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MAD
11-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, it's with the greatest pleasure that I present, Saul Williams.

He may be having a concert in my city in a couple of days. I'll be dead tired but I will go anyway. It's a must.

zombielynx21
11-30-2011, 11:34 PM
Still wondering exactly how I feel about Volcanic Sunlight. But this (http://vimeo.com/31926652) is one hell of a video.

BRoswell
12-01-2011, 12:08 AM
I wasn't sure what I thought of Volcanic Sunlight at first, but over time I got into it. It's probably my least favorite album of his, but that's not a bad thing. I really enjoy it now. I think I might have been expecting another NiggyTardust, which was a bit foolish on my part.

BenAkenobi
12-01-2011, 12:29 AM
Volcanic is okay, but Amethyst and untitled are my faves. NEED MOAR crazy poetry from him next time

MAD
12-01-2011, 08:31 AM
Volcanic Sunlight > Niggy Tardust

The reason is because I feel that Volcanic Sunlight IS Saul Williams.

scorpiusdiamond
12-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Did anyone else see this badassery (http://vimeo.com/31926652)? Saul went to the Paris Catacombs to do some of Volcanic Sunlight. Creepy and awesome.

MAD
12-10-2011, 09:33 AM
Yep, I saw it.

And I gotta brag now, I won a concert invite to see Saul Williams tonight!

Deadpool
12-16-2011, 12:32 AM
I got an email from my brother tonight saying Saul is playing in our area in Feb., at super, super small venue called Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ. This place has a bigger bar/restaurant area than it does a concert space and it's AMAZING. I've seen Kenna, The Black Angels, Autolux, and most recently Russian Circles there. I met someone from the band 3 out of 4 times, and always have a great experience. One of those places that is so intimate that it can make a good show great. Needless to say, I am fucking PSYCHED to see Saul there.

imail724
12-16-2011, 10:20 AM
oh shit, I wanna go! What's the parking situation there?

Edit: just bought tix! thanks for the heads up.

imail724
12-17-2011, 10:03 AM
Shit. After buying those tickets for NJ, I found there's an entire tour coming up. Ah well.

Feb 17: Music Hall Of Williamsburg - Brooklyn, NY
Feb 18: Brighton Music Hall - Boston, MA
Feb 20: Maxwells - Hoboken, NJ
Feb 22: World Café Live - Philadelphia, PA
Feb 23: Black Cat - Washington, DC
Feb 24: Cats Cradle - Chapel Hill, NC
Feb 25: The Masquerade - Atlanta
Feb 26: Orpheum - Tampa, FL
Feb 27: The Social - Orlando, FL
Feb 29: HOB - New Orleans
Mar 1: Fitzgeralds - Houston, TX
Mar 2: Sons of Herman Hall - Dallas, TX
Mar 3: Mohawk - Austin, TX
Mar 5: The Launchpad - Albuquerque, NM
Mar 6: Crescent Ballroom - Phoenix, AZ
Mar 8: El Rey - Los Angeles, CA
Mar 9: Soda Bar - San Diego, CA
Mar 10: Slims - San Francisco, CA
Mar 12: Doug Fir - Portland, OR
Mar 13: Neumo's - Seattle, WA
Mar 14: Biltmore - Vancouver, BC
Mar 16: Urban Lounge - Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 17: Marquis - Denver, CO
Mar 19: Triple Rock - Minneapolis, MN
Mar 20: Bottom Lounge - Chicago, IL
Mar 21: Grog Shop - Cleveland, OH
Mar 23: Great Hall - Toronto, ON
Mar 24: El Cabaret - Montreal, PQ

Sporadic
12-17-2011, 06:07 PM
Nice. I'll be going to the Orlando show at The Social. I missed his date there on the NiggyTardust tour (which may have been a good thing since he performed sick that night) but the venue is amazing.

cynicmuse
12-18-2011, 10:05 PM
Yay! I've been looking forward to seeing Saul Williams live again, and even better, headlining! The last time, he was one of the opening acts for Les Claypool, and most of the audience wasn't happy during his performance :(.

pcpunk
01-11-2012, 08:16 PM
http://kingbritt.com/2012/01/11/king-britt-x-saul-williams-remix-download/

full vocal mix of king britt's dance remix. the one on the album is the dub mix, apparently.

laci
01-13-2012, 06:20 AM
I have a List of Demands promo CD for sale / trade.
Cardboard sleeve, 2 tracks (album version and Kill Memory Crash Remix). Cat. number: WEBB077SCDP
Pm me if you're interested.

sick among the pure
01-28-2012, 11:06 PM
$15 for pit tickets, nice. I love living in Philly when it comes to music...

botley
03-24-2012, 02:54 AM
Just saw the penultimate VOLCANIC SUNLIGHT show. Wow, what a performance! Setlist later if anyone's interested.

imail724
03-24-2012, 10:24 AM
I'm interested. never could find the setlist from my show and wonder if it was the same.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

botley
03-24-2012, 11:23 AM
It was part of the CMW festival so there were three other bands on the bill; Saul himself didn't take the stage until about 12:30 and the show ended around 2am (NiggyTardust giving Axl a run for his money)! CX Kidtronik did a short warm-up at midnight and stayed onstage to play us out after it was over.

Patience
Explain My Heart
Look to the Sun
Diagram
Grippo
Surrender (A Second to Think)
Give It Up
DNA/NiggyTardust!
Black Stacey
Triumph
Control Freak/African Student Movement/Coded Language
New Day
Volcanic Sunlight/poem from ", said the shotgun to the head"
List of Demands

There's also an awesome "street performance" Saul filmed in Toronto here (http://southernsouls.ca/saul-williams).

caca
03-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Son of a bitch. I didn't realize he was touring and missed his AZ show. Dah!

ManBurning
03-24-2012, 01:53 PM
I hit up the Vancouver show, but I have to admit, it wasn't as great as the time I saw him supporting Niggy Tardust.
Not sure, but the only song off of Volcanic sunlight I like is ROCKET, and he never ever played that one live.

I was extremely dissappointed in the lack of Niggy Tardust material, as that's the album that got me into him, but I went into the show knowing this was a tour supporting his new album. So on one hand, I kinda knew what to expect.

botley
03-24-2012, 05:58 PM
The new stuff is pretty good and his band does an amazing job of playing it live. But, from what I've seen, nothing connects with audiences like the material from his self-titled album does. Those songs just smash the crowd every time and always have.

uroboros
04-08-2012, 01:49 AM
Aloha! did the instrumental version of CONVICT COLONY ever surface? If so, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Mahalo!

wizfan
03-08-2013, 03:03 AM
Saul got an award for his performance in "Today". (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/senegalese-director-wins-african-oscar-425795) I admire the man so much.

Hazekiah
04-20-2013, 05:07 AM
Like I said in my recent bump of the Mindless Self Indulgence thread, I've been taking advantage of downtime stemming from a broken old camcorder rendering me unable to continue transferring my old DVC video bootleg tapes and A/V-synch complications with my newer HD gear to finally post some of my old footage I never got around to posting for whatever reason, yet happen to have sitting around ready to go anyway.

Which brings me here!

My Mic In port was broken in early '08 so I couldn't use my external mic and had to rely upon the crappy built-ins, but when I heard Saul Williams was bringing Niggy Tardust to our nation's capitol I just COULD NOT resist. Absolutely HAD TO FILM IT in WHATEVER capacity.

And then I surveyed the venue. Gah!

The 9:30 Club is fuckin' AWESOME, but daaaaamn is it bootlegger-hostile. I saw LOTS of people getting shut down and harassed for simply taking pix with cellphones and disposable cameras so I knew there was no way in HELL they'd be cool about my camcorder. Ugh. So I went to the balcony and prepared to film discreetly from the rail but then at the last second fortuitously took notice of the fact that the venue had "spotters" with flashlights and radios communicating to the bouncers on the floor from little alcoves above and beside the stage!

Bah!

Unfortunately, there was no time to re-position and I just had to adjust and roll with it.

So I set my camcorder on the floor of the balcony and shot the whole show from between the bars of the railing by tilting the flipscreen up and nudging it around with my foot as needed, lol. Improv ftw!

I mean, kinda.

It was a supremely difficult chore to say the least, so it's occasionally off-center with no zooming whatsoever...but wtf, it is what it is.

Which, btw, was a FANTASTIC fucking show.

He killed it, brought his daughter out, she killed it, and they even did "Gunshots by Computer" from Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D, so FUCKYEAH, whatever it takes, right?

Plus, what with the direct involvement of my boot in the process, it's about as "bootlegged" as a bootleg can be, so y'gotta love that, lol.

;)

Anyway, I'm not too up-to-speed with song titles so if anyone could help a nigga out with an accurate setlist that'd be MUCH appreciated.

In the meantime, here you go!



Saul Williams
live in Washington D.C., VA
04/07/08


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdofTHefTfo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-EVSiR8BbE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0VV8QmtZkU

elevenism
04-24-2013, 11:08 AM
There is a Blackalicious song featuring Zach de la Rocha and Saul called Release. This is my favorite thing he's ever done. I would link to it, but i can't seem to find it anymore.

Wolfkiller
04-24-2013, 02:58 PM
Aloha! did the instrumental version of CONVICT COLONY ever surface? If so, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Mahalo!

Or the demo "War At Once" ? GIMME DAT.

ninedead
06-24-2013, 09:23 PM
was just thinking about the niggy tardust album and was wondering if anyone knew the updated numbers on that album? all i can find are numbers from jan 08 two months after its release. anyone know if the numbers got better or stayed the same?

BrokenSpiral
06-24-2013, 09:30 PM
I hadn't listened to this in awhile but I had the U2 cover stick in my head a couple days ago. That was great. I need to revisit that album. Those were such good times.

eversonpoe
06-25-2013, 09:22 AM
in case you haven't visited it, there's been a lot of comparison of saul and the new kanye album (some people drawing positive connections, some negative). i personally haven't heard the new kanye album, but if you're interested in some discussion, head over to that thread and go back a page or two.

fillow
01-13-2014, 07:43 AM
Break into NiggyT into DNA into WTF is so fucking awesome.
I love this combo more than any at any NIN album.

imail724
01-13-2014, 07:16 PM
Break into NiggyT into DNA into WTF is so fucking awesome.
I love this combo more than any at any NIN album.
More than Ruiner>The Becoming>I Do Not Want This?

johnbron
01-13-2014, 08:07 PM
More than Ruiner>The Becoming>I Do Not Want This?
This is my favorite EVER! :)

Ryan
01-13-2014, 08:21 PM
Did anyone else notice the introduction to the NiggyT track was cut off on the non-digital version? I haven't listened to the album in a while, but I remember I ended up deleting the digital version but kept the digital NiggyT to keep the spoken word intro that they cut from the CD version for whatever reason.

/completist

BenAkenobi
01-14-2014, 01:52 AM
This is my favorite EVER! :)

complete opposite here :D


...to keep the spoken word intro that they cut from the CD version for whatever reason.

though, it's present on promo CD

skullboy0
04-07-2014, 03:38 PM
Saul Williams to Star in Tupac-Inspired Musical
'Holler If Ya Hear Me' will hit Broadway this summer

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/saul-williams-to-star-in-tupac-inspired-musical-20140407 (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/saul-williams-to-star-in-tupac-inspired-musical-20140407)

Fredy_Brown
04-07-2014, 06:44 PM
Has anybody seen Aujourd'hui? PM welcome for you know what...THX

skullboy0
04-28-2014, 06:54 PM
Saul's going to be on The Colbert Report Thursday.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/guests/saul-williams

Charmingly Miserable
04-28-2014, 09:56 PM
Just want to say that I loved the Saul/Trent bromance that Meathead created back in the day.

skullboy0
07-14-2014, 09:41 PM
"Tupac Musical 'Holler If Ya Hear Me' Meets Swift Demise on Broadway"

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/6157600/tupac-musical-holler-if-ya-hear-me-meets-swift-demise-on-broadway?utm_source=twitter

wizfan
07-14-2014, 09:47 PM
That's too bad. It looked interesting and ambitious.

botley
07-15-2014, 03:44 AM
It was amazing. I saw a preview and enjoyed myself immensely. A breath of fresh air on the Great White Way. Too bad more people won't get to see Saul in that role, he killed it. Broadway's a friggin' rough business.

skullboy0
07-22-2014, 10:46 AM
"Saul Williams: Why Broadway's Tupac Musical Closed Early

'Holler If Ya Hear Me' closed after only one month and 55 performances. The musical's lead thinks he knows why"

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/saul-williams-details-why-the-tupac-musical-closed-20140721

skullboy0
09-25-2014, 01:37 PM
http://blog.amtrak.com/amtrakresidency/

"Saul Williams is an award-winning poet, musician, actor, and performer. He recently starred in the Broadway musical, Holler if Ya Hear Me. and is currently working on an untitled book of poetry on America, commissioned by Gallery Books, and his forthcoming album Martyr Loser King. He is a graduate of Morehouse College and New York University's Tisch School of the Arts."

fillow
09-25-2014, 02:06 PM
New album finally? Neat!

uroboros
01-19-2015, 01:04 PM
Saul drops a new song from the forth coming album, Martyr Loser King, & an essay in honor of MLK day.

http://www.thefader.com/2015/01/19/read-saul-williams-mlk-day-essay-and-hear-his-new-haleek-maul-collaboration

imail724
01-19-2015, 01:48 PM
Saul drops a new song from the forth coming album, Martyr Loser King, & an essay in honor of MLK day.

http://www.thefader.com/2015/01/19/read-saul-williams-mlk-day-essay-and-hear-his-new-haleek-maul-collaboration
Holy shit that's good. I had lost some interest in Saul after Volcanic Sunlight, but this sounds like a return to form.

kleiner
01-19-2015, 04:42 PM
Great to hear some new work from him! It feels like a long time since Volcanic Sunlight (which I actually rather enjoyed, but I definitely see why it's considered less than his other work).

imail724
03-24-2015, 04:04 PM
https://vimeo.com/122190466

GlitchyFlame
03-24-2015, 04:25 PM
https://vimeo.com/122190466
After the boring pop-hop mess of Volcanic Sunlight, this is definitely a great return to form. I'm really looking forward to this record!

kel
03-24-2015, 07:55 PM
i didn't realize how much people dislike volcanic sunlight. "triumph" was probably my favorite song released in 2011.

BRoswell
03-24-2015, 09:36 PM
Volcanic Sunlight was my least favorite album of his thus far, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I think the problem is that anything after Niggy Tardust was going to be a bit of a disappointment.

Merriweather
03-25-2015, 01:38 PM
I liked Volcanic Sunlight but I remember reading a review of it that said it had no sense of urgency compared to Saul's other albums, and I totally agreed with that opinion.

Rdm
04-12-2015, 12:55 AM
So I bought tickets to the show but I'm a bit confused. Is he in a new band or is this the name of his new album. When I bought the tickets it says Martry loser king featuring saul williams

Rdm
04-14-2015, 01:41 PM
With some research I found out MartyrLoserKing will be the character in his concept album "MartyrLoserKing". This article explains everything

http://entertainment.suntimes.com/entertainment-news/saul-wiliams/

Also confirms he will be playing with a live band this tour.

JessicaSarahS
04-14-2015, 11:44 PM
So I bought tickets to the show but I'm a bit confused. Is he in a new band or is this the name of his new album. When I bought the tickets it says Martry loser king featuring saul williams

Are you going to the SF show? I'll be there too.

Rdm
04-21-2015, 12:49 AM
Are you going to the SF show? I'll be there too.


YUp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kst007CaqiQ&ab_channel=DavidVan

http://martyrloserking.com/post/114792656768/coltan-as-cotton

BRoswell
04-21-2015, 11:34 AM
http://pitchfork.com/news/59355-saul-williams-teams-with-warpaints-emily-kokal-on-burundi/

imail724
04-21-2015, 02:17 PM
Still no cover art/tracklist/release date/etc.?

Rdm
04-26-2015, 08:20 PM
I saw Sauls's show last night and while it was good and Intimate the show lacked overall in many ways. For instance, he played only songs from his new album,not one song from any other album, and while I usually wouldn't care but the album isn't even out yet so it was a bit strange trying to connect to the show. Another thing that was weird was he only played for 45 minutes, and at the end of the last song " he gets arrested and carried off the stage". Literally everyone in the whole crowd thought he was coming out and then bam the house lights came on......it was extremely anticlimactic. One thing I really enjoyed, but everyone else in the back or upstairs must have hated, was soon as the show started he jumped off stage and made a circle in the pit and started to perform right on floor in the middle of the circle. On a positive note, the new album sounds great, the beats are aggressive and creative-think of the album "Saul Williams". The lyrics I can't comment on them because I don't remember but they all flowed nicely and were melodic but were mostly "rhymes " not like how Niggy Tardust was kind of sung, if that makes sense.


The merchandise stand had one mustard yellow shirt with the cover art on it, and a poster of the tour with Saul's face drawled on it. I got both because I wanted to support Saul and I kind of liked it.

imail724
06-09-2015, 02:17 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/vice-exclusive-saul-williams-will-make-your-stupid-ass-think-about-important-stuff-141

This album is going to be incredible. Amazing return to form.

BRoswell
08-07-2015, 01:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87AWUJXRA3Y

imail724
10-07-2015, 09:09 AM
There's another new song called Horn Of The Clock-Bike floating around. You can hear it on Spotify here:
https://play.spotify.com/artist/11K0HIZKfdB6ez0VhIgxPm

Apparently there is also an EP called We Are Riled. We Are Spitting Hot. Money, Money, Green Where the Land Was out there, but I can't for the life of me find where it's available legally.

Edit: I found it here (http://www.daytrotter.com/#!/concert/saul-williams/21022437-6273), but it seems you need to be a member to download the full thing. But you can hear Think Like They Book Say without being a member.

laci
10-19-2015, 06:06 AM
Saul played in Budapest, Hungary a few days ago with the David Murray Infinity Quartet. It was an amazing performance. I had the opportunity to make a short interview with him (he only had a few minutes, because the band members were tired and had jetlag - they just arrived from the United States).

It will be available in Hungarian language, but if anyone interested, I would love to release it in English. We talked about Lennon/Ono, other artists, NiggyTardust and Year Zero as well.

I am a music journalist in Hungary, but I don't know where to publish it in English. Any help would be appreciated. :)
my address: laszlo.reszegi@gmail.com
Thanks.

WorzelG
10-19-2015, 07:00 AM
Saul played in Budapest, Hungary a few days ago with the David Murray Infinity Quartet. It was an amazing performance. I had the opportunity to make a short interview with him (he only had a few minutes, because the band members were tired and had jetlag - they just arrived from the United States).

It will be available in Hungarian language, but if anyone interested, I would love to release it in English. We talked about Lennon/Ono, other artists, NiggyTardust and Year Zero as well.

I am a music journalist in Hungary, but I don't know where to publish it in English. Any help would be appreciated. :)
my address: laszlo.reszegi@gmail.com
Thanks.
Wish I could help but I would love to read it

wizfan
10-25-2015, 12:22 AM
Love how these two videos are connected. It's weird that the first was uploaded on FADER's account and the second on Saul's VEVO. Anyway...

Burundi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeFm3Oda5hw

wizfan
10-25-2015, 12:23 AM
Horn of the Clock-Bike:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3x6pxpwd_w

BRoswell
10-25-2015, 01:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXovomvkBXU

wizfan
10-26-2015, 01:22 PM
Extremely slow 9-minute version of "Burundi".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i95l2gHYGUA

laci
10-29-2015, 06:58 AM
Here's my interview with Saul Williams: http://recorder.blog.hu/2015/10/28/_szamomra_yoko_ono_a_szuper_punk_saul_williams-interju
It's in Hungarian, but can see my concert photos as well. :)

If anyone know a site where I can publish it in English, please let me know. Thanks.

imail724
12-11-2015, 02:54 PM
Finally have an album cover, tracklist, and release date: Jan 29, 2016
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018FURS6A?ie=UTF8&ref_=httpcarolcom-20

BRoswell
12-12-2015, 12:22 PM
New track posted: The Noise Came From Here (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/the-noise-came-from-here)

wizfan
12-12-2015, 02:40 PM
Wow, almost half the album has been released. I'll hold off from now on, I've already spoiled myself too much. :)

SIR.LONDONCLEANLILY
12-14-2015, 04:09 PM
I came here in hopes that Saul was up to something to redeem himself since that God awful Volcanic Sunlight record. Having checked out the three new songs it appears his descent continues. His new stuff is so bad it makes me sort of not enjoy the old stuff. He needs to go kick it with Rick Rubin and CX again! This is just garbage.

screwdriver
12-14-2015, 05:33 PM
New track posted: The Noise Came From Here (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/the-noise-came-from-here)

that was pretty cool, but seemed like it was building to something that never came

BRoswell
01-14-2016, 05:38 PM
Think Like They Book Say (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/think-like-they-book-say)

eversonpoe
01-14-2016, 05:43 PM
Think Like They Book Say (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/think-like-they-book-say)

holy fucking shit, i love this song.

BRoswell
01-17-2016, 04:41 PM
Sinners vs. The Losers (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/sinners-vs-the-losers)

scorpiusdiamond
01-19-2016, 08:59 PM
https://twitter.com/saulwilliams/status/689621327729205248
So that was a weird thing to happen to me today.
edit: here's that review - http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2016/01/20/saul-williams-martyr-loser-king-fader-label/

theSplinter04
01-21-2016, 01:25 PM
drip drip

might be even better than I expected it to be.

kleiner
01-21-2016, 03:42 PM
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/20/463736514/first-listen-saul-williams-martyrloserking?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Streaming on NPR

Edit: Anyone know if it's a mistake that this is only 8 bucks on Amazon on vinyl?

Edit-edit: Anyone else think this is the best thing he's done?

Uneven Stephen
01-22-2016, 04:26 PM
Yep, this is def my new favorite album from Saul. Can't stop listening to it.

Deadpool
01-23-2016, 01:07 PM
To those that have listened to MartyrLoserKing: did THESE MTHRFCKRS (https://vimeo.com/122190466) make it on to the album? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice! If it did, I'm fine with being surprised by which track it's on :)

staleincense
01-24-2016, 08:56 PM
Holy shit, The Bear/Coltan as Cotton and Ashes are great

Demogorgon
01-25-2016, 09:24 AM
drip drip

might be even better than I expected it to be.

where? my usual sources show nothing, and a google search will lead me through a sideshow circus of malware and pop up ad pages.

Khrz
01-25-2016, 09:47 AM
To those that have listened to MartyrLoserKing: did THESE MTHRFCKRS (https://vimeo.com/122190466) make it on to the album? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice! If it did, I'm fine with being surprised by which track it's on :)

Nope, ten characters !

Deadpool
01-25-2016, 11:32 AM
Nope, ten characters !

Dammit. :( :( :(
I love THESE MTHRFCKRS

imail724
01-25-2016, 01:13 PM
Dammit. :( :( :(
I love THESE MTHRFCKRS
http://www.daytrotter.com/#!/concert/saul-williams/21022437-6273

kleiner
01-25-2016, 05:03 PM
where? my usual sources show nothing, and a google search will lead me through a sideshow circus of malware and pop up ad pages.

Safest bet is sticking to the official NPR stream (linked in this thread and across all of Saul's social media) until the commercial release.

wizfan
01-28-2016, 08:01 PM
Hooooly shit, it was wonderful.

I listened to it alone in the middle of the night with headphones on, just like I had done with NiggyTardust when the free download popped up on nin.com (eight years ago? Time fuckin' flies). I'm glad he went back into the darkness instead of making another Volcanic Sunlight (which I loved for what it was, but, for the most part, it lacked the bite that drew me into Saul's music in the first place). Of course, there are beats here and there that sound CX-y, and the occasional Trent-y influence can be felt (like the droning guitar in Think Like They Book Say), but now they are only mere elements in Saul's broader sound.

I had tried to listen to as little of the album as possible, since I had spoiled myself by listening to ACSAO, Burundi and Clock-bike (and did so repeatedly due to their awesomeness). Now, I can honestly say I'm glad Saul made one of his best albums ever, packed with very clear and powerful messages, an amazing sonic palette (once again!) and, of course, Saul's breathtaking performances.

Welcome back, Niggy. (Nuthin'!) Shuddup.

r_k_f
02-01-2016, 11:34 AM
On the track Ashes, I wasn't sure if the phrase "Dancing on the corpses ashes" was a term borrowed by At the Drive In from somewhere else or something they came up with... I tweeted Saul if it was a nod to ATDI in and he fav'd it? I tweeted Cedric what he thought about the track and his response was "On point!"
Regardless, real good track... I'm liking this album.

theimage13
02-01-2016, 11:40 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/31/464613733/with-martyrloserking-saul-williams-aimed-to-make-a-modern-day-parable

Interview with him re: the album.

Rdm
02-05-2016, 12:43 PM
The first half of the album i really like. The second half I'm still digesting but I do think this is one of Saul's better records.

cashpiles (closed)
02-05-2016, 02:35 PM
This album will be in rotation. I really like "All Coltrane Solos At Once." I better dig in to the lyrics here. Lots of (messages/information) (filtered through/contained in) Saul's artistic creation. Truth is uncompromising. I watched an interview with Saul where he talked about style and substance. What Saul does is use style to package the truths he wants to tell. He compared this to commercial artists who use style to package what they think people want to hear. He talked about striking a balance between style and substance. Without an interesting style, not many people will want to hear your message. So he basically uses style as a tool to propagate his messages.

I feel like I want to link in to his network as many of us have linked in to Trent's. What I mean is, we have explored many of Trent's interests, inspirations and ideologies/beliefs. I want to do this with Saul. I'm especially interested in the books he has read.

He also worked with Kanye West during the making of 808s and Heartbreaks. The genius of Kanye is that he recognizes excellence and he tries to absorb it into his creative arsenal in order to better himself as an artist.

eversonpoe
02-05-2016, 05:10 PM
On the track Ashes, I wasn't sure if the phrase "Dancing on the corpses ashes" was a term borrowed by At the Drive In from somewhere else or something they came up with... I tweeted Saul if it was a nod to ATDI in and he fav'd it? I tweeted Cedric what he thought about the track and his response was "On point!"
Regardless, real good track... I'm liking this album.

listening on vinyl right now and it's quite good. wish it came with a download code or an amazon auto-rip, but oh well.

anyway, in the liner notes, it specifically credits that line with being from the ATDI song as a lyrical sample. so it was definitely intentionally used from "invalid litter dept." (which was the first ATDI song i ever heard and is still my favorite).

r_k_f
02-08-2016, 10:32 AM
I love the line in Burundi "Treaties don't negate the fact you're dealing stolen property"...

Deadpool
02-08-2016, 12:50 PM
Anyone else participate in Saul's recent AMA (https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/4477at/ama_this_is_saul_williams_ask_me_anything/)? (AMAs are the only time I'm ever on reddit personally)

He answered my question which was "Why leave THESE MTHRFCKRS off MartyrLoserKing?" His cryptic response = "it belongs to the future"

Making that answer even more cryptic, he said earlier in the AMA that THESE MTHRFCKRS is the song he's most proud of. Very interesting.

scorpiusdiamond
02-09-2016, 11:14 AM
Anyone else participate in Saul's recent AMA (https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/4477at/ama_this_is_saul_williams_ask_me_anything/)? (AMAs are the only time I'm ever on reddit personally)

He answered my question which was "Why leave THESE MTHRFCKRS off MartyrLoserKing?" His cryptic response = "it belongs to the future"

Making that answer even more cryptic, he said earlier in the AMA that THESE MTHRFCKRS is the song he's most proud of. Very interesting.

He's already confirmed that there's going to be a part two. Let's hope it materialises sooner than Year Zero 2 didn't.

imail724
02-09-2016, 12:06 PM
He's already confirmed that there's going to be a part two. Let's hope it materialises sooner than Year Zero 2 didn't.
Let's not get our hopes up. See Bowie's Outside 2, QOTSA's Like Clockwork 2, obviously YZ2

BRoswell
02-18-2016, 01:34 PM
Handwritten lyrics for MartyrLoserKing are now available to download:

http://saulwilliams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/MLK-handwritten-web.pdf

kleiner
02-18-2016, 03:13 PM
http://www.npr.org/sections/microphonecheck/2016/02/17/467088198/saul-williams-lets-go-further-and-further-out?utm_term=music&utm_content=buffer7fb3a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Part 2 of MLK next year with the graphic novel which is being made right now. Can't wait.

BRoswell
02-23-2016, 11:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrgACZ_YBU

kleiner
02-23-2016, 10:36 PM
I'm really loving every video for this. This project seems like his most cohesive, by far. It's just great. I cannot wait to get more videos, tour dates, whatever it is the guy throws at us. The whole MLK project seems like something he's put a lot into and is as passionate about it as anyone is.

wizfan
02-25-2016, 06:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJMRPybQKjs

So good, even Saul himself liked it!

scorpiusdiamond
03-05-2016, 05:14 PM
I saw Saul last night.
Jesus Christ, one of the best shows I've ever seen.
Don't miss him live.
My highlight was him jumping into the crowd and singing Burundi with me.
Yep.

kleiner
03-05-2016, 05:23 PM
I saw Saul last night.
Jesus Christ, one of the best shows I've ever seen.
Don't miss him live.
My highlight was him jumping into the crowd and singing Burundi with me.
Yep.

Well color me jealous. What part of Burundi did you get to sing? It's by far my favorite song on MLK. I'm really hoping he announces a more thorough NA tour and that I get the chance to finally see the man.

scorpiusdiamond
03-06-2016, 08:27 PM
"Swoosh! I'm a candle!" of course.
Image here (https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12814560_10156420851990467_6396826348074797008_n.j pg?oh=082678b0a79e11abccf0ea679c14bcf0&oe=574B9945), as I can't shrink it down to be anything less than massive on here, I'm the idiot on the far left

BRoswell
03-08-2016, 03:54 PM
The Noise Came From Here (Masego Remix) (https://soundcloud.com/saul_williams-1/the-noise-came-from-here-masego-remix)

botley
03-17-2016, 12:29 AM
Fucking amazing album. So full of humanity and passion. I had to buy it, on a COMPACT DISC no less. A rarity now, even for me.

BRoswell
03-18-2016, 01:50 PM
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/saul-williams-interview-2016

BRoswell
03-23-2016, 01:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuNyEzQUhuo

kleiner
03-23-2016, 02:37 PM
I'm getting pretty hopeful that we'll get a video for every song, at the rate he's going. Loving all of this stuff. This feels like everything he was going for on Niggy Tardust taken to another level and realized in a really powerful way. One of the more exciting projects going on at the moment that's on my radar, for sure.

wizfan
03-23-2016, 03:13 PM
When his rings appeared, I was like "NIGGYTARDUST!!!!1!1"

heavenly_bearded
03-28-2016, 05:06 PM
Just bought tickets to No One Ever Does live in St. Paul. Looks like it's Saul singing to the Mivos string quartet. One night only, should be interesting.

http://www.liquidmusicseries.org/saul-williams-and-mivos-quartet-no-one-ever-does/

ziltoid
05-08-2016, 01:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfOorR606CI

kleiner
06-03-2016, 01:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1GIRi2c5ik

This got talked about in some Salon interview he did where he mentioned a lot more about the whole MLK storyline and comic book he's working on. So glad to see that so far he's still got the ball rolling for this project. I think it's his most interesting work so far by far.

BRoswell
06-29-2016, 01:18 PM
Remix album coming July 15th:
http://www.thefourohfive.com/music/article/saul-williams-is-releasing-a-remix-album-146

Deadpool
06-29-2016, 01:43 PM
Finally getting an official release of "These Mthrfckrs"!! :D

BRoswell
07-08-2016, 06:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVeq-_uj0WM

kleiner
07-16-2016, 01:26 PM
Anyone know how to find These Mthrfckrs outside of Apple Music/iTunes? Can't find anything on the label's site or Saul's site or Amazon, either.

wizfan
08-15-2016, 05:50 AM
This track is definitely NOT The Noise Came from Here. It seems to be the self-titled track MartyrLoserKing, cut from the final album. It doesn't appear on the remix album, either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBgCThCsA8

kleiner
08-15-2016, 02:42 PM
wizfan holy shit, what a great find. I'm strongly hoping that'll be on the follow-up album he's been talking about, because that is great, and reminds me a lot more of the Niggy Tardust sound actually.

imail724
08-15-2016, 03:23 PM
This track is definitely NOT The Noise Came from Here. It seems to be the self-titled track MartyrLoserKing, cut from the final album. It doesn't appear on the remix album, either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBgCThCsA8
The song is called That's Whats Up. It was released on the EP that came out a little before the album, We Are Riled. We Are Spitting Hot. Money, Money, Green Where The Land Was.

pcpunk
08-17-2016, 03:17 PM
where was that ep released? i can't find anything on it.

wizfan
08-18-2016, 02:46 PM
where was that ep released? i can't find anything on it.

Right here. (http://www.daytrotter.com/saul-williams/room-17-september-25-2015.html)
And it's got early/demo versions of MLK songs, too. Horn of the Clock-Bike has a rawer and more aggressive vocal performance.

BRoswell
09-17-2016, 12:39 PM
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/494108672/saul-williams-tiny-desk-concert

heavenly_bearded
09-23-2016, 02:38 PM
Just bought tickets to No One Ever Does live in St. Paul. Looks like it's Saul singing to the Mivos string quartet. One night only, should be interesting.

http://www.liquidmusicseries.org/saul-williams-and-mivos-quartet-no-one-ever-does/

Videos for 2 of the 3 songs played that evening were posted a while back by The Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra. The third song was a mix of many of Saul's different lyrics from Niggy Tardust woven into a poem with similar music playing. It's too bad there isn't a video for it, at least not that I can find.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndSSk904znQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enpw8LPREwk

Merriweather
11-18-2016, 01:28 PM
The Martyr Loser King graphic novel has a date. 2019!

So don't hold your breath for it.

https://electricliterature.com/saul-williams-is-going-on-a-tangent-14ad093e2906#.8jmwp1o6k

kleiner
11-18-2016, 06:27 PM
I'm just thrilled to see that it's definitely happening. I love this project so far and love comics, so it's pretty ideal for me.

wizfan
11-18-2016, 08:32 PM
He obviously doesn't want to rush this. Take your time, Saul... gah! Three years. I can't wait...

pcpunk
11-18-2016, 09:12 PM
If it comes out the first quarter of 2019, that's only about two and a half years! It's practically here!

wizfan
01-20-2017, 06:33 PM
Wow, JUST found this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_5VAKdHMek

And this pretty badass remix. Anyone else getting "HTDA - How Long? music video" vibes from Saul's picture?

https://soundcloud.com/a-tribe-called-red/the-virus-feat-saul-williams-chippewa-travellers-the-very-best-remix

SM Rollinger
01-04-2018, 12:59 PM
Two and a half months later...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEqHv2z2w14

It was VERY windy, so I apologize for the extra noise. Also, in case you dint feel like showing up, this was a spoken word performance.

sonic_discord
01-04-2018, 02:17 PM
Two and a half months later...

That was September 15, not September 5. (Just a friendly FYI)

SM Rollinger
01-04-2018, 02:58 PM
That was September 15, not September 5. (Just a friendly FYI)
lol thanks, i fixed it :)

BRoswell
03-01-2018, 06:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXBDZFtMcbg

NotoriousTIMP
03-01-2018, 10:21 PM
tickets go on sale tomorrow for the only LA date that has Saul and The Kills on the same bill.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kills-reveal-songs-list-demands-190022276.html

DVYDRNS
03-02-2018, 05:53 PM
better than the original version. thats for sure.

imail724
03-02-2018, 10:46 PM
better than the original version. thats for sure.Not even close

eversonpoe
03-03-2018, 12:12 AM
better than the original version. thats for sure.

dude, i normally agree with you on most things but definitely not on this. sorry for the facepalm, but it felt necessary :p

bobbie solo
03-03-2018, 02:45 AM
better than the original version. thats for sure.

hahahaa I'm not a huge fan of Saul Williams but List of Demands is a breakthrough and important song culturally in the black community, part. with the intellectual sect. Nice troll.

DVYDRNS
03-03-2018, 10:44 PM
I like the kills. I don’t like Saul Williams.


Let let go of your hatred. Let it floowwwwwwww ������

imail724
03-04-2018, 12:31 AM
I like the kills. I don’t like Saul Williams.


Let let go of your hatred. Let it floowwwwwwww ������Why post in the Saul Williams thread if you're not a fan? I wouldn't go into the Linkin Park thread just to say they suck.

botley
06-19-2018, 01:39 PM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/saulwilliams/neptune-frost

Demogorgon
06-19-2018, 01:44 PM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/saulwilliams/neptune-frost

Well, that's... interesting.

BRoswell
06-19-2018, 01:47 PM
Weird. I was just reading an interview with him around the time MartyrLoserKing was coming out where he talked about doing something like this. It certainly sounds interesting, so I will definitely keep an eye on this.

otnavuskire
06-19-2018, 02:21 PM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/saulwilliams/neptune-frost

My favorite part:


Pledge $100 or more


Potolo Dream


Potolo (the wheel-winged avatar) will chant an incantation into your dream on a special night at 11:11pm when you have fallen asleep earlier than planned. This incantation will dissolve all unwarranted doubts and fears for 72 hours which may be prolonged if you are able to recall the song from your dream.


ESTIMATED DELIVERY
Oct 2020

wizfan
06-19-2018, 06:40 PM
Why is nobody talking about the NiggyTardust vinyl signed by Saul and Trent??? OMFG

pcpunk
06-19-2018, 07:29 PM
I'm not talking about it because I can't afford it. I did throw down a $25 pledge, though.

armogi
07-14-2018, 02:29 PM
https://www.stereogum.com/2005541/saul-williams-the-flaw-you-worship/music/

wizfan
07-14-2018, 05:40 PM
https://www.stereogum.com/2005541/saul-williams-the-flaw-you-worship/music/

Wow. Holy crap. I would have NEVER thought of using the Amen Break like that.

imail724
10-09-2018, 11:28 AM
Oh shit

https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10536

wizfan
10-09-2018, 11:53 AM
Oh shit

https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10536

OH MY FUCKING GOD

...though I'm concerned that they used the CD master from Fader and not the original master, which was way better. I love that they just copied the tracklist from Wikipedia, even leaving in the text from the "[edit]" button.

Reznor2112
10-09-2018, 11:53 AM
Oh shit

https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10536

beat me to it! haha. Hopefully this thing isn't outrageously expensive like the vinyl reissue that popped up online recently.

imail724
10-09-2018, 11:56 AM
OH MY FUCKING GOD

...though I'm concerned that they used the CD master from Fader and not the original master, which was way better. I love that they just copied the tracklist from Wikipedia, even leaving in the text from the "[edit]" button.
Ah is that what they did? I thought it was odd that they specifically mentioned an "unreleased b-side", yet the tracklisting is identical to the previous release. Hopefully the b-side is actually something new.

theimage13
10-09-2018, 09:49 PM
Ah is that what they did? I thought it was odd that they specifically mentioned an "unreleased b-side", yet the tracklisting is identical to the previous release. Hopefully the b-side is actually something new.

Uhhhhh what?

I see five tracks (two new, a cover, and two releases from other albums) on the tracklisting.



1. "Pedagogue of Young Gods" – 3:18
2. "World on Wheels" – 1:27
3. "Can't Hide Love" (Earth, Wind & Fire) – 2:27
4. "Gunshots by Computer" – 1:44 (originally on Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D)
5. "List of Demands (Reparations)" – 3:18 (originally appeared on the album Saul Williams)

tricil
10-09-2018, 09:50 PM
Uhhhhh what?

I see five tracks (two new, a cover, and two releases from other albums) on the tracklisting.


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These were all on the CD issue as well.

theimage13
10-09-2018, 10:01 PM
These were all on the CD issue as well.

Ohhhhhhh, I never knew that. I bought the FLAC files when they were first released. Definitely didn't have those tracks. My bad.

tricil
10-09-2018, 10:02 PM
Ohhhhhhh, I never knew that. I bought the FLAC files when they were first released. Definitely didn't have those tracks. My bad.

Yeah the flac and mp3 from nin.com were the OG 14 tracks up to the ritual. When it came out in 2008 on cd it had the bonus tracks.

katara
10-10-2018, 01:26 PM
IIRC some of the tracks on the CD are cut slightly differently. No huge differences (a few seconds here and there), but noteworthy all the same if you're a collector.

ImTheWiseJanitor
10-10-2018, 01:40 PM
The weirdest part about the bonus tracks on the CD release was probably the fact that two of them were already readily available elsewhere - and on full-length releases, not just on a b-side somewhere. “List of Demands,” as far as I could tell, was tacked on there solely because it was used in some popular sports commercial at the time of release. Such a strange and obviously marketing-driven choice.

I’m excited though! Count me in. Curious to find out more about it before RSD. I’ll probably snag one either way though, especially if it’s gonna be under $100 and actually available in a brick and mortar store.

fillow
10-10-2018, 02:28 PM
Always wanted to ask - were Can't Hide Love and World on Wheels recorded with Trent during Niggy sessions?

botley
10-10-2018, 03:50 PM
Always wanted to ask - were Can't Hide Love and World on Wheels recorded with Trent during Niggy sessions?

Yes. Same production team.

tricil
10-10-2018, 07:01 PM
Yes. Same production team.

Yup. I remember a TR interview before the CD issue came out and they said they did two covers “one you’ve heard (u2), and one you haven’t (can’t hide love)

deadwinterskies
10-10-2018, 09:46 PM
Hopefully this thing isn't outrageously expensive like the vinyl reissue that popped up online recently.

It's listed as a "Record Store Day first" and not a "RSD exclusive" so that should make it significantly easier to find at a reasonable price.

wizfan
10-11-2018, 08:49 AM
botley I remember comparing the Fader CD with the original FLAC release and realizing that Fader mastered the CD using the original MP3's, not the FLAC's, and that it sucked huge balls. Can you please confirm?

botley
10-11-2018, 09:48 AM
@botley (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=469) I remember comparing the Fader CD with the original FLAC release and realizing that Fader mastered the CD using the original MP3's, not the FLAC's, and that it sucked huge balls. Can you please confirm?

Don't own the CD, but I have the original vinyl pressing, maybe and I should take a look at the spectrals on a rip of that to see if there's lossy copmpression anywhere in the mastering chain. Would be a drag, but I don't remember it sounding all that amazing anyhow (surface is a bit noisy). The original FLAC is also my favourite version of the album.

MrLobster
10-11-2018, 11:02 AM
Don't own the CD, but I have the original vinyl pressing, maybe and I should take a look at the spectrals on a rip of that to see if there's lossy copmpression anywhere in the mastering chain. Would be a drag, but I don't remember it sounding all that amazing anyhow (surface is a bit noisy). The original FLAC is also my favourite version of the album.

I took a quick look at the waveform and it seems to be CD-limited levels (checked "DNA").

Max
10-25-2018, 07:32 PM
I just have to say it’s great to see people freaking out about Saul Williams. He’s incredibly gifted.

Wolfkiller
10-27-2018, 02:25 AM
Does anyone know if War At Once ever got released?

ImTheWiseJanitor
10-27-2018, 03:08 AM
I just have to say it’s great to see people freaking out about Saul Williams. He’s incredibly gifted.

Catching him in Atlanta when he came on stage for "Survivalism" and "Banged and Blown Through" in 2009 was probably one of the coolest random concert events I've ever experienced. I'd just been getting into him recently at the time (completely missed his time touring with NIN, it was just before I'd started listening to them) and was slowly digesting his discography, and being immediately pulled in by Niggy Tardust. I'll admit, knowing Trent produced it played a huge part in me checking Saul out, but since then I've been waiting and waiting for a chance to see him play a proper solo show. After reading a couple accounts of what his concerts are like, I can only imagine what a blast they can be. Someday!

Gah damn, I was SO MAD when I eventually learned that Saul opened for NIN in Wichita, KS (30 minutes from where I lived, and all my friends were there) in 2006. I had heard they were coming nearby. So, the night of the show, checked out With Teeth for the first time, and after making it through "All The Love in The World," the rest is history. In hindsight, I'll bet my little 16 year old mind would have been BLOWN getting introduced to Saul a couple years earlier than I was.

I'd actually be ECSTATIC to see Saul tour with NIN again. I feel like right now would even be a fantastically poignant time for those two to join forces on-stage.

ImTheWiseJanitor
11-18-2018, 09:32 PM
Just for everyone’s information: local record store is pricing the Niggy Tardust reissue at $26 on Record Store Day. A fucking STEAL if I’ve ever seen one.

zecho
11-19-2018, 12:05 PM
Just for everyone’s information: local record store is pricing the Niggy Tardust reissue at $26 on Record Store Day. A fucking STEAL if I’ve ever seen one.

Just to be clear, Record Store Day isn't until April, right? Like, I'm not missing something, right?

ImTheWiseJanitor
11-19-2018, 12:30 PM
Just to be clear, Record Store Day isn't until April, right? Like, I'm not missing something, right?

Well, I meant the upcoming Black Friday RSD. As far as I’ve known it’s happened every year for a while! Sorry I didn’t clarify, though. These will be available this coming Friday. But if I remember correctly, these are a “RSD first” release, meaning we may be seeing more pressings afterward?

imail724
11-23-2018, 09:14 AM
Got to my store around 7:20 this morning and there was already a line of about 20 people. As soon as the doors opened I hightailed it for the Saul record beause that was the priority and grabbed either the last one or the only one. As I'm grabbing it some guy asks if that was the only one then a few minutes later I hear another guy asking for it so I got here just in time. I'm happy.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181123/4284649bce414edd327e169fa3076864.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181123/c9fdf2f30f8e398b041d5ef063fbd01a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181123/51f407e88e29548015160e961502ec22.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181123/b6b520c0c8bf60909729196eeb7e7c3c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181123/9f7ddddc00fcfa9c156d81d71ccedab0.jpg

trollmanen
11-24-2018, 12:31 AM
Got the last copy at my store this morning, and I got there nearly an hour after they opened. Good quality pressing and package, nice that some care went into this. I noticed that the spoken word intro (apparently voiced by Alan Moulder) before Niggy Tardust isn't present on this vinyl version. I used to have an original pressing but I don't remember if it was missing there or not. This pressing sounds very good, definitely glad I sold my original a while back and ended up with this reissue.

botley
11-24-2018, 01:55 AM
I noticed that the spoken word intro (apparently voiced by Alan Moulder) before Niggy Tardust isn't present on this vinyl version. I used to have an original pressing but I don't remember if it was missing there or not. This pressing sounds very good, definitely glad I sold my original a while back and ended up with this reissue.
It's not. Guess this is pressed from the same digital files as the original vinyl pressing... new inner artwork looks beautiful indeed! Love that spatter of starburst colour on the vinyl itself.

otnavuskire
11-24-2018, 07:43 AM
I ordered a copy on eBay for pretty close to what it would have been in store, as I'd have to drive over an hour to get to the nearest record store. Gas cost would probably be about the same as what I paid for shipping.

katara
11-25-2018, 02:51 PM
I noticed that the spoken word intro (apparently voiced by Alan Moulder) before Niggy Tardust isn't present on this vinyl version.
What spoken word intro? Never heard this...

botley
11-25-2018, 04:04 PM
What spoken word intro? Never heard this...
It's only on the original FLAC/MP3 download from 2007. "Ladies and gentlemen, it is with the greatest pleasure that I present... NiggyTardust."

ltrandazzo
11-26-2018, 03:04 PM
They had two copies left at Goner Records in Memphis so I was able to snag one on Saturday. Super fucking happy to own this on vinyl now.

_T_B_W_
11-26-2018, 03:27 PM
It's only on the original FLAC/MP3 download from 2007. "Ladies and gentlemen, it is with the greatest pleasure that I present... NiggyTardust."

Damn, I knew something was missing from the cd version, and idiotically replaced the original version for it. Time to track down the original download then.

pcpunk
11-26-2018, 08:01 PM
The original version had some slight edit differences. It may be worth your time to track it down. When I made my Saul playlist, I mixed download and cd tracks to make a ‘complete ‘ version of the album.

_T_B_W_
11-26-2018, 08:22 PM
The original version had some slight edit differences. It may be worth your time to track it down. When I made my Saul playlist, I mixed download and cd tracks to make a ‘complete ‘ version of the album.

I remember having the original version around the same time I also burned albums on CD-Rs for backup cases. Hoping to see if I did burn it I went through a bunch of them but unfortunately nothing for Saul.

imail724
11-26-2018, 09:52 PM
The original version had some slight edit differences. It may be worth your time to track it down. When I made my Saul playlist, I mixed download and cd tracks to make a ‘complete ‘ version of the album.What version of each song so you use? I never knew there were any differences aside from the intro to Niggy

brotha52
11-27-2018, 01:52 AM
Did anyone here back the Neptune Frost Kickstarter. I was just following up and saw they sent out a survey some time ago. Hoping I didn't miss out on the mixtape.

botley
11-27-2018, 06:47 AM
What version of each song so you use? I never knew there were any differences aside from the intro to Niggy
I think that intro's the only thing missing on the physical version, but it's been a while since I compared them. I do remember that the CD/vinyl has an ever-so-slightly longer outro for "Skin of a Drum" and a complete intro to "WTF!" (on the download it's cross-faded with the ending of "DNA").

pcpunk
11-27-2018, 08:55 AM
there really aren't many differences. like botley said, slightly different edits to a couple songs. I'd list which version of what track I used, but that was on an old iPod that I don't use anymore.

ElDee
11-27-2018, 09:59 AM
Would anyone be able to point me in the direction of the original niggy tardust flac version? I bought it back when it came out and have since lost it. I’ve been unable to find it anywhere.

_T_B_W_
11-27-2018, 11:33 AM
I'd like a source as well. I did find a couple of mega and mediafire links but are all dead.

pcpunk
11-27-2018, 11:53 AM
Did anyone here back the Neptune Frost Kickstarter. I was just following up and saw they sent out a survey some time ago. Hoping I didn't miss out on the mixtape.
I received the survey, but no updates since then.

botley
11-27-2018, 12:09 PM
Would anyone be able to point me in the direction of the original niggy tardust flac version? I bought it back when it came out and have since lost it. I’ve been unable to find it anywhere.


I'd like a source as well. I did find a couple of mega and mediafire links but are all dead.

Try a private music tracker. We can't share links here, it's against the rules.

wizfan
12-08-2018, 12:39 PM
It's only on the original FLAC/MP3 download from 2007. "Ladies and gentlemen, it is with the greatest pleasure that I present... NiggyTardust."

Just checked the Spotify version and... it's not there, either. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

botley
12-08-2018, 01:14 PM
Just checked the Spotify version and... it's not there, either. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
Pretty simple, the Fader Label licensed the album from Saul to put it out with bonus tracks in 2008, every version since then has that part cut out of it. It's literally only on the original independent download, every other version released since (streaming, CD, vinyl) is the Fader version with bonus tracks and no spoken intro.

NotoriousTIMP
12-08-2018, 05:06 PM
If anyone missed out on Niggy you can still pick up a copy from Turntable Lab (https://www.turntablelab.com/collections/vinyl-cds-date/products/saul-williams-the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust-colored-vinyl-vinyl-2lp-record-store-day)

ltrandazzo
12-13-2018, 10:17 PM
SO I've been listening to MartyrLoserKing a lot lately.

brotha52
12-16-2018, 10:40 AM
https://vimeo.com/306171499?fbclid=IwAR1V4HIkGhZgAL19eMfQ74KJ7Y6jBAL ch9IBzxI3k0eYILroUn2MJIrxSmo

botley
12-16-2018, 10:43 AM
^ Love that film, but there's no fucking way I am going to sit through the whole thing with Saul's album playing instead of the original audio, LOL. Interesting idea in theory, but probably a terrible way to spend two hours in actuality...

brotha52
12-18-2018, 02:12 PM
^ Love that film, but there's no fucking way I am going to sit through the whole thing with Saul's album playing instead of the original audio, LOL. Interesting idea in theory, but probably a terrible way to spend two hours in actuality...
This was actually my first exposure to the film and the artist. After 30 minutes, I spent the rest of the time researching Basquiat

imail724
06-26-2019, 02:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1_T6RcoBWs

Well this is unexpected. (https://saulwilliams.ffm.to/encrypted.oyd)

brotha52
06-30-2019, 12:04 AM
For those that contributed to the kickstarter. The mixtape was sent out. Here's the contents of the email, minus the link to the actual file.
Project Update #12: Neptune Frost by Saul Williams
Posted by sloan
Jun 29, 2019

Greetings One and All!
Last year around this time I was excited to announce the musical I’ve working on Neptune Frost & asked for your help. Today I’m please to announce that we will begin shooting in January, your rewards are on their way and the first I’d like to share with you now: the mixtape TOMORROW REVEALS TODAY. Forgive the delay. I needed to finish Encrypted & Vulnerable in order to determine which songs I could include on this mixtape. These are a collection of mostly late-night demos from Encrypted & Vulnerable and MartyrLoserKing sessions, unedited, with uncleared samples, yet otherwise all me. I share these ideas in raw form with both exuberance and humility. The difference between these songs and the album - which you will be able to hear on July 18th -is that these songs never crossed the mark of me calling in other friends and musicians to help me finish them. They are experiments only brought to completion through the act of deciding to share them with you. From my hard drive to yours. I’m sharing them under a singular index, as one complete listening experience, to avoid the sample police that may show up if I were to make an act of releasing them individually. Of course you're free to do as you choose. It's out of my hands... Enjoy!
Here’s a track list.
Tomorrow Reveals Today
What She Sees As Church
To Be Real
SXPWRVLNS
sinners vs. losers
So Much Anger
Uncontrollable Urges
Lift It Up
A Horse A Snake & Horns
Agents of Change
The Little Ones
Syrian Dust
Canteloupe
South Junior High
Everything -Rone ft. Saul Williams

brotha52
06-30-2019, 10:51 AM
In terms of uncleared samples, I wish I had a better ear for this. There's a few I can't quite catch yet but on So Much Anger there's a nice deep cut off a Gang Starr track

katara
06-30-2019, 12:08 PM
Are those who missed the Kickstarter SOL? I'd love to hear that tape...

BRoswell
06-30-2019, 01:11 PM
Are those who missed the Kickstarter SOL? I'd love to hear that tape...

I'm assuming he's fine with whatever happens to the tape now when he says "it's out of my hands". If someone wants to share it, I doubt it would be an issue, especially since there are unauthorized samples on it.

imail724
07-18-2019, 10:18 AM
Encrypted & Vulnerable available on all streaming platforms now.

BRoswell
07-20-2019, 04:12 PM
Digging some of the sounds on the new album, but it also feels like it meanders too much. I feel like it could have been a good, solid mind-punch had it been a little more concise.

botley
07-22-2019, 02:10 PM
Love this review (https://music.mxdwn.com/2019/07/21/reviews/saul-williams-encrypted-vulnerable/) of the new album. "Thought-provoking" and "synergistic" are great words to describe it.

rampface
07-23-2019, 01:07 AM
Anyone have a link to the split track mixtape? Would love to hear it. About to finally listen to the album...

BRoswell
07-23-2019, 07:19 PM
Anyone have a link to the split track mixtape? Would love to hear it. About to finally listen to the album...

I second this.

wizfan
08-03-2019, 07:34 PM
I like it! One of my few complaints about MartyrLoserKing is that it felt a bit too "safe" musically despite its (as always) excellent lyrics and performances, kind of like an edgier Volcanic Sunlight (which is still a guilty pleasure for me!). With this one, he seems to go bolder and weirder, and I hope he keeps up with this direction.

BTW, I have spotted the sample in "Before the War" in at least two other tracks (the latter actually produced by two friends of mine). I guess it's from a commercial sample library or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0VGPE1Htos

edit: the first link was taken down by its uploader just a few hours after I posted it, and I forgot its title. It wasn't even saved in my youtube watch history.

eversonpoe
08-04-2019, 09:52 AM
i can't remember which track it is but i think it's the first song on the new album that contains a sample from "something of an end" by my brightest diamond.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzLizeKB2k

BRoswell
09-18-2019, 12:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpQ6fho3rqo

katara
09-18-2019, 01:20 PM
Dare
That whole song sounded like an intro. No climax, no resolution. Props for being experimental, I'm just not sure I'm into it.

botley
09-18-2019, 03:09 PM
That whole song sounded like an intro. No climax, no resolution. Props for being experimental, I'm just not sure I'm into it.

Dude, you gotta hear the whole album. It's a WILD trip!

katara
09-20-2019, 12:35 PM
Gave the new album a spin. The singles work so much better in context. I haven't given it enough time to formulate an opinion, although I did enjoy what I heard. Almost Massive Attack-like in places.

botley
09-21-2019, 06:42 AM
Saul is producing the next Tanya Tagaq album and I'm so erect.

wizfan
09-23-2019, 07:34 AM
Saul is producing the next Tanya Tagaq album and I'm so erect.

Awesome news! Saul is a lauded poet and performer but he doesn't get enough credit for his music writing and production.

Still haven't delved deeper into the new album. It's definitely one of Saul's more enigmatic releases; MartyrLosrKing was excellent, but it played it a bit too safe in places, and needed some grit. Encrypted & Vulnerable is a puzzle that feels like a more subtle version of NiggyTardust's feel; just as angry and frustrated with the world, but in a more "encrypted and vulnerable" way, if that makes sense. It's like the times have become so scary and depressing that making a NiggyTardust 2 would be futile, so, instead, the narrator (maybe MartyrLosrKing, maybe one of his followers, maybe something else entirely) "encrypts" his rage inside these songs. Still, no kind of encryption is completely invulnerable, with hackers everywhere...

Another meaning would be that the hacker-protagonist is actually trying to unlock the secrets of the government, housed in an encrypted, but vulnerable way, and it's up to the listener to decode it. I know I'm reading too much into the title and not the songs themselves, and that's because... it's too early. If I start dissecting the songs, it could take me seven thousand posts. :P