Random NIN Thoughts

[implanted_microchip]

Favorite NIN video? that's easy....Broken film. I feel like they're speaking to me.

You frighten me and I don't understand you

[Hazekiah]

There could've been weird concept videos with tons of glitch art...

"Special thanks to the Solutions Backward Initiative for e-mailing me the footage," lol. (https://youtu.be/Hmz4IJfpJXI)

[kel]

I've said it before but Year Zero is the largest missed opportunity for videos Trent's ever had.
the uncut "survivalism" video is brilliant. my favorite music video ever, actually.

but i get what you're saying.

[implanted_microchip]

the uncut "survivalism" video is brilliant. my favorite music video ever, actually.

but i get what you're saying.

I like Survivalism a lot, but the fact that that's the only video for such a lore-deep and conceptual album with imagery and plots that are so perfect for a visual storytelling medium that they flat-out pursued an HBO miniseries is a crime to me.

I don't know, Trent seems largely indifferent if not outright allergic to doing videos most of the time and judging by a lot of his comments just has no real interest in them anymore. It's a disappointment because while there are a lot of NIN videos that I find totally disposable, when they're good they're great and really among the best ever. Trent's music really lends itself to cinematic work and interpretations (which is why it seems like such a no-brainer that his film scoring is so good).

[bobbie solo]

You frighten me and I don't understand you

haha. The film 8MM is just a day in the life for me.

[HurtinMinorKey]

First week in May is about as late as they come in spring for NIN releases in the past, so i'm guessing(hoping) we hear something next week.

[implanted_microchip]

First week in May is about as late as they come in spring for NIN releases in the past, so i'm guessing(hoping) we hear something next week.

That would be fantastic but I've counted on a Fall release mirroring the HM roll-out that way I'm not disappointed all summer. But who knows with this guy. I wouldn't be shocked at all if at some point he posts a song on some obscure torrent site under some random name nobody knows with zero description or detail just to fuck with everybody when some guy searching for obscure cartoon pornography stumbles upon a new NIN song that's actually been available for like three months

[sick among the pure]

That would be fantastic but I've counted on a Fall release mirroring the HM roll-out that way I'm not disappointed all summer. But who knows with this guy. I wouldn't be shocked at all if at some point he posts a song on some obscure torrent site under some random name nobody knows with zero description or detail just to fuck with everybody when some guy searching for obscure cartoon pornography stumbles upon a new NIN song that's actually been available for like three months

Trent's new marketing campaign: I've hidden a full album worth of songs imbedded in porn torrents, the first letter of each file makes the url to a website where you can order tickets to a one-off live show.

[implanted_microchip]

Trent's new marketing campaign: I've hidden a full album worth of songs imbedded in porn torrents, the first letter of each file makes the url to a website where you can order tickets to a one-off live show.

I'd finally have a constructive reason to download porn

[blake]

It's common for us to abbreviate NIN CDs, DVDs and maybe some of the longer song titles with stuff like PHM, TDS, AATCHB, etc. but when making a post the other day I realized if you do that with "While I'm Still Here" it makes it appear you're referring to a totally different song.

[GibbonBlack]

I hate the way Nine Inch Nail's fans abbreviate absolutely every song. Particularly when writing a long post and writing Came Back Haunted wouldn't realistically add much more typing time to your day

[sheepdean]

I hate the way Nine Inch Nail's fans abbreviate absolutely every song. Particularly when writing a long post and writing Came Back Haunted wouldn't realistically add much more typing time to your day
ikr .

[GibbonBlack]

ikr .

What has "I Would For You" "Keep It Together" and "Reptile" got to do with it?

[sheepdean]

As someone who used to live on irc channels, shorthand is second nature to me so I love the acronyms, but I do realise very often that it's kinda restrictive to fans, especially those who aren't first language english or are newer fans (or just don't like acronyms). On ets, I'll do it constantly but I TRY not to do it too much elsewhere.

[Wolfkiller]

piggy is a love song?

[Wolfkiller]

the becoming ends on a positive note. Is the rest of the album the alternate sad ending?

[theimage13]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think I'd be more eager to hear a new HTDA album than a new NIN album this year (if we were to get either in the first place). Maybe it's just because I feel like there aren't enough solid female-fronted albums in my library, or maybe it's because that would also mean that I might just get a shot at finally seeing them live. Or maybe it's just because there's so goddamn much NIN in my library already that I'd rather just have more of something different. Either way...am I alone on this one?

[sheepdean]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think I'd be more eager to hear a new HTDA album than a new NIN album this year (if we were to get either in the first place). Maybe it's just because I feel like there aren't enough solid female-fronted albums in my library, or maybe it's because that would also mean that I might just get a shot at finally seeing them live. Or maybe it's just because there's so goddamn much NIN in my library already that I'd rather just have more of something different. Either way...am I alone on this one?
I 100% agree. Also, if you need more female vox....
12 Rounds
Rae Morris
Zombina and the Skeletones
Mikabomb
Paul Heaton + Jacqui Abbott
Rosie Vanier/Rosie and the Goldbugs/Rosie Crow
Lois and the Love (no album yet)
and yaknow, Peggy Lee and Billie Holiday and Siouxsie Sue and Joan Jett and the Carpenters and Carole King and...

[Khrz]

the becoming ends on a positive note.
Wait, really?

[BRoswell]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think I'd be more eager to hear a new HTDA album than a new NIN album this year (if we were to get either in the first place). Maybe it's just because I feel like there aren't enough solid female-fronted albums in my library, or maybe it's because that would also mean that I might just get a shot at finally seeing them live. Or maybe it's just because there's so goddamn much NIN in my library already that I'd rather just have more of something different. Either way...am I alone on this one?

I'm up for anything Trent and Co. want to put out at this point, but I'm more interested in HTDA or a new film score.

[implanted_microchip]

Wait, really?
Nothing says positive like the personification of self-destructive feelings and severe mental illness driving you insane as you desperately try to kill away the sound of your own very thoughts!

[Wolfkiller]

Wait, really?

Yeah man it goes back to hopeful "hold me a little tighter" and ends with that instead of the damning the noise inside his head etc

[ghostaustin]

I hate the way Nine Inch Nail's fans abbreviate absolutely every song. Particularly when writing a long post and writing Came Back Haunted wouldn't realistically add much more typing time to your day
when I'm writing my grocery list I always write corned beef hash as CBH, so imagine my confusion/hunger

[Mutilated]

Nah, you're confusing NIN and Skinny Puppy. It's okay, a lot of people do.

lol nope, but the last SP record was better than the last NIN record, so there's that in common with the new Youth Code.

[Ribbitman]

I have always thought "A Violet Fluid" was "Just Do It" without the vocals. Anyone else thought this?

[BenAkenobi]

Either that, or "Just Do It" must be a hidden vocal line in "A Warm Place" :D

[Hazekiah]

I have always thought "A Violet Fluid" was "Just Do It" without the vocals. Anyone else thought this?

I have, too!

It corresponds PERFECTLY with the motif of "the deepest shade of mushroom blue, all fuzzy, spilling out of my head" from "The Downward Spiral" in terms of both color AND fluidity and it just basically makes a LOT of sense.

If it's not the song itself minus the vocals than it's at least its stand-in analogue.

\m/


It's common for us to abbreviate NIN CDs, DVDs and maybe some of the longer song titles with stuff like PHM, TDS, AATCHB, etc. but when making a post the other day I realized if you do that with "While I'm Still Here" it makes it appear you're referring to a totally different song.


As someone who used to live on irc channels, shorthand is second nature to me so I love the acronyms, but I do realise very often that it's kinda restrictive to fans, especially those who aren't first language english or are newer fans (or just don't like acronyms). On ets, I'll do it constantly but I TRY not to do it too much elsewhere.

As an occasional proofreader of military technical manuals, I've grown to both love and hate acronyms, lol. Seriously, in some cases we're talking about 50 page documents with an EXTRA 50 pages worth of alphabetized, indexed acronyms in the back, all of which need to be used properly in the context of their respective sentence structures. OMFG WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS. Especially when you don't even know 99% of them by heart!

So I mostly try to only use commonplace acronyms online, ideally striking that delicate balance between brevity and clarity.

But, occasionally, it's cumbersome to, say, repeatedly type out AND underline full movie titles. So I'll just make 'em acronyms, make sure context clues are in place, and leave it at that.

As as a stylistic choice, I include articles and punctuation and shit which normally shouldn't be included in an acronym. I figure it's just another context clue to help me meet my audience halfway so I let it slide on those grounds. Leaving them lowercase too is another context clue along the same lines, as in the case of "ILFtJY,F" in place of "I'm Looking Forward to Joining You, Finally," for instance.

I just find that it helps the brain process the mishmash of random letters if there are ALSO some capital/lowercase letters and punctuation (where appropriate) thrown in along the way with them.

Thusly, "Wish" may still be confused with "WISH," but hopefully the caps would help solve the problem (and I'd probably just avoid using the acronym in close proximity to the other song title to avoid confusion in the first place), so there's that, fwiw.

Haha, I get a LOT of shit from ets-assholes for my post-formatting (and idgaf) but I guarantee that at least I've given it WAY more thought than most of you EVER will, lol.

And, yes, it still slightly annoys me when they capitalize the T in HtDA.

;)

[joplinpicasso]

My quick hunch as to why ....NIN.... fans have a proclivity for abbreviations..? I'm not sure.

[Krazy]

My quick hunch as to why ....NIN.... fans have a proclivity for abbreviations..? I'm not sure.


It was embedded into our brains many moons ago...

http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.uk/images/article/0893_135938_NineInchNails.jpg

Not gonna lie though, I find some of the acronyms on here annoying- mainly the ones I can't figure out.

[reznovka]

it's ok for me when there is a long title you're talking about like "the day the world went away" - TDTWWA. It's obvious and clear, but it's annoying when people use things like "LH" or "LM" (leaving hope & la mer). Still waiting for the day to read "h" for hurt. :P

[Khrz]

Not gonna lie though, I find some of the acronyms on here annoying- mainly the ones I can't figure out.

It will take me a lot more time to figure out what TDTWWA stands for than to actually read the title, no matter how familiar I am with the acronym...

[GibbonBlack]

Still waiting for the day to read "h" for hurt. :P

There was the time when people started referring to them always closing concerts with Head Like A Hole, Hand That Feeds and Hurt as 'the triple H'

[implanted_microchip]

There was the time when people started referring to them always closing concerts with Head Like A Hole, Hand That Feeds and Hurt as 'the triple H'

I can only imagine how briefly confused yet excited wrestling fans must have been before figuring it out

[joplinpicasso]

There was the time when people started referring to them always closing concerts with Head Like A Hole, Hand That Feeds and Hurt as 'the triple H'
Ah, I remember that like it was yesterday. My favorite abbreviations come from WT; such classics as ATLITW, EDIETS, TLBTB, and RWIB.

[sick among the pure]

Ah, I remember that like it was yesterday. My favorite abbreviations come from WT; such classics as ATLITW, EDIETS, TLBTB, and RWIB.

Nothing better than EDIETS, especially when there were rumors about the scrapped music video being on ediets.com
http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/201102/20573_ediets_logo.jpg

[sheepdean]

I have always thought "A Violet Fluid" was "Just Do It" without the vocals. Anyone else thought this?
I assumed it became the title track, because the concept of both tracks are so similar

[Krazy]

Nothing better than EDIETS, especially when there were rumors about the scrapped music video being on ediets.com
http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/201102/20573_ediets_logo.jpg


Always reminded me of this, too...

http://3b3832722e63ef13df5f-655e11a96f14b2c941c4bc34ef58f583.r35.cf2.rackcdn.c om/product_images_new/Mens_Grey_Ren_And_Stimpy_Eediot_T_Shirt_from_Chunk _print_500-480-500.jpg

[implanted_microchip]

Has it been long enough now that we can finally completely all agree that the Live 2013/14 blu ray set isn't happening or is that still a "here's 2,000 reasons why it's still coming and you're wrong" situation because I know this board was awfully divided on that one for a while

[sheepdean]

Has it been long enough now that we can finally completely all agree that the Live 2013/14 blu ray set isn't happening or is that still a "here's 2,000 reasons why it's still coming and you're wrong" situation because I know this board was awfully divided on that one for a while
It's coming as part of the Option 30 ultimate reissue

[implanted_microchip]

It's coming as part of the Option 30 ultimate reissue

As long as I can get my Der Kommissar cover in FLAC, we're good

[billpulsipher]

Has it been long enough now that we can finally completely all agree that the Live 2013/14 blu ray set isn't happening or is that still a "here's 2,000 reasons why it's still coming and you're wrong" situation because I know this board was awfully divided on that one for a while

hate to say i told you so but........................

[Hazekiah]

I have always thought "A Violet Fluid" was "Just Do It" without the vocals. Anyone else thought this?


I have, too!

It corresponds PERFECTLY with the motif of "the deepest shade of mushroom blue, all fuzzy, spilling out of my head" from "The Downward Spiral" in terms of both color AND fluidity and it just basically makes a LOT of sense.

If it's not the song itself minus the vocals than it's at least its stand-in analogue.

\m/


I assumed it became the title track, because the concept of both tracks are so similar

Which is also every bit as true for the relationship between "The Downward Spiral" and "A Violet Fluid."

TL;DR

AVF = JDI = TDS, lol

;)

[reznovka]

It's coming as part of the Option 30 ultimate reissue

I'd totally buy that! Will it include the Exotic Birds collection or will this be sold as a stand alone box? Maybe with the Fragile reissue? :D

[BRoswell]

Has it been long enough now that we can finally completely all agree that the Live 2013/14 blu ray set isn't happening or is that still a "here's 2,000 reasons why it's still coming and you're wrong" situation because I know this board was awfully divided on that one for a while

I know to some people it seems like it's been a lifetime since it was announced, but I don't feel like it's been long enough to completely give up on it. Back when he did And All That Could Have Been and Beside You In Time, Trent wasn't dealing with family life, another band, film scoring duties, etc, so those releases came relatively quickly. I'm sure he took a lot of time off last year, so it doesn't surprise me that we haven't seen a release yet. I'm just thankful that he released the LA concert online. That was really cool, and something I still watch from time to time. Perhaps I'd be more anxious if we didn't have anything, but that has certainly tided me over until Trent decides to release the set.

I try not to think too much about when Trent is going to release something, because that only leads to disappointment if something doesn't materialize in the amount of time that I personally think it should. I also listen to a lot of other music, so it's not as though I'm experiencing a musical drought or something. I'll be here if and when he decides to release something, whenever that may be.

[WorzelG]

I learned from his Twitter / Instagram that Justin Meldal Johnson has quit touring with Beck and though he says it's because he's doing more production work I'm holding out futile hope he will be a NIN touring bassist. I thought he was great in the band

[implanted_microchip]

BRoswell while that's true I hate that the LA show released is edited down and missing a number of songs. I've seen plenty of and have numerous high quality recordings of all the MotP, Piggy, Wish-type songs pro-shot and in high quality. It was great when we thought we were getting the full show in just a few months. But we haven't. I know it can take time, but good god, they're entering into Rammstein's Amerika blu-ray territory.

[BRoswell]

I've seen plenty of and have numerous high quality recordings of all the MotP, Piggy, Wish-type songs pro-shot and in high quality.

As have I, but it still features deep cuts like Even Deeper and Sanctified. I'd love to see the full show of course, but I still find the edited version satisfying.

[sick among the pure]

I learned from his Twitter / Instagram that Justin Meldal Johnson has quit touring with Beck and though he says it's because he's doing more production work I'm holding out futile hope he will be a NIN touring bassist. I thought he was great in the band

That would be awesome, he was such a nice guy (tried to meet up with me after the LITS show in Toronto, but they were rushed out of there) and I liked his style.

[thevoid99]

That would be awesome, he was such a nice guy (tried to meet up with me after the LITS show in Toronto, but they were rushed out of there) and I liked his style.

I thought he was the best live bassist the band had (aside from Pino Palladino). He fucking killed it and had the energy to play those songs. Plus, his live presence was just incredible as I love that fro of his.

[implanted_microchip]

Every time I listen to that live cover of Bela Lugosi's Dead I'm shocked that I ever forgot how just incredible it is. Such an amazing version of it (and, really, all that Peter Murphy stuff rules; that version of Reptile they did is the weirdest coolest thing and it's reinterpretations like that and 2013 Sanctified that I've always wished we'd see more of).

[ChipRock]

Live 2013/14 blu ray set isn't happening

This continues to bug me, although it does seem likely that if it does come out it will be years in the future. The main thing for me is I really want high quality audio recordings from those recent tours. I know there are some good bootlegs alongside the live stream rips, but a properly mixed and mastered Vienna audio would really make me happy.
My guess is - they ran out of cash. I don't remember the details, but was Hesitation Marks only on a limited distribution deal with Columbia? Assuming Trent would only release the live show(s) with a super fancy deluxe package, perhaps he's put it back until he can arrange a new deal where the label also supports the live release? We know Trent has decided he doesn't like like things at the last minute and so scrapped them, but obviously the Tension footage was all okay otherwise it wouldn't have popped up on YouTube.
So if we can dream then... a new Nine Inch Nails record is at least partly finished (Eek!), and once the appropriate contracts are all signed off the label will chuck a few dollars into the release of the DVD (yeah I'm retro) and that'll serve to build up interest for the new album. Or maybe if the new album, once releases, will need to sell so much before they get a bonus payment which will fund it?
Or y'know, Trent just got pissed off with the kids one day and just deleted the whole bleedin' lot of it.

[Ryan]

Or y'know, Trent just got pissed off with the kids one day and just deleted the whole bleedin' lot of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59QO_sBrzw

[sheepdean]

Every time I listen to that live cover of Bela Lugosi's Dead I'm shocked that I ever forgot how just incredible it is. Such an amazing version of it (and, really, all that Peter Murphy stuff rules; that version of Reptile they did is the weirdest coolest thing and it's reinterpretations like that and 2013 Sanctified that I've always wished we'd see more of).
It's a shame that whatever he did with Trent for Ninth didn't happen (early interviews mentioned a collab). I love their sound together, and those radio sessions really are some of the best stuff TR's done.

[Ribbitman]

please bring back Danny for the next tour!

[r_k_f]

Every time I listen to that live cover of Bela Lugosi's Dead I'm shocked that I ever forgot how just incredible it is. Such an amazing version of it (and, really, all that Peter Murphy stuff rules; that version of Reptile they did is the weirdest coolest thing and it's reinterpretations like that and 2013 Sanctified that I've always wished we'd see more of).

Although I think Reptile is really well done, I absolutely love the reworked slowed down version of Head Like A Hole..

[ultimatebdp]

Ummm...why? He was probably one of the most spare dudes to ever be in NIN. His post-NIN resume confirms that...

[BenAkenobi]

THE SLIP turned 8
http://theslip.nin.com/physical/style/ninslip/images/album-thumbnail.jpg

[nooneimportant]

I haven't been listening to much NIN in the past few months but recently I went back and found a 1994 show I downloaded. I was fucking floored at that Pinion/Self Destruct opener. I can't imagine being in the crowd and just sitting in the dark for 3 minutes of Pinion until you get blasted up the ass with Mr. Self Destruct.

I easily forget how great NIN is sometimes. It's glorious.

[sick among the pure]

I haven't been listening to much NIN in the past few months but recently I went back and found a 1994 show I downloaded. I was fucking floored at that Pinion/Self Destruct opener. I can't imagine being in the crowd and just sitting in the dark for 3 minutes of Pinion until you get blasted up the ass with Mr. Self Destruct.

I easily forget how great NIN is sometimes. It's glorious.

It's so intense, I will fight anyone who disagrees that this is the best opening for a NIN show. Happened at my first show (Erie 06), and it's just an experience you never forget.

[ryanmcfly]

It's so intense, I will fight anyone who disagrees that this is the best opening for a NIN show. Happened at my first show (Erie 06), and it's just an experience you never forget.

I liked the opening for Mr. Self Destruct that they used in 2009. I saw them open with it at my first time seeing them in Austin.

[the duder]

It's so intense, I will fight anyone who disagrees that this is the best opening for a NIN show. Happened at my first show (Erie 06), and it's just an experience you never forget.
I was there, and I concur.

I put on Tension: 2013 tonight, and as I was making dinner while watching and listening I thought "man, I kind of think Trent is done. And I'm kind of OK with that."

Now dinner is finished, and as Hurt is ending, I can't comprehend how wrong I was. I'd love another tour, with a new spin on NIN. Lisa and Sharlotte were dope additions, and on revisiting, just what was needed to freshen up the act and bring new life to the new work, along with classics. I don't know.

[ninlive]

The New Flesh/Pinion -> Mr. Self Destruct.

I'd take any news at this point! My brother and I are dying over here! Like most, I have dug into the archives and just can't seem to get away from the club 2005 shows. All just raw power and intense.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Getting slightly irritated by those on Genius who are missing the obvious on a few NIN songs.
Closer (http://genius.com/1514233) and March Of The Pigs (http://genius.com/2146309) for example. Or am I missing subtext?

[nooneimportant]

The New Flesh/Pinion -> Mr. Self Destruct.

I'd take any news at this point! My brother and I are dying over here! Like most, I have dug into the archives and just can't seem to get away from the club 2005 shows. All just raw power and intense.

The New Flesh/Pinion as an intro has always been one of those forgotten but great starts. I saw a video of it on YouTube and it's really eerie. Just that loop of The New Flesh playing as people find their seats with the house lights on, only the die hards probably knew the track, then the lights go off? Must have been crazy. Trent is really good at building up to a performance.

[seasonsinthesky]

The New Flesh/Pinion as an intro has always been one of those forgotten but great starts. I saw a video of it on YouTube and it's really eerie. Just that loop of The New Flesh playing as people find their seats with the house lights on, only the die hards probably knew the track, then the lights go off? Must have been crazy. Trent is really good at building up to a performance.

Totally. I do sometimes wish they'd actually have used the proper song though, and go into TL right after.

[Ryan]

just sitting in the dark for 3 minutes of Pinion until you get blasted up the ass with Mr. Self Destruct.

lmao... That was great.

[fillow]

I always wanted them to use full version of The New Flesh. Start it pre-recorded, and then segue in live guitars, drums and vocals for the second part

[implanted_microchip]

That bizarre TDS/New Flesh combo they were doing in Europe in 2014 was pretty incredible to hear, I really would love to see something like TNF done in full live someday (but I get why it hasn't been, it would be weird to do live and I'm sure considering Trent's comments on not liking to revisit some headspaces that a song that dark is one he isn't eager to sing).

I still think not doing 10 Miles High before All Time Low on the Tension tour was an enormous missed opportunity. It's too perfect thematically and Lisa and Charlotte could've really helped make that song work in a way that I think it couldn't with just Trent. Plus Pino could've wrecked that thing.

[sick among the pure]

That bizarre TDS/New Flesh combo they were doing in Europe in 2014 was pretty incredible to hear, I really would love to see something like TNF done in full live someday (but I get why it hasn't been, it would be weird to do live and I'm sure considering Trent's comments on not liking to revisit some headspaces that a song that dark is one he isn't eager to sing).

I still think not doing 10 Miles High before All Time Low on the Tension tour was an enormous missed opportunity. It's too perfect thematically and Lisa and Charlotte could've really helped make that song work in a way that I think it couldn't with just Trent. Plus Pino could've wrecked that thing.

In that playlist of basically every NIN song that's been performed live that came out awhile back, there was a pretty much full version of The New Flesh in there (with Trent singing at least parts of the song). I have no idea what tour it was from to find it individually to link you to, all I can find on youtube is the short instrumental version that melds into Pinion that we have on AATCHB.

[WorzelG]

Why why why would Apple think about killing off iTunes sales?
http://www.techinsider.io/report-apple-to-kill-itunes-downloads-2016-5
Sometimes I wish TR would make his thoughts on some of this clear, it seems he's not allowed to say anything that's not party line now he works for them

[botley]

In that playlist of basically every NIN song that's been performed live that came out awhile back, there was a pretty much full version of The New Flesh in there (with Trent singing at least parts of the song). I have no idea what tour it was from to find it individually to link you to, all I can find on youtube is the short instrumental version that melds into Pinion that we have on AATCHB.
IIRC it was just that version but with Trent screaming "Give it toooomeeeeee I can... fucking... TAKE IT" from the Drunk In Japan leg of the Fragility 1.0 tour.

[seasonsinthesky]

IIRC it was just that version but with Trent screaming "Give it toooomeeeeee I can... fucking... TAKE IT" from the Drunk In Japan leg of the Fragility 1.0 tour.

Definitely. It's one of those blown-outta-proportion things the pseudo-nerds like to repeat, like "huhuhu that Pinion version with Tront singing FLUSH! FLUSH!" when it's very clearly some bizarre backmasked vocal layer getting fucked up live just like the other layers of the track.

[Ryan]

IIRC it was just that version but with Trent screaming "Give it toooomeeeeee I can... fucking... TAKE IT" from the Drunk In Japan leg of the Fragility 1.0 tour.

I bet he said the same thing in bed later that night with Leo.

[botley]

Definitely. It's one of those blown-outta-proportion things the pseudo-nerds like to repeat, like "huhuhu that Pinion version with Tront singing FLUSH! FLUSH!" when it's very clearly some bizarre backmasked vocal layer getting fucked up live just like the other layers of the track.
That's the Bowie sample! "SHUT UP" from the end of "It's No Game Part 1" in reverse.

[nooneimportant]

Definitely. It's one of those blown-outta-proportion things the pseudo-nerds like to repeat, like "huhuhu that Pinion version with Tront singing FLUSH! FLUSH!" when it's very clearly some bizarre backmasked vocal layer getting fucked up live just like the other layers of the track.


That's the Bowie sample! "SHUT UP" from the end of "It's No Game Part 1" in reverse.

When was this?

[Khrz]

It was at Woodstock '94 notably, iirc.

[botley]

It's there every time the old-school version of "Pinion" is used as a set intro (not the variations where it's mixed with something else). That sample is on the studio recording, too, but mixed down way lower in the background.

[Deepvoid]

Why why why would Apple think about killing off iTunes sales?
http://www.techinsider.io/report-apple-to-kill-itunes-downloads-2016-5
Sometimes I wish TR would make his thoughts on some of this clear, it seems he's not allowed to say anything that's not party line now he works for them

That would be a terrible decision. Why would they do that? They're putting all their eggs in the "streaming" basket and it'll blow up in their face.

[nooneimportant]

It's there every time the old-school version of "Pinion" is used as a set intro (not the variations where it's mixed with something else). That sample is on the studio recording, too, but mixed down way lower in the background.

Interesting. I never noticed it.

[SarahConnor]

The Apple Music redesign will feature new music, including something from the Reznor camp. This is a presumption

[Hazekiah]

The last time this came up, sometime in the past year or so, I think, someone here was kind enough to link me to the specific IRC chat post from Reznor himself explaining the Bowie/"Pinion" sample...but I don't recall him or anyone else mentioning that the core guitar riff of the song was sampled from "It's No Game Pt. 1" as well, which very much seems to be the case.

Did he actually mention that way back then, too?

Thanks, I just can't find it with my phone to check for myself and I'm wondering if I maybe just forgot that part or if the sampling of the guitar itself is even generally acknowledged.

[emptydesk]

Yes, on Prodigy: http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=327

The Hotline claims this is from 1991 but I believe it's actually late 1992.

[The Dead Rabbit]

Is www.nin.com down for everyone or just me?

[WorzelG]

That would be a terrible decision. Why would they do that? They're putting all their eggs in the "streaming" basket and it'll blow up in their face.
It just seems counter productive to get rid of any method of paying for music. But maybe the report is bollocks?

[WorzelG]

Is www.nin.com (http://www.nin.com) down for everyone or just me?
Seems to be for me, you can still access the old forums though but clicking on 'home' leads to a blank screen

[The Dead Rabbit]

Could it mean anything? AND, if it did, how quickly would someone relate the downtime to the radiohead pages going blank a few weeks back? The bands always seem to be compared with release/media approaches.

[Hazekiah]

Got it, thanks!



during 'pinion', the yelling and dissonant guitars in
the background are from the end of 'it's no game' on David
Bowie's 'scary monsters' record. (played backwards)

So, yeah...I just forgot, lol.

That said, the mention of the sampled, "dissonant guitars in the background" of "Pinion" stemming from the END of "It's No Game Pt. 1" seems to suggest an inaccuracy in the way he worded it.

Not to second guess the artist or underestimate his studio wizardry, but to MY ears at least it sounds A LOT like the main guitar loop of "Pinion" is sampled from the riffing beneath the Japanese vocals at the start of the second verse at about the 1:20-something mark, at least one example of which seems to already be largely, and conveniently, isolated from the other instruments in the original recording.

Just a thought!

Anyone else hearing that?

[BRoswell]

Is www.nin.com (http://www.nin.com) down for everyone or just me?

Down for me as well.

OMG!
NEW ALBUM?
THE END OF NINE INCH NAILS AS WE KNOW IT?
WHAT COULD IT MEEEEEAAAAANNNN?!?!
WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!?!
*endless screaming*

[wizfan]

So, I hadn't listened to this in a whi-- 1:44-1:50 SURPRISE HAPPINESS IN SLAVERY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDTGljmrvBQ

[bobbie solo]

as of 2:30 EST, it's still down...

[botley]

That said, the mention of the sampled, "dissonant guitars in the background" of "Pinion" stemming from the END of "It's No Game Pt. 1" seems to suggest an inaccuracy in the way he worded it.

Not to second guess the artist or underestimate his studio wizardry, but to MY ears at least it sounds A LOT like the main guitar loop of "Pinion" is sampled from the riffing beneath the Japanese vocals at the start of the second verse at about the 1:20-something mark, at least one example of which seems to already be largely, and conveniently, isolated from the other instruments in the original recording.

Just a thought!

Anyone else hearing that?

No, on the studio version of "Pinion" the main guitar riff is played by TR. It's double-tracked, heavily gated and fed through a sampler of some kind to produce the robotic loop. Just the very brief recurring backwards "PU TUHS" noise is from the last half-second of the Bowie track, where you can hear the tape winding down as Robert Fripp noodles on guitar in a dissonant manner.

[Xvostya]

Seems to be for me, you can still access the old forums though but clicking on 'home' leads to a blank screen

On a forum login/registration screen there's
"New user registrations are currently disabled while we work on upgrading nin.com. We apologize for the inconvenience."

Looks promising :)

[thevoid99]

kleiner352 recently said that the official NIN site is out and.... is it me or is Trent like "OK Radiohead, I see what you did there. It's on..."

[Kamelion]

Nin.com is still down!

Soon!!!!

:D

[Xvostya]

Meathead time! ;)

https://pp.vk.me/c633231/v633231109/24282/uTjopVTEBi0.jpg

[sheepdean]

htda's site is down too, either there's a huge release coming or someone forgot to update their domains

[Xvostya]

It's up again, but...

[tony.parente]

God dammit Trent tapewormed us :(

[FernandoDante]

Yup, nin.com is a fucking tumblr page with gifs now.

[Jon]

Yup, nin.com is a fucking tumblr page with gifs now.

I'm able to pull up the page more often than not at the moment, but there's still an intermittent HTTP 500 error.

[implanted_microchip]

Yup, nin.com is a fucking tumblr page with gifs now.

Bare minimum it's been like that since 2013 though, if not a little longer (I can't remember really other than it having that ugly fabric Slip background for a really long time).

[sweeterthan]

Man, I was really hoping we were getting some sort of news. It's May, ffs.


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[sheepdean]

Man, I was really hoping we were getting some sort of news. It's May, ffs.


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Look, Trent said we were getting new NIN in 2016, so give it at least 8 months

[sweeterthan]

Look, Trent said we were getting new NIN in 2016, so give it at least 8 months

Another three months?!?! Fucking cock tease.


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[implanted_microchip]

Man, I was really hoping we were getting some sort of news. It's May, ffs.


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December 31st:


I've been less than honest about what I've really been up to lately. A new maxi-single of That's What I Get remixes along with a brand-new video featuring analog art by Rob Sheridan will have been released on Apple Music exclusively upon the release of this statement on Nine Inch Nails' official tumblr page. nin.com will be retired starting now. Tomorrow as a New Year's gift, my other band, How to Destroy Angels, will be releasing a new album titled How Longer?, continuing the sound of what we consider our finest song, "How Long?" for thirteen tracks, available exclusively as a vinyl acetate that will be included randomly in one of our mystery bag sales. The Fragile deluxe reissue will be released coinciding with Tool's next album. Your move, Maynard. Release another Tapeworm track now, prick. - TR

[WorzelG]

I don't see why people are so upset that nin.com is a tumblr feed. As long as it links to places you can get the music and videos and news what else do you need?

[implanted_microchip]

I don't see why people are so upset that nin.com is a tumblr feed. As long as it links to places you can get the music and videos and news what else do you need?
It's an ugly and generic web design that looks clunky and the site used to do cool and creative things like the With Teeth smeared typewriter fonts. In general it used to show a visual aesthetic and creativity reflective of the band that made it worth actually visiting when now there is absolutely zero point in ever going to it since you'll get the same content through their facebook anyway with less garbage to load and crap to roll through.

It's more a reflection of an overall disappointment with modern web design than nin.com itself. Everything's slowly morphing into identical tumblr-feed-style sites giving people less and less reason to visit other things since content's all getting consolidated to the same destinations anyway. NIN has always been a creative and innovative band and once upon a time the website reflected that. Now it's something a 12 year old kid could make a prettier version of on their tumblr app on an android.

[WorzelG]

It's an ugly and generic web design that looks clunky and the site used to do cool and creative things like the With Teeth smeared typewriter fonts. In general it used to show a visual aesthetic and creativity reflective of the band that made it worth actually visiting when now there is absolutely zero point in ever going to it since you'll get the same content through their facebook anyway with less garbage to load and crap to roll through.

It's more a reflection of an overall disappointment with modern web design than nin.com itself. Everything's slowly morphing into identical tumblr-feed-style sites giving people less and less reason to visit other things since content's all getting consolidated to the same destinations anyway. NIN has always been a creative and innovative band and once upon a time the website reflected that. Now it's something a 12 year old kid could make a prettier version of on their tumblr app on an android.
I think it's the only way to move with the times though where everything has a social media aspect to it, comments etc. A band website cuts the band off from the wider audience and puts the band in a silo and I remember one of the reasons TR went back to a record label was the feeling of preaching to the choir

[Ryan]

I think it's the only way to move with the times though where everything has a social media aspect to it, comments etc. A band website cuts the band off from the wider audience and puts the band in a silo and I remember one of the reasons TR went back to a record label was the feeling of preaching to the choir

I'd prefer it like a silo. The band's FB page is there for all the (usually stupid) comments and social media crap.

[fillow]

Even a tumblr page would be totally fine if it actually had any news on it every once in a while.

[seasonsinthesky]

The last time this came up, sometime in the past year or so, I think, someone here was kind enough to link me to the specific IRC chat post from Reznor himself explaining the Bowie/"Pinion" sample...but I don't recall him or anyone else mentioning that the core guitar riff of the song was sampled from "It's No Game Pt. 1" as well, which very much seems to be the case.

Did he actually mention that way back then, too?

Thanks, I just can't find it with my phone to check for myself and I'm wondering if I maybe just forgot that part or if the sampling of the guitar itself is even generally acknowledged.

Not sure where you hear that. No guitar layer in ING sounds anything like the ascending Pinion riff. Like, not anywhere close. The riff gets choppy around 2:40 but the chords aren't the ones in Pinion, even manipulated or pitched. All the other guitar parts are higher register melodies.

TR's post on Prodigy says he backmasked the end of the song. Nothing about the guitar part.

[Harry Seaward]

I miss Rob Sheridan's internet presence. I can't help but imagine his remarks about this election cycle would have been hilarious.

I hope he's not gone because of breaking up with Tamar. /Gawker

[HurtinMinorKey]

I miss Rob Sheridan's internet presence. I can't help but imagine his remarks about this election cycle would have been hilarious.

I hope he's not gone because of breaking up with Tamar. /Gawker

The entire NIN camp has been completely radio silent for about a month. Something is definitely up. I'd say we hear something by the end of May for sure.

[FernandoDante]

I miss Rob Sheridan's internet presence. I can't help but imagine his remarks about this election cycle would have been hilarious.

I hope he's not gone because of breaking up with Tamar. /Gawker
He started disappearing quite while ago. He kept commenting on how he hated twitter / the internet.

[Harry Seaward]

He started disappearing quite while ago. He kept commenting on how he hated twitter / the internet.

Yeah, I know it's been a while. My Twitter feed just feels strange with him gone lol, he's one of the first people I followed when I made my account. But I do think he disappeared before he broke up with Tamar, so I doubt it's related to that.

[eversonpoe]

Yeah, I know it's been a while. My Twitter feed just feels strange with him gone lol, he's one of the first people I followed when I made my account. But I do think he disappeared before he broke up with Tamar, so I doubt it's related to that.

WHAT?!? i had no idea that happened :(

[somewhat_]

Just a feeling - I think the flood gates will burst open next week


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[reznovka]

WHAT?!? i had no idea that happened :(

me neither...

[wizfan]

While Piggy has tambourine in it, it was almost always sampled. I was soooo glad when Trent used an actual tambourine for the Ghosts Piggy variation. :)

[xfocalinx]

The entire NIN camp has been completely radio silent for about a month. Something is definitely up. I'd say we hear something by the end of May for sure.


seems like they've been silent for months now.

[Ryan]

Hurry up Trent.

[implanted_microchip]

I just hope whatever the next album is that it's genuinely surprising. There's a very specific type of sound that's been present on everything from maybe Year Zero on that he's been involved with that, while I love, I'd love to see a departure from. NIN's at it's best when it's unpredictable and surprising and pushing into new territory. I still love Hesitation Marks, but it didn't really push into new territory much at all -- it hit all the notes I'd expect out of a NIN album, without a ton of fresh air breathed though. I'm fine with what "typical modern NIN" is but would just love to see things really get shaken up again.

I remember saying before how much I wanted a whole album in that Tetsuo-style of strangeness with big brass instruments, loud industrial sections and that general almost "orchestral" way of putting things together, just tons of Tetsuo/Driver Down-ish material since we've yet to ever see those spaces explored heavily, but I highly doubt it's what we'll be getting. I'm pretty prepared to get more of the same but would just love to be really, really caught of guard and hear something that challenges what NIN's supposed to be (and, yes, clearly I am discussing a Christian country rock album with heavy features from Toby Keith and T-Pain).

It's extremely odd to say and I'm sure most people here wouldn't agree in the least or maybe get what I'm trying to get at, but for me sonically Kanye West's Yeezus felt more like an advancement of the "NIN sound" in 2013 than Hesitation Marks did, which sounds very ... familiar? Just, space that Trent has explored pretty well before and knows very intimately. I'd just love for the next NIN album to feel like a blast from the future rather than a reminder of how things are. Trent's at his most interesting when he's really seeing how far out he can take NIN into a certain area, and I don't think he's really done that heavy since Ghosts (and the one-off Tetsuo theme), and even then other than the fact that it's all instrumental I don't think Ghosts does a whole lot that's out of the typical wheelhouse for him.

There's flashes of something different and fresh in The Slip and HM -- Demon Seed got a little out there, While I'm Still Here/Black Noise is unbelievable, All Time Low gets a little weird in a Fragile (Right) kind of way, Everything was, whether you like it or not, a real attempt at something different and I like the way it feels, In Two seemed like a real advancement of "classic" NIN fused into a modern space, but a lot of the album -- stuff like Disappointed, Satellite, I Would For You, Various Methods of Escape -- no matter how great some of those are, they still are very "comfortable." VMoE is probably one of the hardest-hitting songs and really impacting, but at the same time follows the typical modern NIN thing to a tee, all the way down to "really loud now really quiet then soft whispered bridge then really loud again" which In Two also follows. People called Came Back Haunted a little too "standard NIN" but at least sound-wise there was something there that felt more risky and edged on really going "out there" to an extent.

I just really want an album from Trent again that I listen to and feel challenged by, whereas I don't think any album he's done, be it with NIN or HTDA, has really challenged me since Year Zero, which was a really successful attempt at pushing things in a unique direction. His scorework has been more surprising and that's just weird to me to think that a movie score would be more out there and surprising for me (things like The Way He Looks At Me or Clue Two on Gone Girl for instance) than Nine Inch Nails or an end-of-the-world technopocalyptic electronic album like Welcome Oblivion. At the moment I don't mind, but I really don't want "new NIN" to make me go "Oh, cool, more of that thing" rather than get really enthusiastically intrigued and excited to have my mind blown again.

[thevoid99]

Waiting for Ghosts V-VIII....

[seasonsinthesky]

I just hope whatever the next album is that it's genuinely surprising. There's a very specific type of sound that's been present on everything from maybe Year Zero on that he's been involved with that, while I love, I'd love to see a departure from. NIN's at it's best when it's unpredictable and surprising and pushing into new territory. I still love Hesitation Marks, but it didn't really push into new territory much at all -- it hit all the notes I'd expect out of a NIN album, without a ton of fresh air breathed though. I'm fine with what "typical modern NIN" is but would just love to see things really get shaken up again.

I remember saying before how much I wanted a whole album in that Tetsuo-style of strangeness with big brass instruments, loud industrial sections and that general almost "orchestral" way of putting things together, just tons of Tetsuo/Driver Down-ish material since we've yet to ever see those spaces explored heavily, but I highly doubt it's what we'll be getting. I'm pretty prepared to get more of the same but would just love to be really, really caught of guard and hear something that challenges what NIN's supposed to be (and, yes, clearly I am discussing a Christian country rock album with heavy features from Toby Keith and T-Pain).

It's extremely odd to say and I'm sure most people here wouldn't agree in the least or maybe get what I'm trying to get at, but for me sonically Kanye West's Yeezus felt more like an advancement of the "NIN sound" in 2013 than Hesitation Marks did, which sounds very ... familiar? Just, space that Trent has explored pretty well before and knows very intimately. I'd just love for the next NIN album to feel like a blast from the future rather than a reminder of how things are. Trent's at his most interesting when he's really seeing how far out he can take NIN into a certain area, and I don't think he's really done that heavy since Ghosts (and the one-off Tetsuo theme), and even then other than the fact that it's all instrumental I don't think Ghosts does a whole lot that's out of the typical wheelhouse for him.

There's flashes of something different and fresh in The Slip and HM -- Demon Seed got a little out there, While I'm Still Here/Black Noise is unbelievable, All Time Low gets a little weird in a Fragile (Right) kind of way, Everything was, whether you like it or not, a real attempt at something different and I like the way it feels, In Two seemed like a real advancement of "classic" NIN fused into a modern space, but a lot of the album -- stuff like Disappointed, Satellite, I Would For You, Various Methods of Escape -- no matter how great some of those are, they still are very "comfortable." VMoE is probably one of the hardest-hitting songs and really impacting, but at the same time follows the typical modern NIN thing to a tee, all the way down to "really loud now really quiet then soft whispered bridge then really loud again" which In Two also follows. People called Came Back Haunted a little too "standard NIN" but at least sound-wise there was something there that felt more risky and edged on really going "out there" to an extent.

I just really want an album from Trent again that I listen to and feel challenged by, whereas I don't think any album he's done, be it with NIN or HTDA, has really challenged me since Year Zero, which was a really successful attempt at pushing things in a unique direction. His scorework has been more surprising and that's just weird to me to think that a movie score would be more out there and surprising for me (things like The Way He Looks At Me or Clue Two on Gone Girl for instance) than Nine Inch Nails or an end-of-the-world technopocalyptic electronic album like Welcome Oblivion. At the moment I don't mind, but I really don't want "new NIN" to make me go "Oh, cool, more of that thing" rather than get really enthusiastically intrigued and excited to have my mind blown again.

This is a great post. It hits basically everything I'm thinking about NIN. I love the "typical" songs you listed (VMOE, et al) but it's because they ARE so comfortable. For these reasons, I will always look forward to where the next HTDA will go vs. NIN because it's way less predictable. WO succeeds in a lot of ways HM feels stale and overdone.

There are still decisions – mixing, sequencing, lyrically – that shock me on TDS and TF. Still. After this long! Fuck. The longevity is in truly going out where no one is comfortable. Yes, that may be difficult these days, but I have zero doubts TR could assemble a group who could; but will he? Or will it just be he and Atticus sitting around picking the same old loops out of the same improvs? The ground needs a serious shaking up.

[FULLMETAL]

Anyone think the birthday boy might pull a Bowie tomorrow?

[Ryan]

Anyone think the birthday boy might pull a Bowie tomorrow?

I like the way you think.

[WorzelG]

Imagine how annoyed I was to have my phone send a notification saying 'new NIN album' only for it to be amazon hawking a repackaged Woodstock thing called 'mudstock'. Grrrr
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01F6W63RK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1463475641&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=mudstock&dpPl=1&dpID=614REVqCUUL&ref=plSrch
Who the fuck are Zip City who own the copyright?

[Ryan]

Anyone think the birthday boy might pull a Bowie tomorrow?

Well, nothing yet.

[sweeterthan]

I like the way you think.

As long as he's healthy...[emoji22]


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[blassster]

GPM sometimes overuses the Explicit tag. Fucking.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/f284c90fc07b3a3986c41e8fd275a909.jpg

[Microwave Jellyfish]

The main riffs in Demon Seed are awesome, and even more awesome when you're hammered and playing them on acoustic.

[Bachy]

The 3:18 mark in "The Great Collapse":

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/undeadfanstories/images/c/ca/1239788892_jizz-in-my-pants.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140211105504

[Ryan]

GPM sometimes overuses the Explicit tag. Fucking.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/f284c90fc07b3a3986c41e8fd275a909.jpg

Pilgrimage eh?

[Ryan]

So anyway, I'm loving all this new NIN in 2016. What's your favourite track so far?

[fillow]

So anyway, I'm loving all this new NIN in 2016. What's your favourite track so far?
Everything (Instrumental)

[botley]

I'm actually quite enjoying seeing photos of Mills' individual art shards from Cargo in the Blood pop up over on this fan-run Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/2000NIN), they are slowly amassing an image of the original piece by piece.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

This guy shared a link on Facebook saying "TRENT REZNOR PROMISES NEW NIN IN 2016" and I got all fucking hyped, only to see it was from DECEMBER and was quoting Trent's tweet from that month about new material. That article is literally over 6 months old. Read before you post. You fuck.

In other news, only 6 months left in 2016! WOO! SOON.

[Volband]

We are a sad but loyal bunch.

[Halo Infinity]

I have been wondering how I would have felt if All The Love In The World also had the question "How do you get all the love in the world?" instead. I probably would have related to it just a little bit more. It inevitably and naturally also lead me to insert "Who? What? & When?" into the question as well.

[Ryan]

Perhaps Trent will make an announcement tomorrow - the date is 6/6/16...

[WorzelG]

Perhaps Trent will make an announcement tomorrow - the date is 6/6/16...

I think it will be sometime after the apple wwdc thing June 13-17th? I imagine that's been taking up time

[Volband]

I have been wondering how I would have felt if All The Love In The World also had the question "How do you get all the love in the world?" instead. I probably would have related to it just a little bit more. It inevitably and naturally also lead me to insert "Who? What? & When?" into the question as well.
I always considered the way the question is asked to be the strongest possible. Why implies you might even know the hows, yet it's still someone else who gets it, despite you two doing the same thing. How would make the question practical, implying there is an answer on how to be loved or being able to feel loved, while why is much more depressing. How would only mean you are a newbie, you don't have experience in this. Why says you tried, you really tried, but you just don't understand what's wrong.

The song is funky as fuck, but radiates a feeling of chronic help- and hopelessness.

[HurtinMinorKey]

I think it will be sometime after the apple wwdc thing June 13-17th? I imagine that's been taking up time

It's always possible they announce the album during the conference (an Apple Music exclusive, no doubt).

[HurtinMinorKey]

I always considered the way the question is asked to be the strongest possible. Why implies you might even know the hows, yet it's still someone else who gets it, despite you two doing the same thing. How would make the question practical, implying there is an answer on how to be loved or being able to feel loved, while why is much more depressing. How would only mean you are a newbie, you don't have experience in this. Why says you tried, you really tried, but you just don't understand what's wrong.

The song is funky as fuck, but radiates a feeling of chronic help- and hopelessness.

I've always felt the "why do you" refers to himself, at least for part of the song, He's asking why he is so loved by his fans and yet he feels so isolated and alone. Then in the latter half he come to grips with this, and the upbeat music represents him finally embracing it.

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Three years ago today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwrxcO48N8

[witte]

a little bit disappointing day for me...
not my style

[Ryan]

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

"New NIN coming in 2016. Other stuff, too."

[implanted_microchip]

Honestly I don't mind waiting as long as it means that there's an album being worked on for a longer period of time than the past few. I've said on here on many occasions that I don't dislike any NIN records but that it's hitting a point where, after Hesitation Marks, if it keeps following the same production style, song structure, tropes and general presentation method then it's going to get a little stale for me, and a thing I've definitely noticed is that aside from Year Zero, none of the albums that have been made in the past decade that have had such a relatively quick production cycle (at least as far as NIN is concerned) have been close to as impacting, as lasting or as just generally spell-binding for me as things like With Teeth or The Fragile are.

I don't want Trent to be pulling teeth in the studio, but I would just like to hear something that had more than a year or less of work put into it. I'm really interested in what a NIN record would sound like now with a longer gestation period considering we really have no idea what kind of thing Trent would put out nowadays if he took more time on something again. I mean, I like The Slip, but it's territory I never want to go back to again and as a one-off I don't mind but more along those lines would just really turn me off heavily. Hesitation Marks had some interesting and unique DNA to it and yet I still feel like there's things that, especially now distanced from it by time, seem to really hold it back a lot -- there's a lot of songs that sound like they start to break into some new and vivid territory but then get sort of suffocated by the "typical" NIN production style.

I honestly feel like the same people have been involved for too long at this point and would just love a new NIN project with a totally new group of people in studio with Trent, but I know better than to ever expect that to happen. That's a big part of why I probably don't find HTDA terribly interesting or unique to me -- it still "sounds" the same to my ears, production-wise, approach-wise, structurally, stylistically, what have you -- it just sounds a whole lot like a quieter Year Zero to me, which I don't mind and I do often like, but it doesn't get me excited even remotely quite like the prospects of another NIN record that goes in a radically different direction does.

I'm in a very strict minority but songs like Everything and Running honestly interest me a million times more than a song like I Would For You (which, far and away, left me colder than almost any other HM song) because they just don't sound like what I expect out of Trent. I love it when NIN takes me to new places. I just get this recurring feeling that there's a comfort zone Trent and Co. don't push themselves out of anymore in the studio, which disappoints me to say. And then when fan reactions to those moments that do go out there into stranger lands are so toxic and so over-reactive, and so clearly make TR take note -- that makes me extremely cynical about the idea that we'll really be getting anything particularly unusual. Something like Tetsuo is a million times more exciting than Copy of a is for me (and honestly the live performances of Copy of a have more or less flattened the album cut for me and I never get the charge from it that I used to; especially that festival/2014 setup -- that, to me, brought to life everything that, in studio, is more or less seething beneath the surface the entire time).

Oddly enough though, I adore Came Back Haunted, and part of why is that it absolutely is somewhat typical NIN, but it sounds like there's a true energy and life flowing through its veins there. There's a charge to it that I don't hear on something like 1,000,000 (which might be my absolute least-favorite "modern era" NIN song).

[Ryan]

kleiner vaginer

[cashpiles (closed)]

I'm not even on this forum anymore for Nine Inch Nails' past music. That phase of my life seems to be over. But I still like reading/hearing about NIN... and having dreams of new NIN music......and there's always a chance that I'll like new NIN music.

[implanted_microchip]

I'm not even on this forum anymore for Nine Inch Nails' past music. That phase of my life seems to be over. But I still like reading/hearing about NIN... and having dreams of new NIN music......and there's always a chance that I'll like new NIN music.

But, but, but I thought you were the guy with all the 53cr3t 1n51d3r kn0wl3dg3 about release dates and announcements and stuff!

You're not telling me you're just a liar, are you???

[billpulsipher]

considering the last 2 albums were mediocre to poor, maybe TR is taking his time with this one, realizing how important it is at this juncture of his career....

[implanted_microchip]

realizing how important it is at this juncture of his career....

I'm sure that with his Academy Award, his net worth in the millions, his happy and successful family and his acclaimed film scoring career he's just fucking sweating about whether or not his next NIN album is a big enough deal or not. It all comes down to this!

[Ryan]

I'm sure that with his Academy Award, his net worth in the millions, his happy and successful family and his acclaimed film scoring career he's just fucking sweating about whether or not his next NIN album is a big enough deal or not. It all comes down to this!

Oh snap crackle pop.

[Volband]

I've always felt the "why do you" refers to himself, at least for part of the song, He's asking why he is so loved by his fans and yet he feels so isolated and alone. Then in the latter half he come to grips with this, and the upbeat music represents him finally embracing it.
Yes, I'm aware it's probably the most accepted interpretation, but isn't it almost the same? He doesn't understand why people love him, which means he personally does not love himself nor thinks he has qualities which should warrant it.

I do not necessarily agree with that he accepts it in the end though. ATL, Closer, ILFTJYF have rather sad themes. Also, WT has some rather depressing songs where Trent questions himself or the way he lived or lives his life. In You Know What You Are? Trent struggles an awful lot with himself and gives no mercy. He hated what he stood for. But WT also has EDIETS and TLBTB; both songs radiate defeat.

Though the record has an awful lot of coming to terms with himself in one way or another, but these are not exactly the happiest conclusions. If we ignore the chorus in ATLITW we also get a rather sad picture. Even in the last verse, where he basically says he's only happy when he's with us, and he feels relevant, so even that ends with Sometimes I get so lonely I could ... [die].

In the end, I think he was extremely grateful for the millions of people being a fan of his, and it was the thing that kept him going, made him come back, but on the inside, he still failed to accept that he was worthy for that love, because he had seen himself for the selfish monster he thought himself to be.

[cashpiles (closed)]

Lots of people seem to be getting in a big tizzy over the lack of announcements/musical output so far this year. Rest assured, when the new Apple Music is unveiled, the new NIN album/EP will be unveiled.

[implanted_microchip]

Lots of people seem to be getting in a big tizzy over the lack of announcements/musical output so far this year. Rest assured, when the new Apple Music is unveiled, the new NIN album/EP will be unveiled.

I'm so glad our residential Trollstradamus has returned to sharing his predictive powers with us commoners

[somewhat_]

I wouldn't be surprised to see an EP come out with the Apple Music thing next week. Maybe a single and two non-album tracks on the EP and an album to be released in the fall? Tour dates would be cool next week too, but looks very unlikely with no festival dates.

[billpulsipher]

I'm sure that with his Academy Award, his net worth in the millions, his happy and successful family and his acclaimed film scoring career he's just fucking sweating about whether or not his next NIN album is a big enough deal or not. It all comes down to this!

good point. I mean TR doesnt have a history of sweating over an album or being a perfectionist or anything....

[sweeterthan]

I wouldn't be surprised to see an EP come out with the Apple Music thing next week. Maybe a single and two non-album tracks on the EP and an album to be released in the fall? Tour dates would be cool next week too, but looks very unlikely with no festival dates.

I'm so desperate, I actually hope there is some NIN feature to the next Apple Music release. But I'm not sure that apple or Trent would think its a valuable idea for either party. It just seems like Trent would be limiting himself if he did an apple only release. Plus, Apple could probably get whoever the cool kids are listening to these days, which is not nin.


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[gorast]

I don't think he would go so far as to tie actual, real NIN music to Apple Music. Remixes are one thing, instrumentals are another, but new studio material is completely different.

Maybe, at most, timed exclusivity - like, a week or something. I don't even like that very much, though. Streaming exclusivity just screams "pirate me instead."

[Ryan]

A Bowie cover on Apple Music would be nice and appropriate...

[implanted_microchip]

A Bowie cover on Apple Music would be nice and appropriate...

A NIN cover of Always Crashing In the Same Car could be pretty amazing

[Volband]

good point. I mean TR doesnt have a history of sweating over an album or being a perfectionist or anything....
He also has a history of releasing an intentionally low-effort record, making an album from the stuff he did on his laptop while on tour and so on. There was a Trent Reznor in 99, in 08 and there is one in 16 and we have no idea how does he feel now about going into a new record. Whether he wants to change the world once again, or just wants to jam around.

[implanted_microchip]

He also has a history of releasing an intentionally low-effort record, making an album from the stuff he did on his laptop while on tour and so on. There was a Trent Reznor in 99, in 08 and there is one in 16 and we have no idea how does he feel now about going into a new record. Whether he wants to change the world once again, or just wants to jam around.

I will say I like the image in my head though of Trent literally physically sweating with anxiety over how many times to repeat the ending to 1,000,000 before finally deciding it should be an actual 1,000,000 times, or as close as Atticus would allow. "This is what my entire goddamn career's led up to, you fucking idiots! Fuck it, play 999,999 again -- I know something in that mix isn't right!"

[billpulsipher]

He also has a history of releasing an intentionally low-effort record, making an album from the stuff he did on his laptop while on tour and so on. There was a Trent Reznor in 99, in 08 and there is one in 16 and we have no idea how does he feel now about going into a new record. Whether he wants to change the world once again, or just wants to jam around.

you just made my point. Thank you for that....Because the record he took his time on (1999) is regarded by many as his pinnacle and the record he made quickly and low effort (2008) is regarded as one of his weakest..Further proving my illustrious point on how he may be taking his time with the new record because he realizes the quick low effort album only leads to substandard work.

[implanted_microchip]

Considering 1,000,000 is still a staple and Letting You got a lot of play last tour, along with Echoplex popping up along the Tension dates, I'd say Trent himself probably doesn't regard it as particularly weak. Those weren't "hits" and there'd be no reason to play them if he didn't feel good about them. No one's going to likely leave a show muttering angrily that "it was good, but they didn't play that song about feeling a million miles away again, so it was a real waste of money coming here all in all." He probably feels just fine about it, and considering all the indie sales records it set at the time, financially the numbers back that sentiment.

I'm not even a fan of The Slip but I doubt Trent has some sense of "Oh no, that album I did 7 years ago just wasn't up to snuff and I need to go through intensive addiction, recovery attempts, deep personal loss and writer's block to make something worthwhile again!"

It's been said a lot that The Fragile took so long in part because of dry spells, a lack of focus, constantly changing goals and directions and a real constant disorder. The guy also was touring heavily for several years, working on a couple of different big soundtracks and produced a sprawling concept album that he was heavily involved in which has a fabled production tale of extreme chaos and disorder that you may have heard called Antichrist Superstar, while also trying to make Nothing Records into more than just another short-lived vanity label and also doing ... well, whatever the fuck he was doing with Tapeworm and Leo Herrara. It's just as easily argued that it is as good as it is despite the long time it took rather than because of how long it took. And, even then, actual full-on sessions for it didn't run from 1994 to 1999. All in all it was more like two years, right? With Teeth's a better fit as an example of an album that took a very large amount of work and time and while I'm a huge fan of it not everyone's so hot about it. A lot of people bitch that the earlier Bleedthrough concept was better -- and that's a potential consequence of working too long on something; you can end up overworking an idea to the point where the best version's lost and you've sanded it down too finely.

There's this petty idealization of "classic NIN" from a lot of ... less tactful fans, to say the least, that really doesn't hold up under scrutiny. A lot of these same people love Broken which was made pretty quickly. Time invested is not directly proportionate to the level of quality. One idea might take a year to perfect and another might take a day. Different things call for different gestation periods. Art isn't like a fetus where there's a set 9 month period required that's a univeral standard. It's highly variable. Terrence Mallick and David Fincher have wildly different schedules and amounts of time spent on their respective films and yet both are lauded. Some writers pump out a novel a year and others spend their lives polishing just one. You can try and reduce it to some formula of "THIS is what would always lead to the best work," but you can never really be terrifically certain.

[HurtinMinorKey]

I'd put The Slip in a different category than Hesitation Marks. The Slip was raw, but it still sounded like Trent was the driving force behind the architecture of the sound. Hesitation Marks sounds like Trent provided some vocals and basic ideas and then phoned the rest in, letting other people do a lot of the leg-work in the arrangement and production. Of course that is pure speculation, but HM sticks out as the most soulless of his releases.

[Volband]

you just made my point. Thank you for that....Because the record he took his time on (1999) is regarded by many as his pinnacle and the record he made quickly and low effort (2008) is regarded as one of his weakest..Further proving my illustrious point on how he may be taking his time with the new record because he realizes the quick low effort album only leads to substandard work.
The basic idea I was trying to refute is that it is not important for his career anymore, not even sure why you said that. He can permanently retire NIN and still have a prosperous future. No one in the world is saying "yeah, this Trent Reznor dude... I think he might be talented, but I am remaining skeptical until he doesn't release another great record."

Like it or not, he can drop dead yesterday and still die as a rich as fuck legend who did not leave anything left to prove.

That being said, I agree with HurtinMinorKey (whose name I just understood, LOL) that it was not The Slip which was problematic. Hesitation Marks feels like it had disgustingly low effort and creativity put into it. It had a few moments (including Everything, because whether you like it or hate it, it's at least daring), but the rest was just played safe. The songs are not bad, they just feel like some washed up versions of cover songs from NIN's previous records with some additional HTDA songs. The only creative song on HM is Running.

[cashpiles (closed)]

Considering 1,000,000 is still a staple and Letting You got a lot of play last tour, along with Echoplex popping up along the Tension dates, I'd say Trent himself probably doesn't regard it as particularly weak. Those weren't "hits" and there'd be no reason to play them if he didn't feel good about them. No one's going to likely leave a show muttering angrily that "it was good, but they didn't play that song about feeling a million miles away again, so it was a real waste of money coming here all in all." He probably feels just fine about it, and considering all the indie sales records it set at the time, financially the numbers back that sentiment.

And let's not forget at the time of The Slip being released, Trent said that he made it as a record of songs that could be played live (paraphrasing)... so to that end he seems to have also been successful in his aim if he still plays Slip material in live shows.

[Ryan]

And let's not forget at the time of The Slip being released, Trent said that he made it as a record of songs that could be played live (paraphrasing)... so to that end he seems to have also been successful in his aim if he still plays Slip material in live shows.

Why no Demon Seed live then?

[Volband]

Why no Demon Seed live then?
Is that a serious question? [and no, I don't mean the song is shit or could not be played live, but this is just not a good question]

[Ryan]

Is that a serious question? [and no, I don't mean the song is shit or could not be played live, but this is just not a good question]

Yes it is. Especially since we saw footage of Ilan rehearsing it!

[fillow]

Ilan later said he did it on his own just for fun and the challenge. Trent was kinda impressed but still never really considered the song to be played.

[Volband]

Yes it is. Especially since we saw footage of Ilan rehearsing it!
The reason I asked was not because of Demon Seed, but because you implied every and all songs on that album should have been played. Even if you have live shows in mind when you are making a record, it was done in such a short time that it is still impressive it turned out the way it did. Also, I doubt he literally said he made every single song on it live show friendly.

[billpulsipher]

I remember seeing an interview a couple years ago where he expressed regret over how bad The Slip sounded/was produced and said something to the effect of "I can't believe I released a record that sounds that shitty" regarding the production....that right there is an admission of a rush job

[BRoswell]

I remember seeing an interview a couple years ago where he expressed regret over how bad The Slip sounded/was produced and said something to the effect of "I can't believe I released a record that sounds that shitty" regarding the production....that right there is an admission of a rush job

Anybody else remember this interview?

[Khrz]

Really ? I'd love a source on that, because I always thought the garage sound was actually the whole point.

[implanted_microchip]

Really ? I'd love a source on that, because I always thought the garage sound was actually the whole point.

Yeah I'm about completely certain the comment our faithful friend BP is referring to was Trent remarking in a self-effacing, comedic tone of "I'm surprised that I let myself have that freedom and go for such a radically different production style that was supposed to sound like something from a garage instead of some elaborately polished and sheened project." The whole thing seemed like a personal challenge of "Can I actually make an album in the span of a month or so efficiently and completely," it wasn't supposed to be heard as "THE FRAGILE'S RIVAL, MOVE OVER DOWNWARD SPIRAL 'CAUSE A NEW BULLETEATER'S IN TOWWWWN" (god I have such a thing for making jokes about the lyrics for 1,000,000 and I don't even know why)

[Krazy]

Anybody else remember this interview?

Nope.

10chars

[Krazy]

More of a random ETS thought:

"Most users ever online was 3,023, 05-27-2016 at 09:09 AM."

^^^ That can't be right...

[Ryan]

More of a random ETS thought:

"Most users ever online was 3,023, 05-27-2016 at 09:09 AM."

^^^ That can't be right...

Guest bots or something probably.

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Anybody else remember this interview?
I think I do, although the actual quote is a lot less conclusive.


Yeah, I was kind of freaked out at how weird the last record [The Slip] sounds. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but listening to it, I was saying "What the fuck?"

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/trent-reznor-im-trying-to-be-as-pure-as-when-i-started-20131011

[nooneimportant]

The Slip reminds me of Broken. A very dirty sound. It's great.

[Horican]

The Slip got Trent his best reviews in a decade. And it's a fantastic record

[ultimatebdp]

you just made my point. Thank you for that....Because the record he took his time on (1999) is regarded by many as his pinnacle and the record he made quickly and low effort (2008) is regarded as one of his weakest..Further proving my illustrious point on how he may be taking his time with the new record because he realizes the quick low effort album only leads to substandard work.

I think his quick turnaround albums (Slip and Ghosts) are great because of the sound and spontaneity of those tracks. On the other hand, he spent a solid year working on Hesitation Marks...which is good, but it's not The Fragile.
It all just depends on what he's feeling...not how much time he spends.

[implanted_microchip]

I have to say I think there's a really misguided set of expectations not just with NIN but all music and most art in general which is this idea that everything has to be another masterpiece. I don't think The Slip is amazing but I don't find it terrible and just because I consider it pretty average I don't think NIN is somehow damaged as a brand or an artistic project. I really enjoy Hesitation Marks but don't think it's close to a 10/10 and I think that that's just perfectly alright. I don't think Trent ever released a long-running string of masterpieces, he's had more than most artists and even when he's not at his greatest, I still think he makes interesting or enjoyable work.

Broken is not perfect to me at all, yet I really enjoy it. Pretty Hate Machine's classic and yet really requires you to listen to it in context. It doesn't seem timeless. With Teeth is nearly perfect and yet there's a few moments that make that hard to really say. Year Zero as a complete project, ARG and all, is unbelievable and yet I think a lot of the most interesting aspects have little to do with the songs themselves (and I believe some trimming would've benefited it; it could've worked a lot better as double album with one released early in a year and the other released later). The Slip is enjoyable but will never give me what I get from The Downward Spiral -- and it's very clearly not trying to. It's an experiment. Ghosts is a hard thing to go through start to finish since after a certain point my brain seems to shut off, yet in the right frame of mind it's great.

Not everything has to be perfect and not everything has to blow my mind. Almost any artist is going to have to make a few things that aren't the greatest so that they can then make something amazing. You learn from everything you make and you get things out of your system, you gain experience and you develop a sense of what works best and what doesn't. If I felt that for several albums in a row NIN had sucked, that'd be one thing -- but even my least favorite album, I still like and enjoy a lot of. Hell, Head Down and Demon Seed are two of my all-time favorite NIN songs, and yet I could not be less interested in Letting You, a song that I find more mildly grating than I do impacting. And yet I'd still be interested in seeing it live, just because things can translate so differently in that setting -- out of three shows I've seen, Hand That Feeds has been one of the most reliably intense and crowd-pleasing moments of any of them, and yet it's a song I roll my eyes at if I see it on a setlist ahead of time.

I'd love for another masterpiece of a record, for another thing that challenges me a lot as a listener and blows my mind open again, but I also don't demand that and I don't expect that from everything. PT Anderson is my favorite modern-era director and yet Inherent Vice wasn't really my kinda thing. That does not make me love his body of work any less or consider him any less talented, it just means he did something that didn't click with me as well. It'd take something aggressively bad to really make me shut down as a fan and stop caring. I could've never heard Disappointed in my entire life and wouldn't have ever felt I was missing much and yet While I'm Still Here/Black Noise gives me chills. And live, that was one of the best moments of any concert I've had the luxury of experiencing. That's worth it to me.

[cashpiles (closed)]

new NIN EP: Mandelbrot

1. Julia (3:57)
2. The Art Of Roughness (4:25)
3. Fractalist (6:01)
4. A Degree Of Order (4:18)
5. Mandala (5:11)

[Ryan]

Produced by Rorschach.

[Dr Channard]

Some righteous comments on The Slip right here.


The Slip reminds me of Broken. A very dirty sound. It's great.


The Slip got Trent his best reviews in a decade. And it's a fantastic record


I think his quick turnaround albums (Slip and Ghosts) are great because of the sound and spontaneity of those tracks. …

Amen brothers. Amen.

It might not be Trent’s career defining album, but it’s a solid addition to the nin catalogue. And, the price was unbeatable.

[Halo Infinity]

It might not be Trent’s career defining album, but it’s a solid addition to the nin catalogue. And, the price was unbeatable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq0wlp3tqR8

[Ryan]

I wouldn't be surprised to see an EP come out with the Apple Music thing next week. Maybe a single and two non-album tracks on the EP and an album to be released in the fall? Tour dates would be cool next week too, but looks very unlikely with no festival dates.

When does the Apple Music thing happen?

[HurtinMinorKey]

When does the Apple Music thing happen?
http://www.dw.com/en/whats-in-store-for-apples-wwdc16/a-19322038

Conference kicks off Monday. They name drop TR in the article with respect to Apple Music.

"One of the guys in charge of the new look is Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor, according to Bloomberg."

[wizfan]

Took a quick look at the 5.1 mix of the movie The Raid 2 and can confirm that the two NIN songs in the movie (13 and 14 Ghosts II) have been mixed to 5.1 surround specifically for the movie using the multitracks, with clear instrument separation. I don't know if the movie's sound team made the mixes or if they asked TR&AR to do them, but they still sound GREAT.

[Ryan]

http://www.dw.com/en/whats-in-store-for-apples-wwdc16/a-19322038

Conference kicks off Monday. They name drop TR in the article with respect to Apple Music.

"One of the guys in charge of the new look is Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor, according to Bloomberg."

Come onnnnn, EP!

[Mutilated]

Time to lower expectations and move on.

[WorzelG]

Since the apple music thing launches in autumn, I'd be happy with maybe some new stuff\ep or single at the end of the year followed by an album\tour next year. Another htda or soundtrack wouldn't go amiss either

[WorzelG]

I wish Trent hadn't joined that chorus of musicians slagging off youtube. It just comes over as admonishing people for using it and gets everyone's backs up. YouTube is still my go to service to listen to stuff, it has videos which only tidal seems to have streaming wise and I actually like the comments aspect. Also Trent put that tension concert performance on youtube but omitted to actually release the bluray - so i'd buy stuff if you release it. (And I bought cargo in the blood so I don't feel like just a freeloader who wants free stuff)

[sheepdean]

I wish Trent hadn't joined that chorus of musicians slagging off youtube. It just comes over as admonishing people for using it and gets everyone's backs up. YouTube is still my go to service to listen to stuff, it has videos which only tidal seems to have streaming wise and I actually like the comments aspect. Also Trent put that tension concert performance on youtube but omitted to actually release the bluray - so i'd buy stuff if you release it. (And I bought cargo in the blood so I don't feel like just a freeloader who wants free stuff)
I remember him promoting an entire album through it with a music video festival~

[WorzelG]

I remember him promoting an entire album through it with a music video festival~

The Ghosts film festival, whatever happened to that?

[eversonpoe]

The Ghosts film festival, whatever happened to that?

not enough. it was such a cool idea.

[m15a]

I wish Trent hadn't joined that chorus of musicians slagging off youtube. It just comes over as admonishing people for using it and gets everyone's backs up.

I read the article kind of quickly, but I didn't make the connection between criticizing YouTube and criticizing people that use it. I don't think it'd be very good if people couldn't criticize a business without worrying about offending anyone that uses their product/service.

He wasn't criticising everything on YouTube anyway. Just the unlicensed stuff and how YouTube relies on that content to earn money. EDIT: Actually, he went on to say more, but I wasn't really following since I don't know enough about YouTube's business model.

[implanted_microchip]

A whole tour with Peter Murphy in the band done like those radio shows they did with The Black Queen opening would be such a fever (day)dream for me.

[bobbie solo]

agree that I dont like Trent's tone in that interview one bit. Also don't like his comments about streaming and what could mean for us re: future releases.

[thevoid99]

Does this mean this is the beginning of Trent, the businessman/Apple corporate puppet?

[implanted_microchip]

I personally always thought one of Trent's strengths and part of why he's had such a longevity compared to a lot of his peers was his business-savviness. The guy knew how to market, he knew how to represent himself, he knew how to play things smart and not implode the NIN brand or embarrass himself. His foray into the indie world with Ghosts and The Slip was a fucking brilliant business decision -- isn't The Slip, a 100% free and legal to fileshare album, certified Gold or something? Ghosts made a shitton of money while making it legal to torrent and offering it digitally for the cheap and sold a bunch of physical copies in the thick of the music industry trying to convince everyone that nobody would buy physical releases anymore.

I don't see how someone saying "I don't like the way that YouTube takes a lot of financial support and control of release of content away from artists" makes him some corporate puppet at all. I see him as someone who hated the system, got mad at the system, took his ball and went home away from the system, watched the system get restructured completely and now is trying to find a way to navigate within it and sail smoothly rather than just shouting constantly into irrelevance. As long as we don't see new NIN restricted to one streaming service, I don't care at all what he wants to do with Apple. I mean, I wish his entire career was devoted to alternating between performing all of Year Zero, With Teeth, Downward Spiral and The Fragile in my living room and other private venues with an audience of me every night with Tetsuo: The Bullet Man Theme and Broken encores but it's not going to happen.

I just don't get what it is that he said in that interview that somehow doesn't match up with how he's sounded for years now.

[WorzelG]

agree that I dont like Trent's tone in that interview one bit. Also don't like his comments about streaming and what could mean for us re: future releases.

He also said he started to buy vinyl again though which suggests he still likes physical releases

[Ryan]

I mean, I wish his entire career was devoted to alternating between performing all of Year Zero, With Teeth, Downward Spiral and The Fragile in my living room and other private venues with an audience of me every night with Tetsuo: The Bullet Man Theme and Broken encores but it's not going to happen.

Don't eat my dreams. That's all still going to come true for me, I know it.

[implanted_microchip]

Don't eat my dreams. That's all still going to come true for me, I know it.

Ryan is this a way of saying to me that you wanna be roommates

[Ryan]

You're god damn right it is.

[nooneimportant]

It really sucks Everything was never played live. The tiny rehearsal snippet you hear at 3:09 in the video at below sounds great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwgIhDzlN4

[Xvostya]

Looks like new interview was a perfect acid test. And turning point.

But I survived everything.


From Russian NIN Community:


Staring at account
Will it grow?
Is there cash for me
After all I gave for free
Everything at highest price
All of this for me
All the spoils of Stevie Jobs
All of this for me
Mariqueen has closed her eyes
Tired wallet worn and thin
For all I could have earn
And all that could have sell

Money pulls me close
And whispers in my ear
The destiny I've chose
Should've been so rich
The dollars have their say
The Apple is drawing near
Buying me away
Makes me hate things free

And I descend from grace
In arms of AppleStore
I will hate YouTube
For the new IPhone

I still need money
Even so fucking rich


("The Great Below (instrumental)" to sing to is available on Nine Inch Nails' Connect page at Apple Music, only $9.99 /mo. for Individual Membership)

[Khrz]

*groaaaan*

[WorzelG]

This is why I didn't like that comment about youtube. Everybody has to be so black and white about everything and social media makes this so much worse. I don't think trent is some corporate schill because of what he said but that's how it could be perceived.
Going back to youtube, there's so much cool stuff on there, old TV shows, interviews, concert footage that can't be monetised, this is not something you could add to a streaming service that would be lost without youtube. (God i've just used the term monetised! I"ve been reading far too much of this save the music industry shit and i'm not even in it)

[implanted_microchip]

^ I don't see what's wrong with feeling art is worth something and that the people who make it should be able to make a living. Someone like Trent is financially fine but people trying to break in right now across most mediums are struggling to make a living, let alone musicians. The director of the indie darling Tangerine last year that won awards recently mentioned having made virtually no money from it since all the popularity came from Netflix, for instance.

I know people with several albums put out that are high quality, well-polished, play shows at festivals and have a pretty good following in their areas and yet they all work day jobs and don't seem to remotely expect label representation or financial success anytime soon. That's an honest problem and all I really see TR doing is trying to develop a new model that allows for success since the old path is walled over and dead.

It's so weird to me. You'd think the guy just came out and proclaimed all future NIN releases as Apple Music-only exclusives for the rest of time.

[mauro995]

Well, maybe you should know that The Fragile and With Teeth instrumentals are available for free on Apple Music, you don't need a paid subscription.


Looks like new interview was a perfect acid test. And turning point.

But I survived everything.


From Russian NIN Community:


("The Great Below (instrumental)" to sing to is available on Nine Inch Nails' Connect page at Apple Music, only $9.99 /mo. for Individual Membership)

[WorzelG]

Well, maybe you should know that The Fragile and With Teeth instrumentals are available for free on Apple Music, you don't need a paid subscription.
Some people find even the proposition of putting iTunes on their computer some terrible evil. I don't understand it personally especially because apple seem quite keen on privacy (although I've heard about icloud problems with music libraries, you don't have to install this though)

[Xvostya]

Well, maybe you should know that The Fragile and With Teeth instrumentals are available for free on Apple Music, you don't need a paid subscription.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcvZDrEnM4YnK3zrQzIDFN04EBk9B4_ _23ijg1TQp-TlsWLSJ0GQ

[bobbie solo]

@WorzelG (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/811-WorzelG) yeah, I know. But most people don't buy vinyl. It may be archaic but I expect a physical release other than vinyl. If the only options are streaming & vinyl, i'll sadly be torrenting NIN for the first time. You honestly can't see the next NIN release coming strictly through Apple Music after this interview? Seems almost like a foregone conclusion to me...at least for the first few weeks or months.

[Khrz]

WorzelG : Well I can understand it ; I don't want a dozen browsers, just the one that I find best. Same for the games store, if a game's exclusive on Origin I won't get it, I have Steam, period. And it's the same when it comes to music players, I don't have any iProduct, the thing's quite heavyweight and most of its features are useless to me.
It's not so much evil as cumbersome, and as a matter of principle I understand that some people just don't get why they should have to go through a certain platform, and this platform only, to gain access to something that is supposedly for everyone to enjoy equally.

I do think that the fact that you have to go through itunes is a condition to get those files, and that it's a form of "free" transaction, a form of contract, and that the music is only "free" on a pure monetary level. And I do think that it's a very minor hindrance, personally.

But I get why it would annoy some people and I don't think their position is any less valid than mine.


You honestly can't see the next NIN release coming strictly through Apple Music after this interview? Seems almost like a foregone conclusion to me...

Yeah I can't see it either to be honest, there's nothing in this interview that meant "next NIN exclusively on Apple Music" to me, that wasn't the discussion.

[bobbie solo]

My main issues with Itunes are that:

A. it's a gigantic memory hog. Sucks up so much of your computer's RAM usage and such.

B. Apple isn't content to just have Itunes be a method of you obtaining music. No, they make it a big pain in the ass to have Itunes not completely take over your music collecting, sorting & playing environment on your computer. And I personally think having to run my entire collection (which is well over 800gb of music) through fucking Itunes is unnecessary.

[WorzelG]

My main issues with Itunes are that:

A. it's a gigantic memory hog. Sucks up so much of your computer's RAM usage and such.

B. Apple isn't content to just have Itunes be a method of you obtaining music. No, they make it a big pain in the ass to have Itunes not completely take over your music collecting, sorting & playing environment on your computer. And I personally think having to run my entire collection (which is well over 800gb of music) through fucking Itunes is unnecessary.
Yeah I think the way apple links with your own music library is major off-putting

[Your Name Here]

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[HurtinMinorKey]

^ I don't see what's wrong with feeling art is worth something and that the people who make it should be able to make a living. Someone like Trent is financially fine but people trying to break in right now across most mediums are struggling to make a living, let alone musicians.

The problem is that this issue has nothing to do with artists making a living. And TR sounds like a shithead for pretending he really cares about that. This about people who already make obscene amounts of money making more-- the 0.1% of artists. This is about marketing departments and CEOs making money. Truth is, most artists can make a living doing performances, and most artists never made a huge amounts of money from their record sales. Furthermore, if musicians were really getting paid for the "art" they produce, then Nickleback would be collecting unemployment.

[Khrz]

Furthermore, if musicians were really getting paid for the "art" they produce, then Nickleback would be collecting unemployment.

Your point was interesting and then you blew it. Nobody's asking you or your exclusive group of like-minded people to define what "art" is and what is "worthy". You produce something, people buy it, it makes money, period. If Reznor had said "product" instead of "art" you would have found it insufferably douchey. But when it comes to marketing, it's what "art" is.
Nickelback sells, whether you like it or not. It's not a credit to the quality of their art, maybe, but that's an endless debate, eminently subjective and utterly pointless. So yeah, Nickelback makes money, so does Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park, and whatever new band it's cool to hate now. Deal with it.

Ultimately, it's not about what people sell, but about what people want to buy. What they'd rather stream off youtube 20 times a day rather than spit 10$ to own it. Apple Music, Spotify, Google Music, those are far from being perfect, but at least that's a step up from piracy and free streaming, as far as the artists are concerned. And yeah, that means that 0,1% of the bands will be paid correctly. That what the people are ready to give them. It sucks, it's a shitty attitude, and it's unhealthy.
It's not about building an utopia from the ground up, but about trying to slowly right the wrongs and find ways for the artists to see some amount of money for their work.

As I said, yeah, it's far from perfect and there's still a long way. At least it's a work in progress.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Your point was interesting and then you blew it. Nobody's asking you or your exclusive group of like-minded people to define what "art" is and what is "worthy". You produce something, people buy it, it makes money, period. If Reznor had said "product" instead of "art" you would have found it insufferably douchey. But when it comes to marketing, it's what "art" is.
Nickelback sells, whether you like it or not. It's not a credit to the quality of their art, maybe, but that's an endless debate, eminently subjective and utterly pointless. So yeah, Nickelback makes money, so does Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park, and whatever new band it's cool to hate now. Deal with it.



You make a fair point, and of course tastes/preferences are ultimately subjective, but I think you can draw the line between art made for the purpose of expression, and commercial art which is controlled by a marketing department and made for the sole purpose of profit. Maybe Nickleback isn't the perfect example, as I chose them off hand, but I don't think that's the point anyway. The point is that to the extent that musicians are producing valuable art, there is a relatively weak correlation between the value of the art itself and commercial success. Another way of putting it is, that if nicklback disappeared from the earth, people would probably listen to something else that a major record label markets to them, and be no worse off.

[billpulsipher]

amazing how Trent went from "here's my album for free" to mr corporate "youtube is evil" "downloaders are evil" and all this drivel......starting to think him joining up with apple is the worst decision he has ever made. its turned him into a corporate sell out company man....just make a fucking NIN record. nobody gives a shit about the new apple platform

[Khrz]

YThe point is that to the extent that musicians are producing valuable art, there is a relatively weak correlation between the value of the art itself and commercial success.
My point was that it wasn't the point of the topic at hand. The interview in which Reznor was featured was about marketing solutions to try to respond to marketing problems.
It's not about the relevance or validity of a piece of art. Its about whether artists should be able to make money off it, and how to manage that in a world where art is seen as up for grabs.
Streaming services are the solution that shows the most promise so far, and making the UX as appealing as possible is key if you want your users to become clients, thus people who will - finally - pay to have access to art, again.


amazing how Trent went from "here's my album for free" to mr corporate "youtube is evil" "downloaders are evil" and all this drivel......

I swear you have the most selective memory ever. Reznor has ALWAYS been Mr "My art isn't for free you little shits, I'm fucking working my ass off for it". The guy makes a gift that ONE time and suddenly he's a corporate whore when he doesn't want to be ripped off.
Seriously he even reiterated in the interview that he's always found the way things work now absolutely regrettable. It's just that he's realistic enough to admit that the old ways are dead and buried.

[Bachy]

The outro for this is fucking phenomenal. Does anyone know if there's an audio file of this out there?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jr4og6D4o

[WorzelG]

Reznor has ALWAYS been Mr "My art isn't for free you little shits, I'm fucking working my ass off for it". The guy makes a gift that ONE time and suddenly he's a corporate whore when he doesn't want to be ripped off.
Seriously he even reiterated in the interview that he's always found the way things work now absolutely regrettable. It's just that he's realistic enough to admit that the old ways are dead and buried.
I'm sure someone produced a documentary about downloading and Napster where Fragile era Trent was being the get off my lawn guy and Fred Durst was forward thinking this is the future guy

[Throw_it_away9]

I'm sure someone produced a documentary about downloading and Napster where Fragile era Trent was being the get off my lawn guy and Fred Durst was forward thinking this is the future guy

That would be a very excellent idea! I know just the cool dude to do it: Bill S Preston, Esq! [plays air guitar]

[WorzelG]

It wasn't exactly like that. I think this was the clip they showed. https://m.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/2gf1cu/trent_reznor_on_napster/

[Ryan]

The outro for this is fucking phenomenal. Does anyone know if there's an audio file of this out there?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jr4og6D4o

Google > YouTube to mp3 > voila!

[blassster]

The outro for this is fucking phenomenal. Does anyone know if there's an audio file of this out there?

Here's the original post for that, vimeo.com/8357960, you can download the mov file from the link in there (on desktop) and use whatever to rip the audio if you want the best quality officially available.

[Volband]

So I watched watchmojo's top 10 NIN songs video, and while obviously I (and we) could argue with a million stuff, because we could not even fucking agree which albums are the best among ourselves, it came as a shocker information, despite probably reading it already a dozen times in wikipedia or ninwiki, that EDIETS was a a commecial and professional success as well. It's funny, because while I know I'M not the only one here who loves that song, I can't recall a time EDIETS caused much attention here aside from the usual "it's boring" or "it's monotone but good!". Like, the track is so fuckng grey that even when discussing WT it's probably the last song mentioned.

It's just strange to me, and how Trent (assumably) did not like it playing live either. It might sound crazy and controversial now, but I don't think EDIETS becoming a recurrng live track throughout all of post WT tours was outside the realm of possibilities.

[WorzelG]

^^^I love that song too, I think it's a perfect pop song. The rehearsal version on Beside you in Time was a great performance of it and might have skewed me so much in favour of it

[cashpiles (closed)]

So I watched watchmojo's top 10 NIN songs video, and while obviously I (and we) could argue with a million stuff, because we could not even fucking agree which albums are the best among ourselves, it came as a shocker information, despite probably reading it already a dozen times in wikipedia or ninwiki, that EDIETS was a a commecial and professional success as well. It's funny, because while I know I'M not the only one here who loves that song, I can't recall a time EDIETS caused much attention here aside from the usual "it's boring" or "it's monotone but good!". Like, the track is so fuckng grey that even when discussing WT it's probably the last song mentioned.

It's just strange to me, and how Trent (assumably) did not like it playing live either. It might sound crazy and controversial now, but I don't think EDIETS becoming a recurrng live track throughout all of post WT tours was outside the realm of possibilities.

I liked EDIETS the most of all the With Teeth tracks when With Teeth was released. It's cool that this song presumably made a lot of money for Trent and co. I remember it was also used in film trailers and films.

[Ryan]

It's a shame this never happened because this part always intrigued me... I wonder how it was envisaged to look? -

http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=116


"It's more of a presentation and the artwork that you have now, that maybe you didn't quite understand, you'll see how it all fits into this. You'll get it.""

[botley]

It's a shame this never happened because this part always intrigued me... I wonder how it was envisaged to look? -

http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=116


"It's more of a presentation and the artwork that you have now, that maybe you didn't quite understand, you'll see how it all fits into this. You'll get it.""

Solutions Backward Initiative.

I think TR's plan in 2004 was to do an ARG that involved the album Bleedthrough with the same futuristic concept as what would later become Year Zero. After the initial songwriting phase was complete, however, he dropped it and changed the album name to With Teeth. But the plan was always to do a follow-up release that merged that album with the future transmission stuff.

[eversonpoe]

i wish they had made the Cargo In The Blood book able to house the cd and/or vinyl of hesitation marks. would have made it feel even cooler. also, i wish i had a spare $300 because i still really want to buy it : /

[mauro995]

Never heard this one before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWmght0uu2A

[botley]

I think Danny Hyde described that version as just "faders up" on the master reel they received from the band, hard stereo panning on certain tracks and centre-panning others. Not so much a remix, or even a demo, as "multi-track stems bounced to stereo without a lot of thought put into it".

[nooneimportant]

I hate that I even think this but whenever I hear Orgy's cover of "Blue Monday" it just reminds me of Nine Inch Nails. It's like the band attended a NIN show and decided "Hey, that's cool, I wanna do that." I mean I enjoy the track but it wouldn't be out of place for NIN either.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I hate that I even think this but whenever I hear Orgy's cover of "Blue Monday" it just reminds me of Nine Inch Nails. It's like the band attended a NIN show and decided "Hey, that's cool, I wanna do that." I mean I enjoy the track but it wouldn't be out of place for NIN either.

The first time I heard it, shortly after it was released, I thought it was a new Manson track.

[eversonpoe]

I hate that I even think this but whenever I hear Orgy's cover of "Blue Monday" it just reminds me of Nine Inch Nails. It's like the band attended a NIN show and decided "Hey, that's cool, I wanna do that." I mean I enjoy the track but it wouldn't be out of place for NIN either.

my wife and i were listening to Candyass in the car yesterday (and singing along...shut up) and i mentioned that i actually like orgy's cover better than new order's original version. the original feels like a straight line (no dynamics, no emotional catharsis), whereas orgy's version is very dynamic and very emotional. and don't get me wrong, i love new order, but that song in particular really benefited from being slightly reworked and made more intense.

i've always felt like orgy is the perfect balance between the good parts of nu-metal that happened around that time, and the more accessible parts of NIN.

[Bachy]

Listened to Memorabilia for the first time in years. Now that's what I'd call an industrial track.

[Harry Seaward]

I think maybe I'm Looking Forward To Joining You, Finally is my favorite song from The Fragile, both lyrically and musically. It took me years to really come around to it, but damn. That effect Trent does where he's whispering in the foreground and faintly screaming the same lyrics simultaneously in the background really fucks with me.

[reznovka]

I like to get my thoughts on whole "Trent VS youtube"-thing out.
I am shattered to hear that Trent is speaking out against it.
Sure, he's an artist and he produce something you should pay for but I guess we all know how much an artist gets for a sold CD or mp3, right?
Artists have to go on tours and produce merch to make enough money to live.
As a fan/part of the hardcore scene I know a lot of bands who are on tour 6 months a year and sleep in their bus or if they're lucky the get a couch at a fans house and even then they can't make enough money to get health insurance in the US. https://www.gofundme.com/aqb5umd8 <---The Ghost Inside needed a crowd funding campaign to get their bills paid.
These bands need youtube and other free media to become as big as NIN and other bands.
Arctic Monkeys were a phenomenon because they never a had record deal and played in big stadiums just because they uploaded their stuff on MySpace (R.I.P.).
A famous asshole and big music producer in Germany gave an interview years ago and was asked what he thinks about torrent and YT and he said that he likes it, because illegal downloads reach way more people than CDs do.
He also said that people should use illegal options and if they like it, they'll visit gigs and stuff and THAT's what brings money to an artist.
I don't want people to stop buying CDs and MP3s but I use youtube too. I found a lot of awesome bands on YT, bought a CD and went to a gig.
If not anybody would've uploaded the record on YT I'd never found it and the artist would have one less fan. (sentence feels wrong, sorry for my english :P)
It's not an artists POV Trent's speaking from it the POV of an business man and that's sad.

[Khrz]

It's not an artists POV Trent's speaking from it the POV of an business man and that's sad.

Why not both ?
The interview is in the context of the streaming service he helped to build.
I have discovered a lot of bands via spotify and google music, and contrary to youtube, those bands actually go money from me merely checking them out. Not a lot, not enough, but that's still better than peanuts.
SO yeah, that's a businessman's POV because Reznor has been actively trying to find business solutions to the huge business problem in the music industry.
The artist, on the other hand, has been trying for 15 years to come up with a solution equally satisfying for the creator and for the fans when it comes to distribution and costs. He funneled a ton of money in various ventures, he tried self-publishing and advertising, he tried various "pay what you want" models...

I'm not trying to sanctify the guy, but really all this ranting feels a bit entitled to me. You can't say the guy hasn't fucking tried at least, he's done more that 90% of the artists out there to come up with a decent business model for a whole industry who'd rather sue your ass and bury its head in the sand.

It's a bit late to complain about his venture in streaming territory now : If he's doing this, it's because none of the earlier solutions felt fair to him.

[Substance242]

This was already posted (by me) in correct topic, but if interested:
"Do you make more money these days through live shows and touring than through album sales? That seems to be where the all money is now."
http://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-albums-now-available-on-streaming-services/