Random NIN Thoughts

[r_z]

[WITH_TEETH] remixes were tedious for the most part. Almost no creativity in them whatsoever apart from El-P's mix of Only and Photek's THTF [ruff mix]. Right Where It Belongs v2 is great, though, but we all know why that is!

Don't forget the DFA one! Though I never quite understood why they placed the vocals off beat. Also, I like Richard X's remix a lot, too. It's his signature sound of hard hitting drums combined with dirty synthesizers, while he somehow manages to give it that clean and crispy sound. Bought his album recently and was suprised about how "80s" it felt (in a positive way).

[NINfanatic82]

I have heard the same thing, heard they will be doing an overseas tour then come to the U.S., prob wont be til late this year before they get to the U.S., but I've got all of the alerts on ready to buy some tickets! And yes, I am def ready for some new NIN to jam to!! Def excited for what's to come!! Pretty stoked to hear Robin Finck is on the tour list as well!!

[theimage13]

NIN and Paul McCartney are headlining the same festival. The following scenario seems like an obvious winner to me:

NIN's set: Paul joins them to play bass on Piggy.
PM's set: Trent joins them to play harpsichord on Piggies.

Makes sense, right?

[botley]

NIN and Paul McCartney are headlining the same festival. The following scenario seems like an obvious winner to me:

NIN's set: Paul joins them to play bass on Piggy.
PM's set: Trent joins them to play harpsichord on Piggies.

Makes sense, right?
Macca was doing the one-man band (http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/x22vz3_paul-mccartney-coming-up_music) thing WAY before Trent.

[henryeatscereal]

Hipster Paul > Hipster Trent...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/61741c23bb6de8f5ea81337ee6ae5d7c/tumblr_mlqpmbcfmv1s4fdc6o1_500.jpg

[somewhat_]

;87450']So, there's rumors flying around of a new song dropping in the next few weeks, there's a world tour, and they're planning on revamping nin.com

all things that tend to happen just before a new album drops..
just putting it out there (i'm prepared to be very wrong on this)

My prediction:

New track June 6 with U.S. fall arena dates announced the same day along with an announcement of a new EP scheduled to coincide with BEATS streaming service both released the same day in August. Of course, the new NIN EP will be the featured release to get BEATS some extra attention and vice versa.

Edit: Also, I think in some fashion HTDA and Gary Numan will be opening for NIN and/or the Cure co-headlining. Basically, some kind of combination of those bands.

[jaypayton]

The Cure will not be doing any US dates this year aside from a couple festivals...Robert plays 3 and a half hour sets these days, the last thing he will EVER do is co headline with another band...

[somewhat_]

The Cure will not be doing any US dates this year aside from a couple festivals...Robert plays 3 and a half hour sets these days, the last thing he will EVER do is co headline with another band...

You're probably right, I'm just trying to put the pieces together (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/134vgv/i_am_trent_reznor_of_nine_inch_nails_and_how_to/c70udjg?context=3) even if they might not mean anything.

[Zipfinator]

You're probably right, I'm just trying to put the pieces together (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/134vgv/i_am_trent_reznor_of_nine_inch_nails_and_how_to/c70udjg?context=3) even if they might not mean anything.

The "Good idea..." there was probably referring to having Eric Avery play bass.

[somewhat_]

Well, I feel like an idiot. Scratch the Cure thing then. I will stick with my other predictions :)

[FernandoDante]

This is on Aaron North's wiki entry. Holy crap if this is true:

"In late 2008, North suffered a nervous breakdown while mixing the Jubilee album. After subsequent hospitalizations, he ceased all activity with the band. A "motorcycle accident" was used as a public explanation at the time. Months later, attempts to form a new lineup of the band and finish the album were also abandoned due to North's struggles with mental health and addiction."
Is there ANY confirmation behind this? Where the hell is Aaron these days? Latest information I could find was over a year old.

[n30fr05t]

i'm looking forward to hearing new material this year
really hoping that Trent does more sound design this time around (like how he did on The Fragile and his earlier music)

[Trains]

I hope there is something on the way. Personally I hope it doesn't end up being too digital like HTDA. I know he'll never win a 'guitarist-of-the-year' type award, but I'd like to see Trent incorporate some more guitar in his music. Not necessarily in the same vein as The Slip, maybe something a little more melodic. I've always thought he should crack out the acoustic again, the closing section of Metal is one of my favorite moments of Trent's career. Even something like AATCHB, which is one of the more guitar-heavy NIN songs.

[joplinpicasso]

Agreed re: both Metal and AATCHB. Especially the latter; I think it's some of the more intricate guitar work that Trent has done.

[botley]

Agreed re: both Metal and AATCHB. Especially the latter; I think it's some of the more intricate guitar work that Trent has done.
Some of that is Danny Lohner. The songs he co-wrote during The Fragile era have some very interesting guitar orchestrations.

I can't decide if I want to write a biography of NIN, make a documentary, or do a scholarly treatise on each song à la Pushing Ahead of the Dame (http://bowiesongs.wordpress.com).

[butter_hole]

Really enjoying what Rob's doing with the NIN tumblr - just wish (and this is my fault I guess) that I hadn't already seen it all!

[botley]

I don't remember seeing Ally's birthday & that awesome soundboard version of "Capital G" before.

[wizfan]

I'm glad that this exists in 2013:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37096005.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/RMivD5V.jpg

Hey, why did you remove the text?

[eversonpoe]

Hey, why did you remove the text?

he didn't. the actual version of the picture doesn't have text.

[GibbonBlack]

he didn't. the actual version of the picture doesn't have text.

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/OGAu_DeKckI/hqdefault.jpg

[MAD]

Whoever did this (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Marius+Andrei+Dima) made my day. Thanks.

[wizfan]

Whoever did this (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Marius+Andrei+Dima) made my day. Thanks.

Holy shit! You're on Discogs! And I contributed to this release seeing the light of day, so I feel proud to make Discogs more complete. ;) (no, I still can't help bragging about this, sorry)

[henryeatscereal]

Sorry if posted before...

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/918/94729734402211238988925.jpg

[sick among the pure]

Wait. WHAT.
WHAT IS.
That's not shop'd is it?

I need to go to bed, but I can't stop staring at that.

[skip niklas]

So I'm guessing the tour will put the final nail in the coffin for the possibility of the Wave Goodbye shows being released? It wouldn't make a lot of sense to sell a commemoration of a "retirement" tour while you're out on tour after all.

[wizfan]

I don't see why they wouldn't release it sometime. After all, the vids were called "Live at the Henry Fonda", not "final showz evar bye lol".

[Leviathant]

I was really hoping that with a new page in the Random NIN Thoughts thread, I would be able to look at what's new in the thread without being treated to an IMPACT FONT meme photo :b

[somewhat_]

The nin.com tour page is a mess. They need to pick a date format and stick with it. Also, I don't see the U.S. fall arena dates on that page, so they need to add those ;)

[MAD]

SOUND CITY at Transilvania International Film Festival (TIFF 2013) June 7: http://nin.ro/2013/05/29/sound-city-la-tiff-2013/
The tickets are 2.29 euros!

[marodi]

The nin.com tour page is a mess. They need to pick a date format and stick with it. Also, I don't see the U.S. fall arena dates on that page, so they need to add those ;)

I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the tour page but nin.com is going to migrate soon (http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?40,1445734,page=1).

Also: you guys know what? With all the shit that's being written about Adrian Belew (whom, may I remind everyone, is a legendary musician), I was half expecting that dude teitan to make a comeback. He knew all about the art of trolling.

[PQHooligan]

Since the new album thread got locked, I guess I'll put this here to further add to any "is Adrian touring?!" rumors:

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/5462/belew.png

[Deepvoid]

More craziness!

[PhoenixML]

I had a flash of The Day The World Went Away and the terrible new sound of 30 Seconds to Mars and imaged the new NIN album with crowds chanting everywhere.

[BenAkenobi]

apologies for bringin up THE SLIP in the now locked topic, it kinda snowballed unreasonably. i have no problem with that record though. yeah, kinda upbeat. i heard Fragile before, i heard Head like a hole. And you know, once i start i cannot stop myself. I need your discipline, i need your help. ooh-oooh-ooh :)

[Reznor2112]

This is entirely speculation: does anyone else think the long delay of The Fragile deluxe re issue is due to Columbia Records trying to get the rights to the songs to release the reissue under Columbia?

[butter_hole]

Since the new album thread got locked, I guess I'll put this here to further add to any "is Adrian touring?!" rumors:

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/5462/belew.png
this has been there for years

[Ghostofme]

This is entirely speculation: does anyone else think the long delay of The Fragile deluxe re issue is due to Columbia Records trying to get the rights to the songs to release the reissue under Columbia?

I've wondered about this as well. I'm sure Trent is "playing ball" in some way by A. signing HTDA/NIN to Columbia and/or B. Getting back into bed with Jimmy Iovine(Interscope) for this new streaming service, etc.. The rights to the Fragile(and other goodies) have to fall into play somewhere in all of that... Surely.

[Ghostofme]

Sorry if posted before...

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/918/94729734402211238988925.jpg

Pink?.. Or raspberry? .. The kind you find in a second hand store.

[henryeatscereal]

Raspberry Spiral no. 2

[wizfan]

Since the new album thread got locked, I guess I'll put this here to further add to any "is Adrian touring?!" rumors:

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/5462/belew.png

Awww, and they even used the Downward Spiral font!

[witte]

http://tour.nin.com is changing (lay out) and now you can 'log in'/'sign up'
something is happening. pre sales options?

edit:

Thank you for registering with NIN.
Your account will give you access to digital purchases, member ticketing, order tracking and more.
For your future reference your login information is below.

Username: ........
Password: ........
Thank you,
NIN
http://tour.nin.com (http://tour.nin.com/)
nin@modlife.comhttp://e.modlife.com/wf/open?upn=xPOuglUBw60B56tv-2Bxzasa1P-2FBfxnt-2FHQmTW6mg3LHHmOZWOqbEoj0IOzzLsYaw-2FwxG8Uy4h32WRd5Hmyi1A2CzJH3v9-2BQkTmsdsVZt-2F7pF-2BV07xG41z-2F130k1Ak1NXIZ5FafQLxclbwdNonKShA3XuD1IRjpp1Kv-2FGoSf4oMEw-3D

[sheepdean]

Old nin.com accounts still work, clearly switchover hath cometh

http://forum.nin.com/bb/index.php is still alive though

[pukkelpop]

June motherfuckin sixth

[joplinpicasso]

June motherfuckin sixth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE

[NIN64]

June motherfuckin sixth

Source....?

[wizfan]

Isn't it a bit gauche that the official NIN and HTDA tumblr blogs reblog fan blogs? I don't know, something about this is not sitting well with me at all.

[sheepdean]

Isn't it a bit gauche that the official NIN and HTDA tumblr blogs reblog fan blogs? I don't know, something about this is not sitting well with me at all.
I see no problem with appreciating fan communities?

[wizfan]

Sure, I have no problem with that. But... I don't know.

[sheepdean]

Tumblr is about interaction and sharing, if you're going to have an official blog, that's what you should do. I can't think of any other official blogs for anything that DON'T reblog.

[Endlessly]

Tumblr is about interaction and sharing, if you're going to have an official blog, that's what you should do. I can't think of any other official blogs for anything that DON'T reblog.

Exactly, it's the nature of the site. The few official Tumblrs that don't have that level of interaction usually just come off as not understanding how Tumblr works.

In any case, I don't see how it's any different from fan-sourcing nin.com's live photo and video galleries (though who knows if those will make it through the site changeover).

[gorast]

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but isn't it weird that June 6th is a Thursday? Don't singles come out on Tuesdays like albums do? (in the US at least)

https://twitter.com/DJChrisJackson/status/341658717630111744 Well, fucking whatever I guess. New NIN confirmed for realsies?

[ryanmcfly]

I wonder if the Made in America Festival will be streamed this year like it was last year.

[ninhead]

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but isn't it weird that June 6th is a Thursday? Don't singles come out on Tuesdays like albums do? (in the US at least)

https://twitter.com/DJChrisJackson/status/341658717630111744 Well, fucking whatever I guess. New NIN confirmed for realsies?

Are Boom Boom Satellites putting out a new song?

[ryanmcfly]

Two. More. Days.

Also, should the new album thread be reopened?

[Leviathant]

Two. More. Days.

Also, should the new album thread be reopened?

When it's appropriate, I'll reopen the thread. Sort of like how I split out Witte's post about the new single ;)

[Harry Seaward]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that there hasn't been much discussion about NIN signing to a major label? There were pages of multiple threads regarding Adrian Belew being old and whether or not he quit and other random things, but the Columbia thing has only been passively mentioned here and there, from my understanding. Is there a discussion about this somewhere I missed? It seems like a big deal.

[jessamineny]

Probably because people already had that discussion when his new band was signed. And I know I highly suspected NIN would follow suit as well. So it's sort of... whatever.

[gorast]

I thought maybe Trent would keep NIN independent (for whatever reason) but I don't really care that NIN is part of Columbia now too, because HTDA has done well enough on the label. I'd think that most of the other people here just don't care all that much because of HTDA.

[Harry Seaward]

Probably because people already had that discussion when his new band was signed. And I know I highly suspected NIN would follow suit as well. So it's sort of... whatever.

That makes sense. I just assumed that since there was a huge uproar about HTDA signing, there would be an even bigger one with NIN. But yeah, I guess it's a conversation that's already been had.

[Ghostofme]

I still say that the Columbia move and the new steaming service with Jimmy Iovine(Interscope) has some contract wording that frees up or leverages to get at old materials and rights(The Fragile related, etc.).

[butter_hole]

If I remember correctly, the only time (hah) NIN has premiered a track before its release on an album/single was 'Home' and 'NSPN' in 2005, and I guess a few of the 1988 shows. Now I'm Nothing doesn't count...

This is different from virtually every other band in existence. Going to be strange if NIN play a bunch of new tracks before an album comes out, something they've never done before.

BUT - I do believe that they'll have the album out in mid July, before the tour starts.

[gorast]

If I remember correctly, the only time (hah) NIN has premiered a track before its release on an album/single was 'Home' and 'NSPN' in 2005, and I guess a few of the 1988 shows. Now I'm Nothing doesn't count...

This is different from virtually every other band in existence. Going to be strange if NIN play a bunch of new tracks before an album comes out, something they've never done before.

BUT - I do believe that they'll have the album out in mid July, before the tour starts.
Maybe they'll hold off on performing new material (except presumably Came Back Haunted) until the fall arena tour? Kind of like Performance 2007, where it was like a greatest hits tour until Year Zero came out.

[PhoenixML]

If I remember correctly, the only time (hah) NIN has premiered a track before its release on an album/single was 'Home' and 'NSPN' in 2005, and I guess a few of the 1988 shows. Now I'm Nothing doesn't count...

This is different from virtually every other band in existence. Going to be strange if NIN play a bunch of new tracks before an album comes out, something they've never done before.

BUT - I do believe that they'll have the album out in mid July, before the tour starts.

I'm pretty sure they played The Collector and With Teeth live also before the album came out in 2005.

[screwdriver]

I'm pretty sure they played The Collector and With Teeth live also before the album came out in 2005.

they did a club tour prior to the release of With Teeth where they debuted a lot of With Teeth songs:
http://www.nintourhistory.com/tour.php?tourid=20

[botley]

"Wish" also debuted live in 1991 before Broken came out.

[fillow]

Same with GDML, Suck and Physical.
Burn was played a couple weeks before Natural Born Killers soundtrack release.
Non-Entity.
Not entirely sure about Survivalism and TBOTE. What was first - a leak, radio premiere or live debut?

[Reznor2112]

Edit...muffed up

[butter_hole]

Okay so maybe I was a little off the mark...

[butter_hole]

We know Belew is on a track or two of the new album, I wonder if there are any other guests? Cortini, surely. Maybe Eustis? Maybe even Dave Grohl on a few drum tracks...?

[slave2thewage]

Not entirely sure about Survivalism and TBOTE. What was first - a leak, radio premiere or live debut?
Survivalism had been released to radio officially before its debut, TBOTE had an apparently unauthorised radio play and was then debuted on the tour soon afterwards.

[scorpiusdiamond]

[Sorry to go off topic for a second]
I just unearthed my review of the NIN show I covered back in 2009. It makes ironic reading now (http://archive.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/index136a.html?c=Live&id=3553)

[Hula]

Hesitation Marks is an awful, awful name. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on it, or do they not know what it refers to (http://www.enotes.com/hesitation-wounds-reference/hesitation-wounds)? (Trigger warning for suicide on that link, btw)

In fairness, if you search 'hesitation marks' specifically, the first eight million hits are for Nine Inch Nails and people probably wouldn't think to search for variations on the phrase to find out what it means, but surely people would have heard of the phrase? I mean... This is the Nine Inch Nails fanbase. We're not exactly unfamiliar with suicide and self-harm.

Anyway, yeah. Awful name for a new album there, Trent. I found myself triggered just reading it but I guess I'm just a delicate little flower?

[icklekitty]

The title is a bit cringy. Even if he's trying for double meanings. Perhaps he's going to grow his hair again and sulk glumly in corners wearing PVC gloves.

[orestes]

Maybe it'll fit once the album is heard in its entirety but yeah, not a fan at the moment.

[Scarlet Siren]

All this new NIN stuff is kind of overwhelming and exciting! I wish there were more dates in the UK, kind of wish I lived in the US now but next year...

I love the new album name. Actually love it. There, I said it.

[henryeatscereal]

I don't mind the title... it's not that "With Teeth" or "The Slip" are genius titles either, i just care for the songs, then i'll love the title...

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I love the people on YouTube comments that are like, "I've been a NIN fan for years. I know every album." Cool, dude! You and the rest of the NINternet. The true test of a NIN fan is his knowledge of red robes and Meathead.

[Vertigo]

I love the people on YouTube comments that are like, "I've been a NIN fan for years. I know every album." Cool, dude! You and the rest of the NINternet. The true test of a NIN fan is his knowledge of red robes and Meathead.

The true test of being a real NIN fan is whether you're cool enough not to clarify the definition of a real NIN fan.


...Shit.

[GavinCollins420]

All this new NIN stuff is kind of overwhelming and exciting! I wish there were more dates in the UK, kind of wish I lived in the US now but next year...

I love the new album name. Actually love it. There, I said it.

These tour dates definitely need more UK. I NEED to see full on NIN live production. None of this daylight festival nonsense!

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

The true test of being a real NIN fan is whether you're cool enough not to clarify the definition of a real NIN fan.


...Shit.

Haters gonna hate!

I'm realizing that the hardest thing I can do in regards to my music collection is whittle down 20 hours of NIN into a less-than-80-minute CD to play while I'm driving back home all afternoon. It's not so much a matter of favorite songs, but favorite VERSIONS of songs. Do I want the album version? Live? Alternate live? Live featuring _______? Remix? Version version? Should I get The Frail + The Wretched as a pair from the same collection so they flow together perfectly?

I almost just wanna hit shuffle, select the first 80 minutes, and roll with it.

[Vertigo]

I'm realizing that the hardest thing I can do in regards to my music collection is whittle down 20 hours of NIN into a less-than-80-minute CD to play while I'm driving back home all afternoon. It's not so much a matter of favorite songs, but favorite VERSIONS of songs. Do I want the album version? Live? Alternate live? Live featuring _______? Remix? Version version? Should I get The Frail + The Wretched as a pair from the same collection so they flow together perfectly?

I almost just wanna hit shuffle, select the first 80 minutes, and roll with it.

If you're having trouble deciding between versions, I've whipped up a few combined versions of songs over the years that I could send your way. One example is splicing The Frail into quiet parts of Wretched [Version], which might fit your requirements nicely. Let me know if you're interested, but if you consider the practise an abomination, I ask that you don't burn me for heresy (onto which I slapped the first verse of the demo version). There's early versions of TDTWWA (http://remix.nin.com/play/mix?id=24578) and Mr Self Destruct (http://remix.nin.com/play/mix?id=24293) on the remix site.

[Scarlet Siren]

These tour dates definitely need more UK. I NEED to see full on NIN live production. None of this daylight festival nonsense!

Tell me about it! The tour schedule looks pretty clear in September... now, I wouldn't want to place any bets on it but I'd quite like to see an iTunes show appear at least. Just a thought.

[Trains]

Tell me about it! The tour schedule looks pretty clear in September... now, I wouldn't want to place any bets on it but I'd quite like to see an iTunes show appear at least. Just a thought.

This. The London O2 show was one of the best musical experiences of my life, let's do it again.

[rhet]

These tour dates definitely need more UK. I NEED to see full on NIN live production. None of this daylight festival nonsense!


this so much! i didn't get festival tickets in hopes that they'll go on a proper tour afterwards. i'm hoping for non-arena venues but fat chance i'm sure.

[GavinCollins420]

this so much! i didn't get festival tickets in hopes that they'll go on a proper tour afterwards. i'm hoping for non-arena venues but fat chance i'm sure.

I got a Leeds day ticket just to be safe. I could not miss NIN live again.

[tony.parente]

Does anyone have a strange feeling that the cornstarch might be coming back?

[dominik]

Does anyone have a strange feeling that the cornstarch might be coming back?

Hopefully not, the only one that could pull it off would be Ilan.

[rhet]

this so much! i didn't get festival tickets in hopes that they'll go on a proper tour afterwards. i'm hoping for non-arena venues but fat chance i'm sure.

yeah, i'm kind of thinking maybe i should go to reading after all but really don't wanna see them at a festival or pay for a day pass when they're the only ones i want to see. ugh. plus my husband hates festivals and isn't as much of a nin fanboy as i am..but if they don't come to europe i'll be pissed! maybe i'll just go by myself..

[Scarlet Siren]

I got a Leeds day ticket just to be safe. I could not miss NIN live again.


Same here, and Belfast and Reading. I've missed out before (twice!!) but NEVER again. I'm not the biggest fan of music festivals and I'm only going to see NIN, if a UK tour was announced, just a few dates, I'd sell my festival tickets and attend that instead.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Sorry if it's been mentioned, but it looks like the nin.com update has completely fucked nin:access. I was really hoping with the onslaught of updates today the app would get a refresh as well.

[butter_hole]

Sorry if it's been mentioned, but it looks like the nin.com update has completely fucked nin:access. I was really hoping with the onslaught of updates today the app would get a refresh as well.
pretty sure that app was pretty much dead in the water a week after it came out

[MrSlfDstruct]

pretty sure that app was pretty much dead in the water a week after it came out

I thought it was pretty cool to have during the tour, especially with the constantly changing set lists when people would post the songs as they went. Plus it was always fun to peruse the pictures just to kill some time every now and then.

[GavinCollins420]

Totally what I see every time I see the front cover for The Fragile. I have suffered from this since the first day I saw it.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2qcqvkl.jpg

[danebraddy]

Something about this feels... wrong

http://i.imgur.com/LH5MLR0.png

[BenAkenobi]

<picture>

where you put glass, i always pictured a human knee. and as i write this, all of a sudden redrobeomgwtf?!

[johnbron]

Working on a laser project for Keen shoes this week. Decided to have some off the clock fun with NIN stuff. More tomorrow. :)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/08/unahydut.jpg

[thelastdisciple]

Who thinks a Google+ Hangout with Trent Reznor would be fucking awesome?

[blassster]

I think TF 5.1 will come out spring 2014, to allow a decent buffer between album releases. Kind of like TDS DE in Fall, then WT in following Spring. Mastering was finished a while ago, if I'm not mistaken. Though technically a few months off, maybe they'd label it as a 15 year anniversary release. But... I'm not going to bet on dis :)

[billpulsipher]

a dvd of rehearsal footage like he did with The Slip would suffice

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I can't help but feel like this new album is going to feel something like a look at the character from TDS and how he's come back from everything. Maybe it's just the artwork and the vibe from the title. Whatever it turns out to be, I'm excited for it.

[thefragile_jake]

Demon Seed is my jam.

I really like how the song is built upon mood as opposed to normal song structures, it reminds me of a track off the Fragile. I really hope we see more of these in the new record. Some of these songs lengths clocking in at over 5 to 6 minutes gives me a feeling some might!

[r_z]

Demon Seed's always been my favorite of The Slip. I always thought, a song by NIN produced by The DFA would sound like this... the way it's building up slowly, layer by layer.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I can't help but feel like this new album is going to feel something like a look at the character from TDS and how he's come back from everything. Maybe it's just the artwork and the vibe from the title. Whatever it turns out to be, I'm excited for it.

I'm kind of thinking that might be what we're going to see as well. I feel like everything post With Teeth hasn't been as personal as what came before it. Obviously YZ was telling a story from multiple viewpoints, so the personal aspect wasn't even the intention. But . . . TR went through some shit, and obviously he's come out the other side, and that has to be a big source of inspiration for some writing.

[johnbron]

Made a few more today...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/09/du6y6u4y.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/09/y6yjuhug.jpg

[xmp3x]

^how are you cutting those again? The plain wood one came out really cool.

[JessicaSarahS]

Damn, those are great!

[Jon]

That plain ol' cube of wood looks very nice. Makes me want to go over to my parent's and spend some time in my stepdad's shop.

[Fred]

Hesitation Marks is an awful, awful name. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on it, or do they not know what it refers to (http://www.enotes.com/hesitation-wounds-reference/hesitation-wounds)? (Trigger warning for suicide on that link, btw)

In fairness, if you search 'hesitation marks' specifically, the first eight million hits are for Nine Inch Nails and people probably wouldn't think to search for variations on the phrase to find out what it means, but surely people would have heard of the phrase? I mean... This is the Nine Inch Nails fanbase. We're not exactly unfamiliar with suicide and self-harm.

Anyway, yeah. Awful name for a new album there, Trent. I found myself triggered just reading it but I guess I'm just a delicate little flower?

The name makes sense to me. In more than one sense.

Apart from the fact that NIN have always been into dark imagery, isn't this album pretty much a "hesitation mark" in itself? It sure looked like NIN would never be coming back after the final wave of "farewell" concerts. Flash-forward - now it becomes clear that, in Reznor-speak, "soon" means 5-6 years while "the foreseeable future" lands at 3-4 years. He tried to let his primary musical identity "commit suicide", so to speak, but he hesitated and here we are.

There's also the whole deal about the artwork tying in with "The Downward Spiral". As others have suggested, this may be a sequel of sorts that's actually about pulling yourself back up and re-building. Awkward title or not, there is something oddly positive about it. "The Downward Spiral" just goes downwards and ends at its lowest. "Hesitation Marks" at least implies that, even in the darkest hour, something (or someone?) can make you reconsider what you're about to do and pull you out of it.

Bottom line, this is Nine Inch Nails. The band that did the "Broken Movie", a still-unreleased - and alledgedly pretty fucking disturbing - suicide anthem called "Just Do It" and a whole double album about trying to save yourself, only to arrive at the same fucked-up, deconstructed place you came from. Don't expect this one to carry any stickers advertising suicide hotlines, even if Trent is in a better place now...

(I'm in no way making light of suicide in this post. But I do firmly believe that taboos will never solve such problems.)

[johnbron]

^how are you cutting those again? The plain wood one came out really cool.
I work with some large laser engravers, mostly for granite engraving. We've gotten jobs from Nike, Burton, and Keen over the years for wood engraving and I've wound up with extra wood pieces from them.

I love this stuff! :)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/09/ajumunyb.jpg

[thefragile_jake]

Nine Inch Nails concerts are the only place I feel like breaking the unwritten cool rule about wearing a shirt of the band you're going to see at the concert.

That red Hesitation Marks shirt is going to be worn with delight at their show in October when I see them...

Also, I was listening to the Every Day Is Exactly the Same EP yesterday and I love the DFA remix of THTF. Made me start thinking about remix albums and I really hope Trent decides to release a remix album for Hesitation Marks. I know the deluxe edition has like three remix bonus tracks but I love remix albums as companion pieces to the record.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I usually wear one of my older nin shirts that is obviously old, because I don't wear them much just beause they look a little raggedy, so it gives me an opportunity to get some use out of them. Lots of memories associated with those shirts.

Plus I've got so many other important things going on at this point in my life to not give a fuck what somebody thinks about what t-shirt I'm wearing :)

[GavinCollins420]

After listening to Year Zero the other day, the vocal delivery throughout that album is stellar.

[Henrie_Schnee]

Found an old interview with Reznor and Malm & discovered, that "Crown of Thornes" was one of the first names of what would later become "Nine Inch Nails". Back in the demo-days.

Not that big a revelation, but I either forgot about this or never knew it to begin with. Also my brain immediately started to make a bunch of connections, e.g. to the radio-friendly version of "Hurt" and that old rumor of "Nine Inch Nails" alluding to Christs crucifixion.

http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=6183

[Scarlet Siren]

Broken is my favourite album, or should I say EP, at the moment :)

I envy everyone currently getting themselves in knots trying to get tickets.... I wish I was able to buy tickets also. Hopefully it'll only be a matter of time until UK/European shows are announced. Before 2014 would be nice but it's unlikely :(

[konstantin]

so is Urban Outfitters the new Hot Topic?

[eversonpoe]

so is Urban Outfitters the new Hot Topic?

context?

(no, seriously...what are you talking about?)

[imail724]

I don't get people that say Trent hasn't done anything worthwhile since The Fragile. I could listen to Year Zero every day and would put it above both Pretty Hate Machine and Broken.

[thevoid99]

For me, Year Zero started a great streak of material that Trent had been doing and I'm one of those that loves The Fragile. I think he's getting better at what he does. I don't care if he doesn't do anything new. It just has to be good.

[neorev]

The Fragile would have been better as a single disc for me... half amazing tracks/other half filler
10 Miles High and And All That Could Have Been should have been included, yes i know one is on the vinyl version

My tracklist for The Fragile...
The Way Out Is Through
Somewhat Damaged
The Day the World Went Away
The Frail
The Wretched
We're in This Together
The Fragile
Even Deeper
Pilgrimage
The Mark Has Been Made
10 Miles High
Starfuckers, Inc.
The Big Come Down
Underneath It All
The Great Below
And All That Could Have Been

I love With Teeth... don't get the hate for that album. Downward Spiral & With Teeth are my two faves

Year Zero... the concept and idea behind it is great... the album on the other hand gets a tad boring after a while
It starts to sound the samey after a while... felt the same about Welcome Oblivion, which dislike even more
My Violent Heart, Me I'm Not, and In This Twilight are the only tracks that I can listen to really and enjoy
The rest are bleh.

The Slip doesn't feel like a full on album... more like a collection of not fully fleshed studio band tracks
It could have used some more depth in its production. It's very stripped down and one dimensional.
Letting You is the only I can listen to... Discipline is in my top worst of NIN track list.

Ghosts just seems like an NIN audition for score work... nothing more.
It has its moments of goodness though I would have loved to hear some of the ideas actually fleshed out into full on NIN tracks. I think there's some great ideas that could have been great full on tracks with some more work and lyrics.

For me, the last great NIN album was With Teeth... I can listen to that album all the way through. Only Broken, The Downward Spiral, and With Teeth I can do that with.

I felt they have lost their depth with the last few releases
The production is just not the same anymore

Being glitchy doesn't cut it. The beats aren't the same. There's no real edge anymore.

And Welcome Oblivion wasn't a huge departure from the NIN-style... just a more boring version of Year Zero with monotone vocals.

Come Back Haunted is pretty good, sounds promising.

But I just want that atmosphere and depth back... the layering of sounds... and the edge that made NIN... well NIN.

[allegro]

so is Urban Outfitters the new Hot Topic?
you mean the ubiquitous black hoodie? :-)

[theimage13]

I like Ilan. But I hope he leaves and Trent makes a bizarre move to add Abe Laboriel, Jr. as the new drummer.

[Reznor2112]

Random: I really hope that The Fragile reissue, if it does come out, comes with a blu ray of the album. Much like the Ghosts deluxe versions and TSN soundtrack.

I don't expect a blu ray for all new NIN/HTDA/tr releases to come with a blurry option but this is one release that needs one for those that do not buy vinyl.

[sheepdean]

Random: I really hope that The Fragile reissue, if it does come out, comes with a blu ray of the album. Much like the Ghosts deluxe versions and TSN soundtrack.

I don't expect a blu ray for all new NIN/HTDA/tr releases to come with a blurry option but this is one release that needs one for those that do not buy vinyl.The fact we know it's mixed to 5.1 means a BD is almost certain

[MrSlfDstruct]

I don't know if my body is prepared to experience The Fragile on Blu-ray.

[KarenLeslie]

I like Ilan. But I hope he leaves and Trent makes a bizarre move to add Abe Laboriel, Jr. as the new drummer.

I want Josh Freese back. I have replaced my immature, teenaged crush on Trent Reznor with a fully mature woman's crush on Josh Freese.

[frothy_ham]

Is it just me, or does the NIN fan community just seem a lot more negative/curmudgeon-ey than 8-4 years ago (the time between With Teeth's release and the Wave Goodbye tour).

Even before CBH/Hesitation Marks was even announced or the reveal of new tour/ticket prices it felt like most people would rather he just not do anything ever again...or was it the same before and I'm just viewing the past through rose-colored glasses?

[PhoenixML]

I always tried to create a playlist for a shorter Fragile listen. It never clicked.

Then recently I did a longer than long playlist and that was awesome! I added Adrift and at Peace, AATCHB, Slipping Away, The Great Collapse, 10 Miles High, A New Flesh and Deep. The choices are questionable, but it clicked for me.

[jmtd]

Never understood why there's 5-10 seconds of near silence between "wish" and "last" since they fit together so well...

[screwdriver]

I always tried to create a playlist for a shorter Fragile listen. It never clicked.

Then recently I did a longer than long playlist and that was awesome! I added Adrift and at Peace, AATCHB, Slipping Away, The Great Collapse, 10 Miles High, A New Flesh and Deep. The choices are questionable, but it clicked for me.

awesome idea! what's your sequence?

[ryanmcfly]

I have rediscovered my love for The Big Come Down today.

[Khrz]

Never understood why there's 5-10 seconds of near silence between "wish" and "last" since they fit together so well...

Silence ? SILENCE ? BLASPHEMY !!!!

[PhoenixML]

awesome idea! what's your sequence?

End of left:
No You Don't
Adrift (instead of La Mer)
The Great Below
AATCHB

Right is where the magic is at :
The Way Out is Through
La Mer / Into The Void / Slipping Away
Where Is Everybody
The Mark Has Been Made (minus the intro of 10 Miles High)
10 Miles High
Please
Appendage
The Great Collapse (works well here)
Starfuckers
Complications
The New Flesh
Deep (it's just an excuse to listen to this track even if it's not from The Fragile, and Left side is quite self sufficient)
I'm Looking Forward...
The Big Come Down
Underneath It All
Ripe with Decay

[jmtd]

Silence ? SILENCE ? BLASPHEMY !!!!

"near" silence

[eversonpoe]

"near" silence

i always thought it was to trick people into turning it up louder to try to hear what the hell it is and then scare the shit out of them when last actually starts.

[Scarlet Siren]

I might give this sequence a try and give it a listen to it at work tomorrow.

La Mer/ITV/Slipping Away - Me too :)

Thanks for sharing.

[Leviathant]

I might give this sequence a try and give it a listen to it at work tomorrow.

La Mer/ITV/Slipping Away - Me too :)

Thanks for sharing.

One time I mixed together WITT --> La Mer --> Into the Void --> Slipping Away. I think I tried putting complication in front of WITT, but that didn't work as well as mixing the rest of them together. I wonder if I still have that MP3 kicking around.

[seasonsinthesky]

One time I mixed together WITT --> La Mer --> Into the Void --> Slipping Away. I think I tried putting complication in front of WITT, but that didn't work as well as mixing the rest of them together. I wonder if I still have that MP3 kicking around.

why Complication?

i bet it'd sound fantastic with JLYI in front — it ends in similar distortion crackles as the start of WITT.

do share if you find it!

[fillow]

My mix had Adrift before La Mer

[kercyx]

Mine too ! ( just search "Into the Void (Megamix) " on remix.nin.com for the ones interested )

[Leviathant]

why Complication?

The guitar at the very beginning of We're In This Together is playing a melody that's very close to what's played at around 0:55 in Complication.

[Scarlet Siren]

One time I mixed together WITT --> La Mer --> Into the Void --> Slipping Away. I think I tried putting complication in front of WITT, but that didn't work as well as mixing the rest of them together. I wonder if I still have that MP3 kicking around.


why Complication?

i bet it'd sound fantastic with JLYI in front — it ends in similar distortion crackles as the start of WITT.

do share if you find it!

I second this! Please share it if you manage to dig it up.



Mine too ! ( just search "Into the Void (Megamix) " on remix.nin.com for the ones interested )

ITV is my favourite song, very likely to be the most played song on iTunes.... I'll be sure to give this a listen!

[jmtd]

I wan't my new NIN t-shirt. I wonder when they'll ship.

[mfte]

Anyone remember when the follow up to Downward Spiral was going to be a funk/hiphop record?

[eversonpoe]

Anyone remember when the follow up to Downward Spiral was going to be a funk/hiphop record?

see: "Even Deeper," & "Where Is Everybody?"

i've always heard elements of both of those genres in the fragile.

[pukkelpop]

see: "Even Deeper," & "Where Is Everybody?"

i've always heard elements of both of those genres in the fragile. eeeeeurrrrrhhmm

[Scarlet Siren]

see: "Even Deeper," & "Where Is Everybody?"

i've always heard elements of both of those genres in the fragile.

I always thought WIE and ITV have really good grooves to them :)

[BenAkenobi]

Collaboration with Ice Cube taught him ...things.

[NotoriousTIMP]

So I've been listening to YZ for the past day or two and I'm pleasantly surprised at how well it's held up over the years. Currently on The Great Destroyer and I forgot how awesome this song is. I am now slowly starting to build up excitement for the upcoming tour :)

[jmtd]

TGD has grown on me. When it first came out I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't understand it, the kick drum sounded straight out of some happy hardcore, I didn't think it belonged in a NIN tune. I think I've musically matured a bit since then. However, I've never been able to listen to YZ as a coherent album. Perhaps due to the ARG and playing the leaked tracks much more often than the others, and having my emotional memory of them tied up in the excitement of the time. Also I feel a bit cheated that we hardly saw any YZ tracks live in the uk, particularly MYM and ITT. I had a lot doing on in 2007...

[Trains]

^ Great, great record. I still love everything about it even after all this time, potentially my favorite NIN record. I have fond memories of getting sucked into the world and the story, reading the ARG sites and following the discussions here. I still get excited when I listen to The Good Soldier, sounds so different from what we're used to from NIN, especially back then.

[Max Leo]

see: "Even Deeper," & "Where Is Everybody?"

i've always heard elements of both of those genres in the fragile.

All the rumors for that album had some truth in them. It was said that it would have elements of hip-hop, trip-hop, drum&bass, funk, tons of electronics and no guitars. Trent ultimately added guitars everywhere, but you can notice many of the influences that Trent and others had been talking about for years regarding the new album.

I remember how Trent specifically said that his next album would be a mix of Prince and Aphex Twin, and nobody would like it. XD You can notice the funk in songs like ITV or WIE, but in my opinion the "Aphex Twin+Prince" track is "The Big Come Down".

[ZeroisGreg]

All the rumors for that album had some truth in them. It was said that it would have elements of hip-hop, trip-hop, drum&bass, funk, tons of electronics and no guitars. Trent ultimately added guitars everywhere, but you can notice many of the influences that Trent and others had been talking about for years regarding the new album.

I remember how Trent specifically said that his next album would be a mix of Prince and Aphex Twin, and nobody would like it. XD You can notice the funk in songs like ITV or WIE, but in my opinion the "Aphex Twin+Prince" track is "The Big Come Down". Wow, I need to find that quote from TR about sounding like AT and PR in TF. I'd also like to think that TR especially likes "The Big Come Down" from that album.

[ZeroisGreg]

just had a random thought. Since the music industry is still being re-shaped, has TR ever considered doing a track-at-a-time like work on one track, then put it out in low quality to preview and then sell it. Then get feedback and work on another track and so on a so forth.

[BRoswell]

Great idea. Trent puts the track out there, a third of the fans bitch about how it sounds nothing like *insert favorite album here*, a third of them praise the hell out of it without giving any specific thoughts on it, and the final third attempt to give some sort of advice, but everyone says different things and none of them can come to a consensus. Trent stops involving his fans in the song creation process after one song. The end.

[elevenism]

i got into nin when broken came out, and i LOVE, i mean absolutely LOVE YZ.
I never understood why other people didn't.
and good god i love the drums on even deeper, eversonpoe, and yes it DOES have hip-hop elements.
these are random thoughts so it fits in the thread, right?

[ItsJustDave]

Is it just me, or does the NIN fan community just seem a lot more negative/curmudgeon-ey than 8-4 years ago (the time between With Teeth's release and the Wave Goodbye tour).

Even before CBH/Hesitation Marks was even announced or the reveal of new tour/ticket prices it felt like most people would rather he just not do anything ever again...or was it the same before and I'm just viewing the past through rose-colored glasses?

It's been like this forever. People bitched when Broken came out. And every release since. NIN fans are typically either bitter assholes whose expectations can never be met or "yes men".

I'm over generalizing here, but the point remains.

[Promethean]

Anyone wanna comment on how liberally Kanye West is borrowing from the NIN playbook? It's being mentioned in most of the reviews of 'Yeezus'. It has to be pretty career affirming for TR to have someone that a lot of people consider to be THE pop artist of the era be so influenced by you.

[GavinCollins420]

The Great Destroyed blows my shit up every time.

[ZeroisGreg]

Great idea. Trent puts the track out there, a third of the fans bitch about how it sounds nothing like *insert favorite album here*, a third of them praise the hell out of it without giving any specific thoughts on it, and the final third attempt to give some sort of advice, but everyone says different things and none of them can come to a consensus. Trent stops involving his fans in the song creation process after one song. The end. Well I was serious so I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but it reads that way. The one track at-at-a-time idea might work...I think. After about 12 or 14 tracks maybe the fans could build their own album and sequencing?

[AgentofChaos]

just had a random thought. Since the music industry is still being re-shaped, has TR ever considered doing a track-at-a-time like work on one track, then put it out in low quality to preview and then sell it. Then get feedback and work on another track and so on a so forth.

Ask Billy Corgan how that plan played out.

[jmtd]

Just noticed the red/orange "Hesitation Marks" t-shirts have disappeared from the NIN store.

[RJK]

Just noticed the red/orange "Hesitation Marks" t-shirts have disappeared from the NIN store.

When they were up it said only available for preorder until 6-14.

[Zipfinator]

When they were up it said only available for preorder until 6-14.

Butt rats... I checked the store a week or so ago and didn't see shit and now I missed a red/orange TShirt. I hope they sell it again later because I do not desire a black one.

[butter_hole]

I just had a look through Rob's Demonbaby account and let's just say I'm glad he stuck with graphic design and not stand-up comedy.

[JessicaSarahS]

Is it just me, or does the NIN fan community just seem a lot more negative/curmudgeon-ey than 8-4 years ago (the time between With Teeth's release and the Wave Goodbye tour).

Even before CBH/Hesitation Marks was even announced or the reveal of new tour/ticket prices it felt like most people would rather he just not do anything ever again...or was it the same before and I'm just viewing the past through rose-colored glasses?


It's been like this forever. People bitched when Broken came out. And every release since. NIN fans are typically either bitter assholes whose expectations can never be met or "yes men".

I'm over generalizing here, but the point remains.

Yeah, it's been this way since as long as I can remember. With that said, ETS is still much better than many other music communities I've encountered and it is really pleasant as a whole. I come here to escape the other communities. ;)

[billpulsipher]

There is definitely a line drawn in the sand of PRE-With Teeth NIN and POST With Teeth NIN.....It seems liek the main opinion with the media and a lot of NIn fans is that TR's best material was 1989-1999 and everything starting around 2005 has been....ordinary at best

[sheepdean]

There is definitely a line drawn in the sand of PRE-With Teeth NIN and POST With Teeth NIN.....It seems liek the main opinion with the media and a lot of NIn fans is that TR's best material was 1989-1999 and everything starting around 2005 has been....ordinary at best
TFA, Still and Deep fall where in this? Trent didn't just stop doing stuff after TF.

And also, you're talking nonsense.

[ninsp]

I don't think there's much of a difference in pre-1999 NIN and after-1999 NIN. Sure, less angst, but the music isn't too different. TR changes the sound on every album. Year Zero is a classic, too.

[Highly Psychological]

And also, you're talking nonsense.

Did you see the Facebook comments when Came Back Haunted was released! Seemed vast amount of older NIN fans were scathing. I was surprised at the amount of negativity. Saw the word Embarrassing mentioned a lot. People saying NIN 'truly ended after The Fragile', '1988-1999' etc etc blah blah blah.
The sound was very different last decade and it didnt connect with a lot of people. Im not saying it was good or bad but there was a difference.
BTW i think that Deep is in the top 10 NIN songs of all time.

[sheepdean]

The last decade connected with so many people, just because it didn't connect with someone who was 12 when PHM came out doesn't mean it's less good. You can't compare reaction of fans pre-facebook to post-facebook, human beings are horrible and will be vicious about everything given the chance.

NIN is NIN is NIN to me. There's changes in subject matter, and improvements in his musical ability (no way could 1989 Trent create Ghosts), but it's still NIN. If you view The Fragile as his magnum opus, you really should check out Year Zero or PHM or Ghosts. Wayyyy less Starfuckers on those.

[BRoswell]

Did you see the Facebook comments when Came Back Haunted was released!

You can replace Came Back Haunted with any of the other things Trent has done post-The Fragile and it would still be the same. If there's one thing fans love more than the music, it's complaining about it.

[butter_hole]

I was surprised at the amount of negativity. Saw the word Embarrassing mentioned a lot
If thinking CBH is embarrassing but shit like Kinda I Want To and Where is Everybody? isn't, I don't want to be right.

[butter_hole]

That was a very poorly put together sentence but you get my drift.

[eversonpoe]

i love Kinda I Want To and i've really never understood the hate for that song.

[Scarlet Siren]

i love Kinda I Want To and i've really never understood the hate for that song.

Me neither!


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[ZeroisGreg]

Ask Billy Corgan how that plan played out.
I will. I'll get back with you on that.

[billpulsipher]

I would say "Still" and "Deep" are part of the 1999-2001 Fragile era....There is a LOT of people who seem to think post Fragile era NIN is shit. (I don't agree, but I also don't think Trent has come close to matching his 1989-2001 material)...anyone who thinks With Teeth and The Slip are as highly regarded in the NIN community as Broken or TDS is smoking crack, that's like saying Wild Mood Swings by The Cure is as highly regarded as Pornography or Exciter by Depeche Mode is as highly regarded as Violator....That's just the facts, it does seem that there's a 1989-2001 NIN and then the post sobriety NIN (starting from WT to now)

[elevenism]

TFA, Still and Deep fall where in this? Trent didn't just stop doing stuff after TF.

And also, you're talking nonsense.

If you're talking about everything post '05 being "ordinary at best," i couldn't agree more. I absolutely LOVE every single nin album, and i especially love year zero. And no, this isn't due to age...i started listening to nin when broken came out and i'm 33.
I have to agree with what some of you are saying about the general vibe being negative now though. I mean, i was constantly on ETS during the ARG, and if my memory serves me correctly (i stay pretty high so it might not,) everyone here was REALLY excited...thrilled, even, about YZ and even the Slip.

[ItsJustDave]

Well, kids, here's the way I see it.
The first time I heard pretty hate machine I almost blew my nuts.
The lyrics were captivating the music cliked.
The first time I heard broken/fixed I thought it sucked.
It sounded too much like speed metal. Then I listened to it more.It still sucks.
I hope the next album is more like phm.
Just my opinion.
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Seconded. Ministry does the speed-metal genre better, IMHO.
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I agree, PHM was his only good CD so far....Broken and fixed was aimed at the stupid lollapoloza crowd..


Seriously guys, like I said, it's ALWAYS been like this.

The trouble is people tend to build a relationship with the music and then Trent ___________ and they feel betrayed, let down, etc. and the break up goes horribly. Sometimes, it's like the ex-girlfriend I had way back when who used to call me up and tell me how she was gonna throw herself in front of a bus because I wouldn't get back together with her.

[WorzelG]

^^^i'm sure I read an interview where Trent said someone waited by the tour bus for hours to tell him, to his face, that the Downward Spiral sucked

[hobochic]

Seriously guys, like I said, it's ALWAYS been like this.

The trouble is people tend to build a relationship with the music and then Trent ___________ and they feel betrayed, let down, etc. and the break up goes horribly. Sometimes, it's like the ex-girlfriend I had way back when who used to call me up and tell me how she was gonna throw herself in front of a bus because I wouldn't get back together with her.
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Is it really a "trouble" that people voice their thoughts on new music from bands they enjoy? Is there a need to address their discussions on a forum like an issue and polarize the camp as either "yes men" or "bitter assholes"? Where's the nuance in being a fan and discussing the ups and downs of a piece of art? We're not talking politics here (which also could use some nuance), we're voicing our often passionate and different views on music, much like Trent does to musicians all the time. Hint, Chris Cornell's adventures with Timbaland and Trent's amusing and hard hitting POV's.

[hobochic]

The problem isn't that people voice their thoughts, is that they act like they're entitled to new music written in a certain way for them. There's a big difference between saying that you don't like a piece of art and acting like the artist should have consulted you and that the sky is falling as a result of them creating what they want to create​.

I would love if you linked me to some of those posts. I've clearly missed them :D

[GibbonBlack]

The problem isn't that people voice their thoughts, is that they act like they're entitled to new music written in a certain way for them. There's a big difference between saying that you don't like a piece of art and acting like the artist should have consulted you and that the sky is falling as a result of them creating what they want to create​.

To be fair it would have been nice if Reznor had consulted me.......

[ItsJustDave]

Is it really a "trouble" that people voice their thoughts on new music from bands they enjoy? Is there a need to address their discussions on a forum like an issue and polarize the camp as either "yes men" or "bitter assholes"? Where's the nuance in being a fan and discussing the ups and downs of a piece of art? We're not talking politics here (which also could use some nuance), we're voicing our often passionate and different views on music, much like Trent does to musicians all the time. Hint, Chris Cornell's adventures with Timbaland and Trent's amusing and hard hitting POV's.

I'm not trying to quell discussion of any sort. The question was raised as to whether or not the curmudgeonly attitude of the fan base was a new thing. I cited the fact that it wasn't. Shouldn't people be just as free to critique the fan base as the music? Don't you think that helps in remaining objective in our views?

[BenAkenobi]

wait, Trent's pun on Chris was rude and undeserved. god i wish H.M. kicks as much ass.

[elevenism]

The last decade connected with so many people, just because it didn't connect with someone who was 12 when PHM came out doesn't mean it's less good. You can't compare reaction of fans pre-facebook to post-facebook, human beings are horrible and will be vicious about everything given the chance.

NIN is NIN is NIN to me. There's changes in subject matter, and improvements in his musical ability (no way could 1989 Trent create Ghosts), but it's still NIN. If you view The Fragile as his magnum opus, you really should check out Year Zero or PHM or Ghosts. Wayyyy less Starfuckers on those.

I'm with you. I keep repeating this...i love ALL the nails albums, and they are my favorite band of all time. I was 12 when broken came out, backtracked to phm, and yes, i fucking LOVE YZ and the Slip (which always felt like an ep to me anyway.) I really don't understand all the bitching...i was around ets for the arg and wave goodbye and whatnot, and all i remember is people being super excited.
I still fucking LOVE pretty hate machine (i hear older fans saying it doesn't "speak" to them anymore sometimes,) i LOVE with teeth...maybe i'm just a fanboy. yeah, i'm tired of HLAH and closer and THTF but good lord...i just don't get it, people talking about everything after '99 being "half assed" or "sold out" or whatever the fuck. I have a brother who is 19 mos younger than me and he hates everything after tds, and he was there with me at nin shows as far back as '94, and his dislike of albums like YZ just blows my mind.
I do have a "least favorite album," which would be ghosts, but that's probably just due to the lack of vocals.
NIN is NIN to me too, and as long as Trent is still making records, i'll be a happy man.

Edit: sorry y'all...i posted something very similar last night i guess. I stay too damn high.

[Promethean]

Year Zero for me represented a time of renewed interest in NIN which slightly waned after WT, which, with the exception of BYIT and ATLITW, was just too much of a straight forward rock record to suit my tastes. YZ remains my second favorite NIN and even though it kinda tanked sales wise at the time, it's having a much bigger influence. You can hear it in Deadmau5, Skrillex and even Kanye. Since YZ everything has moved away from hip hop to techo and all it's sub genres.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Listening to With_Teeth now and I still remember the first time I heard "Love Is Not Enough" at the Fresno gig in early 2005. That song is such a powerful opener....then with the arena tour and the screens.....man, it's kinda exciting listening to all the songs again and having a flood of memories come back :)

[frankie teardrop]

There is definitely a line drawn in the sand of PRE-With Teeth NIN and POST With Teeth NIN.....It seems liek the main opinion with the media and a lot of NIn fans is that TR's best material was 1989-1999 and everything starting around 2005 has been....ordinary at best

there's also a line drawn in the sand for most people that signifies when we were in middle/high school and whe we went to college/hit the real world and priorities and tastes shifted and expanded (and some of that fan base just plain grew up).

not to mention the changes in the musical climate and the post-sober work ethic. and of course, nostalgia factoring in with the mystery and excitement in the fledgling internet/heavy speculation phase between albums when it would be front page coverage at the slightest hint of news.

also covered in previous posts by debunking everyone's ridiculous expectations of what someone should be doing with their art.

long story short- nostalgia makes everything seem better from a distance. sometimes it really WAS better back then. sometimes, you're the one with the problem.

[zecho]

That's something I've never quite understood. Trent's never released anything that wasn't the absolute best at what it was doing. If you're looking at it subjectively, there's obviously going to be releases that you enjoy over others. In my case it's The Fragile. He'll probably never put anything out that I like as much as that record, but that's just aesthetics. I like the strings, the harsh but still organic sounding synths, and the overall broken sound of that album, but I realize that that's not what With Teeth was trying to do. It's sterile, analogue, and quickly paced. But it's still the best album with that general sound that there is. That's why you can't judge a NIN album based on your preference to another NIN album.

He's one of the most eclectic musicians there is (albeit with a very unique style that reverberates through each album no matter how different it may be) and he never returns to the same sound. If you want The Downward Spiral 2.0 you're going to be disappointed 100% of the time. What you can expect is something that will sound different from everything he's done up to this point. You can expect it to achieve technical excellence, you can expect it to sound fresh even in the current over-saturated state of the music industry, and you can expect it to pave the way for a whole new group of artists inside their own genres. As long as he's breaking new ground when he tries to, and as long as what he releases is as unlike anything else as his releases always have been, I'll never be let down, and as far as I'm concerned I hope he never does repeat his past, and that every release truly surprises me with it's style.

[butter_hole]

I was thinking last night, maybe the Fragile re-issue is on hold because Interscope are going to re-issue the entire catalog to cash in on the new album? (or maybe that'll be next year, released along with the Greatest Hits)

Broken+bonus tracks / Fixed - combined 2 disc reissue + new vinyl. maybe new 5.1 mix?
TDS - I know it got remastered but that was almost ten years ago. new pressing of 5.1 mix
The Fragile - big box set as hinted at over the past few years
With Teeth - ? maybe. maybe just a re-issue with bonus tracks / demos
YZ - who knows

I think what's more likely is that there'll be a boxset with EVERYTHING as opposed to individual reissues, but a girl can dream.

[jessamineny]

but a girl can dream.

wait, wait... what?

o_0

[eversonpoe]

wait, wait... what?

o_0

i definitely don't conform to gender stereotypes and am loathe to randomly assign gender roles to online personalities, but honestly, i have ALWAYS thought you were a dude, @butter_hole (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/179-butter_hole)

[sheepdean]

I always thought butter hole was trent so w/e

[Warped_Savant]

nin.com just went down... the source code is blank... Are they about to put up something new?

[butter_hole]

i definitely don't conform to gender stereotypes and am loathe to randomly assign gender roles to online personalities, but honestly, i have ALWAYS thought you were a dude, @butter_hole (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/179-butter_hole)
i had no idea anyone would even recognize me...didnt think i was that memorable
i am a guy by the way. was a joke.

[Shadaloo]

I've had NIN out of heavy rotation for a good long while now - there was honestly a time two years back when I thought I'd perhaps gotten tired. I think I just needed to give it a break because it's all kicking my ass again, especially YZ.

[katara]

I've had NIN out of heavy rotation for a good long while now - there was honestly a time two years back when I thought I'd perhaps gotten tired. I think I just needed to give it a break because it's all kicking my ass again, especially YZ.
I haven't listened to The Fragile since the Deluxe Edition was announced because I want to hear it with fresh ears. Checking ninwiki, it seems that the first time the reissue was mentioned was in 2009. So I haven't heard the album in four years...

[fillow]

5.1 mix was first mentioned way earlier. Think WT-era access answers.

[katara]

I forgot about that! But yes, I made the vow when it was announced on the twitter account as something that was actually happening, I think.

Here's the access Q&A from 2004:
http://www.ninwiki.com/images/3/3c/Questions10.gif

[wizfan]

Trent now probably doesn't want to release Broken or Fixed in Deluxe/Surround. But you never know.

[katara]

Out of all the the NIN catalogue, Broken is the worst offender in terms of sound quality. It needs a remaster badly. When Last played at the end of The Cabin In The Woods, I thought it sounded awful.
A bonus disc with demos etc wouldn't hurt, either. Damn, Broken-era demos would be amazing.

[eversonpoe]

Out of all the the NIN catalogue, Broken is the worst offender in terms of sound quality. It needs a remaster badly. When Last played at the end of The Cabin In The Woods, I thought it sounded awful.
A bonus disc with demos etc wouldn't hurt, either. Damn, Broken-era demos would be amazing.

keep in mind that trent and co. intentionally used phasing and various other techniques to make it sound...off. so it's possible remastering it would either eliminate all of the crazy/fucked up sounding stuff on the album, or it would bring it into such harsh relief that it would be nearly un-listenable.

[fillow]

I'll probably shit my pants when I finally hear Track 71 in 5.1

[sheepdean]

If they do remaster it, it should be Broken/Fixed/Movie. I know, it's on the pirate bay, but an official release (with motherfucking commentary) is much needed. Plus the triple gatefold design could have a disc on each fold.

[katara]

If they do remaster it, it should be Broken/Fixed/Movie. I know, it's on the pirate bay, but an official release (with motherfucking commentary) is much needed. Plus the triple gatefold design could have a disc on each fold.
This. So much this.

A pity that Peter Christopherson isn't with us any more. It would be great to hear his thoughts on the whole thing.

[NotoriousTIMP]

This. So much this.

A pity that Peter Christopherson isn't with us any more. It would be great to hear his thoughts on the whole thing.

What role did he play with the making of the movie?

*EDIT*

I just saw the wiki that he directed it. Talk about learning something new each day.....

[katara]

Yes. He directed it as well as the video for Wish and the exclusive version of Gave Up that's only on the Broken movie [I think].

[jmtd]

Just ripped/demuxed the AC3 audio for the tracks on the AATCHB video that aren't on the official audio release. They sound great, too. I wonder why they were omitted. Hoping my rockboxed player can handle the raw AC3 so I don't have to transcode.

Edit: yup it did! Will need to remux into an mp4 container to add metadata and somehow split starfuckers/the beautiful people losslessly. Do I bother keeping the half of starfuckers or not is the question. Oh and sequencing.

[eversonpoe]

Yes. He directed it as well as the video for Wish and the exclusive version of Gave Up that's only on the Broken movie [I think].

he also co-directed the videos for pinion and help me i am in hell (under a pseudonym), if i remember correctly.

[katara]

This NIN Access question is pretty interesting. It's something I never thought twice about before, but now that we've had Ghosts I-IV, I wonder if he had the idea for that album way back in 2004?
http://www.ninwiki.com/images/e/ee/2004_05_07Questions6.gif

[cahernandez]

A fellow NIN fan (that I met through the old version of this board) just invited me to his wedding. I sold him an extra pass that I had for the Meet & Greet/Soundcheck for Eric de la Cruz (Camden NJ 2009). I hung out with him and his girlfriend before and after the show, and I kept in touch with these guys through the years. I was humbled to get the invite today. I just posted this to say that people in this community are great and that it is amazing how music can bring people together.

[BRoswell]

Just ripped/demuxed the AC3 audio for the tracks on the AATCHB video that aren't on the official audio release. They sound great, too. I wonder why they were omitted. Hoping my rockboxed player can handle the raw AC3 so I don't have to transcode.

My guess is that, after the apparent under-performance of The Fragile, Interscope didn't want another double disc Nine Inch Nails record. Can't fit all of the songs on one disc.

[butter_hole]

Out of all the the NIN catalogue, Broken is the worst offender in terms of sound quality. It needs a remaster badly. When Last played at the end of The Cabin In The Woods, I thought it sounded awful.
A bonus disc with demos etc wouldn't hurt, either. Damn, Broken-era demos would be amazing.
NIN played Wish live supposedly before Broken was recorded, so I'm guessing that means a demo exists...

[katara]

NIN played Wish live supposedly before Broken was recorded, so I'm guessing that means a demo exists...
I like to pretend there's a magical rainbow land with huge boxes of NIN demo tapes at the end of each one instead of pots of gold.

[jessamineny]

It's going to get super old if the NIN FB account continues to spam me everydamnday with "New album Hesitation Marks out 9.3." until September. : /

[pigpen]

I wonder if any artist in recent times has made their preliminary tracks just completely available to the general public...
I mean, I know there's probably some red tape that would need be navigated in doing something like that, but
it'd be cool if bands were just THAT open and transparent.. I honestly, along with everyone here, would SHIT if
Trent and Co. just opened the vault doors and let us all in! Never gonna happen, but it'd be the best thing ever..

[eversonpoe]

on the iTunes HM pre-order page:

Influencers



Skinny Puppy (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/skinny-puppy/id5428569)
Ministry (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/ministry/id609022)
Depeche Mode (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/depeche-mode/id148377)


Followers



Neurosonic (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/neurosonic/id172000580)
Filter (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/filter/id169023)
Barkmarket (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/barkmarket/id61318753)
Marilyn Manson (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/marilyn-manson/id251375)
Godhead (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/godhead/id559581)
Tallman (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/tallman/id4666346)
Stabbing Westward (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/stabbing-westward/id485705)
Draven (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/draven/id257350510)
Otep (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/otep/id6218880)
Lagartija Nick (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/lagartija-nick/id259740401)


Contemporaries



Foetus (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/foetus/id44172043)
Marilyn Manson (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/marilyn-manson/id251375)
Pigface (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/pigface/id44134173)
Front 242 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/front-242/id484849)
Throbbing Gristle (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/throbbing-gristle/id15113311)
Revolting Cocks (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/revolting-cocks/id27051944)
KMFDM (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/kmfdm/id5544454)
Einstürzende Neubauten (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/einsturzende-neubauten/id3716338)
Front Line Assembly (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/front-line-assembly/id6516319)
12 Rounds (https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/12-rounds/id3450245)




does this list seem a bit...mixed up to anyone else?

[sheepdean]

The contemporaries are almost all former Nothing Records bands, that's probably the connection.

[eversonpoe]

The contemporaries are almost all former Nothing Records bands, that's probably the connection.

i think it was mostly that TG & foetus were in the contemporaries section, not the influencers section. and that manson is in two sections.

[fortheloveofgod]

Fuck. New live NIN in less than a week!!!

[ninperu]

Fuck. New live NIN in less than a week!!!

emmmm... the first show is in July 26... 35 days and counting... http://www.facebook.com/nineinchnailsperu

[fortheloveofgod]

Ahh getting ahead of myself.

[Volk]

I don't like how people compare God and Trent Reznor all the time.... I mean, he's good and all, but he's no Trent.

[Krazy]

Maybe this has been asked before, but why is The Slip so "quiet"? Whether its the ditributed CD or playing on a media device/iPod I gotta turn it up to an obnoxious level. Worst is when I shuffle and a song from TS comes up, first reaction is WTF song can't I hear?...

[seasonsinthesky]

Maybe this has been asked before, but why is The Slip so "quiet"? Whether its the ditributed CD or playing on a media device/iPod I gotta turn it up to an obnoxious level. Worst is when I shuffle and a song from TS comes up, first reaction is WTF song can't I hear?...

err, you should recheck that. the album was mastered just as loud as NIN has been since 1999 (though i suppose you could argue 1994...). some songs start very quiet, though, obviously, and LITS was kept pretty quiet.

[Krazy]

^^^ Honestly no. This is from different sources (CD, free DL) and using different equipment- varying car stereos, speakers, home systems, etc. And not song related, I do know LITS is a quiet song though.

Always found it to be very odd and one of the reasons it's not played by me more often.

[katara]

Maybe this has been asked before, but why is The Slip so "quiet"? Whether its the ditributed CD or playing on a media device/iPod I gotta turn it up to an obnoxious level. Worst is when I shuffle and a song from TS comes up, first reaction is WTF song can't I hear?...
I don't get this from the album as a whole, but I will say that I think Head Down is actually a few dbs quieter than it should be. I turn the album up a couple of notches at that song and only turn it back down at The Four Of Us Are Dying.

[butter_hole]

^^^ Honestly no. This is from different sources (CD, free DL) and using different equipment- varying car stereos, speakers, home systems, etc. And not song related, I do know LITS is a quiet song though.

Always found it to be very odd and one of the reasons it's not played by me more often.
Nope, have a look at waveforms and the like. Album is loud bro

[jmtd]

Remember: never trust your ears. Summing music down to a 2D waveform and looking at it with your eyes is much more reliable.

[eversonpoe]

i would much rather have to turn up my stereo because an album is a little quieter (a la Rid Of Me by PJ Harvey) and has proper dynamics than to have it brickwalled all the way through (like most things are these days).

[seasonsinthesky]

^^^ Honestly no. This is from different sources (CD, free DL) and using different equipment- varying car stereos, speakers, home systems, etc. And not song related, I do know LITS is a quiet song though.

Always found it to be very odd and one of the reasons it's not played by me more often.

i find it (the fixed hi-res download) easily as loud as With Teeth. how does WT go for you in these situations?

[Krazy]

i find it (the fixed hi-res download) easily as loud as With Teeth. how does WT go for you in these situations?


I'm fine with it, and I'm OK with some of my CD's that date back to the '80s. TS is literally super fucking quiet/very low gain (for me only apparently), I have to turn the volume way up every time it comes on and nothing else is comparable- NIN or otherwise.

Hmmmm.... I think I'm gonna listen to the actual purchased disc again. Delete everything on my computer/media players and burn that in there.

Thanks for the replies.

[Pyract]

I'm fine with it, and I'm OK with some of my CD's that date back to the '80s. TS is literally super fucking quiet/very low gain (for me only apparently), I have to turn the volume way up every time it comes on and nothing else is comparable- NIN or otherwise.

Hmmmm.... I think I'm gonna listen to the actual purchased disc again. Delete everything on my computer/media players and burn that in there.

Thanks for the replies.
I''l throw one more in for mine sounds about on par with everything else... the original PHM master is way quieter for instance..

[ZeroisGreg]

just got the official track list for the new album 'The Hesitater'

1. crumbling in my heart
2. because i care
3. when pigeons cry
4. two angels
5. hairy arms
6. lipstick and pain
7. bright and shiny
8. came back a honky
9. upward spiral
10. with tongue
11. silk
12. black toys
13. all the hugs in the world
14. the eater of cake

[scorpiusdiamond]

Thought I'd share this from the NIN subreddit:

im saying the track names look weak. "all time low", "dissapointed" "find my way"....the fuck? what happened to names like "heresy" "mr self destruct" or "happiness in slavery"? TR is stuck in rut and has been for sometime, just admit it
and my response

uh, no, I won't. he's far from in a rut. him being in a rut is when he released a CD full of remixes of a single song because he couldn't bring himself to make a full album, and even when he did it tortured him. Trent is at the most prolific, adventurous and creative time of his life so far - soundtracks, remixes, two bands on tour, collaborations, a massive new NIN album... no rut whatsoever.

a stinkin' rut? jeezzzz...

[sheepdean]

Mr Self Destruct is named after a Soft Cell song, so that doesn't really count anyway

[Krazy]

Can't RITC and ninhotline text each other? You fookers are trolling Twitter!!! :P

[Leviathant]

Can't RITC and ninhotline text each other? You fookers are trolling Twitter!!! :P

Sorry about that, totally got carried away.

[Krazy]

^^^ was gonna tell you two crazy kids to go get a room, heh.

[frothy_ham]

Thought I'd share this from the NIN subreddit:

and my response


a stinkin' rut? jeezzzz...

Your first mistake was expecting much from the NIN subreddit. I was originally excited to find that the there WAS a NIN subreddit, but it has since become one of my less frequented online NIN communities...the vibe overall seems much more whiny and negative than others...or maybe I'm just tired of Reddit in general.

[Shadaloo]

I am moving into my new apartment this weekend.

My GF is giving me a set of surround sound speakers before said move.

In 2004, I picked up TDS' 5.1 release (and would soon do the same for W_T). I had no surround sound system. But I knew that one day, the day would come.

I could have done this at a friend's, but I wanted to wait until I was in my own space. There's just something more rewarding when it is.

This weekend. Fuck. Yeah.

[eversonpoe]

I am moving into my new apartment this weekend.

My GF is giving me a set of surround sound speakers before said move.

In 2004, I picked up TDS' 5.1 release (and would soon do the same for W_T). I had no surround sound system. But I knew that one day, the day would come.

I could have done this at a friend's, but I wanted to wait until I was in my own space. There's just something more rewarding when it is.

This weekend. Fuck. Yeah.

just make sure your surround receiver is calibrated correctly (most of the good ones allow you to set distance and levels individually for each speaker) and in a passive surround mode (so it won't add any processing).

also, have fun!

[wizfan]

I am moving into my new apartment this weekend.

My GF is giving me a set of surround sound speakers before said move.

In 2004, I picked up TDS' 5.1 release (and would soon do the same for W_T). I had no surround sound system. But I knew that one day, the day would come.

I could have done this at a friend's, but I wanted to wait until I was in my own space. There's just something more rewarding when it is.

This weekend. Fuck. Yeah.

I remember the first time I listened to TDS in 5.1. The abrupt beginning of Reptile had scared me shitless.

[screwdriver]

I remember the first time I listened to TDS in 5.1. The abrupt beginning of Reptile had scared me shitless.

heresy, man.... Fucking a that came alive

[jmtd]

Ill have to relisten to TDS 5.1 sometime. I skimmed it and it sounded freshly abrasive and challenging. I just picked up w_t 5.1 and listened to about half of it. I didn't hear much in the rear channels until "only" where the panning is crazy. I don't think I've got the setup quite right though (and I think my pioneer bcs 222 might be a bit crappy as far as 5.1 systems go)

[MrSlfDstruct]

This had made me realize that I no longer have a means to listen to DVD-A or SACD. I forgot they took it out of the newer PS3s :(

TDS 20th anniversary on Blu-ray? :D

[jmtd]

We are fast approaching the 10 year anniversary of With Teeth

[frothy_ham]

We are fast approaching the 10 year anniversary of With Teeth

Jesus-fucking-Christ that makes me feel old.

[rhet]

Jesus-fucking-Christ that makes me feel old. woah!! me too.