and around $40-$60 without signatures.
If there was other posters being sold I didn't see it with one caveat, VIP'ers also got a first chance at the merch tables and they could have sold out even before I got to the table.
I really want the Final Campaign Tour poster so I can frame it with my ticket :(.

ManBurning
11-10-2019, 03:33 PM
Here's a full show from the recent tour opening for Slayer.
Dude, Al is 61 and he still has it. They sound tight.
When I think of the kings of Drugs and Alcohol, Al is usually someone that comes to mind, but this guy is 10 years older than Manson and in way better shape mentally and physically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImtjxeAkhQ

Piko
11-10-2019, 05:31 PM
Here's a full show from the recent tour opening for Slayer.
Dude, Al is 61 and he still has it. They sound tight.
When I think of the kings of Drugs and Alcohol, Al is usually someone that comes to mind, but this guy is 10 years older than Manson and in way better shape mentally and physically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImtjxeAkhQ61, overcame a severe heroin addiction, alcoholism, etc. It's a miracle he's still even alive tbh. For him to be able keep going is just crazy. Manson needs help.

SM Rollinger
11-15-2019, 06:12 PM
Anyone at the show tonight??

SM Rollinger
11-15-2019, 10:07 PM
Guess not.

Ministry tape is in the bag, also taped Phil-tera too. Sandblasted Skin!! I'll get my tapes out tomorrow, I'm tired as hell and still have to get thru Slayer (not taping, sorry.)

ManBurning
11-16-2019, 12:24 AM
Guess not.

Ministry tape is in the bag, also taped Phil-tera too. Sandblasted Skin!! I'll get my tapes out tomorrow, I'm tired as hell and still have to get thru Slayer (not taping, sorry.)

Wait, "C-market Sioux falls" actually got THAT show traveling through town?? Daaaamn. Lucky! That's one for the books.

SM Rollinger
11-16-2019, 12:38 AM
Wait, "C-market Sioux falls" actually got THAT show traveling through town?? Daaaamn. Lucky! That's one for the books.

Fuck yeah. I've gotten lucky over the last few months, Satan has sent his messangers to my hometown. Manson/Zombie, Ghost and Slayer all since July! (too bad Manson was utter shite...)

bobbie solo
11-16-2019, 02:28 AM
Keep it up and i'll label it a D market!!!!!

SM Rollinger
11-17-2019, 01:39 PM
As usual, dl link for lossless files is pinned in the comments. Like everything else I have taped in this venue, the sound on this recording turned out perfect. FOB like I usually do, and the crowd behaved themselves too, so no screamers or other idiots. Enjoy.


https://youtu.be/HMPrTqYpAM4

halo eighteen
11-18-2019, 11:14 AM
I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.

Setlist.fm has the Flint, MI show up where it was an off-show as well if you feel like being potentially spoiled.

Helpmeiaminhell
11-18-2019, 01:14 PM
Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

MrLobster
11-18-2019, 01:23 PM
Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

I felt it was worth it, the demos sound like demos (including background hiss sometimes) but certainly aren't bad.

NotoriousTIMP
11-18-2019, 11:22 PM
Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

just download it

Senateguard33
11-19-2019, 02:19 PM
Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I feel that's Ministry's best era of work, so definitely worth it if you love that material. The demos and unreleased songs are fantastic and are just as good if not better than the songs on With Sympathy and Twitch. They are fully realized songs, and apart from some tape hiss, they sound like studio quality tracks.

They've reissued that box set, and last time I checked it's $50, not bad for the amount of content, plus the cool 12" record and book it comes with.

Helpmeiaminhell
11-19-2019, 02:54 PM
It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I feel that's Ministry's best era of work, so definitely worth it if you love that material. The demos and unreleased songs are fantastic and are just as good if not better than the songs on With Sympathy and Twitch. They are fully realized songs, and apart from some tape hiss, they sound like studio quality tracks.

They've reissued that box set, and last time I checked it's $50, not bad for the amount of content, plus the cool 12" record and book it comes with.


With Sympathy-Twitch era is my fav Ministry era for sure....Going to order this from Amazon...One can dream of the day Trent releases a 7 album box set of early NIN demos/alt mixes/unreleased songs

Senateguard33
11-19-2019, 03:54 PM
One can dream of the day Trent releases a 7 album box set of early NIN demos/alt mixes/unreleased songs

My wallet will be ready when that day arrives.

SM Rollinger
11-28-2019, 12:20 AM
Have any of the live backing videos ever surfaced online? Specifically the old one for N.W.O. with the riots and the dude with all the telephones and the religious symbols? The old one was much better than the current one.

(Like some of the skinny puppy and that fragility background videos available online)

SM Rollinger
12-16-2019, 01:19 PM
I know this got shut down in the RHCP thread, but I wasn't familiar circumstances surrounding with River Phoenix's death, and upon some research, i noticed on his Wikipedia page this...


On the evening of October 30, 1993, Phoenix was to perform with the band P which featured his good friends Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, actor Johnny Depp, Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers along with Al Jourgensen of Ministry at The Viper Room, a Hollywood nightclub partly owned at the time by Depp.

Can't say I've ever heard Al being involved with this. Is this factual or just someone making shit up? (cuz that never happens on the internet)

mfte
12-16-2019, 01:34 PM
I know this got shut down in the RHCP thread, but I wasn't familiar circumstances surrounding with River Phoenix's death, and upon some research, i noticed on his Wikipedia page this...



Can't say I've ever heard Al being involved with this. Is this factual or just someone making shit up? (cuz that never happens on the internet)

From the horse's mouth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-1be9GjRU

SM Rollinger
12-16-2019, 01:39 PM
From the horse's mouth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-1be9GjRU

Thanks

Helpmeiaminhell
12-16-2019, 03:18 PM
I think Al was just hanging out that night. Don't think he was involved in the shenanigans. Based on the stuff I have read it sounds like half of young Hollywood was at the Viper Room that night (Christina Applegate, Keanu Reeves, etc etc) Viper Room in the early/mid 90s...Where the cool kids hang out....

mfte
12-16-2019, 05:43 PM
Way to go Colombo!

bixlee
01-11-2020, 10:31 PM
I decided to mashup I Wanted To Tell Her with Thieves because of course I did:
https://youtu.be/oIilHiDOYLk

snichols
01-13-2020, 10:14 AM
Ministry just posted dates for summer tour with KMFDM and Front Line Assembly.

SM Rollinger
01-13-2020, 12:48 PM
Ministry just posted dates for summer tour with KMFDM and Front Line Assembly.

07/01 Seattle, WA – The Showbox Sodo
07/02 Portland, OR – Roseland Theater
07/03 Missoula, MT – Wilma Theatre
07/05 Denver, CO – Ogden Theatre
07/07 Minneapolis, MN – First Avenue
07/09 Pittsburgh, PA – Stage AE
07/10 Detroit, MI – Royal Oak Music Theatre
07/11 Chicago, IL – Riviera Theatre
07/12 Niagara Falls, NY – Rapids Theatre
07/13 Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
07/15 Boston, MA – House of Blues
07/16 Huntington, NY – The Paramount
07/17 Montclair, NJ – The Wellmont
07/18 Philadelphia, PA – Franklin Music Hall
07/19 Baltimore, MD – Baltimore Soundstage
07/21 Atlanta, GA – Tabernacle
07/22 Orlando, FL – Hard Rock Live
07/24 Houston, TX – House of Blues
07/25 Dallas, TX – Gas Monkey Live!
07/26 San Antonio, TX – Aztec Theater
07/28 Albuquerque, NM – Sunshine Theater
07/29 Phoenix, AZ – The Van Buren
07/30 San Diego, CA – House of Blues
07/31 Anaheim, CA – House of Blues
08/01 San Francisco, CA – The Regency Ballroom

First Avenue? They opened for Culture Club there in 83 and there is a circulated in house video feed from the With Sympathy tour that was from there too. Fukk yeah!!! I haven't been to the cities since NIN '13 either, and the last time I was at this venue was Mastodon in the mid 00s and made the mistake of dropping 2 hits of acid and had a TERRIBLE time.

Sorry for the rambling :)

imail724
01-13-2020, 03:26 PM
Chris Connelly confirmed for the tour! (https://www.facebook.com/christopher.j.connelly.3/posts/10156964436040886)

bobbie solo
01-13-2020, 03:43 PM
This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.

ManBurning
01-13-2020, 03:48 PM
What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/83052409_10158168914947658_6078832115003162624_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQmPe1yhsPv0hcMS_67SIwiqj3WC_uW3R2mf24esqju 6thMqLiiMhU9I_TC8WVscdME&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&_nc_tp=1&oh=1e80ccfbd5c71cdc93ae58159e9e6dad&oe=5EA0C2C7

imail724
01-13-2020, 03:55 PM
This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.
Fingers crossed, but didn't they do a tour 2 years ago in celebration of 30 years of LORAH, but they still just played the new stuff with a few extra LORAH songs at the end? But I'm optimistic after last year's tours where they only played stuff from 92 and earlierand the fact that Chris is back.

SM Rollinger
01-13-2020, 03:55 PM
This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.

I just want to hear Burning Inside! They dint play it when there were here with Slayer last month :(

deadwinterskies
01-13-2020, 07:24 PM
Looks like I'll be seeing Ministry at the HOB Anaheim again.

Krazy
01-13-2020, 07:58 PM
DAMN! This is one good nostalgia trip- seen Ministry a couple times and KMFDM a few, and never left disappointed. FLA to boot!

Don’t think I’ll be able to make a show but have fun to those who can. Fuck.

Helpmeiaminhell
01-13-2020, 08:33 PM
Al finally recognizing how good his 80s discography is and giving these albums the love they deserve. I know he will never do With Symapthy stuff ever again but busting out a few Twitch songs can't hurt. Theres youtube video of him performing 'We Believe' as recently as 2003 so its not like he totally stopped playing those songs after the late 80s

Shadaloo
01-13-2020, 08:59 PM
What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.

I just came home to see this and my spirits soared for like 5 seconds before crashing to earth.

Not even fucking Toronto? Jesus. What is happening lately?

Krazy
01-13-2020, 09:08 PM
What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.




I just came home to see this and my spirits soared for like 5 seconds before crashing to earth.

Not even fucking Toronto? Jesus. What is happening lately?

This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like theimage13 can provide some insight.

SM Rollinger
01-13-2020, 09:34 PM
Al finally recognizing how good his 80s discography is and giving these albums the love they deserve. I know he will never do With Symapthy stuff ever again but busting out a few Twitch songs can't hurt. Theres youtube video of him performing 'We Believe' as recently as 2003 so its not like he totally stopped playing those songs after the late 80s

Yeah it was pretty awesome to hear Missing/Diety and finally Supernaut (after getting shafted at RIOTFEST, that would have been the perfect time to play it. But Trent couldn't be bothered to even give a New Order or Saul Williams cameo. Oh well, it was still awesome but I'm sure I'll always be slightly salty...)

Space Suicide
01-13-2020, 10:09 PM
And no North Carolina date. I'd so go to that. Fuck!

ManBurning
01-14-2020, 12:36 AM
This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like theimage13 can provide some insight.

I donno about that, because canada still gets the odd date attached to a US tour. But it's mainly been garbage pop acts that will tack on the odd Toronto or vancouver date. It just seems like we keep consistently getting the shaft. I mean, NIN skipped us on CB+I as well. I understand not coming out west, but the absence of even a Toronto date is concerning and unheard of.

I know that Sascha of KMFDM hates coming to Canada because he said the boarder always treats him like shit. Plus, the last time they were in Toronto the promoter stiffed them of their pay, so I'm sure those play a picture as to why he doesn't come here anymore, but this is Ministry's tour by the looks of it, and kmfdm are just guests. Doubt kmfdm have control over where they go on this one.

I mean, matchbox 20 and wallflowers are coming. Yay...
/sarcasm

Just seems like anything in the goth/metal/industrial scene doesn't come up here anymore for whatever reason that is. Or at least they're coming here less and less and less.

SM Rollinger
01-14-2020, 01:05 AM
ManBurning I feel your pain, Sioux falls usually gets crap like five finger death punch and imagine dragons, that's why I almost always have to travel. (We did get a string of good shows though, but that's few and far between)

ManBurning
01-14-2020, 02:37 AM
@ManBurning (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=33) I feel your pain, Sioux falls usually gets crap like five finger death punch and imagine dragons, that's why I almost always have to travel. (We did get a string of good shows though, but that's few and far between)

Yeah, I travel at least once if not twice a year for shows as well. I usually plan a huge outing once per year, which takes a huge bite out of the wallet, so it would be nice to recoup some and have bands come to me for once, but they never do. This year, we're doing Germany for the Wave Gothik Treffen Festival and then heading down to Switzerland for the Rammstein stadium show. This trip is gonna set my girlfriend and I back collectively around 10K. Sheesh... just thinking about it makes me want to cry, lol. Least KMFDM are gonna be at WGT this year, so that softens the blow a bit about this show not coming here. I know for a fact that Rammstein will never step a foot back into Vancouver again no matter what, so I know I need to travel to see them. They came here in 2012 to a half empty arena. The venue upgraded everyone in the upper bowl to lower bowl to try and pack the seats and make it look more busy, lol.

theimage13
01-14-2020, 06:13 AM
This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like @theimage13 (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=809) can provide some insight.

That could be it, or it could be part of the story at least. It is expensive and time-consuming to get through customs just once if you have any previous convictions for something as "minor" as a DUI. It can be done, and it often is (as should be obvious by the number of tours that cross the border). But sometimes it may be prohibitively expensive, or you may have someone within the band even who just says "you know what, fuck that, we're not going through the hassle just for one fuckin' show".

Typical border crossing goes something like this: your bus pulls up to the border, usually at a painfully early hour of the morning after having finished your last show. If everyone on the bus has a squeaky-clean record, there's a small chance that an agent will board, match up passports with faces, and let you head on through. More often, it's "everyone off the bus," you each speak with an agent individually, and if you're clean it's still nothing more than your basic "any weapons, massive piles of cash, etc", then as soon as a cursory drug / weapons sweep of the bus is done, you're back on and heading to the next city. But if there is even ONE person on your bus who's got a prior conviction, it gets more complicated. You basically carry a letter that says "people who cost lots of money have made sure that I'm legally allowed to come in here even though I've been arrested for something". Sometimes they read your letter, have a quick chat with you, and let you go. Sometimes it takes an hour or more. In one instance, we almost missed a show because a carpenter had the same name (down to the middle initial) and hometown as someone wanted for aggravated assault and they held him (and thus, the rest of the bus) for six or seven hours.

So with that in mind, think about the history of people in a band like Ministry, as well as probably some of the people who work for them. If there's not a major demand for multiple Canadian shows that can all be done in two crossings (one in, one out), there is a very good chance that they could do the shows, but just don't want to deal with the hassle. This is, of course, merely speculation.

chuckrh
01-14-2020, 08:51 AM
I read an interview with Al & it looks like they are even bringing the chain link fence across the front of the stage. Those were some insane shows back in the day.

SM Rollinger
01-14-2020, 08:56 AM
Yeah, I travel at least once if not twice a year for shows as well. I usually plan a huge outing once per year, which takes a huge bite out of the wallet, so it would be nice to recoup some and have bands come to me for once, but they never do. This year, we're doing Germany for the Wave Gothik Treffen Festival and then heading down to Switzerland for the Rammstein stadium show. This trip is gonna set my girlfriend and I back collectively around 10K. Sheesh... just thinking about it makes me want to cry, lol. Least KMFDM are gonna be at WGT this year, so that softens the blow a bit about this show not coming here. I know for a fact that Rammstein will never step a foot back into Vancouver again no matter what, so I know I need to travel to see them. They came here in 2012 to a half empty arena. The venue upgraded everyone in the upper bowl to lower bowl to try and pack the seats and make it look more busy, lol.

Yeah my local events center did that with Ghost a few months back. Pushed the stage forward too. Another manager i work with originally had seats right at the corner of the stage and ended up pretty far from it, I would be pissed off too but I had GA and was FOB so it didn't matter to me.

That's usually what happens here though, we get a string of shows that they have to close off the upper seats for and end up selling tickets for 20 bucks, then it's nothing for years and years. Why would a band want to play to that when they could go to Minneapolis or Lincoln and sell the place out and make double on merch? For use it boils down to being geographically in the middle of nowhere.

chuckrh
01-14-2020, 09:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siDbs2sLpJM

fillow
01-14-2020, 09:24 AM
I read an interview with Al & it looks like they are even bringing the chain link fence across the front of the stage. Those were some insane shows back in the day.
They had a fence as recently as on The Last Sucker tour, as seen on Adios DVD. Not sure about later tours.

SM Rollinger
01-14-2020, 11:07 AM
Blabbermouth presale code is STRENGTH for those who didn't feel like searching.

Got my tickets for the First Avenue show!


https://youtu.be/JJxAlTRLvJI

Demogorgon
01-14-2020, 11:20 AM
They had a fence as recently as on The Last Sucker tour, as seen on Adios DVD. Not sure about later tours.

When I saw them at the Agora in Cleveland for the C U Latour, they had the fence there as well. I remember Al hanging off of it most of the show.

SM Rollinger
01-14-2020, 11:33 AM
When I saw them at the Agora in Cleveland for the C U Latour, they had the fence there as well. I remember Al hanging off of it most of the show.

Lol at Al and all his "farewell" tours, I don't think he will ever retire for reals.

Demogorgon
01-14-2020, 11:39 AM
Yeah, I agree. I remember them making such a big deal about that being the real last tour, so i scrounged and saved thinking i'd never get the opportunity to see them again after that. Silly me.

snichols
01-14-2020, 12:04 PM
ok so i ordered my presale ticket via eventbright today at 10:03, just curious about what exactly this presale includes...is it just a GA ticket?

SM Rollinger
01-14-2020, 12:36 PM
ok so i ordered my presale ticket via eventbright today at 10:03, just curious about what exactly this presale includes...is it just a GA ticket?

The privilege of having your ticket before everyone else does?

otnavuskire
01-18-2020, 11:52 AM
Ministry's guitarist accused of underage sexual relations by two women. (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships)

virushopper
01-18-2020, 01:52 PM
Ministry's guitarist accused of underage sexual relations by two women. (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships)

Holy Tripp Eisen lol.

I hope Al calls Tommy Victor to be back in the band.


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Demogorgon
01-18-2020, 02:17 PM
By the sound of that article, there's all sorts of physical evidence; the emails, the texts, a lot of things to support the verbal claims. It doesn't look good for him, especially if his only defense is "well, they're all lying, ha ha it's a funny joke".

SM Rollinger
01-18-2020, 03:25 PM
Holy Tripp Eisen lol.


Yeah but Tripp was pretending to be an impersonator of himself (that alone is fucked up enough.)

Anyways, not cool! Sounds like he has a history of this sort of shit too.

burninglard
01-18-2020, 05:56 PM
Not just saying this because of the news on Sin. But I have never liked the guy. He has always set alarms off in interviews I have seen with him. He just always seemed kind of sketchy to me. That says a lot about a person when it involves a band like Ministry.

Piko
01-18-2020, 06:04 PM
I don't think it's as bad as Tripp. Tripp held one captive, didn't he. Not saying this isn't bad. But, Tripp took it to another level iirc.

I've heard stories that Sin is a pretty nice guy. Never been a fan though. His stage antics always came off kinda douchey. Not a fan of his tone and playing much either tbh.

NotoriousTIMP
01-18-2020, 07:48 PM
I don't think it's as bad as Tripp. Tripp held one captive, didn't he. Not saying this isn't bad. But, Tripp took it to another level iirc.

I've heard stories that Sin is a pretty nice guy. Never been a fan though. His stage antics always came off kinda douchey. Not a fan of his tone and playing much either tbh.

Sin threw a pick at my face last December when I was at the San Diego show all because I wasn’t jamming out to the more recent shit in their set list.

Arcspiral
01-19-2020, 11:51 AM
Connelly is out now. https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/ While it doesn't say that it's because of the Sin stuff, I can't imagine why else he would pull out. Totally gutted about this, as Chris was the main reason I bought a ticket for this. Al should just boot Sin and call anyone else. Shit, just keep Cesar and run tapes for the second guitar, but to lose Connelly over Sin??? Really stupid on Al's part.

SM Rollinger
01-19-2020, 02:05 PM
This sucks, at least the tour isn't for awhile, hopefully Al can get shit figured out.

edit the story was always that Paul left tool because he wanted to play guitar. Maybe move him over to that spot and bring the OTHER Paul back for bass duties?

NotoriousTIMP
01-19-2020, 03:18 PM
This sucks, at least the tour isn't for awhile, hopefully Al can get shit figured out.

edit the story was always that Paul left tool because he wanted to play guitar. Maybe move him over to that spot and bring the OTHER Paul back for bass duties?

FAT fucking chance of this happening but we all can dream, right?


*EDIT* So wait, Al hasn't kicked Sin out of the band yet?

imail724
01-19-2020, 05:17 PM
Damn that blows. Seeing Chris share the stage with Al last year was such a great experience and I was really looking forward to seeing it again.

imail724
01-20-2020, 09:26 AM
Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

SM Rollinger
01-20-2020, 09:46 AM
Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

Yeah something is up, I've been following the thread about the tour over on prongs and I won't even comment on the speculations, just check it out for yourself.

tricil
01-20-2020, 11:56 AM
Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

Connelly? it's still right here: https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/posts/10158254020353598

imail724
01-20-2020, 12:00 PM
Connelly? it's still right here: https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/posts/10158254020353598
That's his fan page, he used to have a personal page too. I've tagged him in a few pictures over the years and all the tags are gone, he even commented on one of my pictures from a Cocksure show and that's gone as well.

tricil
01-20-2020, 12:07 PM
I hope he's ok.

Helpmeiaminhell
01-20-2020, 01:21 PM
Between the shit with Ministrys guitar player and now Connelly, this tour is shaping up to be a total shitshow.....Fire Sin. Bring Barker back and right the ship Al

Shadaloo
01-20-2020, 05:07 PM
Amazing. I get people approaching me to take a road trip to the states for this, hype machine starts building, and then WHAM.

+1 to the chorus asking to ditch Sin and get Chris back.

Demogorgon
01-20-2020, 05:16 PM
I've never seen KMFDM or FLA so, i'm more going for them than Ministry, who I HAVE seen. Really would have liked to have seen Chris there with them though.

SM Rollinger
01-20-2020, 10:35 PM
I doubt Chris is coming back, sounds like he has skeletons in his closet too...

Helpmeiaminhell
01-21-2020, 12:11 AM
I get the feeling Al isn't going to kick Sin out. He seems to think he's such a great wonderful lovely guy who is integral to the Ministry sound (L.O.L.)....I just read some interview last week (probably taken before the allegations) where he was going on and on about how much he loves having Sin in the band......Shit, even Manson kicked Twiggy out after his allegations and Manson is as tone deaf as it gets lol.....Sin will be playing guitar whether people like it or not..I dont think Al gives a fuck....Only way he goes is if the members of KMFDM/FLA threaten to pull out of the tour or if these accusations and protests get larger and larger to the point Al can't ignore them anymore

bobbie solo
01-21-2020, 02:01 AM
as of 1/18, Spin reported Ministry's only response during the reporting was:


Al Jourgensen, frontman of Quirin‘s current band Ministry, was contacted by Spin in regards to the allegations and responded via the apparent same lawyer, Randolph Ortega, offering:
“Mr. Jourgenson (sic) is unaware of any of potential nefarious activity by any member of Ministry during their respective tenure(s) with the band including but not limited to Mr. Sin Quirin.”
Various other details regarding the allegations against Quirin, including exact details, commentary from other industry professionals, the emotional trauma suffered as a result and more can be found in Spin‘s exhaustive report over at Billboard.com (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships). Ministry do not yet appear to have publicly commented on the report.

Gotta do better than that at this point.

ManBurning
01-21-2020, 02:05 AM
Just going to leave these here:

https://i.imgur.com/YpFRbqw.png

https://i.imgur.com/hxAUYHp.png

Baphomette
01-21-2020, 02:32 AM
Lacey from the VH1 show Rock of Love??

Piko
01-21-2020, 02:41 AM
Ministry censoring fans? Nothing new there. That used to be an Angie thing. There's quite a few people who thinks it's bullshit and that Lacey chick is manipulative and stirring up trouble.

I'm not taking sides on this. But if Sin did this, accidental or not, he should just own up already. It's not like he can be prosecuted. Thats if this even true at all. See how it plays out.

Soma
01-21-2020, 03:25 AM
Fuck. This whole thing sucks, kinda taints my memory of finally seeing them last year. Sin was flicking his guitar picks at girls throughout the entire set (my gf included) so I totally believe that he would be such a scumbag. I'd like to join the choir of 'Please kick Sin to the curb'. It's not like he helped write any of the noteworthy records anyway.

ManBurning
01-21-2020, 04:21 AM
Lacey from the VH1 show Rock of Love??

I don't know who that is, but I think it's the same person. I just googled the name.

Googling Lacey Sculls brings up Lacey Conner with the following bio:

Born (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+born&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0RLLTrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5Vkn5RXmLWAVz EpNTKxWS8_PyUosUQGIAIhmD7DoAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAbegQID BAH): June 10, 1976 (age 43 years), Dallas, Texas, United States (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Dallas&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIAsdOMigq1xLKTrfQLUvMLclKBVFFxfp5V Un5R3iJWNpfEnJzE4h2sjAA20DrSPAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAbegQID BAI)

Spouse (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+spouse&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLITrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5VsUF-aXFqYtYhXMSk1MrFZLz8_JSixQgogBqujpnPgAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAcegQID BAL): Jonny Sculls (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Jonny+Sculls&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeLVT9c3NExJqSjJSYo315LITrbSL0jNL8hJ BVJFxfl5VsUF-aXFqYtYebzy8_IqFYKTS3NyinewMgIA5-qlo0kAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAcegQID BAM) (m. 2013)


Record label (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+record+label&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLNTrbSzy0tzkzWTywqySwusSpKTc4vSlHI SUxKzVnEKpmTmJxaqZCcn5eXWqSALAcAAcNk1kkAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAdegQID BAP): Triple X Records (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Triple+X+Records&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzjXPTKi3ytGSzk630c0uLM5P1E4tKMotL rIpSk_OLUhRyEpNScxaxCoQUZRbkpCpEKASBxYt3sDICAP8kUi BPAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAdegQID BAQ)


TV shows (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+tv+shows&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLKTrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5ViVlCsUZ-eXFi1hFcxKTUysVkvPz8lKLFGDiAM7qJFlCAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAeegQID BAT): Rock of Love with Bret Michaels (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Rock+of+Love+with+Bret+Michaels&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzjZNzCqoytKSyk630C1LzC3JSgVRRcX6e VUmZQnFGfnnxIlb5oPzkbIX8NAWf_LJUhfLMkgwFp6LUEgXfzO SMxNSc4h2sjAD82q8AWwAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAeegQID BAU)


Music groups (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+music+groups&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLJTrbSzy0tzkzWTy_KLy2Iz03NTUotsgJz FrFK5iQmp1YqJOfn5aUWKYDVKYCligHAuM-NSAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAfegQID BAX): Pigface (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Pigface&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIEsY3iTSsstWSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRazsAZnpaYnJqTtYGQEuyfPjRAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAfegQID BAY) (2003 – 2004), Lords of Acid (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Lords+of+Acid&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIEsQ3NsrPNtGSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRay8PvlFKcUK-WkKjsmZKTtYGQHwqMNlSgAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoAjAfegQID BAZ) (Since 2010), Nocturne (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Nocturne+(band)&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzDbONcpJNtGSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRaz8fvnJJaVFeakKGkmJeSmaO1gZAe8GHu9NAA AA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoAzAfegQID BAa) (1999 – 2008)




Here's her twitter. She's going off on Sin and Lucia here:

https://twitter.com/laceysculls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

versusreality
01-21-2020, 05:17 AM
should have dropped him immediately and brought him back if he's cleared. if they keep him, this will not make Ministry look good.

heck, scrap it and do a With Sympathy tour at this point!

Shadaloo
01-21-2020, 07:44 AM
The day anyone seeks input from KMFD-Fucking-M is a sad fucking day indeed.

SM Rollinger
02-07-2020, 10:27 AM
Seems like a good place for this...
http://www.coldwaves.net/images/CW9_lineups_website.jpg
http://www.coldwaves.net/

3 day passes are on sale, already bought mine since it's the weekend I have off from work. I've wanted to go to one of these for awhile now, glad I finally have the chance!