How to capture audio/video streams

[TheBang]

Since it's DRM, screen recording is pretty much the only option.

[kercyx]

Replay video capture is not bad at all, I'll do it tonight and we'll see but don't expect something like Fuji or Outside Lands... at least we'll have something

[ninjaw]

replay video capture dos not know H264

[kercyx]

replay video capture dos not know H264
Ok, so can you tell me a good one to capture it tonight ?

[ninjaw]

I never done that before, I don't know why you ask me, however i found Debut (http://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/debutsetup.exe), this is a free tool (only on the link provided), quite complete, it does have an internal H264 support, but even better it got an internal support for HuffYuv. HuffYuv allways been the best codec for live recording, because it's lossless and fast. It will be huge, but the thing is that you'll be able to encode it later and better in h264.

[cynicmuse]

I'm out for this one because it's stream capturing. It's annoying that they've put DRM on the stream.
Edit: And it's a moot point because they're not streaming NIN.

[kercyx]

Edit: And it's a moot point because they're not streaming NIN.

How do you know that ? It sucks !!

[dlb]

Pukklepop has a schedule where it shows you which shows are being streamed and which are not. NIN says "no stream" as of now.

[cynicmuse]

How do you know that ? It sucks !!
If you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page with the stream, it shows which acts are streaming on which channels, along with which times. There's a red x next to NIN, which means that there's no stream (via google translate of the dutch page).

[ninjaw]

Fellow recorders, Arte Live Web is LIVE NOW, if you want to practice for the next nin show !

[cynicmuse]

Fellow recorders, Arte Live Web is LIVE NOW, if you want to practice for the next nin show !To which festival are you referring? Rock n Heim? It looks like Lowlands has its own youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5dZxHxVg0&list=PLv9_5-B7tWa--Xk41RMp_RkttgwfHOtLQ), but NIN isn't listed on the list of acts.
Edit: Here's the link (http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/video/Rock_n_Heim_2013___Nine_Inch_Nails/) to the performance at Rock N Heim, with a countdown to the performance.

[ninjaw]

To which festival are you referring? Rock n Heim? It looks like Lowlands has its own youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5dZxHxVg0&list=PLv9_5-B7tWa--Xk41RMp_RkttgwfHOtLQ), but NIN isn't listed on the list of acts.

If you missed the link, you are on the right thread, it's just on the page before. Shit they are playing tomorrow ? Anyway, this stream was easy to record, small quality but amazing shots ! with camera entering the stage after going up the crowd.

[TheBang]

OK, just trying to sort out the upcoming shows.

Lowlands has a stream (see above), but unless something changes, NIN is not on the schedule.
Rock'n'Heim is a confirmed stream for NIN on Sunday: http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/video/Rock_n_Heim_2013___Nine_Inch_Nails/
Scala, London - no stream
Belsonic Festival - appears to have no streaming
Leeds Festival - I don't think this has any live streaming. Footage might appear later on BBC Three?
Rock en Seine - it doesn't look (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1553-2013-08-24-Paris-FR-Rock-en-seine?p=112062#post112062) like there will be any streaming. Maybe audio streaming?
Reading Festival - I don't think this has any live streaming. Footage might appear later on BBC Three?
Milan, Italy - no stream
Zurich Open Air - doesn't look like there's any streaming
Made in America Festival - This was webcast last year on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/madeinamericafest) and audio on Pandora. Hopefully the same will happen this year? This press release (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beyonce-and-nine-inch-nails-headline-budweiser-made-in-america-music-festival-in-philadelphia-labor-day-weekend-202420631.html) says there will be a live stream, but no further details so far.

[ryanmcfly]

Made in America might have a stream since they apparently did last year. But that's speculation.

[Volk]

How does one circumvent the copyright check when upping these to Youtube? I have the full rip of the Crystal Castles @ Lolla that I downloaded from Dime. I uploaded it, but was rejected by Youtube for copyright.

[TheBang]

What, exactly (verbatim), did the rejection message say?

[Volk]

What, exactly (verbatim), did the rejection message say?

2 messages. The first just said it was rejected (for terms of use violation). The 2nd message Your video may include a song owned by a third party. For example, this might be a song playing in the background or someone performing a song.To hear the matched song please play the video on the right. The video will play from the point where the matched content was identified.

and it identified 3 songs out of the set list that were copyrighted.

This is all from the same Lolla feed that RITC took the NIN show from. So if they can get it online, so can I. (hopefully)

[TheBang]

YouTube has a Content ID match system that allows copyright owners to upload their material to YouTube, and YouTube matches it against newly uploaded videos. If it matches, the copyright owner is allowed to dictate what actions can be taken against the material, including simply monetizing the video to outright blocking it. The 2nd message is definitely from Content ID. The first one, I don't know, I'd need to see the exact message. In any case, it's possible that one of the rights holders (Crystal Castles, their label, or publisher) has decided that they want to block anything that matches via Content ID. In that case, you're SOL.

[Volk]

YouTube has a Content ID match system that allows copyright owners to upload their material to YouTube, and YouTube matches it against newly uploaded videos. If it matches, the copyright owner is allowed to dictate what actions can be taken against the material, including simply monetizing the video to outright blocking it. The 2nd message is definitely from Content ID. The first one, I don't know, I'd need to see the exact message. In any case, it's possible that one of the rights holders (Crystal Castles, their label, or publisher) has decided that they want to block anything that matches via Content ID. In that case, you're SOL.
that was pretty much verbatim for the 1st message I got. Is it possible to flip the image, change the pitch or length, or chop it up?

[gstead]

If you missed the link, you are on the right thread, it's just on the page before. Shit they are playing tomorrow ? Anyway, this stream was easy to record, small quality but amazing shots ! with camera entering the stage after going up the crowd.
ninjaw thanks for recording this! It looks great.

[cynicmuse]

Thanks for grabbing the Lowlands stream ninjaw. I wish they had actually posted the full schedule 24 hours in advance, instead of announcing NIN less than an hour before it started.

[TheBang]

that was pretty much verbatim for the 1st message I got. Is it possible to flip the image, change the pitch or length, or chop it up?
Not really. Content ID was made to be able to pick things up in the background, like a radio or TV playing, so it's able to match the music unless you really make it unrecognizable.

It's matching the audio, not the video, in this case, so doing anything to the video won't help at all.

[TheBang]

Did anyone try the Rock'N'Heim streams from today (Saturday)? Is it region restricted?

[theimage13]

that was pretty much verbatim for the 1st message I got. Is it possible to flip the image, change the pitch or length, or chop it up?

For the love of god, please don't even bother with any of those things.

Flipped images? Great, now everyone is left handed and the video looks weird. I for one immediately skip any video I see like this.

Change the pitch? It sounds like shit, and it's both painfully annoying to the viewers and, more importantly, disrespectful to the artist to change the way they sound.

And changing the length/chopping it up won't avoid detection.

[ItsJustDave]

For the love of god, please don't even bother with any of those things.

Agreed. One additional point, were you to do those types of things in an attempt to circumvent the copyright restriction they already informed you about, they might just decide to disable some or all of your account privileges. What's so important about putting it on YouTube? If you want to make it more accessible, upload it to a more accessible torrent server. TPB is ideal.

[cynicmuse]

Did anyone try the Rock'N'Heim streams from today (Saturday)? Is it region restricted?

Replays of Friday and Saturday's performances are accessible from www.arte.tv (http://www.arte.tv) but not rocknheim.arte.tv. I got a continuous circle of loading doom when I tried to watch the Franz Ferdinand video on rocknheim.arte.tv, but it played on www.arte.tv (http://www.arte.tv). RMC 5 didn't get the video. Jaksta only got the first chunk and then stopped.

They're using rtmp to serve the stream; I confirmed this with wireshark. I downloaded the Franz Ferdinand set by using the web console to track network requests and then using wget to save the xml file containing the rtmp stream address; the xml file address contains the following string: "events/event-XXXX.xml". There are two rtmp streams contained in the xml: the HD (<urlHd>) and the SD (<urlSd>). I used mplayer to dump the stream with the following command: mplayer -dumpstream <urlHd> -dumpfile bar.flv (though this only worked on OS X and not my linux box). Oddly enough, once I started this command, Jaksta started downloading the full file as well; I'm monitoring the standard RTMP ports of 1935 and 443 with Jaksta.

I tried to save a live stream on arte.tv earlier in the week with both Jaksta and RMC 5 and neither worked. I had to find the stream url with the web console and use mplayer to dump the rtmp stream. I'm going try again with the Heaven Shall Burn stream at 9:25am PDT and see what happens.

I also tried to use rtmpsuck to get the parameters for rtmpdump and it just hung; the stream never started.

Edit: I only got the first 17 minutes of the Franz Ferdinand concert with this method. I'll try it again with the stream running in the flash player and see what happens.

Edit 2: Keeping a copy of the stream running in my browser let me download the whole performance. I really hope that the director of the Franz Ferdinand show isn't doing NIN... there's no reason to have a camera mounted in the rafters doing 360+ degree rotation shots of the stage. It's a concert, not a tilt-a-whirl.

[TheBang]

there's no reason to have a camera mounted in the rafters doing 360+ degree rotation shots of the stage. It's a concert, not a tilt-a-whirl.
lol

Thanks for the info. Hopefully we can get some clean captures today. There are no second chances with RTMP streaming.

Although, I guess they're all being archived here? So we could have many second chances.

[ninjaw]

here in france it prints 6day archive, and that works perfectly with yesterday's Fucking Ferdinand. ALso RMC5 worked like a charm midweek. Quite strange because they announced somthing else before and they never archived last Depeche Mode performance, so they can do both. Anyway, facts are there.

[TheBang]

Yeah, RMC worked pretty well for me. Got several captures, but gotta review them thoroughly to see if there were any drops in the stream.

Looks like the replay is still pending, but hopefully it'll be available later, so we can try, try again, if we didn't get any perfect captures.

[cynicmuse]

It's good to know that RMC worked. I wonder if its due to my Windows 8 installation. I used mplayer to just dump the stream.

[ninjaw]

German concert now archived for 5 days http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/video/Rock_n_Heim_2013___Nine_Inch_Nails/ (should be more easier to rip, Jdownloader is compatible)

[ninjaw]

still verifying french streams (remember lowlands was announced in less than 24h) these are culturebox streams http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/rock-en-seine/lives
nothing at radios france inter/lemouv

[TheBang]

Just wanted to update this list:

Aug. 23 - Leeds Festival - Does not appear to have any live streaming
Aug. 24 - Rock en Seine - ninjaw is keeping us updated on possibilities here. Possible stream here: http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/rock-en-seine/lives
Aug. 25 - Reading Festival - Reading Main Stage will be webcast. Info here (http://www.readingfestival.com/news/dont-miss-any-action-onsite-best-live-coverage-bbc) and here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/readingandleeds). BBC streams are usually region restricted to UK-only, so make sure you get your proxies and VPN's set up in advance. Reading starts streaming on Friday, so you have almost 3 full days to practice before NIN takes the stage.
Aug. 28 - Milan, Italy - Arena show, no stream
Aug. 29 - Zurich Open Air - doesn't look like there's any streaming
Sep. 1 - Made in America Festival - This was webcast last year on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/madeinamericafest) and audio on Pandora. This press release (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beyonce-and-nine-inch-nails-headline-budweiser-made-in-america-music-festival-in-philadelphia-labor-day-weekend-202420631.html) says there will be a live stream this year, but no further details so far.
Oct. 26 - Mountain Oasis Festival - doesn't appear to have any streaming. I e-mailed them and they said there are no plans at this time.
Nov. - Voodoo Experience - No word on this year, but Voodoo streamed last year on Ustream: http://www.ustream.tv/voodooexperience

[ninjaw]

Woooopppp look like Arte France finally got live streams too ! (WTF it's nowhere on rock en seine website) http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/video/Rock_en_Seine_Paul_Kalkbrenner/ gotta yell at them again, definitly checking everyday arte and culturebox

[ninjaw]

god ! 8 new live streams just appeared on Dailymotion now ! still no nin !
Where to check (why the hell is there 3 places ...) :
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/rockenseine/1 (http://www.dailymotion.com/user/rockenseine/1)
http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/tag/rock_en_seine/
http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/rock-en-seine/lives

[TheBang]

Weird that so many different companies are doing streaming for Rock en Seine.

[TheBang]

I've been checking out the Reading stream today. First of all, it's region restricted to the UK, so you will need a proxy or VPN (or be in the UK).

The stream is an Adobe HDS stream. Which means it's chunked, like the HLS streams. The chunks are .f4f files (Flash MPEG-4 Fragments). But they're not labeled with the .f4f extension. The URLs/filenames are like this:

http://zaphod-live.bbc.co.uk.edgesuite.net/hds-live/streams/livepkgr/streams/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14_40/uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72511-Frag725109

The URL naming progression is very simple. The Frag counts up one at a time, and the Seg increments every 10 fragments, on the "1".

For example:

uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72511-Frag725109
uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72511-Frag725110
uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72512-Frag725111
uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72512-Frag725112
uk_sport_stream_14_40Seg72512-Frag725113

If you get the URL construction wrong, you'll get an HTTP 503 error, Service Temporarily Unavailable. There doesn't seem to be any protection or expiration (within reason, I suppose) on the chunks, so basically, as long as you construct the URL correctly, you should be able to download it with anything.

The streaming manifest is here (search for .f4m in your web console):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/playlists/hds/pc/llnw/uk_sport_stream_14.f4m

This manifest shows 5 different bitrate options for the stream:

<manifest xmlns="http://ns.adobe.com/f4m/2.0">
<dvrInfo windowDuration="-1"/>
<media href="http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_40.f4m" bitrate="512"/>
<media href="http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_50.f4m" bitrate="796"/>
<media href="http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_60.f4m" bitrate="1296"/>
<media href="http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_70.f4m" bitrate="2096"/>
<media href="http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_80.f4m" bitrate="3500"/>
</manifest>

The "14_80" stream is the highest quality (I didn't bother to check out the other ones). It is 720p25 at about 3.3 Mbps, and the audio is about 93 Kbps LC-AAC. In the URL construction above, you can change the quality of the chunks by simply adjusting, say, the "14_40" part of the URL to "14_80" in the two places it appears.

Adobe HDS will dynamically update your streaming bitrate depending on your connection, so live capture side-by-side with a browser (via HiDownload or RMC) might not be the best option. The best option might be manually constructing the URL's and throwing them all in a batch downloader.

Once you've captured all the chunks, you'll need to process them with AdobeHDS.php.

https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/wiki
https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/blob/master/AdobeHDS.php

AdobeHDS.php will only detect incrementing at the end of the filename, so you'll have to do some batch renaming to remove the SegNNNNN part of the filenames. Then you can do something like "php AdobeHDS.php --fragments uk_sport_stream_14_40-Frag" and it should join them all into a seamless FLV file.
Another option for capturing is using AdobeHDS.php which has a download option. You can feed it a manifest, and it will download and join all the segments automatically. The only problem is, I'm not sure if there's a way to specify where it starts downloading from. It appears to start from the moment the manifest is requested, so you'd have to start it just before NIN took the stage. So, I fed it this manifest, so it would capture the 720p stream:

php AdobeHDS.php --manifest "http://bbcfmhds.vo.llnwd.net/hds-live/livepkgr/_definst_/uk_sport_stream_14/uk_sport_stream_14_80.f4m"

I think downloading chunks might be a better way to go, because then you can redownload chunks, or checksum and exchange corrupt chunks like we've been doing with other streams.

The above URL's might change from day-to-day, so you'll need to use your web console to verify the URL locations and structures.

[ninjaw]

french radio Lemouv DOES stream concerts ! they're hidden in live event shows however someone who heared today told me no nin was announced for tomorrow

[ninjaw]

Checked national's shows on France4 TV (few hours live show) and LeMouv's few hours live shows, judging from recent tweets, non nin, anyway, we are recording anyway, and thoses are easily sharable.

[Frydek]

I'm on my Mac using ffmpeg on the command line.

export URL720p="<get_url_from_firebug>"
ffmpeg -re -i $URL720p -codec copy -y "lollapalooza.m3u8"

This creates the 5-second .ts files mentioned above. I have a script to 'cat' those together and voila! Super nice video.


Sorry I don't understand this. Where do you enter this command line? Do you need the URL?

[TheBang]

Sorry I don't understand this. Where do you enter this command line? Do you need the URL?
You would have to enter it in Terminal. You'd also need ffmpeg binary installed on your computer. The URL is the URL for the manifest (.m3u8) that you have to get by looking in the web console in Firefox or Chrome, or something like Firebug.

The above thing with capturing .ts files will only work for streams using HLS. YouTube usually uses that for its live streaming events. The upcoming Reading stream uses HDS though.

[cynicmuse]

I downloaded some chunks from the Lumineers set and tried to use the AdobeHDS php script with --fragments to stick them together and every time, it claimed it "found 0 fragments". I had renamed all of the files to Frag***** and I was running it in the directory containing the files. I'm going to give the direct download option with AdobeHDS a try on the Fall Out Boy set. I can use the --start option to specify which fragment to start with, at least according to the help with the script.
Edit: for future reference, the --start option worked. Though it doesn't matter now.

[binaryhermit]

No stream today/tonight, apparently.
https://twitter.com/BBCreadingfest/status/371678865455722496
and
https://twitter.com/BBCreadingfest/status/371679859639996416

[cynicmuse]

For future reference, here are some tools that will fix busted ts files generated by a satellite receiver.
projectX (http://sourceforge.net/projects/project-x/): This is a java based tool that will fix errors and demux the stream. On the Reading festival stream, it just chopped out the drops, resulting in a loss of about 5s of playing time. Maybe with some tweaking it would have worked better.
VideoReDo (http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm): This is windows only trialware (7 day free trial). It repairs errors when you remuxed the stream. It also just chopped out the drops, resulting in a loss of about 5s of playing time.
Avidemux (http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/): This works on windows, *nix, and OS X. It took in the ts file and did generate a .mkv file, but there a/v sync issues after the location of the dropped frames.
MPEG2Repair (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG2Repair): This is windows only and won't work under wine; it is old and free. It fixed the stream to the point that I could convert it into .mkv. I'm not really sure what MPEG2Repair is doing (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/MPEG2Repair.htm); I just know that it isn't transcoding the file. I did still have to run ffmpeg with -fflags +genpts+igndts to get it to work; it seems that the presentation and decode time stamps are still messed up after a run through MPEG2Repair.

Edit: This is applicable for ts streams where the video is mpeg-2 and the audio is mpeg-1, since that was the format of the busted stream. Some of these may or may not work on mp4. As ninjaw points out below, projectX can't handle h264.

[ninjaw]

Unfortunally ProjectX cannot handle h264

[cynicmuse]

Made in America is using Adobe HDS. The best quality is the 3500 stream, with 720p video and ~100kbps VBR audio. The urls looks something like this:
http://madeinamerica2-lh.akamaihd.net/z/madeinamerica2_1@138206/3500_ed7f9c4cf0cef512-p_Seg1-Frag344498370?als=12.35,12,2002,0,154,43390,14.94, 16462,0,352,f,436525.72,436537.54,t,s,YMJNLPPHZYMF ,2.10.3,352&hdcore=2.10.3
I don't know what all of the stuff after als is; you need all of the stuff after als to get the download, and it changes between urls. Also, the fragments aren't accessible after less than 20s, so you need to be running a close to simultaneous from what I can tell.

Using the manifest option with the Adobe PHP script might be the best option. I need to look at it and see if it is possible to save the fragments that it's using to generate the .flv file.

[ninjaw]

I'll warn you again with that creepy php script of yours, no need for that advanced but too simple stuff, when MKVmerge can do it.

[TheBang]

Yeah, I came to the same conclusions as you, cynicmuse. I'll probably try to do both, capture fragments and due a manifest capture. I didn't see any way for the script to save the individual fragments.

The fragments are uniquely coded with some kind of timestamp, so different sources can't be md5 compared without stripping that information out first.

As for MKVmerge, I've found no information that indicates that it supports properly combining Flash MPEG-4 Video Fragments?

[ninjaw]

As for MKVmerge, I've found no information that indicates that it supports properly combining Flash MPEG-4 Video Fragments?

For MKVmerge I mentionned it once before, drag&drop the first part, then click on Additional parts for picking them. Everytime i used that it worked perfectly, it even been able to give me warnings when missing part, and worked anyway.

Btw the bang, i'ld have time for capture this if needed, but can I leave you this one to you ? looks that you don't really need help ?

[TheBang]

Yeah, I've got enough coverage. I've got 6 captures lined up in 3 different geographic locations. 3 via manifest and 3 via fragments.

[cynicmuse]

I'm planning on grabbing it via the manifest.

[TheBang]

Change of plans, @cynicmuse (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=157). Go for the standard HLS stream here, with 1080p option:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj6z8hywWFI

Bitrate is insane. 4-7 Mbps for the video and 251 Kbps for the audio.

[cynicmuse]

Will do. LOL at the link to check out the full festival experience. More like crappy HDS streaming.

[TheBang]

I'm guessing this HLS stream must be for iOS device compatibility.

First chunk: 22825
Last chunk:

[cynicmuse]

So Jaksta didn't name the files using the TS file numbers; instead it's sequential from when I started the capture. The first file is 428, which has the logo with the cut to the stage at the end. The last file is 1553, which has the cut from the stage to the logo.
Here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ireof5telacyxof/checklist.txt) are the md5s. Let me know if you need any pieces. I'll be around for a while since I want to grab the QOTSA in 1080p during the rebroadcast.

[TheBang]

Thanks, hopefully I can figure out what's what from the MD5's.

[billpulsipher]

1080 version just went up on dime

[cynicmuse]

Bitrate is insane. 4-7 Mbps for the video and 251 Kbps for the audio.
This is the nicest video I think of what we've gotten this tour. Obviously it sucked if you didn't have a high speed internet connection, but it was nice to finally get a stream with significantly fewer artifacts during closer and some of the other songs where there was only one color of light.

Edit: I have two audio drop out during Gave Up. I'm not sure if that's the stream or my capture.

[ninjaw]

This is the nicest video I think of what we've gotten this tour. Obviously it sucked if you didn't have a high speed internet connection, but it was nice to finally get a stream with significantly fewer artifacts during closer and some of the other songs where there was only one color of light.
Edit: I have two audio drop out during Gave Up. I'm not sure if that's the stream or my capture.

Yeah but Readings DVBS is 8Mbps and Germany DVBS is 11.4Mbps, and dime's rip doesn't look bigger than lollapalooza ?

[cynicmuse]

Yeah but Readings DVBS is 8Mbps and Germany DVBS is 11.4Mbps, and dime's rip doesn't look bigger than lollapalooza ?
I should have qualified that statement with it looking good after being fed through the compression required for streaming. I honestly don't remember what Lollapolooza looked like; I just remember the really atrocious audio mix. The audio mix on this one was good for the most part, though it took a few songs to get the backing vocals mix right.

I also discounted Reading because they turned the smoke machines up to 11 for the entire performance... that performance didn't have visuals per se.

THTF looks like shit this time around though.

edit: Actually, this does have a higher bit rate. Using the dimeadozen file size of 2,595,451,441 bytes and a run time of ~98 minutes, the average bit rate is 3435 kbps for Lollapolooza. Using the dimeadozen file size of 2,806,778,527 bytes and a run time of ~94 minutes, the average bit rate is 3873 kbps for Made In America.

[TheBang]

Yeah, the bitrate wasn't actually as high as I thought it was. It actually works out to be about 3.4 Mbps. The dimeadozen torrent looks bigger because it's still in .ts format. .ts has a lot of header overhead for all the fragments (about 10%), so when you re-wrapper it to MKV the actual size comes out to about 2.4 GB.

So, in fact, it's pretty much identical (format and bitrate) to the Lollapalooza stream.


Edit: I have two audio drop out during Gave Up. I'm not sure if that's the stream or my capture.
It was in the source.

[billpulsipher]

a 10 GB version just went up on dime....the guy claims it's the "untouched backhaul feed used by youtube to encode their stream"

[TheBang]

Here's what I've gotten so far:

Manifest URL:

http://aegdmurtmpcoke1-lh.akamaihd.net/z/vivelatino_1@183302/manifest.f4m?hdcore=2.10.3&g=YGHKNXDHPHJG

The stuff after the ? changes all the time. I don't think it matters too much, but it does seem to be required.

Copy of the manifest:


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><manifest xmlns="http://ns.adobe.com/f4m/1.0" xmlns:akamai="uri:akamai.com/f4m/1.0">
<akamai:version>2.0</akamai:version>
<akamai:bw>5000</akamai:bw>
<id>vivelatino_1</id>
<streamType>live</streamType>
<akamai:streamType>live</akamai:streamType>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_150" url="150_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_400" url="400_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_600" url="600_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_900" url="900_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_1300" url="1300_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_1900" url="1900_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_2600" url="2600_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<bootstrapInfo profile="named" id="bootstrap_3500" url="3500_94dda78b20b04cb4-p.bootstrap"/>
<media bitrate="150" url="150_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_150">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAEBwAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQGIAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBALfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBbgAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBEAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
</media>
<media bitrate="400" url="400_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_400">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAEB4AAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQGsAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBzAAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
</media>
<media bitrate="600" url="600_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_600">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAEB+AAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQHDgAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAEB/gAAAAAAAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
</media>
<media bitrate="900" url="900_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_900">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAECEAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQHaAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAECJIAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
</media>
<media bitrate="1300" url="1300_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_1300">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAECGAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQHjAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAECS0AAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
</media>
<media bitrate="1900" url="1900_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_1900">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAECOAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQIDgAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAECcMAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
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<media bitrate="2600" url="2600_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_2600">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAECQAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQIIAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAECjkAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
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<media bitrate="3500" url="3500_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_" bootstrapInfoId="bootstrap_3500">
<metadata>AgAKb25NZXRhRGF0YQMABXdpZHRoAECUAAAAAAAAAAZoZWlnaH QAQIaAAAAAAAAACWZyYW1lcmF0ZQBAPfhT4lVrKQAMdmlkZW9j b2RlY2lkAEAcAAAAAAAAAA12aWRlb2RhdGFyYXRlAECqmAAAAA AAAA1hdWRpb2RhdGFyYXRlAEBYAAAAAAAAAAAJ</metadata>
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</manifest>


The manifest seems to lead to bootstrap URL's which appear to be binary-encoded files. I don't know what they have. For example:

http://aegdmurtmpcoke1-lh.akamaihd.net/z/vivelatino_2@183303/3500_ee3a73b72f5d1b4b-p.bootstrap?g=XJQAATCFXWBU&hdcore=2.10.3

You can see the actual Frags being downloaded in your browser console. The URL's look like this:

for the 150 Kbps stream:

http://aegdmurtmpcoke1-lh.akamaihd.net/z/vivelatino_1@183302/150_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_Seg1-Frag348992902?als=12.59,8,3.58,0,129,602,15,276,2, 91,f,267057.45,267081.18,t,s,VVUWQJIWQHDO,2.10.3,9 1&hdcore=2.10.

for the 3500 Kbps stream:

http://aegdmurtmpcoke1-lh.akamaihd.net/z/vivelatino_1@183302/3500_94dda78b20b04cb4-p_Seg1-Frag348992902?als=12.59,8,3.58,0,129,602,15,276,2, 91,f,267057.45,267081.18,t,s,VVUWQJIWQHDO,2.10.3,9 1&hdcore=2.10.

The Frags are EXTREMELY short-lived, so if you don't get them within a few seconds, they return an HTTP 404 with the error message "An error occurred while processing your request."

The latest version of AdobeHDS.php is once again extremely capable of decoding the manifest and downloading all the Frags. The only thing is, my proxy connection is so slow, that it's only managed to grab a handful before they 404.

[PhoenixML]

I've been out of the loop regarding NIN live shows. Were there any live stream of "recent shows" since the Austin one at PBS?

[ninjaw]

I think there was one, but it's been really quite about it, i read something about 720p rip didn't go public, nobody seems to care at the time, don't know why.

[billpulsipher]

The Mexico show was apparently 720

[WorzelG]

I've been out of the loop regarding NIN live shows. Were there any live stream of "recent shows" since the Austin one at PBS?
There's a really good one of NIN at Lollapalooza Brazil, just search for it on YouTube