Ministry

[Halo Infinity]

Wow I'm late to the party on this one!

https://youtu.be/NBWSm3dQpvk

edit: this got me thinking, does anybody have the link to the Wendy's commercial from a few years ago that was obviously inspired by Work For Love?
I often find myself returning to that Shasta commercial as well. It actually reminds me as to why I sometimes prefer Al to sing more than scream. I also like how hearing "So So Cola" instantly reminded me of So So Life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6YE1BSR-M


https://youtu.be/6H9KgoiCdOY
I also missed this due to skipping to the latest page a lot, but it also reminded me of Walk in the Park.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVH1PjYgXQ

It just makes me wonder how his older material would sound with industrial metal/rock mixed into it. And as far as 1980s and 1990s Ministry go, I just find myself listening to With Sympathy, Twitch, Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon the most. I think it's also because I actually kept listening to The Land of Rape and Honey, The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste, Psalm 69, Houses of the Mole, Rio Grande Blood and The Last Sucker non-stop when I became a fan during the second half of the 2000s. This could also be why I still wished there would be more songs from anything but those 6 albums, even in spite of how they're still easily among my favorites.

I still somehow found Relapse and From Beer to Eternity to be fun listens though.

Every Day is Halloween and What's Wrong With Me? (Although that's a Buck Satan and the 666 Shooters song.) also seem to get more relatable with age. But that's also just me talking. :p

Speaking of which, I think that's also what has drawn me to Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon, as I find them to be very relatable albums.


(Some of the Bush Trilogy stuff is better than I remember too, like Let's Go? Damn that's a burner!)
A storm's a brewing! (It seemed like a good chance to post this too.) https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/images/smilies/wink.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nso3wgGQu3s

But for real. As a matter of fact, I always liked The Bush Trilogy, but I still agree that Ministry's set-lists are obviously/clearly so much better with more songs from outside of it as well. For some reason though, I actually found myself listening to Houses of the Mole and The Last Sucker more than Rio Grande Blood though, but then again, I also really enjoy Ass Clown and Khyber Pass.

[MrLobster]

So... there's this (https://www.instagram.com/p/B1N1q-fnZGK/?utm_source=ig_embed)...

[DVYDRNS]

I just can't anymore...

[armogi]

come on, hasselhoff + ministry has to be good

[MrLobster]

come on, hasselhoff + ministry has to be good

There is a proven track record of Ministry(and co-conspirators) doin' pretty good covers, so in that sense, I am curious.

[Halo Infinity]

I'm so thankful and happy to know that Al is finally coming to terms with With Sympathy. Albeit extremely at a gradual pace, but it's perhaps much better than having him loathe it and trash it more and more, decade by decade. Sometimes I also like to imagine how it would've turned out for Ministry if they also have the chance to perform at Woodstock 1994 without Al disowning With Sympathy. It's quite fun, at least to me imaging how the set-list could've gone, with Ministry beefing up With Sympathy and Twitch songs alongside The Land of Rape and Honey, The Mind is a Terrible Terrible Thing to Taste and Psalm 69.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MR8lMcT9-o

And as I've mentioned numerous times by now, I sometimes still can't get enough of With Sympathy, so it's a pleasant surprise every time I come across a review of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2sjCflMyXM

[versusreality]

Ministry in 81-82 (pre-WS) was raw and energetic. in fact some of it doesn't sound too dissimilar tempo and aggression wise from stuff he'd do 5 or 6 years later. so much synth awesomeness in this. even political lyrics that he's known for show up here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSiz-Gindkg&t=1505s

[Halo Infinity]

If only Ministry would perform America live again, especially after putting out an album that has AmeriKKKant as its title.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcp4kJCj2ns

It also seems like Just Like You and We Believe have also become even more relevant than before.

Anyway, I also wanted to say that I still think that it's pretty cool to see lots of early Ministry fans here. In real life, I think most fans I've met and seen were mostly fans of everything 1988 and up, or were also far more fixated with the post-Paul Barker eras.

[versusreality]

oh, I love the track America!! again, it just shows how his lyrics have always been politically conscious. it's so weird when I see comments on youtube saying "I'm not a fan of him anymore, how dare he bash Trump" and I'm like.."but he's been saying this type of stuff since 1981!!"

I have been on a big 84-87 period lately. Listened to Twitch/Live Toronto 86 a lot the past few days and was thinking the same thing..Just Like You, We Believe, Over the Shoulder, Isle of Man...more relevant now than ever! I recall having a conversation with Trent some years ago and he was saying Twitch was his favorite.

[Space Suicide]

Al disavowing anything pre Twitch is idiotic. All that material is awesome.

[imail724]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ministry-al-jourgensen-photo-book-everyday-halloween-886020/?fbclid=IwAR31o4qyG9y6SxJF5n1SqT86wpDc06rGzU9HGBPR qjLMNpr5e390qZkho80

https://www.melodicvirtue.com/collections/ministry

[SM Rollinger]

https://youtu.be/35ZBGOjSbh8

[Shadaloo]

So the Chicago 1982 LP from the Trax Box just got an extended CD re-release as Chicago/Detroit 1982 (https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-detroit-1982-Ministry/dp/B07VGTYMKY). A few new performances on there. According to the folks on Prongs, those last few tracks might be a little off pitch-wise.

I love "Le Stupide". :D

[Shadaloo]

https://youtu.be/dVKKuoGuxro

[Shadaloo]

According to the folks on Prongs, those last few tracks might be a little off pitch-wise.

Slight update is that that's from one of the old band members from that period who posts there. So the speed and pitch of the Detroit show is supposedly off "a half-semitone sharp and too fast by about 4%". I ran said tracks through Audacity's Change Speed function (which accounts for pitch as well), and they sound way better as a result. PM me if want :)

[Halo Infinity]

I really enjoyed how All Day turned out to be back in 1984. Dare I say, I even like this more than it turned out to be in 1986/1987.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mieL3FUXQbo

And I finally came across Toronto 1986, and Just Like You and Over The Shoulder also sounded so much better than I expected them to be. I enjoyed it so much, that I'd actually switch between Toronto 1986 and In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReddfRfZWtE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMNx-XdfIc

I was also pleasantly reminded and surprised that We Believe was actually performed in 2003.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1VL8g6kQU

All of this is actually making me miss the Piss Army forums, with Ministry fans being Pissants or whatnot, even if I never joined. And even if I was never around for it, in spite of how much I enjoyed 1990s and 2000s Ministry, I just can't and won't ever let go of 1980s Ministry. :)

[SM Rollinger]

Damn Al, it's about time!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/great-stage-park-manchester-tn-739daaad.html

I'm still salty about the lack of SUPERNAUT at Riotfest tho!!!

[imail724]

Damn Al, it's about time!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/great-stage-park-manchester-tn-739daaad.html

I'm still salty about the lack of SUPERNAUT at Riotfest tho!!!
Oh shit! I thought these kinds of sets were just for that little Industrial Accident tour! Hope he keeps it like this for the upcoming Slayer tour.

[Maximilian]

Uncle Al's Halloween treat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorKFQ50ZK0

[kas23]

Nice video and great song, but there’s definitely some cheese mixed in there. Al frantically playing around with the sound board controls and the lighter part. Perhaps the biggest lol moment is Al having to read the lyrics. This song has been in existence for about 35 years and Al still doesn’t know the words. I bet 95% of his concert going fans can sing this without a lyric sheet.

[SM Rollinger]

Nice video and great song, but there’s definitely some cheese mixed in there. Al frantically playing around with the sound board controls and the lighter part. Perhaps the biggest lol moment is Al having to read the lyrics. This song has been in existence for about 35 years and Al still doesn’t know the words. I bet 95% of his concert going fans can sing this without a lyric sheet.

I was on the rail for Ministry at the Rave Eagles Ballroom in 2003 and not only was everyone around me singing along with EVERY song (myself included), but we were shouting along with the damned SAMPLES too! Fucking awesome I can't believe they played Breathe!

edit: who else is seeing them with Slayer this month? Fucking hyped Al better bring the classics!

[imail724]

edit: who else is seeing them with Slayer this month? Fucking hyped Al better bring the classics!

Ill be at the NYC show. Unfortunately it looks like both Ministry and Primus will be doing less than an hour each

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191102/fa708a5ca3d85fea1ef5d4c39baa3c52.jpg

[imail724]

Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

[SM Rollinger]

Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

I haven't seen Burning Inside or Missing/Deity so I'm happy

edit: so is Primus from the looks of it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/primus/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-739d0eb5.html

[imail724]

I haven't seen Burning Inside or Missing/Deity so I'm happy

edit: so is Primus from the looks of it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/primus/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-739d0eb5.htmlPrimus has been teasing Nutbutter a bunch lately but haven't played it in full in forever. I'm praying this setlist is accurate and I'll finally get to hear it in full next week

[ziltoid]

Gonna see them tonight!
Those setlists for all the bands are fucking phenomenal it's gonna be a good time tonight!
I'm wondering what the tour poster looks like I might snag one along with some merch if they're available after the show ends.
VIP'ers get first dibs at the merch table but I ain't gonna pay $300 to see slayer with no guarantee of meeting Al or the others on top of paying for merch.

[imail724]

https://i.imgur.com/WxHQww3.jpg

[Soma]

Looks like Al's sticking with the classics this tour (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2019/exploreashevillecom-arena-asheville-nc-6b9d1696.html)

I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.

[ziltoid]

I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.


You won't be disappointed.
Even though their set is short it's the best setlist they've played in years imo.

Pics from last nights show including some of the merch.
I got a few videos too but I might upload them to YouTube seeing as I just learned that imgur doesn't have sound in the two videos I accidentally uploaded.
https://imgur.com/gallery/m7qcS03

[bobbie solo]

Pics from last nights show including some of the merch.
I got a few videos too but I might upload them to YouTube seeing as I just learned that imgur doesn't have sound in the two videos I accidentally uploaded.
https://imgur.com/gallery/m7qcS03

they selling any show specific or full tour prints/posters? Doubtful but I had to ask.

[ziltoid]

they selling any show specific or full tour prints/posters? Doubtful but I had to ask.


Aside from the ones they are given to the VIPer's the only one I saw was from Primus. It was $100 signed and around $40-$60 without signatures.
If there was other posters being sold I didn't see it with one caveat, VIP'ers also got a first chance at the merch tables and they could have sold out even before I got to the table.
I really want the Final Campaign Tour poster so I can frame it with my ticket :(.

[ManBurning]

Here's a full show from the recent tour opening for Slayer.
Dude, Al is 61 and he still has it. They sound tight.
When I think of the kings of Drugs and Alcohol, Al is usually someone that comes to mind, but this guy is 10 years older than Manson and in way better shape mentally and physically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImtjxeAkhQ

[Piko]

Here's a full show from the recent tour opening for Slayer.
Dude, Al is 61 and he still has it. They sound tight.
When I think of the kings of Drugs and Alcohol, Al is usually someone that comes to mind, but this guy is 10 years older than Manson and in way better shape mentally and physically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImtjxeAkhQ61, overcame a severe heroin addiction, alcoholism, etc. It's a miracle he's still even alive tbh. For him to be able keep going is just crazy. Manson needs help.

[SM Rollinger]

Anyone at the show tonight??

[SM Rollinger]

Guess not.

Ministry tape is in the bag, also taped Phil-tera too. Sandblasted Skin!! I'll get my tapes out tomorrow, I'm tired as hell and still have to get thru Slayer (not taping, sorry.)

[ManBurning]

Guess not.

Ministry tape is in the bag, also taped Phil-tera too. Sandblasted Skin!! I'll get my tapes out tomorrow, I'm tired as hell and still have to get thru Slayer (not taping, sorry.)

Wait, "C-market Sioux falls" actually got THAT show traveling through town?? Daaaamn. Lucky! That's one for the books.

[SM Rollinger]

Wait, "C-market Sioux falls" actually got THAT show traveling through town?? Daaaamn. Lucky! That's one for the books.

Fuck yeah. I've gotten lucky over the last few months, Satan has sent his messangers to my hometown. Manson/Zombie, Ghost and Slayer all since July! (too bad Manson was utter shite...)

[bobbie solo]

Keep it up and i'll label it a D market!!!!!

[SM Rollinger]

As usual, dl link for lossless files is pinned in the comments. Like everything else I have taped in this venue, the sound on this recording turned out perfect. FOB like I usually do, and the crowd behaved themselves too, so no screamers or other idiots. Enjoy.


https://youtu.be/HMPrTqYpAM4

[halo eighteen]

I plan on seeing them here in town on the 19th. It's an off-day without Slayer, Primus or Phil so I wonder what kinda set they'll pull out.

Setlist.fm has the Flint, MI show up where it was an off-show as well if you feel like being potentially spoiled.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

[MrLobster]

Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

I felt it was worth it, the demos sound like demos (including background hiss sometimes) but certainly aren't bad.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

just download it

[Senateguard33]

Is the Ministry 7 CD Trax Box worth it (bear in mind I don't care for RevCo)....Are those demos and unreleased songs from the With Sympathy/Twitch era good or are they just instrumentals/rough mixes?

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I feel that's Ministry's best era of work, so definitely worth it if you love that material. The demos and unreleased songs are fantastic and are just as good if not better than the songs on With Sympathy and Twitch. They are fully realized songs, and apart from some tape hiss, they sound like studio quality tracks.

They've reissued that box set, and last time I checked it's $50, not bad for the amount of content, plus the cool 12" record and book it comes with.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I feel that's Ministry's best era of work, so definitely worth it if you love that material. The demos and unreleased songs are fantastic and are just as good if not better than the songs on With Sympathy and Twitch. They are fully realized songs, and apart from some tape hiss, they sound like studio quality tracks.

They've reissued that box set, and last time I checked it's $50, not bad for the amount of content, plus the cool 12" record and book it comes with.


With Sympathy-Twitch era is my fav Ministry era for sure....Going to order this from Amazon...One can dream of the day Trent releases a 7 album box set of early NIN demos/alt mixes/unreleased songs

[Senateguard33]

One can dream of the day Trent releases a 7 album box set of early NIN demos/alt mixes/unreleased songs

My wallet will be ready when that day arrives.

[SM Rollinger]

Have any of the live backing videos ever surfaced online? Specifically the old one for N.W.O. with the riots and the dude with all the telephones and the religious symbols? The old one was much better than the current one.

(Like some of the skinny puppy and that fragility background videos available online)

[SM Rollinger]

I know this got shut down in the RHCP thread, but I wasn't familiar circumstances surrounding with River Phoenix's death, and upon some research, i noticed on his Wikipedia page this...


On the evening of October 30, 1993, Phoenix was to perform with the band P which featured his good friends Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, actor Johnny Depp, Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers along with Al Jourgensen of Ministry at The Viper Room, a Hollywood nightclub partly owned at the time by Depp.

Can't say I've ever heard Al being involved with this. Is this factual or just someone making shit up? (cuz that never happens on the internet)

[mfte]

I know this got shut down in the RHCP thread, but I wasn't familiar circumstances surrounding with River Phoenix's death, and upon some research, i noticed on his Wikipedia page this...



Can't say I've ever heard Al being involved with this. Is this factual or just someone making shit up? (cuz that never happens on the internet)

From the horse's mouth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-1be9GjRU

[SM Rollinger]

From the horse's mouth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-1be9GjRU

Thanks

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

I think Al was just hanging out that night. Don't think he was involved in the shenanigans. Based on the stuff I have read it sounds like half of young Hollywood was at the Viper Room that night (Christina Applegate, Keanu Reeves, etc etc) Viper Room in the early/mid 90s...Where the cool kids hang out....

[mfte]

Way to go Colombo!

[bixlee]

I decided to mashup I Wanted To Tell Her with Thieves because of course I did:
https://youtu.be/oIilHiDOYLk

[snichols]

Ministry just posted dates for summer tour with KMFDM and Front Line Assembly.

[SM Rollinger]

Ministry just posted dates for summer tour with KMFDM and Front Line Assembly.

07/01 Seattle, WA – The Showbox Sodo
07/02 Portland, OR – Roseland Theater
07/03 Missoula, MT – Wilma Theatre
07/05 Denver, CO – Ogden Theatre
07/07 Minneapolis, MN – First Avenue
07/09 Pittsburgh, PA – Stage AE
07/10 Detroit, MI – Royal Oak Music Theatre
07/11 Chicago, IL – Riviera Theatre
07/12 Niagara Falls, NY – Rapids Theatre
07/13 Cleveland, OH – Agora Theatre
07/15 Boston, MA – House of Blues
07/16 Huntington, NY – The Paramount
07/17 Montclair, NJ – The Wellmont
07/18 Philadelphia, PA – Franklin Music Hall
07/19 Baltimore, MD – Baltimore Soundstage
07/21 Atlanta, GA – Tabernacle
07/22 Orlando, FL – Hard Rock Live
07/24 Houston, TX – House of Blues
07/25 Dallas, TX – Gas Monkey Live!
07/26 San Antonio, TX – Aztec Theater
07/28 Albuquerque, NM – Sunshine Theater
07/29 Phoenix, AZ – The Van Buren
07/30 San Diego, CA – House of Blues
07/31 Anaheim, CA – House of Blues
08/01 San Francisco, CA – The Regency Ballroom

First Avenue? They opened for Culture Club there in 83 and there is a circulated in house video feed from the With Sympathy tour that was from there too. Fukk yeah!!! I haven't been to the cities since NIN '13 either, and the last time I was at this venue was Mastodon in the mid 00s and made the mistake of dropping 2 hits of acid and had a TERRIBLE time.

Sorry for the rambling :)

[imail724]

Chris Connelly confirmed for the tour! (https://www.facebook.com/christopher.j.connelly.3/posts/10156964436040886)

[bobbie solo]

This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.

[ManBurning]

What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/83052409_10158168914947658_6078832115003162624_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQmPe1yhsPv0hcMS_67SIwiqj3WC_uW3R2mf24esqju 6thMqLiiMhU9I_TC8WVscdME&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&_nc_tp=1&oh=1e80ccfbd5c71cdc93ae58159e9e6dad&oe=5EA0C2C7

[imail724]

This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.
Fingers crossed, but didn't they do a tour 2 years ago in celebration of 30 years of LORAH, but they still just played the new stuff with a few extra LORAH songs at the end? But I'm optimistic after last year's tours where they only played stuff from 92 and earlierand the fact that Chris is back.

[SM Rollinger]

This is a 30 year celebration tour of A Mind Is...

Nothing explicitly says they are playing the whole record or anything, but I'd imagine it will be the focus of the setlist.

I just want to hear Burning Inside! They dint play it when there were here with Slayer last month :(

[deadwinterskies]

Looks like I'll be seeing Ministry at the HOB Anaheim again.

[Krazy]

DAMN! This is one good nostalgia trip- seen Ministry a couple times and KMFDM a few, and never left disappointed. FLA to boot!

Don’t think I’ll be able to make a show but have fun to those who can. Fuck.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Al finally recognizing how good his 80s discography is and giving these albums the love they deserve. I know he will never do With Symapthy stuff ever again but busting out a few Twitch songs can't hurt. Theres youtube video of him performing 'We Believe' as recently as 2003 so its not like he totally stopped playing those songs after the late 80s

[Shadaloo]

What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.

I just came home to see this and my spirits soared for like 5 seconds before crashing to earth.

Not even fucking Toronto? Jesus. What is happening lately?

[Krazy]

What a fucking show man... And not a single fuckin' Canada date. I am so cheesed. Man. We get the shaft on EVERYTHING!
Starting to hate this country. If I could pack my bags and join ya'll in the USA, I would. You guys get it all.
This Canada thing is a joke. Pure joke. All we have is snow and 2 million dollar 500 sq ft 1 bedroom condos. Fuck this place.




I just came home to see this and my spirits soared for like 5 seconds before crashing to earth.

Not even fucking Toronto? Jesus. What is happening lately?

This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like theimage13 can provide some insight.

[SM Rollinger]

Al finally recognizing how good his 80s discography is and giving these albums the love they deserve. I know he will never do With Symapthy stuff ever again but busting out a few Twitch songs can't hurt. Theres youtube video of him performing 'We Believe' as recently as 2003 so its not like he totally stopped playing those songs after the late 80s

Yeah it was pretty awesome to hear Missing/Diety and finally Supernaut (after getting shafted at RIOTFEST, that would have been the perfect time to play it. But Trent couldn't be bothered to even give a New Order or Saul Williams cameo. Oh well, it was still awesome but I'm sure I'll always be slightly salty...)

[Space Suicide]

And no North Carolina date. I'd so go to that. Fuck!

[ManBurning]

This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like theimage13 can provide some insight.

I donno about that, because canada still gets the odd date attached to a US tour. But it's mainly been garbage pop acts that will tack on the odd Toronto or vancouver date. It just seems like we keep consistently getting the shaft. I mean, NIN skipped us on CB+I as well. I understand not coming out west, but the absence of even a Toronto date is concerning and unheard of.

I know that Sascha of KMFDM hates coming to Canada because he said the boarder always treats him like shit. Plus, the last time they were in Toronto the promoter stiffed them of their pay, so I'm sure those play a picture as to why he doesn't come here anymore, but this is Ministry's tour by the looks of it, and kmfdm are just guests. Doubt kmfdm have control over where they go on this one.

I mean, matchbox 20 and wallflowers are coming. Yay...
/sarcasm

Just seems like anything in the goth/metal/industrial scene doesn't come up here anymore for whatever reason that is. Or at least they're coming here less and less and less.

[SM Rollinger]

ManBurning I feel your pain, Sioux falls usually gets crap like five finger death punch and imagine dragons, that's why I almost always have to travel. (We did get a string of good shows though, but that's few and far between)

[ManBurning]

@ManBurning (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=33) I feel your pain, Sioux falls usually gets crap like five finger death punch and imagine dragons, that's why I almost always have to travel. (We did get a string of good shows though, but that's few and far between)

Yeah, I travel at least once if not twice a year for shows as well. I usually plan a huge outing once per year, which takes a huge bite out of the wallet, so it would be nice to recoup some and have bands come to me for once, but they never do. This year, we're doing Germany for the Wave Gothik Treffen Festival and then heading down to Switzerland for the Rammstein stadium show. This trip is gonna set my girlfriend and I back collectively around 10K. Sheesh... just thinking about it makes me want to cry, lol. Least KMFDM are gonna be at WGT this year, so that softens the blow a bit about this show not coming here. I know for a fact that Rammstein will never step a foot back into Vancouver again no matter what, so I know I need to travel to see them. They came here in 2012 to a half empty arena. The venue upgraded everyone in the upper bowl to lower bowl to try and pack the seats and make it look more busy, lol.

[theimage13]

This is just me speculating, but I’d imagine going through customs and an possibly traveling internationally is a pain in the ass for doing paperwork and taxes and what not. Maybe someone in the industry like @theimage13 (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=809) can provide some insight.

That could be it, or it could be part of the story at least. It is expensive and time-consuming to get through customs just once if you have any previous convictions for something as "minor" as a DUI. It can be done, and it often is (as should be obvious by the number of tours that cross the border). But sometimes it may be prohibitively expensive, or you may have someone within the band even who just says "you know what, fuck that, we're not going through the hassle just for one fuckin' show".

Typical border crossing goes something like this: your bus pulls up to the border, usually at a painfully early hour of the morning after having finished your last show. If everyone on the bus has a squeaky-clean record, there's a small chance that an agent will board, match up passports with faces, and let you head on through. More often, it's "everyone off the bus," you each speak with an agent individually, and if you're clean it's still nothing more than your basic "any weapons, massive piles of cash, etc", then as soon as a cursory drug / weapons sweep of the bus is done, you're back on and heading to the next city. But if there is even ONE person on your bus who's got a prior conviction, it gets more complicated. You basically carry a letter that says "people who cost lots of money have made sure that I'm legally allowed to come in here even though I've been arrested for something". Sometimes they read your letter, have a quick chat with you, and let you go. Sometimes it takes an hour or more. In one instance, we almost missed a show because a carpenter had the same name (down to the middle initial) and hometown as someone wanted for aggravated assault and they held him (and thus, the rest of the bus) for six or seven hours.

So with that in mind, think about the history of people in a band like Ministry, as well as probably some of the people who work for them. If there's not a major demand for multiple Canadian shows that can all be done in two crossings (one in, one out), there is a very good chance that they could do the shows, but just don't want to deal with the hassle. This is, of course, merely speculation.

[chuckrh]

I read an interview with Al & it looks like they are even bringing the chain link fence across the front of the stage. Those were some insane shows back in the day.

[SM Rollinger]

Yeah, I travel at least once if not twice a year for shows as well. I usually plan a huge outing once per year, which takes a huge bite out of the wallet, so it would be nice to recoup some and have bands come to me for once, but they never do. This year, we're doing Germany for the Wave Gothik Treffen Festival and then heading down to Switzerland for the Rammstein stadium show. This trip is gonna set my girlfriend and I back collectively around 10K. Sheesh... just thinking about it makes me want to cry, lol. Least KMFDM are gonna be at WGT this year, so that softens the blow a bit about this show not coming here. I know for a fact that Rammstein will never step a foot back into Vancouver again no matter what, so I know I need to travel to see them. They came here in 2012 to a half empty arena. The venue upgraded everyone in the upper bowl to lower bowl to try and pack the seats and make it look more busy, lol.

Yeah my local events center did that with Ghost a few months back. Pushed the stage forward too. Another manager i work with originally had seats right at the corner of the stage and ended up pretty far from it, I would be pissed off too but I had GA and was FOB so it didn't matter to me.

That's usually what happens here though, we get a string of shows that they have to close off the upper seats for and end up selling tickets for 20 bucks, then it's nothing for years and years. Why would a band want to play to that when they could go to Minneapolis or Lincoln and sell the place out and make double on merch? For use it boils down to being geographically in the middle of nowhere.

[chuckrh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siDbs2sLpJM

[fillow]

I read an interview with Al & it looks like they are even bringing the chain link fence across the front of the stage. Those were some insane shows back in the day.
They had a fence as recently as on The Last Sucker tour, as seen on Adios DVD. Not sure about later tours.

[SM Rollinger]

Blabbermouth presale code is STRENGTH for those who didn't feel like searching.

Got my tickets for the First Avenue show!


https://youtu.be/JJxAlTRLvJI

[Demogorgon]

They had a fence as recently as on The Last Sucker tour, as seen on Adios DVD. Not sure about later tours.

When I saw them at the Agora in Cleveland for the C U Latour, they had the fence there as well. I remember Al hanging off of it most of the show.

[SM Rollinger]

When I saw them at the Agora in Cleveland for the C U Latour, they had the fence there as well. I remember Al hanging off of it most of the show.

Lol at Al and all his "farewell" tours, I don't think he will ever retire for reals.

[Demogorgon]

Yeah, I agree. I remember them making such a big deal about that being the real last tour, so i scrounged and saved thinking i'd never get the opportunity to see them again after that. Silly me.

[snichols]

ok so i ordered my presale ticket via eventbright today at 10:03, just curious about what exactly this presale includes...is it just a GA ticket?

[SM Rollinger]

ok so i ordered my presale ticket via eventbright today at 10:03, just curious about what exactly this presale includes...is it just a GA ticket?

The privilege of having your ticket before everyone else does?

[otnavuskire]

Ministry's guitarist accused of underage sexual relations by two women. (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships)

[virushopper]

Ministry's guitarist accused of underage sexual relations by two women. (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships)

Holy Tripp Eisen lol.

I hope Al calls Tommy Victor to be back in the band.


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[Demogorgon]

By the sound of that article, there's all sorts of physical evidence; the emails, the texts, a lot of things to support the verbal claims. It doesn't look good for him, especially if his only defense is "well, they're all lying, ha ha it's a funny joke".

[SM Rollinger]

Holy Tripp Eisen lol.


Yeah but Tripp was pretending to be an impersonator of himself (that alone is fucked up enough.)

Anyways, not cool! Sounds like he has a history of this sort of shit too.

[burninglard]

Not just saying this because of the news on Sin. But I have never liked the guy. He has always set alarms off in interviews I have seen with him. He just always seemed kind of sketchy to me. That says a lot about a person when it involves a band like Ministry.

[Piko]

I don't think it's as bad as Tripp. Tripp held one captive, didn't he. Not saying this isn't bad. But, Tripp took it to another level iirc.

I've heard stories that Sin is a pretty nice guy. Never been a fan though. His stage antics always came off kinda douchey. Not a fan of his tone and playing much either tbh.

[NotoriousTIMP]

I don't think it's as bad as Tripp. Tripp held one captive, didn't he. Not saying this isn't bad. But, Tripp took it to another level iirc.

I've heard stories that Sin is a pretty nice guy. Never been a fan though. His stage antics always came off kinda douchey. Not a fan of his tone and playing much either tbh.

Sin threw a pick at my face last December when I was at the San Diego show all because I wasn’t jamming out to the more recent shit in their set list.

[Arcspiral]

Connelly is out now. https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/ While it doesn't say that it's because of the Sin stuff, I can't imagine why else he would pull out. Totally gutted about this, as Chris was the main reason I bought a ticket for this. Al should just boot Sin and call anyone else. Shit, just keep Cesar and run tapes for the second guitar, but to lose Connelly over Sin??? Really stupid on Al's part.

[SM Rollinger]

This sucks, at least the tour isn't for awhile, hopefully Al can get shit figured out.

edit the story was always that Paul left tool because he wanted to play guitar. Maybe move him over to that spot and bring the OTHER Paul back for bass duties?

[NotoriousTIMP]

This sucks, at least the tour isn't for awhile, hopefully Al can get shit figured out.

edit the story was always that Paul left tool because he wanted to play guitar. Maybe move him over to that spot and bring the OTHER Paul back for bass duties?

FAT fucking chance of this happening but we all can dream, right?


*EDIT* So wait, Al hasn't kicked Sin out of the band yet?

[imail724]

Damn that blows. Seeing Chris share the stage with Al last year was such a great experience and I was really looking forward to seeing it again.

[imail724]

Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

[SM Rollinger]

Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

Yeah something is up, I've been following the thread about the tour over on prongs and I won't even comment on the speculations, just check it out for yourself.

[tricil]

Chris's Facebook and Instagram pages have both now disappeared...

Connelly? it's still right here: https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/posts/10158254020353598

[imail724]

Connelly? it's still right here: https://www.facebook.com/ChrisConnellyOfficial/posts/10158254020353598
That's his fan page, he used to have a personal page too. I've tagged him in a few pictures over the years and all the tags are gone, he even commented on one of my pictures from a Cocksure show and that's gone as well.

[tricil]

I hope he's ok.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Between the shit with Ministrys guitar player and now Connelly, this tour is shaping up to be a total shitshow.....Fire Sin. Bring Barker back and right the ship Al

[Shadaloo]

Amazing. I get people approaching me to take a road trip to the states for this, hype machine starts building, and then WHAM.

+1 to the chorus asking to ditch Sin and get Chris back.

[Demogorgon]

I've never seen KMFDM or FLA so, i'm more going for them than Ministry, who I HAVE seen. Really would have liked to have seen Chris there with them though.

[SM Rollinger]

I doubt Chris is coming back, sounds like he has skeletons in his closet too...

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

I get the feeling Al isn't going to kick Sin out. He seems to think he's such a great wonderful lovely guy who is integral to the Ministry sound (L.O.L.)....I just read some interview last week (probably taken before the allegations) where he was going on and on about how much he loves having Sin in the band......Shit, even Manson kicked Twiggy out after his allegations and Manson is as tone deaf as it gets lol.....Sin will be playing guitar whether people like it or not..I dont think Al gives a fuck....Only way he goes is if the members of KMFDM/FLA threaten to pull out of the tour or if these accusations and protests get larger and larger to the point Al can't ignore them anymore

[bobbie solo]

as of 1/18, Spin reported Ministry's only response during the reporting was:


Al Jourgensen, frontman of Quirin‘s current band Ministry, was contacted by Spin in regards to the allegations and responded via the apparent same lawyer, Randolph Ortega, offering:
“Mr. Jourgenson (sic) is unaware of any of potential nefarious activity by any member of Ministry during their respective tenure(s) with the band including but not limited to Mr. Sin Quirin.”
Various other details regarding the allegations against Quirin, including exact details, commentary from other industry professionals, the emotional trauma suffered as a result and more can be found in Spin‘s exhaustive report over at Billboard.com (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8548353/ministry-guitarist-sin-quirin-accused-underage-sexual-relationships). Ministry do not yet appear to have publicly commented on the report.

Gotta do better than that at this point.

[ManBurning]

Just going to leave these here:

https://i.imgur.com/YpFRbqw.png

https://i.imgur.com/hxAUYHp.png

[Baphomette]

Lacey from the VH1 show Rock of Love??

[Piko]

Ministry censoring fans? Nothing new there. That used to be an Angie thing. There's quite a few people who thinks it's bullshit and that Lacey chick is manipulative and stirring up trouble.

I'm not taking sides on this. But if Sin did this, accidental or not, he should just own up already. It's not like he can be prosecuted. Thats if this even true at all. See how it plays out.

[Soma]

Fuck. This whole thing sucks, kinda taints my memory of finally seeing them last year. Sin was flicking his guitar picks at girls throughout the entire set (my gf included) so I totally believe that he would be such a scumbag. I'd like to join the choir of 'Please kick Sin to the curb'. It's not like he helped write any of the noteworthy records anyway.

[ManBurning]

Lacey from the VH1 show Rock of Love??

I don't know who that is, but I think it's the same person. I just googled the name.

Googling Lacey Sculls brings up Lacey Conner with the following bio:

Born (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+born&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0RLLTrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5Vkn5RXmLWAVz EpNTKxWS8_PyUosUQGIAIhmD7DoAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAbegQID BAH): June 10, 1976 (age 43 years), Dallas, Texas, United States (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Dallas&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIAsdOMigq1xLKTrfQLUvMLclKBVFFxfp5V Un5R3iJWNpfEnJzE4h2sjAA20DrSPAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAbegQID BAI)

Spouse (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+spouse&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLITrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5VsUF-aXFqYtYhXMSk1MrFZLz8_JSixQgogBqujpnPgAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAcegQID BAL): Jonny Sculls (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Jonny+Sculls&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeLVT9c3NExJqSjJSYo315LITrbSL0jNL8hJ BVJFxfl5VsUF-aXFqYtYebzy8_IqFYKTS3NyinewMgIA5-qlo0kAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAcegQID BAM) (m. 2013)


Record label (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+record+label&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLNTrbSzy0tzkzWTywqySwusSpKTc4vSlHI SUxKzVnEKpmTmJxaqZCcn5eXWqSALAcAAcNk1kkAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAdegQID BAP): Triple X Records (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Triple+X+Records&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzjXPTKi3ytGSzk630c0uLM5P1E4tKMotL rIpSk_OLUhRyEpNScxaxCoQUZRbkpCpEKASBxYt3sDICAP8kUi BPAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAdegQID BAQ)


TV shows (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+tv+shows&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLKTrbSL0jNL8hJBVJFxfl5ViVlCsUZ-eXFi1hFcxKTUysVkvPz8lKLFGDiAM7qJFlCAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAeegQID BAT): Rock of Love with Bret Michaels (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Rock+of+Love+with+Bret+Michaels&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzjZNzCqoytKSyk630C1LzC3JSgVRRcX6e VUmZQnFGfnnxIlb5oPzkbIX8NAWf_LJUhfLMkgwFp6LUEgXfzO SMxNSc4h2sjAD82q8AWwAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAeegQID BAU)


Music groups (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lacey+conner+music+groups&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_O0ZLJTrbSzy0tzkzWTy_KLy2Iz03NTUotsgJz FrFK5iQmp1YqJOfn5aUWKYDVKYCligHAuM-NSAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58Q6BMoADAfegQID BAX): Pigface (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Pigface&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIEsY3iTSsstWSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRazsAZnpaYnJqTtYGQEuyfPjRAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoATAfegQID BAY) (2003 – 2004), Lords of Acid (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Lords+of+Acid&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUeIEsQ3NsrPNtGSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRay8PvlFKcUK-WkKjsmZKTtYGQHwqMNlSgAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoAjAfegQID BAZ) (Since 2010), Nocturne (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Nocturne+(band)&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3MEkvK8_OUQKzDbONcpJNtGSyk630c0uLM5P104vySwvi c1Nzk1KLrMCcRaz8fvnJJaVFeakKGkmJeSmaO1gZAe8GHu9NAA AA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGot7HrpTnAhWHhJ4KHW9zD58QmxMoAzAfegQID BAa) (1999 – 2008)




Here's her twitter. She's going off on Sin and Lucia here:

https://twitter.com/laceysculls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[versusreality]

should have dropped him immediately and brought him back if he's cleared. if they keep him, this will not make Ministry look good.

heck, scrap it and do a With Sympathy tour at this point!

[Shadaloo]

The day anyone seeks input from KMFD-Fucking-M is a sad fucking day indeed.

[SM Rollinger]

Seems like a good place for this...
http://www.coldwaves.net/images/CW9_lineups_website.jpg
http://www.coldwaves.net/

3 day passes are on sale, already bought mine since it's the weekend I have off from work. I've wanted to go to one of these for awhile now, glad I finally have the chance!

[ViN]

I know the KMFDM and King Crimson threads already got bumped with the news, but RIP Bill Rieflin

Monster drumming from him on their best albums.

[Piko]

It's amazing how he was around during the prime years of two of the major industrial bands. He was a legend.

[SM Rollinger]

Bummer deal, never gonna get that book club reunion now. :(

[Patrick_Nicholas]

Ministry will be working on a new album while in quarantine.
https://twitter.com/WeAreMinistry/status/1243556704173916163

[imail724]

Complete Ministry discography playlist has been uploaded to Spotify. (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2PJg3gFmdu4CbdnqFMk4eB) And it actually includes With Sympathy, believe it or not.

[imail724]

Something's happening in 4 days. (http://ministryband.com)

[roolfdriht]

Something's happening in 4 days. (http://ministryband.com)

Maybe they’re finally going to announce the tour is cancelled.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

In 4 days maybe Al can fire the rapist he has as a guitar player who he is bffs with....My guess is they will just announce a new album. Considering he has been dropping shitbombs on a regular basis ever since Barker left, this brings me no excitement. If he finds an albums worth of B sides from Land of Rape and Honey/Mind is a Terrible Thing To Taste....Then I will get excited

[tricil]

the countdown is to Midnight EST Friday. Definitely something new unfortunately.

[implanted_microchip]

Al’s on the new Bill Burr podcast saying he has a new single out Friday so there you go.

[kaydraven]

I'm not sure how excited I can really get about new Ministry music considering I hated their last album. I'll check it out nonetheless.

[Piko]

Last couple albums were ok. Hoping, he might be more inspired to go back to his industrial style since he's been embracing that more. Probably won't happen.

[Maximilian]

I thought the last album was the best thing they've done since Houses of the Mole, but I guess a lot of people didn't like it. Hmmm

[imail724]

I thought the last album was the best thing they've done since Houses of the Mole, but I guess a lot of people didn't like it. HmmmI agree about it being the best since Mole (which I love), but that's just because everything in between has been pretty shitty. Hopefully this new one builds on the good aspects of the last one and is even better.

[MrLobster]

I liked AmeriKKKant, would have fit in nicely in the 90s...

[Jinsai]

Has Al even addressed the allegations against Sin?

[tricil]

Has Al even addressed the allegations against Sin?

Not a word.

[fillow]

AmeriKKKant was the best record since.. uh... The Last Sucker. Not a high bar to beat.

What if... they announce that Paul is back? They're good now, and we've seen more improbable reunions happening in recent years

[Lerxto]

New song, Alert Level (Quarantined Mix)

[Maximilian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=dru8rsZJDVM&feature=emb_lo go

[bobbie solo]

I like it? It's not thrash/speed metal. It sounds like Ministry should sound, right?

[kaydraven]

I like it too. It doesn't hit me the same way as their other songs do, but it still sounds good. I'm actually interested in it whereas their last few records I just did not care.

[henryeatscereal]

Good song, i was expecting so much worse

[Shadaloo]

I'm in the boat that maintains Amerikkkant was a massive step up from anything since Houses. At this point I'm not expecting Al to reinvent the wheel or anything, just hoping he puts out the dirty, heavy industrial rock he does best. This delivers, hope it's reflective of the new album.

[imail724]

New Cocksure EP - Operation C​.​O​.​C​.​K​.​S​.​U​.​R​.​E. out now! (https://cocksure.bandcamp.com)

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/WeAreMinistry/status/1259744346687057920

[SM Rollinger]

https://twitter.com/WeAreMinistry/status/1259744346687057920

No fucking way Al you are such a tease!!?

[Piko]

Acknowledging With Sympathy? Weird times, indeed.

[Demogorgon]

Got an email yesterday from my ticket provider that this tour is postponed. None too happy about it.

[tricil]

Postponed to March/April. New dates below.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200520/73e8d2d942fca77ac299f67f7f56c3ea.jpg

[SM Rollinger]

Never got an email about the postponement, thanks tho. I saw this one coming.

[imail724]

Enter to win a signed copy of the new Ministry book while supporting independent music venues! (https://www.melodicvirtue.com/products/ministry-prescripture-deluxe-edition-666-raffle?fbclid=IwAR0pXpp8bu7nfsYkw2ov_9rxGP3eD8dH8V 19t2En-BG6ZmeQ_v_4zDr9i7g)

[MrLobster]

Every Day Is Halloween Greatest Tricks (https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/every-day-is-halloween-greatest-tricks)

(grabbed an orange one for myself... I kinda like having the Co-Conspirators stuff on vinyl...)

[muad'nin]

I’m late to the party, but as I work my way through Ministry’s back catalogue in a non-linear, haphazard fashion, I’ve recently begun listening to Twitch. My goodness, I can hear how Trent found this to be such an inspiration; Sherwood and LeBlanc’s fingerprints are all over this thing like they are on PHM. It’s like nothing else that I’ve heard in their catalogue, so far.

And tonight I stumbled on this era-relevant gem -

https://youtu.be/eBQay8SYPhU

[MrLobster]

Sherwood and LeBlanc’s fingerprints are all over this thing

There's a good story in the WaxTrax! doc about Sherwood (although maybe it's hiding in the special features) and Al and a certain trade...

[fillow]

I’m late to the party, but as I work my way through Ministry’s back catalogue in a non-linear, haphazard fashion, I’ve recently begun listening to Twitch. My goodness, I can hear how Trent found this to be such an inspiration; Sherwood and LeBlanc’s fingerprints are all over this thing like they are on PHM. It’s like nothing else that I’ve heard in their catalogue, so far.

If you enjoy this era of Ministry, then the first two albums by Tackhead is a must to listen to. As well first two solo records by LeBlanc.

[imail724]

If you enjoy this era of Ministry, then the first two albums by Tackhead is a must to listen to. As well first two solo records by LeBlanc.
Never heard of them before, but in looking them up I found this which looks... familiar:

https://ptpimg.me/5s2i0v.jpg

[muad'nin]

There's a good story in the WaxTrax! doc about Sherwood (although maybe it's hiding in the special features) and Al and a certain trade...

Jaysus! How did I not know that this documentary existed!?!

[muad'nin]

A reminder -


https://youtu.be/mOD5pxdZiyo

[muad'nin]

And another.


https://youtu.be/mOD5pxdZiyo

[Shadaloo]

The holder of that account claims to be sitting on the whole show, which includes a performance of "Do You Even Like It?" of which no good recordings have surfaced, and it drives me nuts

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/WeAreMinistry/status/1315185363489611778

*listens to it again*

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/waxtraxchicago/status/1318221977379799042

[jmtd]

I see two empty posts there. Broken embed I guess

[Krazy]

I see two empty posts there. Broken embed I guess

Working for me. Looks like you’re in the UK- regional thing, perhaps?...

[eversonpoe]

I see two empty posts there. Broken embed I guess

try hitting refresh. sometimes twitter embeds behave oddly on the forum.

[Senateguard33]

The holder of that account claims to be sitting on the whole show, which includes a performance of "Do You Even Like It?" of which no good recordings have surfaced, and it drives me nuts

I've been periodically nudging him. Last I heard he was holding until after Industrial Accident was released...and here we are.

Those videos definitely have the best sound quality so far any of the 84 live recordings.

In the meantime, here's a Twitch outtake that just got released, which leaves about a dozen songs (pre-Twitch) in the unreleased status.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6XiV4ZhkO8&ab_channel=Ministry-Topic

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Great fucking song. Makes you remember how good Al used to be before drugs fried his brain

[imail724]

Has the rest of that "Lost Mixes" release been posted yet? I just see Playground above:

https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/everyday-is-halloween-the-lost-mixes

[Reaps]

Playground is indeed fucking awesome, hit's me at the right time since i've been on a recent early Ministry kick. Buying this for sure.

Any reason why the likes of Twitch, Land and Mind etc have not been remastered yet?

[ziltoid]

Playground is indeed fucking awesome, hit's me at the right time since i've been on a recent early Ministry kick. Buying this for sure.

Any reason why the likes of Twitch, Land and Mind etc have not been remastered yet?

My guess is probably rights issues getting cleared or maybe finding the masters to make remasters.

[Senateguard33]

Has the rest of that "Lost Mixes" release been posted yet? I just see Playground above:

https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/everyday-is-halloween-the-lost-mixes

That's just the highlighted track, if you use the back/forward buttons you can hear the rest of the songs. If you buy the digital album it will come with all 4 songs.

[Senateguard33]

Playground is indeed fucking awesome, hit's me at the right time since i've been on a recent early Ministry kick. Buying this for sure.

Any reason why the likes of Twitch, Land and Mind etc have not been remastered yet?

Probably because Sire doesn't want to invest in it.

Maybe Cleo will work out a licensing deal. Would love to see remasters and unreleased stuff from that era.

There's a second version of The Angel that has a LORAH type sound, that still has yet to see the light of day.

[imail724]

Just stumbled across this Big Sexy Land 2LP reissue from Poland (https://mecanica.bigcartel.com/product/revcobigsexyland). Seems odd it was only released in Poland, but I had to jump on it as I've been looking around for a nice copy of this forever. Plus it includes all the b-sides and remixes from the CD release. My first thought was bootleg, but I checked the discogs listing and they explicitly state it is was officially licensed by Cleopatra.

[Senateguard33]

Just stumbled across this Big Sexy Land 2LP reissue from Poland (https://mecanica.bigcartel.com/product/revcobigsexyland). Seems odd it was only released in Poland, but I had to jump on it as I've been looking around for a nice copy of this forever. Plus it includes all the b-sides and remixes from the CD release. My first thought was bootleg, but I checked the discogs listing and they explicitly state it is was officially licensed by Cleopatra.

Yep, 100% official. Mechanica/Cleo also put out releases for the Acid Horse 12" and the Pailhead EP. All are fantastic sounding and well put together. Not sure why they're Poland only though.

[imail724]

Yep, 100% official. Mechanica/Cleo also put out releases for the Acid Horse 12" and the Pailhead EP. All are fantastic sounding and well put together. Not sure why they're Poland only though.
Yeah I thought about grabbing that Pailhead too. Maybe down the line I'll scoop it up.

[imail724]

Paul's been teasing new Lead Into Gold on his Instagram the past week or two (https://instagram.com/leadintogold?igshid=chki6nkz574u)

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/TheRNRproject/status/1363890948443410439

[fillow]

^^
Wait, he answers like 5 simple questions there that the "story we WANT to read"? Talk about clickbait titles

[DVYDRNS]

Any chance anyone has the DVD Audio version of Animositisomina?

was just made aware that this exists... that means theoretically... we could pull some multi tracks out of this? might be fun to remaster it.

[innerturmoil]

Any chance anyone has the DVD Audio version of Animositisomina?

was just made aware that this exists... that means theoretically... we could pull some multi tracks out of this? might be fun to remaster it.
I've got the dual disc, which if i remember correctly has the same content....will dig it out...

[DVYDRNS]

nice.

[imail724]

Tour postponed to October with Helmet replacing KMFDM on the lineup. Was already pretty bummed when Connelly dropped out, and now KMFDM too. No interest in seeing Helmet or FLA. Anyway, new tour dates:


October 2021
03 Albuquerque, NM @ Sunshine Theater
04 Denver, CO @ Ogden Theatre
06 Minneapolis, MN @ First Avenue
08 Buffalo, NY @ Buffalo Riverworks**
09 Cleveland, OH @ Agora Theatre
10 Chicago, IL @ Riviera Theatre
11 Detroit, MI @ Royal Oak Music Theatre
14 Boston, MA @ House of Blues
15 Huntington, NY @ The Paramount
16 Montclair, NJ @ Wellmont Theatre
17 Philadelphia, PA @ Franklin Music Hall
19 Atlanta, GA @ Tabernacle
20 Charlotte, NC @ The Fillmore*
21 Orlando, FL @ Hard Rock Live
23 Dallas, TX @ Gas Monkey Live!***
24 Houston, TX @ House of Blues
25 San Antonio, TX @ Aztec Theater
28 Phoenix, AZ @ The Van Buren
29 Anaheim, CA @ House of Blues
30 San Diego, CA @ House of Blues
31 San Francisco, CA @ The Warfield Theatre
November 2021
02 Portland, OR @ Roseland Theater
03 Seattle, WA @ Showbox Sodo

[halo eighteen]

Tour postponement, again to Oct/Nov 2021. Also KMFDM being replaced by Helmet. Missoula and Pittsburgh are canceled, Buffalo venue change and Baltimore is TBA later date.

*edit - oops beat to it :D*

[imail724]

Was really hoping this announcement was going to say Connelly was back in and he only dropped out originally because of scheduling conflicts. I wonder what the real reason was that he dropped out.

[Mutilated]

Was really hoping this announcement was going to say Connelly was back in and he only dropped out originally because of scheduling conflicts. I wonder what the real reason was that he dropped out.


Surely everyone knows the real reason??

He bailed because of the allegations against Sin Q and Al refused to even address said allegations.

[Arcspiral]

He bailed because of the allegations against Sin Q and Al refused to even address said allegations.

Did anything ever end up happening with that? I know that Cesar was doing those riff videos for Ministry for a while, but there was never a peep from Al about this.

I'm certainly hoping that Connelly is a part of it and Sin is out. That would be the best outcome for sure. I am sad that KMFDM won't be part of it anymore, but I'm not upset about Helmet either. I saw them a few years back and it was a great show. Probably one of the loudest shows I've ever seen, so with Ministry too earplugs are gonna be necessary.

[armogi]

Well shit, I have a show to go to now, has been a while since this happened!

[wizfan]

Any chance anyone has the DVD Audio version of Animositisomina?

was just made aware that this exists... that means theoretically... we could pull some multi tracks out of this? might be fun to remaster it.

I have a rip of it. You can get super clean Paul Barker bass tracks out of the 5.1 mix. If you (and anyone else) wants it, you can PM me :D

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Bill Leeb got lit the fuck up on fb the other day when he came out as anti vax and was telling people not to get the covid vax because the government is evil and lies lies lies....Then he deleted the post when people started putting him on blast......Sin is still in the band and Al's bff. Hes going nowhere.....

[imail724]

Surely everyone knows the real reason??

He bailed because of the allegations against Sin Q and Al refused to even address said allegations.Do you actually know that's the reason or are you just assuming? The thought crossed my mind that maybe that was the reason but I don't remember ever seeing any actual evidence of that. I do remember Chris completely deleting his FB and ig around the time it was announced he wouldn't be part of the tour. Thought that was odd.

[Jinsai]

Surely everyone knows the real reason??

He bailed because of the allegations against Sin Q and Al refused to even address said allegations.

I'm hearing it actually has to do with Visa issues, and while that's general and vague, it usually means something with drugs.

But who knows. All I know is back before everything got postponed, the "truth was out there" about Sin.

[wizfan]

I have a rip of it. You can get super clean Paul Barker bass tracks out of the 5.1 mix. If you (and anyone else) wants it, you can PM me :D

Oh, also, it has some super-rare footage of Al with his hair dyed red. That's worth the price of admission alone. I can pack that along with the mix as well!

[Arcspiral]

Sin is still in the band and Al's bff. Hes going nowhere.....

I wouldn't be surprised about this, but how do you know that? I haven't seen anything about it anywhere one way or another.

[Mutilated]

Do you actually know that's the reason or are you just assuming? The thought crossed my mind that maybe that was the reason but I don't remember ever seeing any actual evidence of that. I do remember Chris completely deleting his FB and ig around the time it was announced he wouldn't be part of the tour. Thought that was odd.


I just don't believe in coincidences. His original tweet states unforeseen circumstances but the timing was too good to be anything other than Sin related. All this noise was around Jan 2020, so deets are a bit hazy...but I remember some noise pertaining to Lucia from KMFDM and her not standing against Sin's alleged behaviour. I don't believe cancel culture is right but investigations should happen and Al should have said something.

[Soma]

Sin is no longer in the band:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sin-quirin-quits-ministry-the-time-is-right-for-me-to-focus-on-my-health-my-personal-life-and-other-projects/

[virushopper]

Sin is no longer in the band:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sin-quirin-quits-ministry-the-time-is-right-for-me-to-focus-on-my-health-my-personal-life-and-other-projects/

I hope Al brings back Tommy Victor.


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[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Al needs to bring Paul Barker back.......I would suggest Marty Atkins but a lot of his fb posts suggest he has fallen off the wagon numerous times in the last year or 2 so touring w Ministry may not be the best thing for ol Atkins

[Maximilian]

Al needs to bring Paul Barker back.......I would suggest Marty Atkins but a lot of his fb posts suggest he has fallen off the wagon numerous times in the last year or 2 so touring w Ministry may not be the best thing for ol Atkins


And besides that, I'd imagine it would be pretty brutal to drum for Ministry at his age.

[imail724]

There was a theory Connolly dropped out of the tour because of the accusations against Sin. That probably wasn't the real reason he left, but man if it was I would be so happy if he was gonna be part of it again.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Al needs to bring Paul Barker back.......I would suggest Marty Atkins but a lot of his fb posts suggest he has fallen off the wagon numerous times in the last year or 2 so touring w Ministry may not be the best thing for ol Atkins

Dont think this will ever happen. During the WaxTrax RSD show in 2019 I had the chance to chat with Barker and asked him if he had any plans to join the band on stage that night. He looked right at me and said "there is no way I will get on stage with them tonight or any time in the future." It kinda caught me off guard and our conversation ended on that note :(

[AVirtualMemoryOfficial]

EDIT: As you may have seen before I said a bunch of kinda rude shit about Al and current day Ministry...For those of you who know, well...if you saw the post, you know. But after seeing them open for NIN at Cuyahoga Falls on Saturday... I'm gonna have to eat my words. They totally bring it live and their set was insanely fucking good! Everything I'd hoped for in a Ministry set. Dark, chaotic, insanely heavy and maybe just a big unhinged. The band was incredibly tight and the classic tracks sound as intense as they ever did in the late 80s/early 90s. Sorry to anybody interested in that previous post but it feels better to delete that in light of this. I had the time of my fucking life seeing them, even if it was only for 45 minutes. The project and post-Paul albums be what they may (and my opinion in that regard hasn't changed) but I'd highly recommend going to see them live if the vibe is anything like what I saw this past weekend.

[Shadaloo]

Shot in the dark: Does anyone still have the "Live @ The Oz, Seattle, WA 01/01/89" recording from the Ministry Mondays free downloads they put up back in 2014?

[muad'nin]

Shot in the dark: Does anyone still have the "Live @ The Oz, Seattle, WA 01/01/89" recording from the Ministry Mondays free downloads they put up back in 2014?

If not here, someone over at Prongs might?

[Jon]

Shot in the dark: Does anyone still have the "Live @ The Oz, Seattle, WA 01/01/89" recording from the Ministry Mondays free downloads they put up back in 2014?

Sorry, I missed the initial request bump. Here is Ministry Mondays #1–#9 (4.31 GB):

https://mega.nz/folder/KxAwXTwC#B5qrX-fZJHn5UaydxpNoBA

Just the '89 show (.flac):

https://mega.nz/folder/ugwA1JoJ#6U8G0cF9c-QkV2XQACKaDQ

This should be everything minus the original .torrent files. If someone has the original .torrent files, I would be happy to add them for archival purposes.

[Shadaloo]

Sorry, I missed the initial request bump. Here is Ministry Mondays #1–#9 (4.31 GB):

https://mega.nz/folder/KxAwXTwC#B5qrX-fZJHn5UaydxpNoBA

Just the '89 show (.flac):

https://mega.nz/folder/ugwA1JoJ#6U8G0cF9c-QkV2XQACKaDQ

This should be everything minus the original .torrent files. If someone has the original .torrent files, I would be happy to add them for archival purposes.


I fucking love you. Thanks so much <3. If you're after anything let me know and I'll see if I've got it :)

[Space Suicide]

New single is pretty darn good. Very subdued and groove filled.

New album Moral Hygeine is out October 1st.

[MrLobster]

Pre-ordered mine with the t-shirt...

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgXBG6IMRp4

https://twitter.com/WeAreMinistry/status/1415672500277682176

[SM Rollinger]

I ordered the CD along with the yellow cassette.

Speaking of cassettes, I picked up a mint Jesus Built My Hotrod cassette!

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUkeVLly7Z4

[Shadaloo]

Not bad I'll check it out, though those Filth Pig harmonicas are starting to wear a little thin. :P

I do like the fact that this has a few lead lines and it's not quite all the chugga-chugga metal I've become used to/afraid of hearing out of Al. Amerikkkant was a step in the right direction, I've been able to throw it on here and there. Still think Surgical Meth Machine's I'm Invisible is the most interesting thing he's done in recent years.

Still crossing fingers for more stuff out of the early ages vault though, of course. :)

Speaking of, not the best quality but check out this absolutely amazing and fucked up version of All Day from 1987, when Al had shaved his head, looked terrifying, and had gone all Hulk Smash Synthpop:


https://youtu.be/3ZsM1Micg1Q?t=804

[SM Rollinger]

Numbers, wish the full tape was out there

[3knic]

Not bad I'll check it out, though those Filth Pig harmonicas are starting to wear a little thin. :P

I do like the fact that this has a few lead lines and it's not quite all the chugga-chugga metal I've become used to/afraid of hearing out of Al. Amerikkkant was a step in the right direction, I've been able to throw it on here and there. Still think Surgical Meth Machine's I'm Invisible is the most interesting thing he's done in recent years.

Still crossing fingers for more stuff out of the early ages vault though, of course. :)

Speaking of, not the best quality but check out this absolutely amazing and fucked up version of All Day from 1987, when Al had shaved his head, looked terrifying, and had gone all Hulk Smash Synthpop:


https://youtu.be/3ZsM1Micg1Q?t=804
This version is amazing - wish there was a better quality or a studio version. All Day is easily my favorite Ministry song.

I've been on a big Ministry kick lately after not paying attention to them my entire life. Was never a fan of their heavier stuff, but Twitch is amazing, and there are a few tracks on LORAH that are absolute bangers (like the title track and stigmata)

[Shadaloo]

This version is amazing - wish there was a better quality or a studio version. All Day is easily my favorite Ministry song.

There apparently is. Story goes on the Prongs boards that he reworked the entire thing, new vocals and all, and this is the result, done live 86-87, but the finished track never saw release....like many things from that period, it seems. A bunch of stuff still remains unheard (https://discourse.prongs.org/t/knowledge-base-for-unreleased-tracks/6492).



I've been on a big Ministry kick lately after not paying attention to them my entire life. Was never a fan of their heavier stuff, but Twitch is amazing, and there are a few tracks on LORAH that are absolute bangers (like the title track and stigmata.

Trax! Box is absolutely essential!

Al's apparently stated that he's got TWO Ministry records in the can, and just needs to finish vocals on the second one.

[3knic]

There apparently is. Story goes on the Prongs boards that he reworked the entire thing, new vocals and all, and this is the result, done live 86-87, but the finished track never saw release....like many things from that period, it seems. A bunch of stuff still remains unheard (https://discourse.prongs.org/t/knowledge-base-for-unreleased-tracks/6492).




Trax! Box is absolutely essential!

Al's apparently stated that he's got TWO Ministry records in the can, and just needs to finish vocals on the second one.I really appreciate you passing this along, I really hope some of those items in the archive see the light of day. Anything Twitch related and I'm in.

I'll check out the trax box - I'm familiar with the 12" singles (1981-1984) and this appears to include a lot of that. I actually snagged the 12" singles vinyl on preorder price for 16 bucks, although it's now at 34. Looks like a rerelease, comes out in September

[orson thrust]

Random Ministry question: Paul's Flowering Blight release, The Perfect Pair, very obviously uses the Type O Negative font as well as album cover layout (Name in top right, Album in bottom left, both turning with the corner). What is up with that? Has that ever been asked or commented on?

[Shadaloo]

There apparently is. Story goes on the Prongs boards that he reworked the entire thing, new vocals and all, and this is the result, done live 86-87, but the finished track never saw release....

Fuck fuck fuck fuck. Need to correct myself here.

I'm thinking of a remix of The Angel, not All Day. The Angel remix is some kind of holy grail of a scrapped single, described as unrecognizeable from the original. "You wouldn't be able to tell it's Angel...It went from this kind of ambient song to this real in-your-face kind of anthem march."


https://youtu.be/eBQay8SYPhU

If there's a studio version of that reworking of All Day, nobody knows. I mean, there very well could be. There's probably a lot of stuff nobody's ever heard. I'm not sure too many people were aware of the existence of 'Cause We're In Love Again' (which is from 1987 according to the prongs forum, same sessions that produced 1000 Homo DJs' Apathy) until it surfaced on the Industrial Accident soundtrack...there's also a snippet of a song called 'Hopeless Days' that appears in the movie, which I need to rewatch to see if I can catch it.

[Shadaloo]

Random Ministry question: Paul's Flowering Blight release, The Perfect Pair, very obviously uses the Type O Negative font as well as album cover layout (Name in top right, Album in bottom left, both turning with the corner). What is up with that? Has that ever been asked or commented on?

I've noticed that too and I've often wondered if it was meant as a nod :)


I really appreciate you passing this along, I really hope some of those items in the archive see the light of day. Anything Twitch related and I'm in.

It's my pleasure. There's something about the early period of Ministry that's really captivating; I can't get enough of it. There's this mystique and almost a sense of mystery about it; it's fascinating to belhold Al's sound evolve and change into what it became, and every time a new gem is found and gets dusted off, I'm thrilled. Nobody can really say how much material exists. It's like various pieces of a six-seven year puzzle constantly being found, all of which seem so wildly disparate yet fit together.

Since it can be really daunting trying to make sense of it as all these releases occurred in isolation here and there, I whipped up a spotify playlist of the officially released stuff to illustrate how things changed as they went on, up to the Stigmata single (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6XlORtYudEC1ti8JGeqDa9). Tracklisting is pretty well approximate; as when the demos in particular were recorded is the subject of a good amount of guesswork. :)

[muad'nin]

…it's fascinating to belhold Al's sound evolve and change into what it became, and every time a new gem is found and gets dusted off, I'm thrilled.

This is so true. What an entirely fascinating trajectory this band’s sound has taken over the years. And I think this journey pre-dates even the synth-pop of With Sympathy. ‘I’m Falling’ was released prior to WS, and owes more to post-punk (The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division) than synth pop.


https://youtu.be/01FNU3vg34s

Even in the space of a couple of years early on, the sound of Al’s output shifted wildly.

[HWB]

Listened to some of the new singles (Good Trouble) and it sounds kind of reminiscent of Amerikkkant and not in a good way. Nothing really interesting there, hopefully some of the album will surprise me, lyrically wise Al is still doing the same protest thing but it has none of the bite or effectivness. I will still give it a shot when it will release though.

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq0HwGffz8o

[MrLobster]

Even in the space of a couple of years early on, the sound of Al’s output shifted wildly.

I really like this track...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsvyBiFA-fI
(especially the Chicago '82 live verison)

[snichols]

I am selling 1 ticket to the Chicago date of the upcoming Ministry tour. $40 and its yours. PM me.

[use you up]

There apparently is. Story goes on the Prongs boards that he reworked the entire thing, new vocals and all, and this is the result, done live 86-87, but the finished track never saw release....like many things from that period, it seems. A bunch of stuff still remains unheard (https://discourse.prongs.org/t/knowledge-base-for-unreleased-tracks/6492).




Trax! Box is absolutely essential!

Al's apparently stated that he's got TWO Ministry records in the can, and just needs to finish vocals on the second one.

With regards to unreleased stuff they recorded a whole album in 1998 but scrapped it apart from 1 track(Kaif) and then recorded and released Dark Side Of The Spoon.

[voidnz]

You guys heard Search and Destroy. This is not the Ministry album I was expecting. Very different sound. Not sure how I feel about it.

[MrLobster]

You guys heard Search and Destroy. This is not the Ministry album I was expecting. Very different sound. Not sure how I feel about it.

One song does not make an album... and compared with the "Good Trouble (Unity Mix)" posted on the last page, I don't see any issues with the up-coming album.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Everything Al has released post 2003 has been utter shit so I won't even bother with this new one. And I am someone who thinks Dark Side of the Spoon is a good album. Plus Al claiming half the songs are about climate change and black lives matter (a year too late Al) makes it sound like it will be about as cringe as the antifa song he did a few years back.

[Shadaloo]

With regards to unreleased stuff they recorded a whole album in 1998 but scrapped it apart from 1 track(Kaif) and then recorded and released Dark Side Of The Spoon.

Yeah, I'd actually be really interested in hearing that, too. Kaif is one of my favorite mid-period Ministry tracks, and actually relatable to me as I push 40. "Where did the time go?"

Supposedly there's a whole other alternate version of Filth Pig, too!

As for the new Stooges cover...s'alright. I'm somewhat intrigued by what I've heard so far, but I really need to hear more of it before I plonk down (like I just did for an LP of Live 1986 to go along with my CD :P).

I doubt the new album will blow my mind, but if it's as listenable as Amerikkant, I can dig it. I'd say there's been a mild upswing from the later Bush years, Relapse and From Beer To Eternity to what we're hearing nowadays. Nothing great, but listenable.

Been wondering about the "other album" Al said he needed to finish vocals for. Kind of wondering whether that means he's doing what he did when he decided to put out "I'll Do Anything For You" a few years back and touching up old stuff - he totally re-recorded his vocals for that one. I wish he wouldn't take it quite so far, but I'll take what I can get.

[fillow]

Al addresses Search & Destroy here at 6:40. Looks like it was recorded as a one off and then got attached to this album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuQ2ZTY8_w

[use you up]

I'm hoping that over the next decade that Al and Paul finally put out some proper reissues of the Sire years,all the albums before Spoon need remastering and I bet there are loads of tracks/alt mixes in the vaults as well.

[Maximilian]

I'm hoping that over the next decade that Al and Paul finally put out some proper reissues of the Sire years,all the albums before Spoon need remastering and I bet there are loads of tracks/alt mixes in the vaults as well.

That would be great, but I doubt Al has to consult Paul at all to get any of those things done. Al's always been the boss since 1981.

[DVYDRNS]

I also doubt Paul wants to spend any of this time dealing with ministry lol

[NotoriousTIMP]

https://mailchi.mp/waxtrax.com/paul-barker-chris-connelly-free-show?e=9bdb35d02a (http://“[URL)
Chris Connelly & Paul Barker to play show of just Ministry side project tracks

[SM Rollinger]

https://mailchi.mp/waxtrax.com/paul-barker-chris-connelly-free-show?e=9bdb35d02a (http://“[URL)
Chris Connelly & Paul Barker to play show of just Ministry side project tracks

I have been super busy with work as of late, but regardless, I thought you guys might want this (guess I was right...) AWESOME to hear these songs played live-ish for the first time!


https://youtu.be/unNZOIj7iAU

(also why I missed out on the Echoplex Livestream, that footage looks sick!!)

[Maximilian]

Kinda awkard that two guys are doing this by themselves with no audience, but I'll take it. All those songs are very much a part of my life.

[ChipRock]

Mate. Kicking off with Rockabye too... not what I was expecting, but exactly what I'd want to see. Love these tracks. Thank you for sharing!

[imail724]

That was awesome, would really love to see them do this in person. Chris needs to stop trying to talk with the echo mic though, can't understand a word he's saying between songs.

[imail724]

The upcoming Ministry tour has been postponed again. They originally moved my 2020 show to October 2021, now it's moved to March 2022.

[otnavuskire]

The upcoming Ministry tour has been postponed again. They originally moved my 2020 show to October 2021, now it's moved to March 2022.

And the support has been changed to Melvins and Corrosion of Conformity. I really only like the Melvins out of that lineup, and I feel like the Ministry crowd would HATE them. Which makes me really want to go see that show.

[Demogorgon]

Real glad i went ahead with a refund. This whole tour has been a shitshow from the start.

[Space Suicide]

I'm glad I wasn't married to this tour or bought a ticket. Another delay and a change in the lineup watered it down for me. Shame.

[orson thrust]

Mate. Kicking off with Rockabye too... not what I was expecting, but exactly what I'd want to see. Love these tracks. Thank you for sharing!

Can I see a set list anywhere? All links are broken for me.

[imail724]

Can I see a set list anywhere? All links are broken for me.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/chris-connelly/2021/metro-chicago-il-4b8dabe2.html

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7Zgb3YQSU

[3knic]

On the new album, the stretch of songs from Search and Destroy to We Shall Resist is fantastic

[richardp]

This is their best album since the 90s for me. I can't believe I'm listening to a Ministry album in 2021 and not rolling my eyes at how shitty it is. Pandemic did wonders for Al it seems.

[Shadaloo]

One listen though, this certainly does not suck. I like how processed it feels at points - like good, lockstep, industrial processing. There's hints of Rape and Honey influence going on. Might be a big step up from Amerikkkant, which was just that to the prior few albums.

[rampface]

I'm just so sick of the political shit. It immediately dates the record and he's not saying anything profound. People who shape their personality around politics usually do so because they lack interesting qualities. I don't think that's Al. He's simply given up. It's boring.

[muad'nin]

I'm just so sick of the political shit. It immediately dates the record and he's not saying anything profound. People who shape their personality around politics usually do so because they lack interesting qualities. I don't think that's Al. He's simply given up. It's boring.

I don’t agree that responding to the political climate in one’s art means one is shaping their personality around politics. A lot of the time art is used as an outlet so that the stressors and anxieties themselves don’t shape a personality.

I think Al is a fascinating character, who has a lifetime of fascinating stories. A person who, despite what one might think of his current state of mind, was once a fiercely intelligent person. An artist who has in fact been making political statements in his music since the opening track on 1986’s Twitch, ‘Just Like You’. Politics and Ministry have been closely intertwined for almost the entirety of the band’s existence, and has been a near ubiquitous lyrical thread running through its output over the years.

Being “sick of the political shit” wouldn’t leave you too much of a discography left to enjoy.

[MrLobster]

Being “sick of the political shit” wouldn’t leave you too much of a discography left to enjoy.

DING DING DING

I mean shit, the name of the band is meant as a political statement... the "Ministry" of [department].

Twitch; almost political
The Land Of Rape And Honey; political
The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste; political
ΚΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ; political
Filth Pig; not so political
Dark Side Of The Spoon; not so political
Animositisomina; political
Houses of the Molé; political
The Last Sucker; political
etc., etc., etc.

[Maximilian]

I think maybe the point the guy was trying to make was that Al gets hung up on politics and can't let them go. For instance, there's a "Bush Trilogy". Nearly everyone can agree that guy was a piece of shit, but do we want to go back and hear songs about him complete with samples?

He does tend to date his albums with current events, especially more recently.

If you think about the protest songs of the 1960s, they didn't point out specifically what they were singing about (in general). They remain classics even if the subject matter goes over peoples heads.

[imail724]

The transitions between tracks on this album are great. Really feels like a cohesive album and probably the best thing they've released since Houses of the Mole (an underrated classic IMO). The more instrumentally-driven tracks toward the end really reminded me of LORAH and TMIATTTT. Will need to give it a few more listens to see if it holds up though. I think I had similar thoughts about the last album, but I've still only listened to that once, so I'll have to check that out again too. I do agree about the overly on the nose political lyrics. Trump already lost, why are we still complaining about him? And are people going to want to listen to a song about Covid-19 10 years from now? The album was dated before it was even released. Musically it ain't bad though.

[rampface]

I'm not anti-protest songs but Al isn't saying anything of value. It's just buzzword salad.

[Space Suicide]

I'm not anti-protest songs but Al isn't saying anything of value. It's just buzzword salad.

His "fuck the establishment' decorum for the past 15 years is juvenile and atrocious, really.

Antifa is one of the worst, most insulting songs in their catalog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U

[virushopper]

His "fuck the establishment' decorum for the past 15 years is juvenile and atrocious, really.

Antifa is one of the worst, most insulting songs in their catalog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U

Dude, you're wrong.

This is the worst one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWKfXxwmYpQ

[Lerxto]

His "fuck the establishment' decorum for the past 15 years is juvenile and atrocious, really.

Antifa is one of the worst, most insulting songs in their catalog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U
Wait, that song wasn't a joke?

[SM Rollinger]

DING DING DING

I mean shit, the name of the band is meant as a political statement... the "Ministry" of [department].

Twitch; almost political
The Land Of Rape And Honey; political
The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste; political
ΚΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ; political
Filth Pig; not so political
Dark Side Of The Spoon; not so political
Animositisomina; political
Houses of the Molé; political
The Last Sucker; political
etc., etc., etc.

It goes back further, Same Old Madness.

[DVYDRNS]

Ministry is Political. if you arent into that, then you arent into ministry lol