Random NIN Thoughts

[MAD]

I'M NOT EVEN SORRY! :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/MrPnwLjZbHs (http://youtu.be/MrPnwLjZbHs)

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/dbtech/thanks/images/dislikes.png MAD (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=136) facepalmed this post

[Vertigo]

Two thumbs up with an accompanying "Eyyyyyyy!".

[opal]

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/dbtech/thanks/images/dislikes.png MAD (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=136) facepalmed this post

Am I the only one who checked if there actually is a "facepalm" button?

[eversonpoe]

Am I the only one who checked if there actually is a "facepalm" button?

it can only be used by site moderators. hence why they all just facepalmed your post...

[Vertigo]

It's a perk for donators too. Though I think that's my first time using it...


:edit: I feel really bad now. I'm sorry for facepalming you Everson.

[sheepdean]

Donate money > support the site > get facepalm > ??? > profit!

[Indefinite_Cure]

I loved how Trent would lurk over th thread about a new album that had just come out to see our comments and thoughts and then he would reply with quote someone who rants about how bad the new album is and say something like «I LOVE YOU!!» ...I also remember him answering in the thread «worst NIN songs ever» something like «Love this thread! Love you guys! xoxo!»

Made me laugh!

[Endlessly]

^^ I was pretty fond of the time he went into one of the concert review threads and made two posts, one right after the other. If I remember right they basically ran, "This show was GREAT! They played all of my favorite songs, especially Head Like A Hole!" and then, "This show was the WORST! They didn't play any of my favorite songs, and I'm so sick of hearing Head Like A Hole!"

[sick among the pure]

Basically, Trent is a funny fucking dude, and we wish he would goof around here more often.
I'll never forget when someone compared (some Year Zero song?) to KMFDM and he got SO PISSED that someone compared anything he did to "KMFD-fucking-M" or however he worded it.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Basically, Trent is a funny fucking dude, and we wish he would goof around here more often.
I'll never forget when someone compared (some Year Zero song?) to KMFDM and he got SO PISSED that someone compared anything he did to "KMFD-fucking-M" or however he worded it.


*EDIT*

It's things like this that make me wish we could relive *the old* ETS

[allegro]

Remember the time he told Jinsai to go rub some Vagisil in his ears?


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[witte]

Family Freese shows up in 'the lab'
http://instagram.com/p/SjsOdlKE-V/

NIN!

[jessamineny]

What does he DO with all that snark now? *sadface*

[sheepdean]

Basically, Trent is a funny fucking dude, and we wish he would goof around here more often.
I'll never forget when someone compared (some Year Zero song?) to KMFDM and he got SO PISSED that someone compared anything he did to "KMFD-fucking-M" or however he worded it.Didn't he remix KMFDM once?

[Trains]

Remember the time he told Jinsai to go rub some Vagisil in his ears?


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And let's not forget that time where there was a thread called '10 things that make NIN' or something along those lines, and he posted "11) have a load of cunts for fans". Good times.

[Shnoorum]

I never knew he actually posted here from time to time. Thats pretty awesome. Would be funny to see how he'd respond to some of the critical responses to the recent albums. Out of curiosity, in what context did he want Jinsai to rub vagisil in his ears? I'm assuming theres no way to check these comments out, now that the old ETS is gone?

[Pyract]

I seem to remember his first 20 posts or so were exclusively for trashing Chris Vrenna, calling him a musical janitor among other things. Before anyone knew it was him, Levi asked him what Vrenna did so heinously to attract so much of his time and attention.

[allegro]

I never knew he actually posted here from time to time. Thats pretty awesome. Would be funny to see how he'd respond to some of the critical responses to the recent albums. Out of curiosity, in what context did he want Jinsai to rub vagisil in his ears? I'm assuming theres no way to check these comments out, now that the old ETS is gone?
Jinsai complained that the show was too loud. It was in the Tour Journal (http://web.archive.org/web/20050822095911/http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewforum.php?f=17). <-- edited link to be more specific.

[Shnoorum]

Jinsai complained that the show was too loud. I believe this was one of the club shows on the With Teeth tour. It was somewhere in the Tour Journal (http://web.archive.org/web/20110205220213/http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=8d2b276e4efc83ad867ff68436c0c704).

Ah thanks alot for that. Never thought of using the Wayback Machine. Should be an amusing read

[wizfan]

Aren't some of his posts stored in the Wayback Archive version of the old ETS?

EDIT: Stupid me, thanks allegro.

[marodi]

One of my favorite post by him was when Year Zero came out and some people were making noises about HYPERPOWER! and he wrote something like "it's so awesome it could have been called HYPERPOWER!!!"

And wasn't there something at some point about his grammar?

No matter how much I love new ETS, I miss Old ETS still...

[Callahan]

Wow...after going through those web archives of ETS, it really makes me miss the old ETS as well. I always liked the simplicity of it, anytime I visited any other board I got turned off by how much of a clutter it was.

[wizfan]

Yeah. No signatures, no fancy stuff, no anything. It's great that Levi strived to preserve the efficiency of the old site for this forum.

[allegro]

One of my favorite post by him was when Year Zero came out and some people were making noises about HYPERPOWER! and he wrote something like "it's so awesome it could have been called HYPERPOWER!!!"

And wasn't there something at some point about his grammar?

See this: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=132647&page=3 About halfway down.


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[jessamineny]

For some reason, that link takes you to Page 1 instead of Page 3, which is where you were really pointing us.

[allegro]

Weird. When I click the link it shows up where it's supposed to (page 3). *shrug* [it was probably in my cache]

[Shnoorum]

Huh, I did not expect quite what I saw there. This one had me in stitches though

"GODDAMNIT that title put me in a shitty mood. I KNEW IT!!! TOTALLY ****ING SUCKS!!!!!
I'm not even going to go to the trouble of stealing it when it leaks because it sucks so much.
I'm going to sit here with my PS3 (it RULEZ - wii SUX) and laugh at the people that think the iPhone is cool (hahaha no 3G!!!!)

Oh, what's the point."

I'm assuming that was referring to "HYPERPOWER!" since there were other quotes about that. It was quoted out of context however so I'm unsure. Just like now infact

[allegro]

Oh shit pay dirt!

http://web.archive.org/web/20060515162739/http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/search.php?search_author=teitan

[allegro]

He and Rob also [cough allegedly cough] shared this login:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070315051850/http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/search.php?search_author=broken_soul&sid=2e9a39d735470dfa4b080323f0412571

[Shnoorum]

I'm loving this. This comment really must have fucked with some people.


"The new album does NOT suck. Trust me.
I should know. I'm Trent, right?"

Unless that really wasn't Trent and we all look like a bunch of twats right now

[allegro]

That was before he outed himself. I seem to remember that his first post (which was deleted by mods before they knew he had a login) was a thread encouraging people to send hate mail to John Malm.

And the shit storm he got into with Dillon and Clouser was also deleted.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Oh shit pay dirt!

http://web.archive.org/web/20060515162739/http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/search.php?search_author=teitan

LOL "Fuck you Saturnine" :)

[marodi]

Thank you, allegro!

Ah teitan... the sarcasim™ was strong with this one.

[Demogorgon]

YES! I was just thinking about this the other day, and was unable to find it. I think there was a NIN v. KMFDM and possibly NIN v. Pig.... while fairly certain Steve White did some remixes for TR, still not sure which album they would be on.

KMFDM's "Light" had a remix called the "Fat Back Dub mix" by NIN, if i'm remembering the title correctly. i've got it floating around somewhere.

[imail724]

Yeah, it's available on the Light single and Extra volume 2.

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[witte]

http://instagram.com/p/So7zGxqE1w/

http://blog.califaudio.com/2010/05/how-to-destroy-angels-believers-wired.html

I was hoping the see the same floor, looks like it, but I think it's not. Josh's pic shows a more aged floor.

[kenthebear]

I just realised that come april it'll be the same length of time between then and year zero as with teeth and the fragile. Really doesn't seem that long when he's releasing several projects a year, I guess.

[sheepdean]

I just realised that come april it'll be the same length of time between then and year zero as with teeth and the fragile. Really doesn't seem that long when he's releasing several projects a year, I guess.
But YZ wasn't the last NIN album...

[sick among the pure]

But YZ wasn't the last NIN album...

The Fragile wasn't the last NIN release before With Teeth either.

[kenthebear]

But YZ wasn't the last NIN album...

Yeah that's the point. The same length of time seems shorter in nin-terms when more stuff is released.

[Amaro]

Basically, Trent is a funny fucking dude, and we wish he would goof around here more often.
I'll never forget when someone compared (some Year Zero song?) to KMFDM and he got SO PISSED that someone compared anything he did to "KMFD-fucking-M" or however he worded it.

I remember that. Trent said something like "The day I rip off Sascha is a sad fucking day indeed." I seem to remember it happening on the NIN forums?

[WorzelG]

^^didn't it start 'you.. go fuck yourself..now' ?

[Amaro]

^^didn't it start 'you.. go fuck yourself..now' ?

lol Possibly.

I was recently wondering how the NIN forums were holding up these days...

[kenthebear]

You: go fuck yourself. Now. The day I steal something from KMFD-Fucking-M is a sad fucking day indeed. Call up Sasha and have him sue me if you feel that strongly about it, meanwhile let everyone have some goddamned fun without you pissing on the parade.

(it was on the wiki)

[butter_hole]

in that neogaf post, they mention trent busting someone for talking about a year zero sampler. is a link to those posts available?

[eversonpoe]

today, i listened to Year Zero all the way through for the first time since...2008? i still don't love it, but i like it way more than i did back when it came out, and i think i've narrowed down my distaste for the album: trent's vocals.

now, i understand he was trying to portray characters, and i usually love his voice, but i can't stand the majority of his vocals on the album. they feel goofy and out of place, and it makes me uncomfortable to listen to some of the songs. and i hate feeling that way. the majority of the instrumental work is FANTASTIC, and i love the sound he was going for, and think he did a fantastic job. i also love the story and ARG that surround the album, as it makes the music a much more visceral experience.

anyway, i've finally figured out why, after so many years, year zero just doesn't sit well with me. i love the music, don't like most of the vocals, and still can't stand Capital G.

has anyone constructed a fully instrumental version of the album using the multi-tracks?

[r_z]

has anyone constructed a fully instrumental version of the album using the multi-tracks?

yes. it's downloadable via remix.nin.com. you'll find it under "featured" playlists. trent uploaded them himself.

[scorpiusdiamond]

I love the fact that Trent is billed fourth on the Sound City poster etc. - above Rick Rubin and members of Fleetwood Mac and Nirvana.
Either he contributed a lot to the film or Dave Grohl has a tonne of respect for him

[Conan The Barbarian]

Because he knows Trent is a money maker.

[sick among the pure]

today, i listened to Year Zero all the way through for the first time since...2008? i still don't love it, but i like it way more than i did back when it came out, and i think i've narrowed down my distaste for the album: trent's vocals.

now, i understand he was trying to portray characters, and i usually love his voice, but i can't stand the majority of his vocals on the album. they feel goofy and out of place, and it makes me uncomfortable to listen to some of the songs. and i hate feeling that way. the majority of the instrumental work is FANTASTIC, and i love the sound he was going for, and think he did a fantastic job. i also love the story and ARG that surround the album, as it makes the music a much more visceral experience.

anyway, i've finally figured out why, after so many years, year zero just doesn't sit well with me. i love the music, don't like most of the vocals, and still can't stand Capital G.

has anyone constructed a fully instrumental version of the album using the multi-tracks?

Trent's had instrumental versions of every song off YZ on remix.nin.com for years.

[eversonpoe]

Trent's had instrumental versions of every song off YZ on remix.nin.com for years.

i honestly don't think i've visited the site since it first opened. i had no idea! thanks, guys.

[Dethbryte]

The older I get, the harder I find it to relate to anything prior to Awitha Teetha. I still enjoy the albums, I just can't get into them like I could when I was such an angsty teenager mad at the world.

I know TDS has an instrumental version, but if we ever get a TF instrumental, I might be able to die happy.

[joplinpicasso]

^^^ I had that exact thought today. Not that it's harder to relate to pre-2005 NIN, but my situation right now has me directly relating to all the themes dealt with on WT.

Also, A Mix Of All That There Ever Was is immense and amazing! I can't believe it took me this long to listen to a single disc in full. On to the next two!

[kenthebear]

got the scoops of trent recording the next nin video hope u enjoy

http://i.minus.com/iW1IZu1G6zyD8.gif

[hellospaceboy]

^^^
That looks like a How To Destroy Angels video to me :)

[joplinpicasso]

got the scoops of trent recording the next nin video hope u enjoy

It was hard for me to actually NOT see that as TR at first.

[Vertigo]

I'd probably figure HTDA as Trent's finest project to date if all the videos were filled with flailing, ludicrously un-co-ordinated dancing in the style of early Prodigy videos.

[dominik]

aaaaand again i'm browsing the tattoo thread on nin.com and I haven't found a single one that looks good..

edit: the worst ones are the Slip artwork tattoos.. ugh.

[hobochic]

got the scoops of trent recording the next nin video hope u enjoy

http://i.minus.com/iW1IZu1G6zyD8.gif

I don't know why, but I kept staring at this image for an unnecessary long period of time; got touched by some death angst, age angst, time flies reflections, and concluded that Olivia Newton John still looks pretty dishy and fully bangable.

[butter_hole]

i cant tell if travoltas wallet chain is part of a costume or if he actually wears one

[Euphemism]

Hey guys, I talked to Mr. Uhls about the YZ tv series on FB again, he kindly messaged me back and while it is a little cryptic, it does shed some light on the situation.



Me: Hey Jim, I read Trent Reznor's Reddit session today where he discusses the Year Zero TV show. He mentioned that himself and Rob Sheridan have been delegated to writing for the series. They said it was because the writer they had difficulties working with their writer. I'm not fully conscious of your role in the project, I had originally read the Daniel Knauf was attached. Can you confirm your continuing involvement just to set my mind at ease? Thanks again for your time. I understand if you are unable to answer this, thank you for responding the first time, I wish you success in all your future work!




Jim Uhls: It's a lot more complicated than that, and has to do with me being a "servant of two masters," as there was disagreement between Trent and the other producers.


A little disappointing, but I'm still holding out hope for the series...

[botley]

I feel like NIN releasing a greatest-hits with new songs 25 years after their first record is blatant Rock & Roll Hall of Fame-bait.

[Leviathant]

I feel like NIN releasing a greatest-hits with new songs 25 years after their first record is blatant Rock & Roll Hall of Fame-bait.

I think of it more as "Wrapping up contractual obligations with Interscope"

[onthewall2983]

That was my first thought too.

[bgalbraith]

The Daisy idea is intriguing. I'm imagining it kinda of like Pandora, where you start with a music "expert" or curator instead of a sample song. You would then get a selection of their tastes. Kind of like Trent's 80's synthpop playlist on Spotify, only generated instead of fixed. Somewhere between pure algorithm and Internet DJ.

[scorpiusdiamond]

I think of it more as "Wrapping up contractual obligations with Interscope"

Yeah, we even knew this was coming a while ago.
Although 2014?!?! It's mental to even fathom something that far into the future. And will it be two NEW songs or just something like 'Non-Entity' a b-side from another album?
edit: Also, Daisy better not be geo-locked like Pandora is. That'd suck.

[sheepdean]

I really hope this is the definitive collection, so that casual fans are exposed to some fucking great tracks via Deep Cuts

[kenthebear]

trent chose to name a music streaming service after his dog.

that rules.

[witte]

I think of it more as "Wrapping up contractual obligations with Interscope"
With 2 new songs....

Does that mean NIN is back with Interscope?

Remember, Iovine is also involved with TR in BbD.

[jessamineny]

trent chose to name a music streaming service after his dog.

that rules.

Doubtful. More likely "daisy chain"

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1304-Daisy-the-streaming-service-from-Beats-by-Dr-Dre-and-Trent-Reznor?p=60455#post60455



(http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1304-Daisy-the-streaming-service-from-Beats-by-Dr-Dre-and-Trent-Reznor?p=60455#post60455)
With 2 new songs....

Does that mean NIN is back with Interscope?

I'd guess it's why most artists put new songs on greatest-hits albums... to pull in more sales.

[sheepdean]

WOAH I just had a thought
What if it's not two "new" songs, but two songs we know he recorded under Interscope, Now I'm Nothing and Sex Dwarf? That way he wouldn't give anything new to the label, but still give the fans something.

[Leviathant]

I'd wager that it's not necessarily that NIN is 'back with Interscope' so much as they owe Interscope one more album on their contract, and that when they split way back when, it was understood that Trent could do his own thing without incurring the wrath of Interscope lawyers so long as at some point he completes his original 7-record-deal with Interscope. (PHM, TDS, TF,
AATCHB, WT, YZ, NIN's Career Retrospective)

[MrSlfDstruct]

We've known that was coming forever as TR even said something to the tune of still owing Interscope some "bullshit greatest hits" thing. The timing seems like it'd be up to Interscope, who I doubt cares if NIN is in the HOF at this point.

[botley]

Interscope certainly would care... there are big marketing tie-in possibilities, should NIN ever be inducted. 2014 happens to be the first year the band is eligible.

[Leviathant]

I imagine he already gets bonus points for starting his musical career in Cleveland, of all places.

[slave2thewage]

I hope the two "new" songs are The Life You Didn't Lead and Just Do It.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Interscope certainly would care... there are big marketing tie-in possibilities, should NIN ever be inducted. 2014 happens to be the first year the band is eligible.

Yeah, I guess they could push the back catalog as part of the hullabaloo. Maybe with some luck they'd be open to working with TR for some sweet re-releases (Broken deluxe??).

Really though, is induction a big deal in the industry? That's not meant to be derogatory or anything, I've just never seen a lot of hype built up around the Hall or the inductions, aside from the yearly concert.


I hope the two "new" songs are The Life You Didn't Lead and Just Do It.

I thought it was confirmed that Just Do It was never recorded. I'd love to hear it as well, the fact that it was so controversial to even those working on the album, on an album already sparking controversy, is intriguing.

[Warped_Savant]

Re: Contractual Obligation

I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that Trent was free of his contract with Interscope back in 2007. Interscope, for some reason, considered Year Zero Remixed as the 7th, and final, album.

08 october 2007: big news

hello everyone. i've waited a long time to be able to make the
following announcement: as of right now nine inch nails is a totally
free agent, free of any recording contract with any label. i have
been under recording contracts for 18 years and have watched the
business radically mutate from one thing to something inherently very
different and it gives me great pleasure to be able to finally have a
direct relationship with the audience as i see fit and appropriate.
look for some announcements in the near future regarding 2008.
exciting times, indeed.
posted by trent reznor at 10:45 am.
(taken from: http://web.archive.org/web/20071009090340/http://www.nin.com/

Also, on the Wikipedia entry for Year Zero Remixed: This album was the last Nine Inch Nails album to be released by Interscope Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interscope_Records); it fulfilled the band's contractual commitments to the company, leaving Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor to proceed as a "totally free agent, free of any recording contract with any label".

[sheepdean]

The contract most likely specifically stipulates a greatest hits release, rather than "one more album"

[jessamineny]

It's more a language thing... there's no requirement on TR's part to fulfill the contract. As part of the record contract, Interscope held/holds the rights (http://www.billboard.com/news/post-interscope-reznor-focusing-on-new-album-1003655952.story#/news/post-interscope-reznor-focusing-on-new-album-1003655952.story) to release a greatest hits collection at some point in the future. They can do it if they wanna.

[slave2thewage]

I'm trying to track down the quote, but didn't TR mention "the inevitable greatest hits" at the time of his split from Interscope?

[FULLMETAL]

I've always thought the 2 new songs for the greatest hits would be "Not So Pretty Now" & "Non-Entity" giving them an official release outside of the tour sampler.

[matt925]

Have to think that "two new songs" means two new songs. Especially with an album following and him previously saying he would work on nin throughout 2012. Excited!

[gorast]

I think the two new songs would be Trent's way of making the collection less of a cash-in for Interscope, or to make it just a bit more worthwhile for the obsessive fans that'll buy it because it has a Halo number. Which it most likely will.

It also seems like Trent's just going to use the best-of release as a way to generate some buzz for the album coming after that, which will most likely be another independent Null release. He said that signing with Columbia was for promotional purposes to get HTDA out into the open more; none of that is necessary for NIN.

[jessamineny]

He said that signing with Columbia was for promotional purposes to get HTDA out into the open more; none of that is necessary for NIN.

Well, he has mentioned that labels could be good for NIN for marketing, especially in the international markets. He related a story (http://www.spin.com/articles/trent-reznor-david-byrne-major-labels-destroy-angels-radiohead)about how he was on tour overseas and had trouble finding his records in stores, and didn't see flyers for his concerts.

I think I've said this before, but he's doing so many things now in so many different disciplines. When he went independent, it was just NIN that he (and his manager and Rob) were running. Now he has a new band, and all the other projects (including ones we don't know about, I'm sure), plus a family. That's a lot to manage, and turning back to a label to handle/worry about some of those marketing and distribution tasks might not be so distasteful.

[gorast]

Ah, yeah, there is that. I didn't mean to imply that re-signing with Interscope or any other label would be distasteful (and I'm not saying that you accused me of that, either [this is getting too complicated]), but I just figured that maybe Trent would prefer to retain control over everything he's doing with NIN, top to bottom. Because he has so many things he's working on, maybe an enormous income from a single project isn't what he's aiming for anymore. Perhaps he could hire a marketing company for the exposure aspect. I'm not sure, I'm not in the business so I have no idea if any of that is even feasible.

In any case, I don't think he'll be going back to Interscope for any reason. My bet is that if he brings NIN back into a major label, he'll go with Columbia again.

[ManBurning]

This is good, but yet upsetting news at the same time, about the "2 new songs". It's good for obvious reasons, new NIN material... But it's bad because it's not being released until 2014... That's along time away. Meaning, there will be no new NIN material between now and 2014. Also, it says he will be recording a full blown NIN record right after that, meaning 2015 release for a proper NIN release!?!?! geez...

Whatever happened to this "so called 2013 tour" that is being planned. he seriously going out on the road with Terrible Lie and HLAH again? I mean, i'm as stoked as the next person for NIN's return to stage, I even jumped the gun and booked the week off after coachella in case he does start his tour then, but I was hoping we'd get some new material on the road... I'm hoping he at least debut's these "2 new tracks" live on the road for this 2013 tour, that would at least keep be satisfied.

[sheepdean]

What 2013 tour?

[fillow]

Whatever happened to this "so called 2013 tour" that is being planned. he seriously going out on the road with Terrible Lie and HLAH again?
This can only mean he's gonna tour The Fragile Deluxe :D

[ManBurning]

What 2013 tour?

He's touring this spring, you'll see.

He's taking our good friends HTDA on tour and he needs some bait for people to go to the show... guess who's headlining? Starts with an "N"

EDIT: Sorry, i'll explain my post a little more logically without being a dink.

I am surprised with your response based on the fact you were a very active reader/commenter in the "So, NIN is back together, huh?" Thread created about 3 weeks ago. We all speculated about the return of NIN to the touring bus.

This was all prompted by all the NIN spottings about NIN being added to coachella this year, which I think is pretty legit.

Further proof of this so called "2013 tour" came straight from the horse's mouth with the following 2 comments from his reddit session a few weeks back.

"Thank you. I spend a lot of time and energy thinking about how music is presented live. Lights in the Sky was probably my favorite live show I've worked on so far. This was a real collaboration between myself, Rob, Roy Bennett, and Moment Factory. We set out to make an experience and I really felt proud to put that on every night. Cryptic additional comment: 2013."

And



Aside from destroy angel's new EP, what's next for you? (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/134vgv/i_am_trent_reznor_of_nine_inch_nails_and_how_to/c70ulcg?context=3)
A number of things. Tweaking some things for the HTDA full LP (coming in Spring), helping Josh out on a new QOTSA track, working with Roy, starting rehearsals for two bands.




If that's not enough proof there is a tour in the works, I don't know what is.

[sheepdean]

I still don't think NIN is touring in 2013, he's never THAT blatant without just saying it. It could easily be something else, or a one off show with Dre to promote Pandora Spotify Last.Fm Turntable.Fm Daisy or something. A full blown tour, with HTDA and the writing of a NIN album and Daisy and whatever else he's doing seems so unlikely to me.

[ManBurning]

It probably won't be "full blown" in the sense of going out for 6 months and hitting every country on the planet like he has in the past, but I think he'll do a short tour that lasts no longer than a month to take his angels on the road, hitting the major markets.

I think he knows angels can't support a full blown show this early in it's career, so he's thinking of a way to get exposure to it. What other way than resurrect NIN for some live shows to bring angels along.

They have 2 small children now, so unless they take them on the road with them, which is very unlikely, they won't be gone for long. Maybe he is only going to do Coachella and a couple club dates around then in California, but I am a beleiver that NIN is back on the road in one form or another for 2013.

[sheepdean]

If a tour is both NIN and HTDA, you're going to have one of those bands playing really poorly because Trent is too tired. You'd have to open with NIN (as HTDA puts him in a lesser role), which fans wouldn't like, and you'd either have Rob, Q and Atticus in both bands, or have three people with their limelight completely stolen. If NIN tour next year, I doubt it will be alongside HTDA.

[WorzelG]

Trent's made such an effort to distance HTDA from being just NIN with female vocals, he's hardly going to tour them together.

Reading that New Yorker article, it seemed to say that, apart from the 2 songs for Interscope, he was going to BEGIN writing a new NIN album after that, so in 2014. This makes me wonder if the stuff in 2013 he spoke of cryptically in the Reddit thing was a tour to promote the deluxe Fragile release, playing the album all the way through or something

I just can't see this going down well with a festival audience, so I don't think festivals would be involved

[BenAkenobi]

tour or no tour, two new songs or twenty, with or without interscope, i'm simply glad trent is up to something

[ManBurning]

. This makes me wonder if the stuff in 2013 he spoke of cryptically in the Reddit thing was a tour to promote the deluxe Fragile release, playing the album all the way through or something

I just can't see this going down well with a festival audience, so I don't think festivals would be involved

I am convinced he will do the whole "play the fragile from front to back" sometime in his career still, I just don't see it being in 2013. Reason being, why release TF next year, it only turns 14. Someone here wrote that the deluxe version of TF will probaably be released in 2014, just in time for a 15 year anniversary. That actually makes some sense. Then a short tour to promote that at the end of 2014, write NIN stuff on the road, release an album in 2015 and maybe tour behind that again. if Interscope plan on releasing a best of album in 2014, seem more likley to release TF deluxe then as well and tour while he has 2 fresh new releases.

So, this brings us back to the question... what the bloody hell IS he touring with in 2013?

I have a new thought, he's gonna do HTDA, and either he will open or close the show with just him on a piano doing "still" type reconstructed songs. It will be called "an evening with Trent Reznor and HTDA" then I can see Atticus and Q and rob maybe joing in for some other accoustic instruments for the NIN "sessions" so he doesn't have to hire another band.

[BenAkenobi]

Someone here wrote that the deluxe version of TF will probaably be released in 2014, just in time for a 15 year anniversary. That actually makes some sense.

you mean just like PHM 2010 reissue which came out exactly on anniversary date?

[WorzelG]

So, this brings us back to the question... what the bloody hell IS he touring with in 2013?

I have a new thought, he's gonna do HTDA, and either he will open or close the show with just him on a piano doing "still" type reconstructed songs. It will be called "an evening with Trent Reznor and HTDA" then I can see Atticus and Q and rob maybe joing in for some other accoustic instruments for the NIN "sessions" so he doesn't have to hire another band.

oh I like that idea

[icklekitty]

I'm trying to track down the quote, but didn't TR mention "the inevitable greatest hits" at the time of his split from Interscope?

It was in that thing he did in New York not long ago, I think. I remember video of him saying "we still owe them some greatest hits bullshit" - same interview where he said he'd be open to talking to Manson because "I wear suits now".

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

oh I like that idea

As much as I reeeally like that idea, I feel like that wouldn't keep HTDA seperated as its own entity, which is what it needs right now. Touring and sharing the bill with "Trent Reznor" or "Nine Inch Nails" would only reinforce HTDA's current popular status as "Trent Reznor's side project," and I think Trent knows that. I think if he does any touring for HTDA, it won't be with NIN or TR solo material.

I could see a NIN song being covered/reinterpreted by HTDA on tour, though.

(Sorry, I realize this was more about HTDA than NIN, heh.)

@ManBurning (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=33) - re-reading those quotes got me all kinds of giddy. :D Whatever's in the works, it's gonna be great.

[gorast]

Someone here wrote that the deluxe version of TF will probaably be released in 2014, just in time for a 15 year anniversary. That actually makes some sense.

you mean just like PHM 2010 reissue which came out exactly on anniversary date?
That was never billed as an anniversary release, though. Just a remaster.

[butter_hole]

That was never billed as an anniversary release, though. Just a remaster.
So why does the Fragile have to be an anniversary release?

[gorast]

Because, from what we've heard about it over the past three years, it's getting the deluxe treatment far beyond what TDS got. PHM will probably be a joke compared to what we'll get when the Fragile reissue comes out. Thus, it makes more sense to wait for another milestone anniversary to release The Fragile as opposed to PHM.

[jmtd]

I hope the two "new" songs are The Life You Didn't Lead and Just Do It.

I mean, why on earth? Why would you want two song titles from 1994, which I'm still convinced don't exist in any form beyond a concept, rather than something reflecting his talents today?

Edit: of course, TLYDL is a song title from 2004 not 1994. My point stands I think.

Edit again: sadly, I think it makes sense for TF to be rereleased in 2014 to avoid diluting HTDA. But damn am I pissed about that. The 5.1 mix was completed already!

[fillow]

The new songs are I Like Dudes and (hopefully) Josh Homme song from YZ sessions

[konstantin]

I mean, why on earth? Why would you want two song titles from 1994, [...] rather than something reflecting his talents today?

you mean we need more variations of Ghosts I-IV/TSN/TGWTDT/HTDA EP1+EP2?

[seasonsinthesky]

it'd be cool if there were a bonus disc of alternates and rarities. considering it's doubtful they'd be on The Fragile re-release (save the actual vinyl), perhaps that'd be a good way to get the alternate/unedited versions of those songs onto CD, and space for a high quality release of some of the remix rarities TR put on remix.nin.com.

also kinda wondering if Interscope will push to milk it like EMI did with the best of Radiohead release, where the limited second disc had exactly one b-side and was otherwise full of other album songs everyone already owned. i suppose they had a reissue campaign for all the separate albums for which they kept b-sides.

[butter_hole]

The new songs are I Like Dudes and (hopefully) Josh Homme song from YZ sessions
i thought that was in this twilight?

[fillow]

i thought that was in this twilight?
i don't think so. josh isn't credited anywhere on YZ and neither trent nor josh mentioned any specific songs. josh, however, said in some Era Vulgaris/Year Zero-era interview that the song he did with NIN did't made it onto the album (can't remember the exact quote)

[DigitalChaos]

am I the only one that hopes one of the "two new songs" include a solid recording of Sex Dwarf?

[NotoriousTIMP]

am I the only one that hopes one of the "two new songs" include a solid recording of Sex Dwarf?

I 2nd this....

[Ryan]

Is it me or does this look like Atticus?

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/77041_497506100293937_687371000_n.jpg

[sheepdean]

am I the only one that hopes one of the "two new songs" include a solid recording of Sex Dwarf?


WOAH I just had a thought
What if it's not two "new" songs, but two songs we know he recorded under Interscope, Now I'm Nothing and Sex Dwarf? That way he wouldn't give anything new to the label, but still give the fans something.

I think that it makes 100% more sense to put old songs that haven't been released before - that way, old fans are sure to want it, and less people get pissed off about the whole greatest hits thing.

And he doesn't have to tease anything from Halo 28 that way either. Unless he hides it in the pregap or something. ARG.

[sick among the pure]

I just want a good studio version of Now I'm Nothing into Terrible Lie. One of my favorite pairing of songs ever.

[seasonsinthesky]

it's pretty unfortunate he didn't actually record "Now I'm Nothing," then...

[elementroejoy]

I've always thought the 2 new songs for the greatest hits would be "Not So Pretty Now" & "Non-Entity" giving them an official release outside of the tour sampler.
Totally agree, Trent mentioned in the fan interview that he never got permission to release those songs saying "you don't really want to ask me that do you? Because then I'd have to say I should have asked permission but I didn't". So I could see Interscope releasing those "officially" and maybe not even knowing Trent put those on the tour sampler.

[BenAkenobi]

Rejected songs on Best Of album, are you sure? Zoo station might be more appropriate

[jmtd]

This review reminds me why I hate NME: http://www.nin-pages.de/album_Fragile_NME.htm

[elementroejoy]

Rejected songs on Best Of album, are you sure? Zoo station might be more appropriate
Its not like they were songs that TR hated, he played them live on tour and then released them to fans. Pretty sure he just didn't put them on WT because he couldn't find an album flow he liked with them. Trent has even said in interviews that there is not a big collection of completed songs that he hasn't released. I really don't believe that when this thing is released it will feature 2 brand new never-before-heard songs. Marketing a greatest hits to the general public with NSPN and NE as "new" songs seems more likely. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.

[sick among the pure]

Rejected songs on Best Of album, are you sure? Zoo station might be more appropriate

Non-Entity was not a reject, he wrote it for the Katrine relief, and then continued to refine the song to use for the summer WT tour.

[jessamineny]

not according to ninwiki (http://www.ninwiki.com/Non_Entity)

And the fact that it features Grohl on drums would strongly indicate it was a With Teeth track

[r_z]

Didn't he originally plan to do a Radiohead-like (KidA/Amnesiac) thing with WT and its (to this day) unreleased songs? Non-Entity might have been planned for the follow up, that never got released because of YZ (and maybe of what he came to think about his "popped up" "comeback" material).

[Khrz]

The last time I heard him mention the Kid A/Amnesiac move was about The Fragile, where he reckoned that it would probably have been a better idea to split the release in two and spend less time crafting a double juggernaut.

[jmtd]

not according to ninwiki (http://www.ninwiki.com/Non_Entity)

And the fact that it features Grohl on drums would strongly indicate it was a With Teeth track

Agreed. But ninwiki also says it's a b-side, which it clearly isn't.

[ItsJustDave]

Agreed. But ninwiki also says it's a b-side, which it clearly isn't.

It fits my definition of b-side. What's yours?

[sheepdean]

Pedantically, a b side is the other side of the vinyl. So, they don't really exist much anymore.

[botley]

A lot of fan-bitching about the content of NIN's singles in the past was partly because the singles tended to follow the vagaries of chart classification rules and DJ-centric vinyl configuration; ie, they were not targeted at servicing fans but rather at maximizing promotional impact.

This is by way of saying: fuck B-sides, long live bonus tracks.

[sheepdean]

Um, aren't all singles targeted at maximising promotional impact? Isn't that like, their purpose?

[BenAkenobi]

they'll call it И-sides

[botley]

Um, aren't all singles targeted at maximising promotional impact? Isn't that like, their purpose?
Right, which is why the fan-bitching was so silly. We might as well bitch at the record companies for having foreign pressing plants that put out different versions of the packaging we need to collect.

[FernandoDante]

One of these days, I'll write up my interpretation of The Big Comedown's lyrics.

It's about diarrhea.

[jmtd]

It fits my definition of b-side. What's yours?

The other tracks on a single, bar the single.

[somewhat_]

I wouldn't be shocked if we got some more detailed info very soon on NIN/HTDA plans for 2013.

[fortheloveofgod]

One of these days, I'll write up my interpretation of The Big Comedown's lyrics.

It's about diarrhea.

Always liked listening to the Dallas video bar show when TR introduced every song was about fucking.

[NotoriousTIMP]

One of these days, I'll write up my interpretation of The Big Comedown's lyrics.

It's about diarrhea.

This made me LOL

[Tony]

I recently downloaded that AATCHB TV special from TPB, which features several music videos, including Deep.

I haven't been active in this forum, or really the larger community, for several years now. But watching Deep again made me come here and seek out this thread.

WHY?????? WHY??? THIS IS SUCH A FANTASTIC SONG AND GODDAMMIT WHAT A SHITSHOW OF A VIDEO. SERIOUSLY? A REPORTER? A GODDAMN REPORTER? WE GET IT, WE GET THE WHOLE DYE THING AND IT'S SORT OF CORNY BUT WHATEVER, THAT'S FINE. BUT JESUS I CROSS THE LINE WHEN YOU HAVE A GODDAMN ACTOR PRETEND TO BE A REPORTER TO EXPLAIN PARTS OF THE PLOT OF THE VIDEO.

Sorry about that, I'll go back to being a hermit.

[Highly Psychological]

Deep is without a doubt THE most underrated song in NINs entire discography. I love love love the Deep video. I bet the director had a blast making it. I love its stupid late 80s tacky Hollywood straight-to -video low budget B Movie plot. It perfectly suits the slightly dirty scuzzy beat that Deep produces.
I like it more than the video he made with David Fincher.

The scene where the Green paint blasts open with the strobe lights is brilliant and where the woman gets burnt by the orange paint looks amazing. Just like the way the color looks, that surge of it blasting really suits the epic breakdown in the song, I wish he had made more music videos like this one.

[Alpha 60]

Yeah, I don’t think they needed the reporter. I am guessing that a money handler said “I don’t understand” and then the “reporter” was created.
I don’t think the video/story even needed the “toxic dye,” either way your robbery plot is pretty screwed after that much dye explodes on everything, which could lead to same dramatic conclusion.
But, I have expressed my feelings before, I love the video and think it fits the song perfectly. It is a top 5 NIN vid for me. I know TR has expressed a dislike for it, and also realize the community mostly dislikes it, but I think it makes the song better. I wrote a big thing on fatalism and the colors on the old message board, but I won’t bore everyone here with it again, just chiming in to say I am also the rare fan that loves the video.

[Alpha 60]

sorry double post

[Vertigo]

Hate the video, love the song.

[butter_hole]

Wasn't Deep the first appearance of the whole 'add a tambourine to the second verse just because' thing NIN has done ever since?

SEVEN LAYERS OF THEIR SKIN

[Ryan]

Wasn't Deep the first appearance of the whole 'add a tambourine to the second verse just because' thing NIN has done ever since?

SEVEN LAYERS OF THEIR SKIN

Nuh uh, not when I'm Looking Forward To Joining You, Finally exists.

[somewhat_]

Can't help but think TR might be involved in this and instead of traditional NIN shows this might have been what he was referring to in the Reddit chat. (http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/01/dave-grohls-sound-city-players-set-live-debut/)

[FernandoDante]

Can't help but think TR might be involved in this and instead of traditional NIN shows this might have been what he was referring to in the Reddit chat. (http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/01/dave-grohls-sound-city-players-set-live-debut/)
Yet another thing besides HTDA, and BEFORE HTDA? I don't think that's what he was referring to.

[ManBurning]

Can't help but think TR might be involved in this and instead of traditional NIN shows this might have been what he was referring to in the Reddit chat. (http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/01/dave-grohls-sound-city-players-set-live-debut/)

I, actually would tend to beleive this. You have found a few good article.
yeah, we read into TR's Reddit the wrong way! This makes perfect sense now. Oh well, i'm a tad disappointed. Totally thought it was the return of NIN in 2013, but now that I see this article it does make sense he'd be lending a hand doing this.

This sound city stuff is probably what's going to be at Coachella, and Trent will be there giving his helping hand to this and then he will probably be playing a side stage with HTDA...

I actually hope i'm wrong and NIN does return, but at this point I tend to beleive this more. Especially when he has clearly came out and said no new NIN til 2014 when Interscope wants their "best of", he'll probably tour to back that up.

[FernandoDante]

Ok, here's my "complete" guess at what will happen:

Trent keeps himself busy with HTDA during the first half of 2013. Album and shows turn out to be sort of disappointing, only make people miss NIN even more.

Since people are desperately craving for some NIN, out comes The Fragile's deluxe edition rerelease around August (special edition will cost $200), and a US tour of the album played in its entirety (because eff you rest of the world or something?). The tour is awesome.

Then NIN is on everyone's minds again, and fans everywhere are excited for more. The Interscope compilation is released in early 2014, the two new songs are "pretty good, IMO; a mix of the old and new NIN". A regular greatest hits tour follows, this time with the rest of the world, big festivals. One new song will be played just to avoid the whole thing feeling too retro (see: A Perfect Circle (http://bit.ly/TzW1b5), Faith No More (http://bit.ly/rZpRgl)).

New NIN album scheduled for July 2014. Released December 2014.

[ManBurning]

I agree with most of the above for the most part, but the timing of each individual thing will be different. I honestly cannot see The Fragile Deluxe being released this year at all, it makes no sense. He's probably going to release that September-November 2014 for a "15th anniversary" release. a 14th anniversary release makes no sense at all.

What I think we know for sure is HTDA is going to be released this March, he'll *probably* be at coachella to support this band and then maybe do a quick west coast and possibly east coast tour at the clubs to play HTDA material to see how that pans out. I'm guessing he will be playing piano and/or keys at this Dave Grohl sound city backup band gig that's planned soon, and after all is said and done he will start writing these 2 "new NIN songs" in the summer, than give them to interscope, they will then make their "best of" compliation, release it in spring or summer 2014, The Fragile delexue will be released in time for it's 15th anniversary and a fall/winter tour will commence.

[seasonsinthesky]

a 14th anniversary release makes no sense at all.

except it's Halo 14!

[BenAkenobi]

(special edition will cost $200)
Jeez some of you are happy to be ripped off

[FernandoDante]

I agree with most of the above for the most part, but the timing of each individual thing will be different. I honestly cannot see The Fragile Deluxe being released this year at all, it makes no sense. He's probably going to release that September-November 2014 for a "15th anniversary" release. a 14th anniversary release makes no sense at all.

What I think we know for sure is HTDA is going to be released this March, he'll *probably* be at coachella to support this band and then maybe do a quick west coast and possibly east coast tour at the clubs to play HTDA material to see how that pans out. I'm guessing he will be playing piano and/or keys at this Dave Grohl sound city backup band gig that's planned soon, and after all is said and done he will start writing these 2 "new NIN songs" in the summer, than give them to interscope, they will then make their "best of" compliation, release it in spring or summer 2014, The Fragile delexue will be released in time for it's 15th anniversary and a fall/winter tour will commence.

QOTSA re-released their debut album on its 13th anniversary, and did a tour where they played the whole thing. It was supposed to be a 10th anniversary thing (like we heard The Fragile would be), but record label bullshit got in the way for 3 years.



Jeez some of you are happy to be ripped off

I wouldn't buy the $200 special edition, but I know that more than a few members of this board would be willing to go even beyond that.

[butter_hole]

Ok, here's my "complete" guess at what will happen:

Trent keeps himself busy with HTDA during the first half of 2013. Album and shows turn out to be sort of disappointing, only make people miss NIN even more.

Since people are desperately craving for some NIN, out comes The Fragile's deluxe edition rerelease around August (special edition will cost $200), and a US tour of the album played in its entirety (because eff you rest of the world or something?). The tour is awesome.

Then NIN is on everyone's minds again, and fans everywhere are excited for more. The Interscope compilation is released in early 2014, the two new songs are "pretty good, IMO; a mix of the old and new NIN". A regular greatest hits tour follows, this time with the rest of the world, big festivals. One new song will be played just to avoid the whole thing feeling too retro (see: A Perfect Circle (http://bit.ly/TzW1b5), Faith No More (http://bit.ly/rZpRgl)).

New NIN album scheduled for July 2014. Released December 2014.
how do you facepalm an entire account

[FernandoDante]

how do you facepalm an entire account
You faceplamers are taking my shit way too seriously.


Most of that is wild guessing that may or may not be random, and is based in fact as much as any other wild guesses around here. I'm just posting this here so that if any of it does occur, I can look back and point at it and say "ha".

The things I actually consider quite possible: HTDA being disappointing (I'm not the only one who's leaving that EP collecting dust by now); people reviewing the two new songs as "pretty good, IMO; a mix of the old and new NIN" (because some people will say that about EVERYTHING Trent does, ever since The Slip came out); $200 The Fragile (limited edition Ghosts I-IV cost $300 and sold out, I think guessing $200 was a bit optimistic).

[Scarlet Siren]

Not going to lie, if Tetsuo the Bullet Man was my introduction to NIN I would have run a mile and a half!

Fortunately it's not. Song of the day, btw.

[WorzelG]

Jeez some of you are happy to be ripped off

It's my 40th this year in April, a fragile deluxe would be a perfect gift actually because I'd never justify that money normally, but as a one off frivolous present, yes

Has anyone thought about who they'd like in the band if NIN did tour? I'm quite torn actually between all of them. Robin would pip the guitar thing (even if I think Aaron North did the best The Big Come Down I've heard). But really tough contest for drums, bass. Would love Alessandro to come back if it was a fivesome on keys

[sick among the pure]

Has anyone thought about who they'd like in the band if NIN did tour? I'm quite torn actually between all of them. Robin would pip the guitar thing (even if I think Aaron North did the best The Big Come Down I've heard). But really tough contest for drums, bass. Would love Alessandro to come back if it was a fivesome on keys

I personally feel like Aaron destroyed The Big Come Down. In a bad way. I'm all for noise, hell I'm a NIN fan I love noise, but his "breakdown" on BYIT ruined the entire recording of that song for me. I would hope if/when Trent got a live band back together, Robin would be in it. Other than Trent, he is the longest standing band member, and the only one who has left and come back.
As for drums, I loved Josh, he was entertaining on top of being a great drummer. Not to mention the great videos we got from him. I am a big biased that he talked to me in one of the Spiral chats though.
Bass, I think it'd be awesome if Danny came back, but idk how likely that'd be. JMJ was an awesome bassist, and over-all musician, so I would love if he came back too.
I'm not sure if Ally would want to come back, since he left in order to do his own thing.

[fillow]

I hope it's gonna be just like any other past tour (2007 excluded): some returning members + some completely new guys. Trent never had all-new team as he never had the same band (again, except 2007, but there wasn't really a big pause after WT tour).

[fwhunnercun]

I've been listening to some old live bootlegs from the Downward Spiral era lately and The Only Time is so bad ass live....just felt like I needed to share that.

[sick among the pure]

http://instagram.com/p/UaQX4cOb5B/
Danny and Robin at Josh's birthday party. Can they just grab Trent and start touring now?

[pigpen]

I have two comments/thoughts..
For whatever reason Ghosts sounds way WAY cooler to me on vinyl.. Maybe I'm an elitist vinyl hipster/nerd, but for some reason I get really bored with this release if I'm listening to it on headphones..

I'm actually pretty disappointed in how carelessly the standard vinyl packaging for Ghosts was designed.. You can't stuff FOUR LP'S in a gatefold jacket without making the spine a little wider.. Two of my discs are pretty fucking warped on account of being under so much pressure when they were stuffed in there, and then squished closed.

Oh well, thankfully the warp doesn't seem to affect playback.. Still kind of annoying

[Vertigo]

I have two comments/thoughts..
For whatever reason Ghosts sounds way WAY cooler to me on vinyl.. Maybe I'm an elitist vinyl hipster/nerd, but for some reason I get really bored with this release if I'm listening to it on headphones..


I can imagine the texture that vinyl creates would have a big effect on Ghosts. It sounds a bit clinical and cold on CD/digital in my opinion.

[jmtd]

If you are comparing hifi with speakers to headphones that will have a far bigger impact on the sound than vinyl distortion.

[eversonpoe]

If you are comparing hifi with speakers to headphones that will have a far bigger impact on the sound than vinyl distortion.

you know, i've never actually listened to vinyl on headphones. i remember when beck was working on sea change, there was an interview with him in some magazine, and a picture of him laying on the floor, listening to his turntable through headphones, and i thought it was such a neat idea...but i've still never done it.

[jmtd]

you know, i've never actually listened to vinyl on headphones. i remember when beck was working on sea change, there was an interview with him in some magazine, and a picture of him laying on the floor, listening to his turntable through headphones, and i thought it was such a neat idea...but i've still never done it.

This might sound crazy but you could record from your amp's line out or headphone out and listen to the result on the move on headphones for the same distortion effect as listening to the vinyl in real time… but half of the experience of listening to vinyl on a hifi, headphones or otherwise, is the way it forces certain things on your listening activity: namely, a bit more attention, having to sit in one room, or listen for the switch-over point to pick up the record and flip it. Especially if you're working through a stack of 7"s.

[pigpen]

Yeah, I'm not completely sure what it was, and I'm not claiming superiority of one format over the other, I just know that listening to the record yielded far more positive results for me than any other time I've spent listening to the album in either cd or digital form..

[hobochic]

Sometimes when I look way up high in the sky, I look out for falling blocks of junk.

HTDA is still "relevant" for some "people".

[sick among the pure]

Sometimes when I look way up high in the sky, I look out for falling blocks of junk.

HTDA is still "relevant" for some "people".

I look for The Presence. Or for the clouds to part and the sky to crack open, so god himself can stick his fucking arm through.

But mostly just for cloud formations.

[ghostaustin]

After reading The Lathe of Heaven, and knowing that TR used some quotes from it in anticipation of Bleedthrough/WT, the book gives some songs on the album a much different context. I don't know about you guys, but having a new angle with which to look at NIN is always a fun thing for me.

[hobochic]

After reading The Lathe of Heaven, and knowing that TR used some quotes from it in anticipation of Bleedthrough/WT, the book gives some songs on the album a much different context. I don't know about you guys, but having a new angle with which to look at NIN is always a fun thing for me.


I remember reading it before the album came out when the nin camp was posting obscure text images on nin.com. Good read, as is the movie from the 70's.

Too bad Bleedthrough fell apart, although its remains still "bleed through" With Teeth from a meta and kinda cool perspective.

[tracksfade]

so i couldn't find a proper thread on this, so this seemed like the next best place.

i'm way late on this, but i finally picked up a bluray copy of 'another version of the truth' and all i can say is my jaw was dropped at least four songs in. i was absolutely floored. it was such a visceral viewing it took me right back to 2008 in the crowd. never thought i'd think how much i miss nin live!! but what i really came on here to say is, major props to everyone involved in the project. the whole thing is simply outstanding.

[katara]

so i couldn't find a proper thread on this, so this seemed like the next best place.

i'm way late on this, but i finally picked up a bluray copy of 'another version of the truth' and all i can say is my jaw was dropped at least four songs in. i was absolutely floored. it was such a visceral viewing it took me right back to 2008 in the crowd. never thought i'd think how much i miss nin live!! but what i really came on here to say is, major props to everyone involved in the project. the whole thing is simply outstanding.
I've had this sitting on a shelf for years and have yet to crack the seal. Maybe I should give it a spin.

[wolfpuppet]

The Fragile is already 13 years old, but it'll always be the "new album" to me.

[Tony]

After years of avoiding it, I finally listened to Crystal Japan. How is A Warm Place not considered just a straight-up cover?

[jmtd]

I've often wandered that. And I wonder what Bowles feelings, if any, were.

[sheepdean]

It is, by Trent -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0RQCT69y5s&feature=player_embedded

[Tony]

It is, by Trent -
I saw that JUST after I posted here. Transcribed it in the Wiki (http://www.ninwiki.com/A_Warm_Place#David_Bowie_Interview).

[Vertigo]

After years of avoiding it, I finally listened to Crystal Japan. How is A Warm Place not considered just a straight-up cover?

That's pretty harsh. The nabbing is in a melody that runs through less than a third of the song - and even then, played at a different tempo, with different instrumentation, note timing and delivery, and punctuated by other elements.

[fortheloveofgod]

Just realized Josh Homme and Trent have the same birthday.

[hobochic]

Just realized Josh Homme and Trent have the same birthday.

Were you standing in the middle of a nightclub when you thought of this?

[fortheloveofgod]

Were you standing in the middle of a nightclub when you thought of this?

Naw. Josh's. wiki page.

[gorast]

Just finished watching Sound City. Mantra sounds incredible. The entire documentary was pretty damn good.

[simonn]

Just finished watching Sound City. Mantra sounds incredible. The entire documentary was pretty damn good.

Can you compare Mantra to anything else? Glad you enjoyed it.

[simonn]

I'd forgotten just how great Ghosts I-IV is on 5.1! My neighbours must love me right now!

[scorpiusdiamond]

Just realized Josh Homme and Trent have the same birthday.

When I saw QOTSA in the Roundhouse I thought Josh might say something out of the blue about Trent's birthday, and then he showed up and went "IT'S MY BIRTHDAY!" it was awesome.


Can you compare Mantra to anything else? Glad you enjoyed it.

Sounded a bit like a piece of music I just had to mix in an assignment. Trent on keys, Josh on Bass and Dave on Drums. Trent added some guitars in afterwards. No vocals... although that's just what they showed on the film. Quite quiet keys, cool little bassline and it all builds to something then disappears. Interesting kinda jam thing, but not a fully fleshed out song really. (AGAIN, that's just what I inferred from the film) - Think it may be one of the few ones that Butch Vig didn't produce.

[gorast]

I have a feeling it'll be a lot more complete on the album. Most of the other songs in the film didn't sound complete, either, since we didn't see the entire process for each one. It was really interesting to see the three of them working on an equal level, even though Josh and Dave both seemed sort of shell-shocked to be on the same level as Trent for the song. I can't wait to hear the full thing.

[Q-NeilL]

I uploaded fragment of Mantra-song from "Sound City" on youtube.

http://youtu.be/dEiPy-SBW0w

[dlb]

Thanks for posting this! Does anyone know how long the track is going to be? I can't find a tracklist with the song-lenghts on it. That record can't come soon enough!

[gorast]

I don't think the track lengths have been published yet. The album's not out for over a month, after all, so we just have to wait a couple more weeks.

[eversonpoe]

I'd forgotten just how great Ghosts I-IV is on 5.1! My neighbours must love me right now!

i'm assuming you're listening to a fan-made 5.1 mix, yeah? since the blu-ray in the box set was just in high-res stereo.

[simonn]

i'm assuming you're listening to a fan-made 5.1 mix, yeah? since the blu-ray in the box set was just in high-res stereo.

Yes, absolute genius work!

[scorpiusdiamond]

I've only just found out about Saul Williams sampling Eraser on his first album on 'Robeson'. Such a weird sample.

[BrokenSpiral]

I uploaded fragment of Mantra-song from "Sound City" on youtube.

http://youtu.be/dEiPy-SBW0w

Thanks. So awesome to watch again. They seem to gel together well.

My favorite part has got to be when Dave stops everything to tell them to fuck off with the smoke machine! Lol

[kenthebear]

friend of mine is a rasslin' fan and sent me a link to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L43BF5smnlk

idk if we've had this pointed out before but the 'inspiration' sounds pretty blatant to me. the belew knockoff solo is laughably bad, though.

[Ryan]

Man I can't believe the Saul Williams album Trent worked on came out like 5-6 years ago now. Where the fuck did all that time go?

[slave2thewage]

With Teeth has aged a LOT better than I thought it would.

[fillow]

On this date 6 years ago WITT was played live for the first time.
On this date 18 years ago (holy shit!) Hurt video (or part of it) was filmed.

[Big Fat Matt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_DQ2drIFY

WOW. Also, these guys put on the best show ever. violent as FUCK.

[sick among the pure]

Happy My Violent Heart day everyone!

[Ryan]

On this date 6 years ago WITT was played live for the first time.
On this date 18 years ago (holy shit!) Hurt video (or part of it) was filmed.

I thought, having just read that, that he played it for the first time for Valentine's Day. But it was a bit before unfortunately.

[simonn]

Wouldn't it be great if someone made up a DVD of The Fragile ultimate live performances, not sure if every track has been played live though....if someone already has, please point in the right direction!

[dlb]

Well, apart from 4 tracks this can be easily done. I still don't know why where is everybody has never been played live. I actually like that track quite a bit and the remix even more. Has anyone in the NIN camp ever voiced an opinion about it?

[Ryan]

Well, apart from 4 tracks this can be easily done. I still don't know why where is everybody has never been played live. I actually like that track quite a bit and the remix even more. Has anyone in the NIN camp ever voiced an opinion about it?

Same here, that needs to be done live.

[fillow]

Charlie Clouser briefly discussed WIE? at some forum dedicated to synthesizers (linked here at ETS in another thread somewhere). It was in reply to the question about his live backing vocals, and he said that at rehearsals before the tour he nailed who-ho-how chant on the song's chorus so good that everyone were amazed. He didn't mention why did they cut it from the setlist, probably because no one asked.

[sheepdean]

They probably cut it because it "didn't fit" (that old hat), and since then Trent's forgotten it existed.

[screwdriver]

Charlie Clouser briefly discussed WIE? at some forum dedicated to synthesizers (linked here at ETS in another thread somewhere). It was in reply to the question about his live backing vocals, and he said that at rehearsals before the tour he nailed who-ho-how chant on the song's chorus so good that everyone were amazed. He didn't mention why did they cut it from the setlist, probably because no one asked.

from gearslutz:



On very few shows we did play a version of "Where Is Everybody?" and even though it was kind of a clunker live, there is one humorous tale from that one. As we were working it out in rehearsals at Compass Point in Nassau (rough, I know), we were stumbling our way through it early on, and for some reason I tried to sing the "whoa-ohh-ohh-ahhh-oohhh" line that comes right before "WHERE IS EV-ERY-BODY" in the chorus... and I NAILED IT.

Everybody literally dropped their instruments and stared at me, because my singing voice is so awful that the roadies would often substitute a CARROT, spray-painted black and with an SM58 grill on it, for my microphone (actual fact, I'm not kidding about this at all). Never mind the fact that that vocal line is WAY above the pitch range I had ever sung, but for some unknown reason I could actually sing that line. The other guys had been trying it and sounded weak, or cracked on the high note, or whatever, and Trent looked at me with a big grin and said, "that's your line!" - much to my horror.

So the roadies had to use an actual mic in my rig instead of the usual carrot, and for the ten or so times we played that song I actually sang that line and didn't blow it once! I was more amazed than anyone!

But I did start to get a little hungry on those shows as I couldn't pull the 58 grill off and nibble on the non-spray-painted end of my carrot-mic for a little mid-set pick-me-up.

Heh. True story.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/605445-nine-inch-nails-synths-7.html

[dlb]

Thanks for the info! Good ol' Charlie sure has a lot of interesting things to say and is a good source for information.

Would be cool to see Trent and him working together on something.

[screwdriver]

Wouldn't it be great if someone made up a DVD of The Fragile ultimate live performances, not sure if every track has been played live though....if someone already has, please point in the right direction!

I dream about this a lot; or even just the audio of performances. I lack the will to put it together but if someone does it they would have my eternal love

[fillow]

How come there wasn't any ETS 10th Anniversary celebration last November?


...or am I living under the rock?

[DigitalChaos]

Anyone have a link to the ytmnd.com (or similar) page with a sound clip from Sunspots and a picture of Trent operating an electric kitchen mixer?
god i love that one...

[TheBang]

http://reznormix.ytmnd.com/

[Ryan]

from gearslutz:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/605445-nine-inch-nails-synths-7.html


So they did play Where Is Everybody? live... surprised not even an audio snippet of it exists out there!

[slave2thewage]

AFAIK, it wasn't played live. They did play "Please" during the earlier shows, but dropped it until 2006. Maybe Charlie got confused or something.

[Ryan]

AFAIK, it wasn't played live. They did play "Please" during the earlier shows, but dropped it until 2006. Maybe Charlie got confused or something.

"...So the roadies had to use an actual mic in my rig instead of the usual carrot, and for the ten or so times we played that song I actually sang that line and didn't blow it once! I was more amazed than anyone!"

Charlie, y u no make sense.

[seasonsinthesky]

yeah, WIE was never played live, ever. it does have the "whoa"ing he mentioned though, and it goes pretty high... maybe they rehearsed it during a lot of soundchecks and that's what he remembers?

[TheBang]

yeah, WIE was never played live, ever. it does have the "whoa"ing he mentioned though, and it goes pretty high... maybe they rehearsed it during a lot of soundchecks and that's what he remembers?
There were also a lot of dress rehearsals for Fragility. Maybe from those?

[BenAkenobi]

why is it further instead of deeper down the spiral?

[Ryan]

why is it further instead of deeper down the spiral?

Wal-Mart would ban it.

[Ryan]

NIN fans have such a unique dignity and intelligence to them that I haven't seen among any other communities.

[marodi]

"...So the roadies had to use an actual mic in my rig instead of the usual carrot, and for the ten or so times we played that song I actually sang that line and didn't blow it once! I was more amazed than anyone!"

Charlie, y u no make sense.


... because all his scars are on the inside?

God I hope someone will get this.

As much as I love Alessandro (and I do love il Italiano) I would give my left arm if it meant that I could see Charlie with NIN live just once. I don't care what others think; he was badass on that theremin.

[Damion]

On very few shows we did play a version of "Where Is Everybody?" -- Charlie Clouser.

If you wade through his replies on gearslutz, the amount of information he retains from those days are pretty staggering.

I will side with the song was played live but maybe no one captured it.

[scorpiusdiamond]

...he was badass on that theremin.

If you read through his posts you'll find that actually AutoTune was badass on the Theremin... clever idea all the same.
edit: Not that I don't love his live performance though. He's definitely in my all-star NIN lineup.

[jessamineny]

Not for nothing, but both ninwiki and nintourhistory say "Where Is Everybody?" has never been performed live.

[screwdriver]

Not for nothing, but both ninwiki and nintourhistory say "Where Is Everybody?" has never been performed live.

he certainly could be mistaken, but I feel like former member of NIN describing specific story involving its performance should be be a primary source for something...

[jessamineny]

I'd bet, as someone else suggested, that it was soundchecked but never performed in concert. It's not like we're dealing with PHM-era setlists, which were more difficult to document.

[slave2thewage]

Haven't ALL the Fragility shows been documented in terms of setlist? I mean, I remember geeking out about them playing SICNH in Milan when I read about it.

[kenthebear]

If you read through his posts you'll find that actually AutoTune was badass on the Theremin... clever idea all the same.
edit: Not that I don't love his live performance though. He's definitely in my all-star NIN lineup.



Your wiki profile says you play the theremin. I hear its really hard to play it well – cause of pitch sensitivity and all that?
Well, let this serve as a lesson on believing what you read on Wikipedia!
The theremin is very hard to play well, and I certainly can’t play the thing in any meaningful sense; but I did use it for solos on a couple of songs with nine inch nails. In that context I ran the raw output of the theremin through an Antares ATR-1 rackmount AutoTune unit before feeding distortion and echo. By setting the ATR-1 to have a slow pitch-correct time, and to only allow three or four notes out of the octave, I was able to do solos that had wild theremin swoops but would land on pitches that were in key with the song.
In the context of NIN the theremin was more a visual thing than a musical one, and I certainly wouldn’t try to play one without AutoTune as the results would be an unpitched mess.

Yeah he said himself he couldn't play for shit, he's just a really good producer and hides his weaknesses. Same interview said he never really played keyboards before his work with NIN at all, and his first live show playing them was his first NIN show.

[dlb]

Gotta love Charlie! And I too would love to see him perform with NIN again. Him "playing" the Theremin sure is one of the highlights on and all that could have been.

Random NIN thought: listening to the 2007 Japan bootleg and even deeper comes on: "I hear them calling down the way WAHWAH WAWAH WAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Awesome! :D I also remember a meme or some sort of this making its rounds on here.

[botley]

Random NIN thought: listening to the 2007 Japan bootleg and even deeper comes on: "I hear them calling down the way WAHWAH WAWAH WAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Awesome! :D I also remember a meme or some sort of this making its rounds on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-1dWOTfdao

[somewhat_]

So I was just thinking there is a real possibility a new NIN album will be released to coincide with Beats streaming service. I know he said 2014 in that New Yorker profile but I don't really believe him. I'm sure he's been working on NIN material since at least last February when they finished mixing the HTDA album (yes, the HTDA album has pretty much been done for a year now). Thoughts?

[TheBang]

I will side with the song was played live but maybe no one captured it.

That's not really possible. Almost every show from that tour was recorded either audio or video, and the setlist was almost completely static. The chance that they deviated from the fixed setlist and played it on one of the nights not recorded are extremely low. The most likely explanation is either soundchecking or rehearsals.

[AgentofChaos]

So I was just thinking the other day how upset I am with myself that I slacked on buying Still from the NIN store so many times when I had the chance, everything all qued up, and I didn't for whatever reason. I love the album so much and was crushed I didnt have a physical copy. So I randomly checked the other day and it was back in stock! My lucky day I suppose as it had been out of stock for a good while. Figured I would post this anyone who might have been in the same boat as me. I'm sure there aren't too many left.

[sleepless]

So I was just thinking the other day how upset I am with myself that I slacked on buying Still from the NIN store so many times when I had the chance, everything all qued up, and I didn't for whatever reason. I love the album so much and was crushed I didnt have a physical copy. So I randomly checked the other day and it was back in stock! My lucky day I suppose as it had been out of stock for a good while. Figured I would post this anyone who might have been in the same boat as me. I'm sure there aren't too many left.

also, heavenly_bearded has dozens (maybe hundreds) of brand new sealed copies of still for sale at a very reasonable price

[wizfan]

Rapper Macklemore describes a story where he apparently visits Interscope Records and meets Jimmy Iovine, who is interested in his music and tries to convince him to join the label. Macklemore gives him a great answer at the end.

I'm sure Trent would wish he would have done the same back then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwW6ERgpvo

[heavenly_bearded]

also, heavenly_bearded has dozens (maybe hundreds) of brand new sealed copies of still for sale at a very reasonable price
546 to be exact. You may be happy that you found it back on the merch site, but wouldn't you have been happier if you had found mine and bought for $5 instead? Same goes for anyone here.

[ManBurning]

Rapper Macklemore describes a story where he apparently visits Interscope Records and meets Jimmy Iovine, who is interested in his music and tries to convince him to join the label. Macklemore gives him a great answer at the end.

I'm sure Trent would wish he would have done the same back then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwW6ERgpvo

I usually can't stand rap, but this is really good stuff!
I'm streaming his whole album "The Heist" right now on youtube...

[AgentofChaos]

so bearded dude just out of curiosity why do you have 500 copies? Are you aware that they have been selling on amazon recently for upwards of 60-80 bucks? You should list on there as a retailer if you want to move them.

[ItsJustDave]

so bearded dude just out of curiosity why do you have 500 copies? Are you aware that they have been selling on amazon recently for upwards of 60-80 bucks? You should list on there as a retailer if you want to move them.

If I just told you, you wouldn't believe it, so I'll link you to the thread (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1249) instead.

[AgentofChaos]

Damn that's pretty crazy. Not sure how I missed that.

[sheepdean]

You should sell them at $2000 each, so you'd have
http://blog.mainstreethost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dr.-Evil-One-Million-Dollars.png

[Indefinite_Cure]

I will now express myself about the news in my mother tougue: Ah ben Tabarnak!

[thefragile_jake]

http://cdn3.pitchfork.com/news/49681/73aad32e.jpeg

I can't remember ever seeing this picture somewhere, is it a new photo?

[eversonpoe]

pretty sure that IS a new picture (although it's misleading, since Trent mentioned "beard-scratching" and seems to be beardless, at the moment)

[sick among the pure]

pretty sure that IS a new picture (although it's misleading, since Trent mentioned "beard-scratching" and seems to be beardless, at the moment)

We all know Trent grows a beard when he is in the studio and shaves for touring. He recently shaved, to get ready for HTDA's tour, obviously. :p

[onthewall2983]

I'm more interested in what new material could come of this new line-up of guys he's going to tour with. I don't want to say that Trent is going prog (even with Belew on board), but his compositions are becoming more glacial and longer. I'm judging this from Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and a song like "Ice Age". Just a thought.

[blackholesun]

We all know Trent grows a beard when he is in the studio and shaves for touring. He recently shaved, to get ready for HTDA's tour, obviously. :p

There's always the metaphorical beard. It's in all of us :p

[hobochic]

So I'm on a Beatles phase, again, and stumbled onto a NIN/Beatles mashup between Come Together and... get ready: Closer. Here's an open note to future mashers/remixers out there:

Stop using Closer in your mashups. The song has lived its life. It's dead to me as it is to you and everyone else equipped with or without wit. Get creative cause I think there's plenty of better material out there to mash up. As mush as I love Come Together I don't wish to hear it again together with Closer. How about trying something like "I Want You (she's so heavy)" or Medley from Abbey Road together with I'm looking forward to joining you finally or whatever you find inspiring.

Cheers!

[ghostaustin]

I thought Come Closer was pretty clever. But maybe it's just the child in me giggling at "I wanna fuck you right now." The lyrics don't mesh well, but at least this particular DJ knew how to alter pitch correctly (assuming we're talking about the same version)

[Tony]

spit on me again and i'm gonna rip your fucking cunt off.

[gorast]

I was watching The Downward Spiral: Live again tonight and damn if that's not the best version of Hurt I've ever heard.

[thefragile_jake]

I was watching The Downward Spiral: Live again tonight and damn if that's not the best version of Hurt I've ever heard.

I think I've enjoyed almost every version of Hurt live, but the one that always gives me goosebumps was the With Teeth tour version. It's just Trent and a keyboard for the majority of the song then as the song goes into it's final build, the lights pick up and the full band joins in. It was the first time I saw a show and was just overwhelmed with emotion.

It's as easily emotional rewatching it on Beside You In Time.

[Ripe(withdecay)]

I've been thinking about the final dates of the Wave Goodbye tour and how they had all the special guests come out and perform. I think that if they didn't do that, they would have been able to play a lot more rarites in the set.