Random NIN Thoughts

[BenAkenobi]

... we should hear some news in June.

New T******M album? Nice!

[sheepdean]

New T******M album? Nice!
I'm still waiting on that Adam Ant collab

[WorzelG]

I'm still waiting on that Adam Ant collab
Get in line, what about the Robert Smith collaboration ? Oh and Ian Astbury

[Khrz]

We haven't heard anything from Aaliyah in a good while, I say HTDA II.

[seasonsinthesky]

I wouldn't call Pilgrimage "filler" per-say. It's still not my favorite on the Fragile. Still better than Starfuckers, though. That song should have been erased off of the Fragile to become a b-side.

it was technically a b-side before TF came out :p

[sick among the pure]

sick among the pure = Leviathant in disguise

I have to say, that's the first time I've heard that one. I'll take that as a compliment.

[FernandoDante]

Coming back here week after week, you sure realize how long it's been since we've heard any proper, substantial announcements from the NIN camp.

[Leviathant]

Coming back here week after week, you sure realize how long it's been since we've heard any proper, substantial announcements from the NIN camp.

The closest thing I have to news is that Trent favorited my ninhotline tweet about HTDA b-sides a few weeks back. (He also at some point stopped following my personal account on Twitter, which explains why I stopped getting followed by shitty LA bands. I digress.) The last thing their PR dude contacted me about was that Russell Mills thing in October that is still at the top of theninhotline.net. With his new position at Apple, selling his house and not really mentioning the studio move (hopefully no vans rolled over in the desert this time), if I were to wager a guess, maybe he's got his nose to the grindstone making Apple Inc chief money for now & recharging the checking account & getting in quality family time. Maybe after some recharging, he'll be okay with releasing whatever's become of the Tension concert film, which may not (from his theoretical standpoint) currently be worth the effort of releasing 'properly.'

Or maybe he's about to drop a surprise album. Who knows.

[FernandoDante]

Maybe after some recharging, he'll be okay with releasing whatever's become of the Tension concert film, which may not (from his theoretical standpoint) currently be worth the effort of releasing 'properly.'



Trent looks at the footage and goes "that's too much time/money to put into a release, shelve it".That'd be my nightmare (NINghtmare?) come to life then, as I jokingly "predicted" here with no intention of it coming to fruition. Hopefully we're wrong and the release is around the corner.

Alessandro Cortini was following me on Instagram for some reason. The only pic of mine he liked was a cat picture. Then I tagged him as the Space Ace here, and that was the end of it:

https://instagram.com/p/1wONoCAu2I/

Just a silly joke. At least the other three people I tagged didn't block me for it.

[Deepvoid]

So the NIN store is having a 20% discount on all merch including HDTA. Making room for new merch? Am I reading too much into this?

[otnavuskire]

So the NIN store is having a 20% discount on all merch including HDTA. Making room for new merch? Am I reading too much into this?

I wish the cheapest shipping for the NIN zip up hoodie wasn't $13.74. Doesn't make the $8 discount feel like very much.

[cashpiles (closed)]

The Fragile album is still mind-blowing.

[ZRFTS]

"Wish" from "Broken" is my release song.

[Ryan]

I randomly have "itch in my head that's tellin me somewhere, somewhere out there anywhere I don't care get me outta here"

and "ALL THE PINS AND THE PRICKS" stuck in my head from Deep and it won't go away

speaking of, when did it first debut live?

[fillow]

speaking of, when did it first debut live?
September 2005, the last Jerome Dillon's tour with NIN

speaking of, where the hell is he?

[Jon]

September 2005, the last Jerome Dillon's tour with NIN

speaking of, where the hell is he?

Composing film scores. He did one for 'The Circle (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3148952/?ref_=nv_sr_2)' just last year.

EDIT: Post-NIN --


Vacancy 2: The First Cut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacancy_2:_The_First_Cut), composer (Sony Pictures, Screen Gems 2008)
The Collector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Collector_(2009_film)), composer (Liddell Entertainment, Fortress Features 2009)
For The Love of Money (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_The_Love_of_Money_(2011_film)), composer (All Cash Productions 2011)
No One Lives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Lives), composer (WWE, Pathe 2013)
Officer Down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_Down_(film)), composer (Most Films 2013)
The Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_(2014_film)), composer (Spitfire Productions 2014)* (not credited on wiki, but credited on IMDB)

[Rubeninphoenix]

I randomly have "itch in my head that's tellin me somewhere, somewhere out there anywhere I don't care get me outta here"

and "ALL THE PINS AND THE PRICKS" stuck in my head from Deep and it won't go away

speaking of, when did it first debut live?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMBztlReewg 01:03:48 for the first live performance of Deep (which actually took place here in Phoenix).

[Halo Infinity]

I've always noticed that whenever I was changing the privacy settings on Facebook and Google+, one of the settings reminded me of Only.

Facebook has "Only Me" and Google+ has "Only You". I thought that was a little neat coincidence, as I can also see how a song like Only can also apply to some of the nature that social media has to offer, or should I say, merely comes with.

However, a more common and obvious reminder of me being reminded of Nine Inch Nails whenever I'm using Facebook and social media in general would simply be Trent Reznor's involvement with The Social Network.

[telee.kom]

La Mer man.

Favorite albums might change for me, but this song will stay here forever. Nothing will convey so much emotion in a few minutes without one word.

Edit: without one word I would understand

[implanted_microchip]

without one word.

Ugh this debate just cooled down in that other thread

But joking aside La Mer and A Warm Place are some of the most emotionally powerful things from NIN ever. The AATCHB performance of La Mer is such a stunning watch.

[BRoswell]

Nothing will convey so much emotion in a few minutes without one word.

Et il est un jour arrivé
Marteler le ciel
Et marteler la mer

Et la mer avait embrassé moi
Et la délivré moi de ma caille

À rien ne peut m'arrêter maintenant

[telee.kom]

Ugh this debate just cooled down in that other thread

But joking aside La Mer and A Warm Place are some of the most emotionally powerful things from NIN ever. The AATCHB performance of La Mer is such a stunning watch.

I went through, I think, every worthwhile recording of La Mer, and this is the best for me https://soundcloud.com/yearzerolive/la-mer?in=yearzerolive/sets/the-fragile-live

[Halo Infinity]

@telee.kom (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3032) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - Speaking of La Mer, I certainly hope that the both of you also enjoyed this version as much as I did. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGOxWYYEVY

[eversonpoe]

@telee.kom (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3032) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - Speaking of La Mer, I certainly hope that the both of you also enjoyed this version as much as I did. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGOxWYYEVY

really don't understand why this didn't make it on to things falling apart. it's so gorgeous.

[implanted_microchip]

really don't understand why this didn't make it on to things falling apart. it's so gorgeous.

Seriously if the Telefon tel Aviv version of Even Deeper (one of the most fuckin' pretty sounding things from NIN ever and it's a shame it's so niche), The New Flesh remix, the untitled instrumental thing and The Fragile deconstructed mix all were on TFA it'd be the best remix release from NIN without any doubt. I put together a playlist to incorporate them and it instantly became my favorite remix collection to listen to.

[Ryan]

La Mer man.

Favorite albums might change for me, but this song will stay here forever. Nothing will convey so much emotion in a few minutes without one word.

Edit: without one word I would understand

Especially since where Trent went, he went there to kill himself and instead wrote La Mer. Then he got married there in the same place. So many feels.

[niggo]

I went through, I think, every worthwhile recording of La Mer, and this is the best for me https://soundcloud.com/yearzerolive/la-mer?in=yearzerolive/sets/the-fragile-live

Maybe you would enjoy my cover of La Mer (https://soundcloud.com/nicosanft/la-mer-nine-inch-nails-cover), which is based on that exact live version. :)

[BenAkenobi]

Especially since where Trent went, he went there to kill himself and instead wrote La Mer...

I think that "kill himself" should not be taken this literally, but as a figure of speech. Meaning maybe writing a song about killing himself (as if there weren't enough already). Artistic minds are complicated though :)

[fillow]

La Mer is one of those songs for me which I initially heard in a different way (different strong beat position), but then after hearing live version it changed in my mind completely and I can't unhear it back.
Does anyone have an idea what I'm talking about?

[blassster]

La Mer is one of those songs for me which I initially heard in a different way (different strong beat position), but then after hearing live version it changed in my mind completely and I can't unhear it back.
Does anyone have an idea what I'm talking about?

I heard it differently before too, back when I was first getting into NIN. I heard it as the four faster notes being the beginning, and the longer sustained one as being the end of the main piano loop. Didn't really pay attention to stuff like that way back then, I think

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Oh oh, I just had a funny thought. I wonder if Trent has stumbled across a lot of NIN fans when he's out to pick up some piece of vintage gear from Craigslist sellers. I'm just picturing his old emails right now:

"Sure sounds good Mark,

I'll come take a look at the Xpander at around 3pm on Sunday. Hopefully I won't be any later than that.

Trent"

And then Mark is like "Holy shit, oh it's that Trent..."

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I mean like, after he opens the door to let him in of course. What a surprise that would be eh?

[Inkë]

La Mer is one of those songs for me which I initially heard in a different way (different strong beat position), but then after hearing live version it changed in my mind completely and I can't unhear it back.
Does anyone have an idea what I'm talking about?

The intro for In Two does the same to me. Thanks to your post I added a metronome to the beginning of the song, I finally found the real beat :D

[Ryan]

Seriously if the Telefon tel Aviv version of Even Deeper (one of the most fuckin' pretty sounding things from NIN ever and it's a shame it's so niche), The New Flesh remix, the untitled instrumental thing and The Fragile deconstructed mix all were on TFA it'd be the best remix release from NIN without any doubt. I put together a playlist to incorporate them and it instantly became my favorite remix collection to listen to.

Trent probably intended to do that but suddenly got drunk and at the last minute decided it ought to comprise of 3 Starfuckers remixes all with the same title.

After all, it had to live up to its name. All those remixes does make it Fall Apart.

[BenAkenobi]

This talk got me to put those remixes on for the first time in like 5 years.
I never tried to compile an enhanced playlist, now i have tried to imagine how they would feel stuffed on a CD (worth noting that 6 extra tracks add up to just enough time for a standard CD, ~75 minutes that is).
I didn't set a bunch of criteria like they do on remix.nin.com - just an overall "satisfaction". Only 2 were kinda satisfactory enough: "La mer" and "No you don't".
They are nowhere as powerful as, say, "Slipping away" but they have a point and not just dragging around like "The fragile" (deconstructed).
"Even deeper" (TTA) is nice on its own but is too minimal and relaxed for an album + "Where is everybody" incorporates many of the same sounds.

[Millionaire]

@telee.kom (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3032) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - Speaking of La Mer, I certainly hope that the both of you also enjoyed this version as much as I did. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGOxWYYEVY
If anyone has a link to download this, I'd appreciate it.

[BRoswell]

If anyone has a link to download this, I'd appreciate it.

It's on the remix site.

[Halo Infinity]

I'm sure there has to be several other Ministry fans that have already noticed this, but it still seems to be immensely overlooked. I also overlooked it for quite some time in spite of searching for any evidence of any real conflict between Ministry and Nine Inch Nails. I was relieved to find out that there actually isn't any. Al Jourgensen actually happens to admire, love and respect Trent Reznor and never had any beefs with him at all. I'd certainly hope that another collaboration of some sort actually becomes a reality for the both of them in the hopefully not so distant future.

http://radio.com/2013/10/25/6-things-we-didnt-learn-from-al-jourgensens-memoir/

Al Jourgensen: You know what, I love Trent. I know people think we have this big feud. We don’t! It’s such bullshit. I love Trent, I would love to work with him again if he ever wants to.

@ad infinitum (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=80) @Piko (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=358) @Space Suicide (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=532) @NotoriousTIMP (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=17) @henryeatscereal (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1572) @Vic (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4930) @WorzelG (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=811) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I thought that you might've liked to see this too, as I've really stumbled upon this very late.

[Space Suicide]

I'm sure there has to be several other Ministry fans that have already noticed this, but it still seems to be immensely overlooked. I also overlooked it for quite some time in spite of searching for any evidence of any real conflict between Ministry and Nine Inch Nails. I was relieved to find out that there actually isn't any. Al Jourgensen actually happens to admire, love and respect Trent Reznor and never had any beefs with him at all. I'd certainly hope that another collaboration of some sort actually becomes a reality for the both of them in the hopefully not so distant future.

http://radio.com/2013/10/25/6-things-we-didnt-learn-from-al-jourgensens-memoir/

Al Jourgensen: You know what, I love Trent. I know people think we have this big feud. We don’t! It’s such bullshit. I love Trent, I would love to work with him again if he ever wants to.

@ad infinitum (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=80) @Piko (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=358) @Space Suicide (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=532) @NotoriousTIMP (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=17) @henryeatscereal (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1572) @Vic (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4930) @WorzelG (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=811) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I thought that you might've liked to see this too, as I've really stumbled upon this very late.

Seen it before. I'm sure if Jourgensen was clean he'd entertain the idea but Al would have to reach out first I'm sure.

[Jon]

Not sure exactly where to post this, from the RDJ soundcloud account (song is '2 Pcp 2 [unreleased Version] (https://soundcloud.com/user18081971/2-pcp-2-unreleased-version)'):

http://i57.tinypic.com/210g26o.png

That's RDJ at the bottom if you haven't kept up with the whole SoundCloud thing.

[ryanmcfly]

Well originally we were gonna put the cover of strobelight on my graduation cap, but we decided on this instead!
https://instagram.com/p/2pkjwigYrA/

[implanted_microchip]

The just ambient, washy, ocean imagery-inducing sounds at the very tale end of The Great Below and then for the entire intro of The Way Out Is Through is so much of what I love about The Fragile. There are so many parts of songs where the synths and samples and various noises and layering just feels like being stuck under ocean waves and dragged back to shore, watching water settle and ripple. It's like you get ripped out in The Great Below, then float for a while, and finally the percussion kicks in on TWOIT and it's like everything exploding and swirling and just getting lost in water before breaking the surface again.

The Fragile as a whole album makes me picture so much of the artwork, flowers and water and just this blossoming natural beauty that's somehow not quite right. Just this menacing sense of nature itself swallowing you up and being somehow malevolent. That whole tail end of Ripe (With Decay) where there's cricket sounds, it's like sitting near a swamp someplace. The Downward Spiral on the other hand has this really arid, dirty, grimy, night time desert vibe to it that the entire TDS era of NIN makes me picture. I know I really wonder sometimes how much of that kind of feeling I get from those two albums has to do with the artwork (with the Hurt video really playing into the desert imagery) that I've seen and internalized over time or if it really is just a mood the music gives off that then inspired the art. It's probably both. This feels really random and rambling but hey it's the random thread so I guess it's all good.

[WorzelG]

^^You made me realise I have to organise the Fragile as a whole playlist in my iPod, left and right are separate at the moment

[WorzelG]

I wish we had something to look forward to from either NIN or HTDA other than just this new Apple streaming launch. I just can't see how this can be good in any way, I thought the hip hop thing for the original Beats thing sounded good, but with Apple I get the impression they're looking for something super mainstream and it will be something godawful like Ed Sheeran. Or is Trent going to come on in a suit and powerpoint presentation? Every apple presentation I've seen has been really stuffy and boring, and I love my iPod and iPad, but I don't understand fanboy behaviour surrounding hardware

[Mutilated]

^Snap.

Something. Anything. The drought is killing me.

[jessamineny]

We've gotten two albums in the past two years. There is no drought.
HM: 9/13
GG: 2/14

[fillow]

We always have something to look forward to. Including right now. We just don't know it yet.

[Halo Infinity]

I'm still giving it until 2016-2018 tops.

[m15a]

I wish we had something to look forward to from either NIN or HTDA other than just this new Apple streaming launch. I just can't see how this can be good in any way, I thought the hip hop thing for the original Beats thing sounded good, but with Apple I get the impression they're looking for something super mainstream and it will be something godawful like Ed Sheeran. Or is Trent going to come on in a suit and powerpoint presentation? Every apple presentation I've seen has been really stuffy and boring, and I love my iPod and iPad, but I don't understand fanboy behaviour surrounding hardware

Hmm? Do we know something about NIN or HTDA related to an Apple launch (event)? Or is that just speculation because Trent is already involved?

If it has nothing to do with NIN or HTDA, why worry about it? I mean, you don't have to watch it just because Trent works on it. And if you feel you do, well, that's fanboy behavior I don't understand. :p

EDIT: P. S. I like Ed Sheeran. Just pointing that out since the above post sounds like the assumption is that everybody here wouldn't even though he's "super mainstream".

[WorzelG]

If it has nothing to do with NIN or HTDA, why worry about it? I mean, you don't have to watch it just because Trent works on it. And if you feel you do, well, that's fanboy behavior I don't understand. :p
Fangirl behaviour that would be, when I was little I had unruly blond hair that I hated to brush, so my family have called me variations of the tv scarecrow Worzel Gummidge ever since!

I know I don't have to watch it, but I think I would be too tempted. Also it's not like I WANT it to fail. I just think this whole thing, beats v tidal smacks of some ridiculous Jay Z vs Dre & iovine stream-off that's all about one-up-man-ship, Jay Z getting jealous that Dre was the first rapper billionaire and buying Tidal to compete and everyone is getting suckered into this big competitive thing, even though TR always said his big fight in the music industry was preserving art over commerce.

Ed Sheerans Thinking Out Loud is haunting me everywhere and I think it is one of the blandest shittiest lyrics songs I have ever heard, just don't get me started. If you want to lay your head on his beating heart under the light of a thousand stars knock yourself out, liking songs works in mysterious ways. :)

[m15a]

Ed Sheerans Thinking Out Loud is haunting me everywhere and I think it is one of the blandest shittiest lyrics songs I have ever heard, just don't get me started.

Heh. That was basically what my girlfriend said when I played Ed Sheeran once . . . I don't play it when she's around anymore. ;)

[MrSlfDstruct]

I'm getting probably too optimistic that maybe Trent will be involved in the keynote at Apple's event next month. But, they like to have musicians take part in their events, and Trent is a fairly articulate dude, so it'd be cool if he was the one to introduce the new music service.

[WorzelG]

So Jean Michel Jarre is starting to release bits from his new album, hope Trent is still in this

http://pitchfork.com/news/59597-jean-michel-jarre-teams-with-m83-on-glory/

[SarahConnor]

Reznor's stage presence is also a bit of a downer. He's like a postmodernism professor, cool, but not for selling anything.

[WorzelG]

Reznor's stage presence is also a bit of a downer. He's like a postmodernism professor, cool, but not for selling anything.
He's like the anti-Kanye - well we made this streaming service but it might fail

[m15a]

Reznor's stage presence is also a bit of a downer. He's like a postmodernism professor, cool, but not for selling anything.

My guess is that if Trent is a part of the presentation at all, rather than have Trent explain anything, it'd be Apple trying to say "Hey, we're cool!" ("We have a 50-year-old rock guy working with us! . . . Remember the fuck you like an animal song? We got that guy!")

If that's true, it seems more likely that they'd have Trent in a pre-made video. Maybe just a short interview among a bunch of others ("This is great for artists blah blah") or a short montage (Trent in the studio, Trent talking to other music people, Trent breaking out Emacs to work on a Perl script).

[nooneimportant]

Kanye West's recent live performance seems familiar...

http://i.imgur.com/xw8fglX.jpg

[Halo Infinity]

It would be interesting to see Trent's current opinion on performing Head Like A Hole live, or just to see him perform it, especially after what he said. I wondered if he changed his mind, as I've always had my doubts of him wanting to stop performing it altogether by the time he turned 50 as I have a feeling that he partially said that in jest.

And well, I just wish him a very happy 50th birthday. :)

[kel]

happy 50th birthday, reznor.

oh, and happy 56th birthday to my husband too, i guess.

[blassster]

My Bluetooth speaker just got low on battery, and the indicator flashes every few seconds. It comes on and goes very quickly, pretty much like how Charlie Clouser's eyes quickly become reptilian in the AATCHB Reptile(?) performance. So when it happened, I was reminded of this and just said "fucking Charlie Clouser" to myself.

[Mutilated]

We've gotten two albums in the past two years. There is no drought.
HM: 9/13
GG: 2/14

Drought of information. There is a drought. If I was talking about a drought of NIN albums, GG wouldn't fit that bill.

Anyway, belated happy birthday Trent!!

[cahernandez]

A bunch of rockers wish Trent a happy 50th birthday: http://www.alternativenation.net/scott-weiland-slash-trent-reznor-50th-birthday/

I liked the In Flames dude comment: "I wish I could be a fly in the wall in his studio". Corey Taylor was great as well "you all need to go pick up Broken".

[Frozen Beach]

What ever happened to NotinCnStopMeNow? I miss his mega awesome compilations.

[telee.kom]

Browsing NIN multitracks it just occurred to me how fucking great is synth in March Of The Pigs


https://youtu.be/keUw5-JVfNA

[nooneimportant]

I really love how almost every performance of March of The Pigs has Trent doing Tiger Woods style fist pump as he yells "SHOVE IT UP INSIDE! SURPRISE!"

[howdidislipinto]

The Peter Gabriel Growing Up remix is super underrated.

[Inkë]

I guess we both subscribed to the same channel : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgUfas3B0FuNq0xTZ3kf8VA :p

[fillow]

Nathalie Neal by Swans reminds me very much of Eraser by NIN. Does anyone else hear this?

[The_Prowler]

I really wish I could go back in time and see Trent in his younger days completely lose his shit onstage and just wreck everything that wasn't nailed down. Sure, he was still pretty active when I saw him in 05, but nowhere near what he was like in the 90s and Fragility tour in 2000.

Then again, if I had a T.A.R.D.I.S., I'd go see them at least twice on every tour. I'm sill very upset that I missed the Lights in the Sky, NIN/JA and Wave Goodbye tours. And I'd love to go back and see the Fragility tour because I still think that was one of the best lineups he ever had (Jerome is still my favorite NIN drummer hands down).

[wizfan]

I had stopped listening to The Fragile album for almost four years in hopes of finally re-living it via the Deluxe Edition. However, after the new version of The Wretched on the Batman: Arkham Knight commercial, I decided to give it another full listen yesterday. It has aged well, and remains as ambitious and full of beautiful sounds as it used to be. Now that I'm kinda more experienced with music making, I now spotted several spots where Trent sang off-key that now stuck out to me (I used to not mind them at all), but that was a minor complaint. I loved revisiting all those great tracks that blew me away the first time I heard them (nine years ago). I also gave Still a full spin, and, man, I'm still amazed by how well-mixed it is.

[Halo Infinity]

I know this was addressed numerous times before, but I've always found it interesting as I never agreed with the critique that the depression and anger in Nine Inch Nails songs and lyrics are simply reserved for teenagers, or that they simply deserved to be labeled as teenage angst.

For instance, I can see how songs like Hurt and Every Day Is Exactly The Same can be extremely relatable to some people of advanced age in nursing/retirement homes or just the elderly in general, especially when I was reminded of Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt. Should I also live that long, I can somehow see myself playing those songs a lot more if I were to reach that age too, but I'm also just speaking for myself.

I can also very-well understand why getting married and having children wouldn't cause him to run out of material either, for some reasons far more obvious than others. I know it doesn't really happen here, but whenever I looked up Nine Inch Nails outside of Echoing the Sound, I'm still bound to see comments stating that Trent Reznor won't really have anything to write about since he's all happily married with children as they crave for more albums just like The Downward Spiral.

[Dr Channard]

I know this was addressed numerous times before, but I've always found it interesting as I never agreed with the critique that the depression and anger in Nine Inch Nails songs and lyrics are simply reserved for teenagers, or that they simply deserved to be labeled as teenage angst.

For instance, I can see how songs like Hurt and Every Day Is Exactly The Same can be extremely relatable to some people of advanced age in nursing/retirement homes or just the elderly in general, especially when I was reminded of Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt. Should I also live that long, I can somehow see myself playing those songs a lot more if I were to reach that age too, but I'm also just speaking for myself.

I can also very-well understand why getting married and having children wouldn't cause him to run out of material either, for some reasons far more obvious than others. I know it doesn't really happen here, but whenever I looked up Nine Inch Nails outside of Echoing the Sound, I'm still bound to see comments stating that Trent Reznor won't really have anything to write about since he's all happily married with children as they crave for more albums just like The Downward Spiral.

I agree that there are people of all ages that could connect with the themes found in nin music. But nin is not for everyone, and I can understand why many people may not “get it,” and from a surface glance dismiss it as something adolescent. It would be interesting to see what the average age is of all the nin fans out there, I’m 33 myself.

[otnavuskire]

Looks like U2 borrowed some ideas from NIN for their latest tour visuals.
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10690095_10100391364953860_279884982993168529_n.jp g?oh=be7dbe73a89c5efbdae4cfde3764ff66&oe=55ECCD48

[WorzelG]

^^^
i always get the impression that NIN is used as a bit of a testing ground for a lot of the visual technology etc used by Roy Bennett and Moment Factory, and then those techniques are used by other acts, which is fair enough I think. I think TR is prepared to take risks with things fucking up that more mainstream acts aren't.

[Khrz]

I'm no fan of U2, but it's not like they've ever been afraid to test new technnologies in order to bring the best spectacle they could...

[WorzelG]

^^^yeah I saw them on the Popmart tour late 90s I think

[nineinchnerd]

Looks like U2 borrowed some ideas from NIN for their latest tour visuals.
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10690095_10100391364953860_279884982993168529_n.jp g?oh=be7dbe73a89c5efbdae4cfde3764ff66&oe=55ECCD48

I saw some of that footage. It's basically two screens with a bridge between them where a performer can walk through. They can basically make it look like the performer is part of the image on screen. It's pretty cool.

[nooneimportant]

^^^
i always get the impression that NIN is used as a bit of a testing ground for a lot of the visual technology etc used by Roy Bennett and Moment Factory, and then those techniques are used by other acts, which is fair enough I think. I think TR is prepared to take risks with things fucking up that more mainstream acts aren't.

Ever since Tension, I've been seeing those MagicPanel lights in stuff, most recently when I was at Wrestlemania 31, where they were all on the stage and hanging above the ring.

[nineinchnerd]

Does anybody know if those articulating screens that NIN employed on the last tour were used by any other bands? Or is NIN the only one?

[telee.kom]

I was browsing through Trent's Instagram the other day and it's eight months now (https://instagram.com/p/uMqsShzPfJ/?taken-by=treznor) since Trent get off the tour and share something from the studio. So it might be eight months Trent is cooking up something new. And we still haven't heard a thing. I'm getting impatient now. I wonder if he just wanted to share a new toy of his, or if he really started to work or something new and maybe scratch that, or if he's working on it still. I know a few months is nothing in terms of NIN, but I did hear him say that he is working on new NIN last year, so I had my hopes up. Just a quick word from him regarding his new project would be the only thing I need right now

[Krazy]

Ever since Tension, I've been seeing those MagicPanel lights in stuff, most recently when I was at Wrestlemania 31, where they were all on the stage and hanging above the ring.

Me and the GF went out one Sunday evening for some drinks about a month ago and they had some country awards show on NBC or Fox or something. I think it was Lady Antabellum(sp?) or some other crappy version of country Nickelback on stage. The conversation went something like this:

GF: "Why are you watching the country music awards?"

Me: "See those cubed lights rigged on the stage? NIN used them in a similar way back for their 2013 arena tour..."

GF: :/

[BRoswell]

I had a thought today: was 2007 the year of Trent fully embracing hip-hop and bringing its influences into his work? You had Saul Williams' "The Inevitable Rise and Liberation Of NiggyTardust!", his and Atticus' guest appearance on El-P's "Flyentology", and some possibly hip-hop inspired beats on Year Zero. While he had admitted in the past that he was a fan of hip-hop music, it's interesting to me that, in that one year, hip-hop seemed to influence his work more than in other eras.

[butter_hole]

I'm no fan of U2, but it's not like they've ever been afraid to test new technnologies in order to bring the best spectacle they could...
like the iPhone 6

[hobochic]

I saw some of that footage. It's basically two screens with a bridge between them where a performer can walk through. They can basically make it look like the performer is part of the image on screen. It's pretty cool.

And now leave it to Bono/U2 to get awarded for being a "groundbreaking" live act.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I've had a very interesting thought on NIN ever since I heard HM. What came to my mind was different "breeds" of Nine Inch Nails. Here's what I mean. I think a lot of us can agree that Hesitation Marks has a very particular, perhaps fresh sound to it. That album had put me in a fantasy land often when I was first listening to it, especially the very abstract and almost ethereal kind of songs like In Two, All Time Low, and Running. Every NIN album has a particular "sound" to it, and after what I've heard, I can really imagine some wild "breeds" of NIN where the sound theme's are just out of this world. Like honestly, if any of you guys are familar with Japanese anime, some of the songs for those TV shows are just like, super fast tempo, high energy, and wild and weird, and a bit dated too haha. But just for fun, I can totally imagine and fantasize a futuristic NIN where Trent is basing his music off of that and making this really crazy, super SCI-FI, high energy anime kind of music.

So far, to my ears, I consider How to Destroy Angels to be pretty much like another breed of NIN. HTDA reminds me of NIN, but just with a totally different theme and sound to it you know? And more people involved and different subject matter and such.

With this, I can imagine more "breeds" of NIN. Like some weird ass romantic period stuff, anything really. Oh yeah, and that song Everything, I mean that was Trent's take on New Order and Joy Division and Fear so I can see him pulling off a lot of weird styles of music.

Anyway so check this out if you're curious to see what I just started thinking about.
When I watched this, I was just fantasizing Trent Reznor's version of this kind of music. I imagine it would sound very similar, except he'd cut out the cheese and make it less dated and more sophisticated.

By the way, skip to 1:17 and click "watch on youtube", this shit gets crazier the more you listen to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6oPSfrDqw

[WorzelG]

My new favourite version of Eraser from the Dissonance tour. I love the Sanctified version as well.
https://youtu.be/JYOqevxOBcE

[implanted_microchip]

This is my first time going from seeing NIN a lot to experiencing tour drought and damn, how'd you people survive the gap between Fragility and With Teeth and the Wave Goodbye and Tension tours? It's been less than a year since I last saw NIN and I'm already experiencing withdrawal here.

[pinata89]

My new favourite version of Eraser from the Dissonance tour. I love the Sanctified version as well.
https://youtu.be/JYOqevxOBcE

Yeah, I luckily own the boot with David Bowie. The sound quality is fantastic for it's time.

[Halo Infinity]

@kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - I only went through 3 NIN concerts, and they were all 4 years apart in 2005, 2009 and 2013, but I still see what you mean, because even the gap between 2008-2013 was nothing like the gap between 1999-2005, and at least NIN had a whole lot going on from 2005-2009, not to mention HTDA afterwards. I only partially experienced the gap between The Fragile and With Teeth though, since I only became a fan in late 2002. I still remember checking NIN.com almost at a daily basis to see it get uncovered until it transformed to what looked like the Closure font, and soon the With Teeth font/design, as well as constantly lurking around The NIN Hotline and ETS searching for any updates that I could possibly find.

I was also impressed and amused with what Meathead was able to come up with in spite of the lack of NIN news as well. It was funny to see him basically pleading for Trent Reznor to do something. I think Meathead made a parody of NIN.com changing in appearance if I'm not mistaken. I just can't seem to find it right now.

When September 21, 2004 came to be, I was very anxious wondering when the next album would be released, and if it was going to be delayed for a while. When something takes a while to be to be released, I tend to be very skeptical until I can actually locate it at retailers or Amazon.com.

It really does make me wonder though, especially for the fans that have waited from 1994-2005. I'd still imagine that certainly would've had to be quite the ride as a fan.

[Khrz]

Remixes. Tons and tons of remixes, and a whole lot of listening to The Perfect Drug and Burn on repeat for a few years, that's what it was.
Oh, and only having roughly one hour and a half of original music to get back to because I didn't like PHM.
1999-2005 ? HAH. That part was easy... :p

[WorzelG]

This is my first time going from seeing NIN a lot to experiencing tour drought and damn, how'd you people survive the gap between Fragility and With Teeth and the Wave Goodbye and Tension tours? It's been less than a year since I last saw NIN and I'm already experiencing withdrawal here.
I think social media makes gaps worse, I really didn't get involved in any of that aspect until Trent was prolific anyway around 2007. But yes I'm feeling the same as you even though I coped perfectly well with all the earlier gaps as I've been a fan since 1992. It seemed par for the course then

[implanted_microchip]

I think social media makes gaps worse

Oh I definitely hate the way that Instagram and twitter makes more or less the smallest of things a huge deal. Trent posts a pic of some knobs and synths? Totally has to be something. Trent's on a plane? Totally collecting samples for a new album. It makes it very easy to get impatient and allows for a ton of over-analyzing, I can see why Trent stopped being even close to as active on twitter as he used to be.

Really though I just want to see Reptile again and get bathed in sickly green light. NIN as my first concert really did spoil me because nothing else comes near it.

[Khrz]

But yes I'm feeling the same as you even though I coped perfectly well with all the earlier gaps as I've been a fan since 1992. It seemed par for the course then

It's true that before 2007, each NIN release was accompanied with the thought of "sweet, thanks, see you in six years yeah ?". Then he started delivering projects and collabs and records and soundtracks at random, completely and irremediably ruined my NIN zen pattern...

[WorzelG]

It's true that before 2007, each NIN release was accompanied with the thought of "sweet, thanks, see you in six years yeah ?". Then he started delivering projects and collabs and records and soundtracks at random, completely and irremediably ruined my NIN zen pattern...
Exactly, not to mention randomly disbanding the band, now I really don't know what to expect

[seasonsinthesky]

you can't disband a "band" made of one person! he halted the live aspect only. the "Wave Goodbye" was to touring.

[nineinchnerd]

I was wondering what Mark Romanek and Trent could be working on after Romanek let slip, via Periscope, that they are indeed working on something right now.

Then I just read this concerning the Apple streaming service:

As for implementation, sources said the subscription service is to be bundled with a new Music app that also includes music downloads and a revamped iTunes Radio. Elaborating on rumors of exclusive content offerings, the report claims Apple hired professionals to produce behind-the-scenes videos for high-profile musicians. Artists can share these videos, as well as other media, through a built-in social networking (http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/05/13/apples-rumored-streaming-music-service-to-tout-social-network-for-artists-report-says)feature called Apple Connect.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/06/04/apple-record-labels-negotiating-last-minute-streaming-terms-days-before-wwdc-2015

I wonder if this is what Romanek is doing for Trent. Interesting indeed...

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

I had stopped listening to The Fragile album for almost four years in hopes of finally re-living it via the Deluxe Edition. However, after the new version of The Wretched on the Batman: Arkham Knight commercial, I decided to give it another full listen yesterday. It has aged well, and remains as ambitious and full of beautiful sounds as it used to be. Now that I'm kinda more experienced with music making, I now spotted several spots where Trent sang off-key that now stuck out to me (I used to not mind them at all), but that was a minor complaint. I loved revisiting all those great tracks that blew me away the first time I heard them (nine years ago). I also gave Still a full spin, and, man, I'm still amazed by how well-mixed it is.

Sang out of key eh? Very curious where those spots are... You sure they're not just passing notes? i.e. notes that sound okay when moving by but are not technically in key. I learned about those in audio engineering school but I can't remember exactly how they're defined.

[nineinchnerd]

It's now officially been over 2 years since the announcement of Hesitation Marks. Just a sad random NIN thought. :(

[sheepdean]

It's now officially been over 2 years since the announcement of Hesitation Marks. Just a sad random NIN thought. :(
It's been over 6 years since the announcement of the fragile deluxe. And over a decade since the announcement of with teeth deluxe! At least we got HM :P

Though, unless there's a secret score coming up, this could be the first year without new Trent material since the 80s

[nineinchnerd]

It's been over 6 years since the announcement of the fragile deluxe. And over a decade since the announcement of with teeth deluxe! At least we got HM :P

Though, unless there's a secret score coming up, this could be the first year without new Trent material since the 80s

I feel this is going to be the longest gap since the post-fragile/pre-with teeth era.

[sheepdean]

I feel this is going to be the longest gap since the post-fragile/pre-with teeth era.
There was only a 100 days' bigger gap than Slip/HM

[nineinchnerd]

This is by far my favorite live version of Down In It:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkphW38WyYo

I would kill to see an updated live version of this song on the next tour (hopefully).

[MrSlfDstruct]

So, it looks like Apple's new music service is going to have various "connect" features so that artists can post videos, photos, lyrics, etc. I'm betting we'll see something from Trent similar to the Hesitation Marks Remix EP that was exclusive to Beats.

[sweeterthan]

I want a video!

[sheepdean]

So, it looks like Apple's new music service is going to have various "connect" features so that artists can post videos, photos, lyrics, etc. I'm betting we'll see something from Trent similar to the Hesitation Marks Remix EP that was exclusive to Beats.
sigh

This apple thing is literally http://www.nin.com/strobelight/

[MrSlfDstruct]

sigh

This apple thing is literally http://www.nin.com/strobelight/
I'm not saying anything that in depth (the HM remix EP). It looks like it's more meant to share behind the scenes type stuff, rehearsals, etc.

[sheepdean]

I'm not saying anything that in depth (the HM remix EP). It looks like it's more meant to share behind the scenes type stuff, rehearsals, etc.
I thought closing down the spiral was the end of premium BTS content?

The service is "we know what you want to listen to better than you do" with heavy format exclusivity thrown in. Just feels crappy.

[nineinchnerd]

sigh

This apple thing is literally http://www.nin.com/strobelight/

Hahahahahaha

[WorzelG]

I thought closing down the spiral was the end of premium BTS content?

The service is "we know what you want to listen to better than you do" with heavy format exclusivity thrown in. Just feels crappy.
He's already gone that route, even with the last album the In Conversation With was an iTunes exclusive if I remember rightly, I just got it by other means, doesn't bother me really

[sick among the pure]

I thought closing down the spiral was the end of premium BTS content?

The service is "we know what you want to listen to better than you do" with heavy format exclusivity thrown in. Just feels crappy.

He closed The Spiral because he didn't like the idea of it making some fans feel elite or more entitled because they paid for a fan club membership. To an extent, I agree, but I do miss The Hole, pre-show chats, and how much more active and interactive the band was at the time. None of which were the reason I paid for the membership, I just wanted the early entrance (which you get through current day pre-sales) and the chance of a meet and greet and soundcheck, which I never got but that's ok.

If Trent puts exclusive media on a paid service, I can imagine someone would put it elsewhere, maybe even Seed 0.

[gorast]

It's not like he's going to release an entire album through this new service. I think it's smart for Trent to involve himself in things outside of directly making music, because it gives him a future if he ever decides that this isn't what he wants to do any more.

If a remix EP or whatever is posted to Apple Music when it launches, you can bet your ass that it'll be all over the Internet by the end of the day, so who cares? I remember when that live EP from 2013 was exclusive to Spotify for all of five minutes before links were passed out here like candy.

[Wolfkiller]

High. Has anyone figured out what the back masking in the Quake soundtrack says? Track 3. Sounds like Marilyn Manson.

[Khrz]

High. Has anyone figured out what the back masking in the Quake soundtrack says? Track 3. Sounds like Marilyn Manson.

Blablah confused dates and events, subsequent edit : my bad, I'm full of shit.

[Wolfkiller]

Blablah confused dates and events, subsequent edit : my bad, I'm full of shit.

Dude that's not funny you know I'm high and scared!

[Khrz]

Dude that's not funny you know I'm high and scared!

I was merely saying that I was finding it unlikely due to their relationship at the time, because I was convinced that Quake was from 98, and not 96.

hush, hush, it's okay, close your eyes, everything's gonna be alright...

Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur,happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr...

[sheepdean]

High. Has anyone figured out what the back masking in the Quake soundtrack says? Track 3. Sounds like Marilyn Manson.
Dude we don't even know the real names of the tracks


Related: iD, Trent, Interscope, fucking someone: release the goddamn soundtrack as a standalone already

[botley]

He's already gone that [Apple-exclusive] route, even with the last album the In Conversation With was an iTunes exclusive if I remember rightly, I just got it by other means, doesn't bother me really
No, it was also available bundled with the Deluxe Edition on HDTracks.

[BRoswell]

High. Has anyone figured out what the back masking in the Quake soundtrack says? Track 3. Sounds like Marilyn Manson.

I don't know everything that's being said, but I do know that he says "too much cash" at one point. (That's not a joke, by the way. :p)

[nineinchnerd]

At the beginning of Tim Cook's introduction of Weeknd's closing performance, who thought it was going to be Trent doing some sort of performance? I was naively hoping it was true at that point and even half expected it. Even when he said "new artist", I was still hopeful it was Trent ("new" means reborn, right????). I'm such a moron.

[blassster]

I was emptying the dishwasher and for some reason I whispered "teitan" to myself

[m15a]

There is plenty of NIN music that is exclusive in some way - exclusive to a certain format (e.g., The Fragile tracks on vinyl vs CD vs tape) or exclusive to certain countries (e.g., Japanese bonus tracks, different singles in different countries) or different sellers (e.g., HM audiophile edition on nin.com) or to deluxe editions (e.g., Ghosts 37 and 38). And nearly all NIN is "premium" in the sense that you can only have it for more money - more than free.

Personally, I probably won't be interested in getting this service. But I wasn't interested in buying The Crow soundtrack or $300 deluxe Ghosts or Closer-Os either.

Edit: that's all just a personal perspective as a NIN fan. The broader industry or artistic criticisms are a completely separate thing.

[blassster]

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KVZEZMI

[BenAkenobi]

... But I wasn't interested in buying The Crow soundtrack or $300 deluxe Ghosts or Closer-Os either...

What's "Closer-Os"?

[nineinchnerd]

What's "Closer-Os"?

A delicious NIN cereal.

[tony.parente]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kgxBWXIlNH0
So I have no idea where to put this but um...is this a rip of or an homage?

[Khrz]

Holy shit on an altar...

[fillow]

Maybe they thought you can rip the song if it's from free album

edit: oh my god

"And so it is with great pride and excitement that I would like to announce I have returned to playing music in a band format, and that this band is (still) called VICE VEGA.

There's just one catch: I am alone in this musical endeavor. Just like Bryce Avary with The Rocket Summer or Trent Reznor with Nine Inch Nails, I have decided to travel this portion of my musical journey alone.

And so, I present to you the first single from my upcoming EP. The song is called "Paranoid" and I wrote, performed, engineered, produced, and mixed it by myself. If you hate it, you have no one to blame but me. But if you like it, I invite you to join me on this journey. It's certain to be interesting, at the very least."

[tony.parente]

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/530af6a7e4b0b726cf11ffb1/t/55772afbe4b01cfa9f81e570/1433873163459/?format=500w
http://i.imgur.com/3vpFTMG.jpg
In fact they rip off a WHOLE bunch of stuff.

Viceve.ga

[nineinchnerd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kgxBWXIlNH0
So I have no idea where to put this but um...is this a rip of or an homage?

Crap. Now Trent's going to be busy with Apple AND suing 'Vice Vega.' lol

[billpulsipher]

speaking of loser piece of shit bands who rip off NIN...behold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrqV736HAWM

[Frolick Shiawase]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kgxBWXIlNH0
So I have no idea where to put this but um...is this a rip of or an homage?
Could not hear the whole song without cringing horribly from the "omf guise dis is my original kontent who is dis fkn trent resnor?"
Then again, I think The Slip is under Creative Commons
But then again then again, that drumline is Only's, not only Discipline.

I don't want to give this too much exposure, tho... This ripping off makes me puke a little.

[nineinchnerd]

Could not hear the whole song without cringing horribly from the "omf guise dis is my original kontent who is dis fkn trent resnor?"
Then again, I think The Slip is under Creative Commons
But then again then again, that drumline is Only's, not only Discipline.

I don't want to give this too much exposure, tho... This ripping off makes me puke a little.

The dweeb even copied the little stutter at the beginning. Jesus.

[WorzelG]

^^^i've not listened to this but the drums to Discipline and Only are quite basic aren't they?

[Frolick Shiawase]

The dweeb even copied the little stutter at the beginning. Jesus.
That's the first thing that got me screaming "AW HELL NAW" at the screen repeatedly.

[Frolick Shiawase]

^^^i've not listened to this but the drums to Discipline and Only are quite basic aren't they?
They are basic, but the problem is that it's not only the drums.
Lyrically, it's almost the same.
The vocal delivery... It has the echoes, the stutter at the beginning... The stutter...
And it even has the same bass and guitar sound, as if it was ripped from the multitracks instead of played by these guys.

Believe me, it's horrible.

[nineinchnerd]

^^^i've not listened to this but the drums to Discipline and Only are quite basic aren't they?

Wait till you listen to it. It's the most blatant ripoff I've ever listened to. Probably even worse than godsmack.

[WorzelG]

Wait till you listen to it. It's the most blatant ripoff I've ever listened to. Probably even worse than godsmack.
OK well I'm definitely not listening to it then, its just giving this guy views

[Frolick Shiawase]

OK well I'm definitely not listening to it then, its just giving this guy views
Best thing to do.

[implanted_microchip]

Fixed is the weirdest, most confusing thing and Screaming Slave still fascinates and terrifies me.

[BRoswell]

The local PBS Explore channel has been playing the Austin City Limits episode every night this weekend. It's nice to see them playing it, especially since they didn't air it when it first premiered.

[jubilee]

Fixed is the weirdest, most confusing thing and Screaming Slave still fascinates and terrifies me.

The whole album is very unusual to say the least. When I first listened to it I wasn't sure whether I hated it or loved it. After two days of listening to it (on shuffle) I decided it was brilliant, it's now the most played of the remix albums. It's like its in its own genre altogether.

[ChipRock]

Okay, so I'm getting a little itchy now. It's been just over a year since the London O2 show, and over two years since Came Back Haunted was released. I'm a fan since way back so I know all about the gaps, but things seem different since the 'break up' of 2009. Hesitation Marks was for me quite a surprise, and a very pleasant one at that. We understand that new NIN material is being worked on, but I can't help think that we won't see a full album from them again, let alone a tour such as we saw through 2013-14. This makes me think about the delayed Tension video and Fragile reissue, not to mention the Greatest Hits album. So.. random NIN thoughts... A nice double DVD/BD of Tension and Europe 2014 live shows (hopefully including an audio download at least) will come out for the Xmas period. Perfect gift for all the family. The in the new year we'll get confirmation of new material. Maybe a full album, but I'm guessing on something a little different - either an EP or something leftfield like Ghosts again. That will be the final Nine Inch Nails record before Trent retires the band for good. Then we'll get a small tour scheduled for the Summer, the big cities, maybe a few festivals. Following all that, into autumn maybe, a repeat of the Wave Goodbye shows 'for real' this time, and this will tie in with a big Greatest Hits push from the label which will appeal to all the Mums and Dads who only just remembered they liked NIN back in college. Only then will Trent give in and release the Fragile deluxe version, which has been sitting on a shelf for years just to annoy everyone. Yeah, he looks at all the crates in his garage every now and then and laughs maniacally to himself. The bastard.

[sheepdean]

I can't see him retiring fully, he went through a hell of a lot to come back after TF, and still had enough after the scores and HTDA to make HM. He may stop touring for a long time for the kids though, which I'm fine with.

[Vertigo]

Nine Inch Nails is basically Trent's alter ego/stage name, I think it'll die when he does (or if he miraculously loses the desire to write and sing). Though I imagine there'll come a point beyond which you shouldn't expect to hear Trent telling you from the stage about the vigorousness with which he wants to fuck you, or how many years he's on his way to hell.

[Substance242]

NIИ Live Archive retweeted:


Atticus Ross' success is a bad business model: On 'Love & Mercy,' Trent Reznor


http://www.hitfix.com/immaculate-noise/atticus-ross-success-is-a-bad-business-model-on-love-mercy-trent-reznor


AR: "We are working together on something coming out. We’re not actually talking about it."

[sheepdean]

NIИ Live Archive retweeted:


Atticus Ross' success is a bad business model: On 'Love & Mercy,' Trent Reznor


http://www.hitfix.com/immaculate-noise/atticus-ross-success-is-a-bad-business-model-on-love-mercy-trent-reznor


AR: "We are working together on something coming out. We’re not actually talking about it."
That twitter account he retweeted sure does look good. Following it would be awesome. Hint hint.

[nineinchnerd]

FINALLY some NEW music from one of the NIN members:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/18/nine-inch-nails-alessandro-cortini-La-Sveglia

This is a fantastic track!

[sheepdean]

FINALLY some NEW music from one of the NIN members:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/18/nine-inch-nails-alessandro-cortini-La-Sveglia

This is a fantastic track!
I think you've been out the loop, he's been pumping albums out, not to mention The New Regime (Ilan) having an album out last March, Atticus' scores and The Black Queen (which has Josh Eustis and I think JMJ produced).

Now where the fuck is Robin's album

[eversonpoe]

my friend/bandmate asked me to make him a NIN mix, as he's only ever heard closer, terrible lie, head like a hole, and the hand that feeds.

so, i tried to balance it between my favorites and things i think he'd like, and came up with this:

"nothing quite like the feel of something new"

all the love in the world
into the void
sanctified (live 2013 version)
i would for you
la mer
me, i'm not
all time low
even deeper
and all that could have been
eraser
suck
the only time
copy of a
8 ghosts I
love is not enough
the perfect drug (extended ending version from the WITT single)

i think he's gonna like it!

[fillow]

^^
Too few heavy songs, to accurately represent NIN catalog. Throw in Reptile or something

[nineinchnerd]

I think you've been out the loop, he's been pumping albums out, not to mention The New Regime (Ilan) having an album out last March, Atticus' scores and The Black Queen (which has Josh Eustis and I think JMJ produced).

Now where the fuck is Robin's album

Sorry. I guess I just get carried away any time Alessandro releases something new. In my opinion, his stuff is closest to actual NIN material, since it's so electronic and atmospheric.

[eversonpoe]

^^
Too few heavy songs, to accurately represent NIN catalog. Throw in Reptile or something

well, that was kind of the point. my friend doesn't listen to ANY heavy music. it wasn't meant to represent the whole of what NIN could be, but act as an entry point for him to get into trent's music. if he likes it, i'll make him a second mix that's on the heavier side.

[sheepdean]

well, that was kind of the point. my friend doesn't listen to ANY heavy music. it wasn't meant to represent the whole of what NIN could be, but act as an entry point for him to get into trent's music. if he likes it, i'll make him a second mix that's on the heavier side.
psst http://www.nin.wiki/The_Definitive_NIN_-_Quiet_Tracks

[eversonpoe]

psst http://www.nin.wiki/The_Definitive_NIN_-_Quiet_Tracks

haha i know. i wanted to curate something that was geared more intently toward his taste. that is a really fantastic collection, though.

[nineinchnerd]

http://www.businessinsider.com/independent-labels-refuse-apple-music-deal-because-of-three-month-free-trial-2015-6

Oh boy... Wonder what Trent thinks of this debacle.

[Khrz]

I hope he doesn't disagree... I mean, his albums are "10$ or go fuck yourself", if I remember correctly...

[WorzelG]

http://www.businessinsider.com/independent-labels-refuse-apple-music-deal-because-of-three-month-free-trial-2015-6

Oh boy... Wonder what Trent thinks of this debacle.
That threat to remove someone's stuff from iTunes turned out to be bollocks though, consequence of sound updated their story,
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/06/report-apple-threatens-to-remove-bands-music-from-itunes-if-they-dont-agree-to-new-royalty-policy/
They'd be pretty stupid to threaten that to as big a loud mouth as Anton Newcombe !

Anyway, hope they relent and at least offer as much as the Spotify Ad rates

[telee.kom]

Aaand here's another reason why I don't like Apple.

It would be really interesting to know Trent's stance on this. Because I'm pretty sure Trent from 7 years ago wouldn't have very kind words for them if they would try this shit on him. Now it is more complicated I imagine

[WorzelG]

^^^I think it's quite a big gamble people have to take to weigh up if you think the service will take off and make the three months loss worthwhile! Also people could sign up for the free trial anytime so its not like its just a window of July -October that you could keep any new releases off it. I certainly wouldn't want to release a new album and have it be free streamed on there. (But you could certainly use the connect thing and release other stuff and videos to promote a new release to buy on iTunes).

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

God dammit. "Discipline" is so fucking good. I haven't listened to The Slip for like, two years. And I don't mean it's one of the best, most profound NIN songs or anything, but holy shit - it is a jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ZMKfFHU3U

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Not fucking caring to admitting that 'Maybe Just Once' means way more to me in life than it reasonably should

[GibbonBlack]

Not fucking caring to admitting that 'Maybe Just Once' means way more to me in life than it reasonably should

That song means a lot to me too

[sheepdean]

That song means a lot to me too
Fuck TF DE, give us purest feeling mastered (I'd say remastered but, you know, that would imply some mastering had happened to begin with)

[Dr Channard]

God dammit. "Discipline" is so fucking good. I haven't listened to The Slip for like, two years. And I don't mean it's one of the best, most profound NIN songs or anything, but holy shit - it is a jam.

Overall, The Slip was a genuinely cool thing for Trent to do for the fans. It wasn’t the best nin studio album or anything, but there were some gems on it. Plus a number of its tracks translated fantastically in the live incarnation, which was also true with the Ghosts tracks. But I listen to The Slip and get the impression that this guy can hit the studio and bang out a solid album with about the same amount of effort that I would put into going to the fridge to slap together a turkey sandwich. Amazing.

[tony.parente]

But I listen to The Slip and get the impression that this guy can hit the studio and bang out a solid album with about the same amount of effort that I would put into going to the fridge to slap together a turkey sandwich. Amazing.

You're absolutely right, 100%
But then the guy released HM and did that weird tour cycle behind it.

Homie is weird man.

[Ryan]

You're absolutely right, 100%
But then the guy released HM and did that weird tour cycle behind it.

Homie is weird man.

I will shove my big toe in your butthole for these HM comments.

[BRoswell]

...and did that weird tour cycle behind it.

It was weird in the same way that the previous tours were weird, which is to say that it wasn't weird at all.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

I personally quite fucking love Hesitation Marks. I was in a dark place when that album was released. It sailed me to shore, so to speak

[nineinchnerd]

I personally quite fucking love Hesitation Marks. I was in a dark place when that album was released. It sailed me to shore, so to speak

I echo that sentiment.

[telee.kom]

Does anyone else have a feeling that Apple backing out of that 3 months without pay deal (http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/21/apple-music-free-trial/) was a little bit too easy? Like I get that Taylor Swift is really popular and all, but is it really all that it takes to write one letter and Apple suddenly changes all their marketing strategy? Like that maybe it wasn't beef between Swift and Apple at all, but it was just a PR stunt for both parties? Because they are both winners here, Taylor got sweet promo for her new album, Apple got sweet promo for their new music service. I don't know, it is really weird how it all played out all of a sudden

[nineinchnerd]

Does anyone else have a feeling that Apple backing out of that 3 months without pay deal (http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/21/apple-music-free-trial/) was a little bit too easy? Like I get that Taylor Swift is really popular and all, but is it really all that it takes to write one letter and Apple suddenly changes all their marketing strategy? Like that maybe it wasn't beef between Swift and Apple at all, but it was just a PR stunt for both parties? Because they are both winners here, Taylor got sweet promo for her new album, Apple got sweet promo for their new music service. I don't know, it is really weird how it all played out all of a sudden

It wasn't just taylor swift; it was other artists and tons of indie labels as well.

[m15a]

Personally, I don't believe it was a PR stunt, especially because the end result is far more negative than if Apple never had the policy in the first place and it doesn't really help Taylor much at all considering 1989 came out 8 months ago (and has already had 4 singles plus the whole first leg of the North American tour). Seriously, if they got her on board from the start to say "Apple Music is great. I don't hate it like I hate Spotify. You can find my album there", that would have been way more positive.

I think it seemed "too easy" because Apple was probably debating the policy the whole time (who knows, maybe Trent was even arguing against the policy the whole time, too) or at least were considering changing the policy once there started to be a backlash. Taylor just has enough power (not just her own profits but in industry connections) that she can get Apple to scramble to respond ASAP.

[sheepdean]

If Taylor Swift can influence Apple like that, can we get a NIN cover of Blank Space please

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

If Taylor Swift can influence Apple like that, can we get a NIN cover of Blank Space please

The album I never knew I wanted. Swift on NIN and NIN on Swift.

[Dr Channard]

You're absolutely right, 100%
But then the guy released HM and did that weird tour cycle behind it.

Homie is weird man.

HM isn’t a personal favorite for me either. Overall, it didn’t quite typify the things I’d expect going into a nin album. It felt familiar, and yet foreign at the same time. But at the end of the day it’s what he felt he needed to do, and I can respect that. It’s not bad, just different. Everything said, we each probably have a least favorite nin album, I think I can deal with it okay if HM is mine.

As far as the “weird” tour, I wasn’t able to catch any of the supporting tours, so I‘m not sure, but I wouldn’t have guessed Soundgarden as a co-headliner. Which is not a complaint because I like me some Soundgarden, and it would have been cool to see. I just wouldn’t have guessed it.

[implanted_microchip]

As far as the “weird” tour, I wasn’t able to catch any of the supporting tours, so I‘m not sure, but I wouldn’t have guessed Soundgarden as a co-headliner. Which is not a complaint because I like me some Soundgarden, and it would have been cool to see. I just wouldn’t have guessed it.

A big thing about that tour cycle is you had the festival leg, the Tension leg, the Japan trio of shows, the NZ/Aus leg with QOTSA, the European leg and then the SG North American leg and the production, setlists and lineup changed around on them constantly. Started as a five piece, then eight piece with female vocalists, then four piece for the next year with Mariqueen coming onstage at points doing HTDA material, with the panel/festival setup getting used twice, the big Tension setup getting stripped down to more of the LITS setup for the European tour, the Japanese and NZ/Aus dates all having a more stripped raw light show without screens. You had greatest hits style setlists and really good blends of hits and deeper cut setlists and Hesitation Marks heavy sets and sets focused on aggression and sets focused on groovy vibed stuff and sets where a lot of The Fragile got played and sets where TDS ruled and everything inbetween. The album version of March of the Pigs without the All the Pigs, All Lined Up outro got played in Australia even. It had a ton of variety and people who want to say it was only the Soundgarden leg are ignoring an entire year beforehand of varied and incredible touring, not to mention that the Soundgarden tour was truly excellent and I say that as someone who never really liked Soundgarden and who saw two dates of the tour with both setlists and still missed out on some songs I would have liked to have seen. The standard Soundgarden leg set was genuinely wonderful and well-paced, balanced and presented and the show was wonderful. People focus so much more about the setlist than the actual quality of the show and it's really ridiculous. A great setlist is amazing thing but energy, crowd involvement/interest, production, presentation all go a long fuckin' way and NIN had that in spades, not to mention a genuinely good set.

I don't know about anymore but I remember tony bitching hard that there was a lack of Fragile material on the Soundgarden tour and while that may have been true a lot of it was done on Tension, the North American tour they had done less than a year before. In my one Tension date I saw The Frail, The Wretched, Somewhat Damaged, Even Deeper and The Day the World Went Away. Come on. How can I bitch about that? On that same touring leg they did Into the Void and The Big Come Down fairly often, and the leg before that were doing The Way Out is Through pretty much every night. It's funny, all of us in America had three different tour legs for NIN where we were capable of seeing them on the 2013-14 touring cycle, with the festival dates, the Tension and SG tour, and yet a lot of us bitched copiously. People in east Europe sure weren't whining when they got to see them and really appreciated it. I definitely think a lot of us were spoiled by the time that SG tour rolled in, if they had started with that and ended with the Tension run maybe people would have complained less but even then I'm sure plenty would have still found ways to bitch.

I think a lot of folks failed to appreciate that on a co-headlining tour you're not just playing to your fans you're playing to a whole other group of people as well and if you want to win them over, playing things they might know goes a long way to getting them involved. People who didn't seem to know anything beyond the hits seemed blown away by Copy of a, Disappointed, Eraser, The Great Destroyer. People loved it, and there was more than enough material they were familiar enough with to be comfortable and give the other songs a shot. That whole Tension headlining tour was the tour for the hardcore fans where 10 songs from the new album were played a night and obscure deep cuts like I'm Afraid of Americans and All the Love In the World got busted out and The Fragile had tons of presentation and A Warm Place became a fucking staple and goddamn just thinking about those setlists is making me miss it again.

As someone who had never seen NIN live until Tension it was actually very cool to see the more "typical" sets the next year with Soundgarden, it both made me appreciate what I saw on Tension more and made me love the "hits" collection more. Gave Up live has been a staple for so long because it's an incredible song live and absolutely everyone goes nuts to it. Closer is the staple it's been because everyone collectively loses their shit and drunk people who have been spending half the night walking to the beer stand start to pay attention and get into it if only for five minutes. Hurt ends the show all the time because it's an amazing thing live and it gets an amphitheatre of now tired, drunk, stoned, half-there-for-that-other-band-on-the-ticket people singing in unison. That's a remarkable moment.

So if that was a "weird" touring cycle I'll take weird every day of the week from Trent please. Not to mention all the awesome multicam fan projects and official footage to come out of it, from that killer Australia blu ray to the pro-shot Tension show on YouTube to the Austin City Limits show to the Europe mutlicam edits to the wealth of pro-shot festival shows to the on-stage 4K performances in New Zealand. It might be the most well-documented touring cycle NIN's ever done, or at least high up there. As a person who thought I would never get to see my favorite band of all time, and then got to see them three times in less than a year, I'm insanely grateful and happy that it happened like it did.

[nineinchnerd]

A big thing about that tour cycle is you had the festival leg, the Tension leg, the Japan trio of shows, the NZ/Aus leg with QOTSA, the European leg and then the SG North American leg and the production, setlists and lineup changed around on them constantly. Started as a five piece, then eight piece with female vocalists, then four piece for the next year with Mariqueen coming onstage at points doing HTDA material, with the panel/festival setup getting used twice, the big Tension setup getting stripped down to more of the LITS setup for the European tour, the Japanese and NZ/Aus dates all having a more stripped raw light show without screens. You had greatest hits style setlists and really good blends of hits and deeper cut setlists and Hesitation Marks heavy sets and sets focused on aggression and sets focused on groovy vibed stuff and sets where a lot of The Fragile got played and sets where TDS ruled and everything inbetween. The album version of March of the Pigs without the All the Pigs, All Lined Up outro got played in Australia even. It had a ton of variety and people who want to say it was only the Soundgarden leg are ignoring an entire year beforehand of varied and incredible touring, not to mention that the Soundgarden tour was truly excellent and I say that as someone who never really liked Soundgarden and who saw two dates of the tour with both setlists and still missed out on some songs I would have liked to have seen. The standard Soundgarden leg set was genuinely wonderful and well-paced, balanced and presented and the show was wonderful. People focus so much more about the setlist than the actual quality of the show and it's really ridiculous. A great setlist is amazing thing but energy, crowd involvement/interest, production, presentation all go a long fuckin' way and NIN had that in spades, not to mention a genuinely good set.

I don't know about anymore but I remember tony bitching hard that there was a lack of Fragile material on the Soundgarden tour and while that may have been true a lot of it was done on Tension, the North American tour they had done less than a year before. In my one Tension date I saw The Frail, The Wretched, Somewhat Damaged, Even Deeper and The Day the World Went Away. Come on. How can I bitch about that? On that same touring leg they did Into the Void and The Big Come Down fairly often, and the leg before that were doing The Way Out is Through pretty much every night. It's funny, all of us in America had three different tour legs for NIN where we were capable of seeing them on the 2013-14 touring cycle, with the festival dates, the Tension and SG tour, and yet a lot of us bitched copiously. People in east Europe sure weren't whining when they got to see them and really appreciated it. I definitely think a lot of us were spoiled by the time that SG tour rolled in, if they had started with that and ended with the Tension run maybe people would have complained less but even then I'm sure plenty would have still found ways to bitch.

I think a lot of folks failed to appreciate that on a co-headlining tour you're not just playing to your fans you're playing to a whole other group of people as well and if you want to win them over, playing things they might know goes a long way to getting them involved. People who didn't seem to know anything beyond the hits seemed blown away by Copy of a, Disappointed, Eraser, The Great Destroyer. People loved it, and there was more than enough material they were familiar enough with to be comfortable and give the other songs a shot. That whole Tension headlining tour was the tour for the hardcore fans where 10 songs from the new album were played a night and obscure deep cuts like I'm Afraid of Americans and All the Love In the World got busted out and The Fragile had tons of presentation and A Warm Place became a fucking staple and goddamn just thinking about those setlists is making me miss it again.

As someone who had never seen NIN live until Tension it was actually very cool to see the more "typical" sets the next year with Soundgarden, it both made me appreciate what I saw on Tension more and made me love the "hits" collection more. Gave Up live has been a staple for so long because it's an incredible song live and absolutely everyone goes nuts to it. Closer is the staple it's been because everyone collectively loses their shit and drunk people who have been spending half the night walking to the beer stand start to pay attention and get into it if only for five minutes. Hurt ends the show all the time because it's an amazing thing live and it gets an amphitheatre of now tired, drunk, stoned, half-there-for-that-other-band-on-the-ticket people singing in unison. That's a remarkable moment.

So if that was a "weird" touring cycle I'll take weird every day of the week from Trent please. Not to mention all the awesome multicam fan projects and official footage to come out of it, from that killer Australia blu ray to the pro-shot Tension show on YouTube to the Austin City Limits show to the Europe mutlicam edits to the wealth of pro-shot festival shows to the on-stage 4K performances in New Zealand. It might be the most well-documented touring cycle NIN's ever done, or at least high up there. As a person who thought I would never get to see my favorite band of all time, and then got to see them three times in less than a year, I'm insanely grateful and happy that it happened like it did.

Three shows?! Damn, I envy you! I would have killed just to see one.

[Dr Channard]

Three shows?! Damn, I envy you! I would have killed just to see one.

Ditto. I haven’t got to see the Reznor roadshow since 08. It’d be nice to see it one more time before he decides to hang it up for good.

[jmtd]

So thanks to Shia LaBeouf we finally learn the extended lyrics to "Just Do It" http://nerdist.com/just-do-it-shia-labeouf-is-spreading-motivation-all-over-the-internet/ more up-beat than i was expecting

[Khrz]

So thanks to Shia LaBeouf we finally learn the extended lyrics to "Just Do It" http://nerdist.com/just-do-it-shia-labeouf-is-spreading-motivation-all-over-the-internet/ more up-beat than i was expecting

Wow, so it really was the Everything of The Downward Spiral !

[virushopper]

Just found out Gary Numan is doing a three night set here in LA in September

http://thescenestar.typepad.com/ss/2015/06/gary-numan-is-playing-full-album-sets-of-replicas-the-pleasure-principle-and-telekon-at-teragram-bal.html

I wonder if Trent or Robin will be there.

[billpulsipher]

Kleiner wrote a book.....few things...people go to a NIN show wanting to see NIN, not see Trents wife come out and sing HTDA songs during the encore...thats taking an AWFULLY LOT for granted that NIN fans want to hear that...2nd of all the problem with the setlists during the summer 2014 Soundgarden tour were that they were basically IDENTICAL setlists to the summer 2013 tour....after the great 09 tour of playing deep cuts, last thing anyone expected was TR to come back in 4/5 years and play greatest hits (which is what he did)...whats the fucking point at this stage to do greatest hits tours?

[BRoswell]

people go to a NIN show wanting to see NIN, not see Trents wife come out and sing HTDA songs during the encore

Considering the crowd reactions in both Japan and Australia/New Zealand, I think you're absolutely wrong.

Also, "Trent's wife" has a name.


...they were basically IDENTICAL setlists to the summer 2013 tour..

Which, three dates aside, wasn't in the United States (where the 2014 tour dates with Soundgarden were). Also, I have to believe there are fans out there that didn't download every video stream of every festival performance the year before, and maybe HADN'T seen those shows. I also have to believe that there are fans out there who didn't give a fuck if the setlists were similar. :p

And as for your complaint about a "greatest hits tour", I wasn't aware that tracks like Sanctified, Reptile, Eraser, Me, I'm Not, The Great Destroyer, The Warning, Disappointed, and Find My Way were considered greatest hits. ;)

[sheepdean]

If putting on Mariqueen (I checked, she has a name!) is "taking a lot for granted", then so is touring with QOTSA, Soundgarden, bringing on Numan, Murphy, Williams, ever doing anything ever that isn't new...

Like, yeah, some people don't like her. Some people also don't like Ilan.

[implanted_microchip]

Kleiner wrote a book.....few things...people go to a NIN show wanting to see NIN, not see Trents wife come out and sing HTDA songs during the encore...thats taking an AWFULLY LOT for granted that NIN fans want to hear that...2nd of all the problem with the setlists during the summer 2014 Soundgarden tour were that they were basically IDENTICAL setlists to the summer 2013 tour....after the great 09 tour of playing deep cuts, last thing anyone expected was TR to come back in 4/5 years and play greatest hits (which is what he did)...whats the fucking point at this stage to do greatest hits tours?

1.) The HTDA guest spots happened in, what, three countries? Go watch any footage or listen to any show on RITC of those dates, everyone in the audience seems resoundingly happy and Trent openly says "We weren't able to take HTDA to other places so we thought we'd do a few songs here right now." The first show they ever did that at also featured: Somewhat Damaged, Letting You, Reptile, Vessel, Burn, Ghosts 31, The Frail/The Wretched. So, yes, the greatest hits there clearly.

2.) IDENTICAL! IDENTICAL he decrees, basically IDENTICAL! Despite the fact that A) the visuals were in fact different for numerous songs and B) there was quite a bit of variation. The festival tour had The Way Out Is Through, Only and The Good Soldier as staples. Guess which songs either never appeared or were done only a handful of times on the SG tour? The SG tour featured Eraser, The Great Destroyer and the actual original album version of TDTWWA. Oh and I sure don't remember seeing Survivalism at either of the SG tour dates I caught despite getting both the Fuji and Assault set, so yeah, totally IDENTICAL. Not to mention lineup wise there's an entire member missing depending on which we're talking and that alone alters the arrangements and actual sound of the songs, but let's not worry about any live nuances because a show is only as good as a list of songs right.

3.) After the 2009 tour was dubbed a farewell tour and Trent said it was going to be more deep cuts for the sake of the hardcore fans and themselves since it was a last time out in his mind, who the fuck would have expected it to stay like that forever? That was a farewell tour. It was, from the ground up, intended as the last go-round and was being structured to cater to the hardcore fans and to they themselves as much as possible, other audiences be damned. It was a special deal. Anyone who expected future tours to be that is being ridiculous.

4.) Tension sure was greatest hits considering Gave Up, Closer, We're In This Together, Down In It, The Perfect Drug, Every Day Is Exactly the Same, and Discipline were all staple-- oh wait, that's right, they weren't played at all, and it wasn't even close to a greatest hits show. So that entire major US tour the year before was so close in songs right?

5.) The festival shows were widely international and had, what, two US dates? The first major US touring was Tension and go look at a Tension and a SG set, please show me the incredible similarities. This is the Tension show I saw: http://ninlive.com/shows/2013/20131031.html This is the SG show with the Fuji set I saw: http://ninlive.com/shows/2014/20140810.html Obviously these were the same shows and I should have been mad because we're also naturally entitled to different shows.

6.) The shows that had the "greatest hits" sets were either at festivals where most of the audience are not pre-existing fans or a co-headlining tour where half of the audience are not pre-existing fans. I even fuckin' talk about this in my "book" (apparently a few paragraphs that's nicely spaced and formatted is too much to read nowadays right) but then again this is a tireless and pointless argument because I'm sure, after this effort, you're going to either ignore it entirely or say some dismissive, aggressive garbage about Trent being washed up or NIN sucking live now or how Tension sucked anyway so doesn't count or any other long list of tired complaints you've been raising since you became a member here. I wish I could see you say one positive thing about NIN that isn't back-handed or passive aggressive somehow. Just one. My birthday's tomorrow. That'd be an incredible present.

7.) As someone who had never seen NIN before and thought I never would, Tension was like a fever dream of happiness for me and the Soundgarden tour was like pure bliss, getting to see them again two nights back to back less than a year later. And of those three shows I ended up seeing something around I think 30 unique songs and of the songs that were replayed I enjoyed all of them every time. I loved seeing this band live. I desperately hope I get to see them more. And if it were the exact same sets as any of the three I've seen, I'd still go and have an amazing time, because, big shocker, I love those songs by that band. Who knew fans of a band would really like most of their songs?! Crazy, I know.

[billpulsipher]

I think kleiner is Rob Sheridan.....

[sheepdean]

I think bill is Richard Patrick

[Khrz]

try Courtney Hole...

[sweeterthan]

Who doesn't like Ilan?
Morons. That's who.

[BRoswell]

I think bill is Richard Patrick


try Courtney Hole...

You're both wrong. It's John Malm.

[nineinchnerd]

This non-news is really soul destroying. Patience is not my strong suit.

[sheepdean]

Possibly old and I missed it, so not putting it in spotting, but 42 Entertainment's team page has a BTS pic of the Survivalism video. Wonder if they filmed the whole thing...

http://www.42entertainment.com/assets/people/at_work/alex_nin-5b4d7600b4e437c547d763b896fd9b46.jpg

http://www.42entertainment.com/team

[BRoswell]

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see an edit with just the angles of the band.

[nooneimportant]

So with Apple Music being released, Trent decided to post a performance of Copy of A from Vienna in 2014 and it is Pro-Shot..

Let the speculation over the Tension DVD resume once again...

Is it happening? Is it even real? Is it butter? Who knows.

[RJK]

So with Apple Music being released, Trent decided to post a performance of Copy of A from Vienna in 2014 and it is Pro-Shot..

Let the speculation over the Tension DVD resume once again...

Is it happening? Is it even real? Is it butter? Who knows.

This video is on Apple Music I assume?

[nooneimportant]

This video is on Apple Music I assume?

Yeah, it's on the Connect page for NIN. It's apparently free to anybody who doesn't wanna bother with the Apple Music sub. Could be an oversight, I dunno.

[BenAkenobi]

Is it this specific time when forum topic adds up so fast that when you read one page two more appear? :mad:

[fillow]

hold on, I want to know what billy thinks.
...most likely that trent likes corporate dollars so much, he deliberately held Tension DVD and The Fragile stuff to be able to promote it via Apple...

[dominik]

Yeah, it's on the Connect page for NIN. It's apparently free to anybody who doesn't wanna bother with the Apple Music sub. Could be an oversight, I dunno.

Can you access it when you don't have Apple Music available yet?

[cabezas]

Can you access it when you don't have Apple Music available yet?

It appears on iOS 8.4 or on the latest version of iTunes, doesn't need any subscription to listen to the NIN connect page (at least for now)

[gorast]

Connect is supposed to be available for everyone, that's the point of it. That's what I gathered from the initial announcement, anyway.

God, this forum's a mess today. Four pages of meltdown in the Fragile thread.

[implanted_microchip]

I really desperately hope there's one weird guy out there passionately disappointed that Deep didn't get an instrumental release today.

[eversonpoe]

I really desperately hope there's one weird guy out there passionately disappointed that Deep didn't get an instrumental release today.

uh...hi, i'm maxwell. that'd be me ;)

[BRoswell]

I really desperately hope there's one weird guy out there passionately disappointed that Deep didn't get an instrumental release today.

They needn't worry. There's an instrumental version up on the remix site. (http://remix.nin.com/play/mix?id=2399)

[sheepdean]

They needn't worry. There's an instrumental version up on the remix site. (http://remix.nin.com/play/mix?id=2399)
TDS, TF, WT, YZ all have instrumental versions now, with TS having a fan made one. WHERE THE HELL IS MY PHM INSTRUMENTAL TRONT

[wizfan]

TDS, TF, WT, YZ all have instrumental versions now, with TS having a fan made one. WHERE THE HELL IS MY PHM INSTRUMENTAL TRONT

What? Instrumental version of With Teeth? When? Where?

[sheepdean]

What? Instrumental version of With Teeth? When? Where?
Today, Apple Music. There's been like, threads about it and stuff. I'm sure you've even commented on one.

[gorast]

The aggression about new Fragile tracks completely drowned out the With Teeth talk, so it's not really that surprising.

[screwdriver]

uh...hi, i'm maxwell. That'd be me ;)

me too!!!!!!!!!!! Deep deep deep deep

[implanted_microchip]

uh...hi, i'm maxwell. that'd be me ;)

I'm so happy you exist. <3 This day couldn't get any better.

OT: Instrumental Broken would be a pretty nice thing to have. I definitely think Trent is probably less interested in Broken than any other NIN release at this point considering how little any of it was played on the past tour cycle and that he's mentioned seeing it as less than representative of NIN before, calling it less sincere, etc. Regardless though, hearing things in instrumental form really highlights whole other sides of things.

Oh and I swear there's a vocal clip in Only still in the instrumental version. With Teeth still has the "ba-ba-baaah, ba-ba-baah, bum-ba-ba"'s left in as well.

Okay there's a plane landing/taking off type sound at the start of Right Where It Belongs that I swear to hell isn't on the album version. Alose BYiT's "oo"s at the end are left in as well.

[wizfan]

Today, Apple Music. There's been like, threads about it and stuff. I'm sure you've even commented on one.

Oh. I only thought it was the Fragile instrumentals that were released. I missed it during the flood of posts.

By the way, the PHM instrumental is halfway there. We have multitracks for HLAH, Terrible Lie, Sanctified and The Only Time (all available in my big-ass Multitrack Collection torrent)!

[BRoswell]

The video of Copy Of A that Trent posted on Apple Connect is pretty awesome. Hopefully a video for The Great Destroyer gets posted at some point.

[Q-NeilL]

TDS, TF, WT, YZ all have instrumental versions now, with TS having a fan made one. WHERE THE HELL IS MY PHM INSTRUMENTAL TRONT

I want CBH instrumental. Where is it? :(

[mfte]

For a long time now I have been thinking that The Big Comedown would have made a good first single from The Fragile. It's bouncy, sorta poppy and to the point.

[nineinchnerd]

I would love to see a NIN cover of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZi6yIDwnxw

Can someone run this by Trent? lol

[xolotl]

I really desperately hope there's one weird guy out there passionately disappointed that Deep didn't get an instrumental release today.

Hey, now, since TR never got around to making a video for Deep (right? RIGHT?) we should all be able to focus on the fact that from a purely auditory perspective, Deep is totally awesome, and a kickass song. :)

[WorzelG]

Somebody on Facebook mentioned that Eminem had once wanted NIN to do a tour with them, so I looked it up and it was autumn 2000, the Anger Management tour, but he didn't ask NIN to be in the line-up because he was friends with Marilyn Manson. Hmm can't really see NIN enjoying a tour with Limp Biskit either, in the fragile state he was in then I think the whole thing would have been a disaster. Did anyone here see that tour? Would NIN have gone down well at, frankly, a bit of a bro-rock thing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anger_Management_Tour

[implanted_microchip]

If we get another NIN album within the next year or so and no tour it'll be the first NIN album to release with no touring (or since Broken but dear Christ let's not get that debate train of "GUYS IS IT AN ALBUM OR AN LP WHAT IS AN LP ANyWY" going again please ugh I hate even mentioning it). It'll be really odd to have a whole hour or so of NIN put out with no live component to accompany it and no live arrangements/counterparts considering literally every release has had the majority or at least a good chunk of it performed. Hell some of the remix albums/singles have been done live. It'll just be so weird and would be really cool to see how they go about it when/if another tour happens later on down the line, chances are it'd be nothing like Tension with so much devoted to HM.

[sheepdean]

If we get another NIN album within the next year or so and no tour it'll be the first NIN album to release with no touring (or since Broken but dear Christ let's not get that debate train of "GUYS IS IT AN ALBUM OR AN LP WHAT IS AN LP ANyWY" going again please ugh I hate even mentioning it). It'll be really odd to have a whole hour or so of NIN put out with no live component to accompany it and no live arrangements/counterparts considering literally every release has had the majority or at least a good chunk of it performed. Hell some of the remix albums/singles have been done live. It'll just be so weird and would be really cool to see how they go about it when/if another tour happens later on down the line, chances are it'd be nothing like Tension with so much devoted to HM.
Man I fucking loved the Ghosts tour

[fillow]

I'm pretty sure NIN will be touring with the next album anyway, but that won't happen sooner than 2017. I expect a new HTDA album/tour or any other side project first.
I also think that NIN should do shorter tour cycles so that TR won't bitch about tours that last forever and wear him out. Like, one round in each market area and that's it. (I would also welcome playing less festivals and more solo dates, but playing festivals probably finance the whole thing so I give up.)

[implanted_microchip]

Man I fucking loved the Ghosts tour

Ghosts was incorporated into and released pretty much right during the Lights In the Sky tour and you know it. Ghosts, Year Zero and The Slip were all "new" live for North American audiences and TS and Ghosts had just come out, all three had a lot of material presented that tour heavily.

[sheepdean]

Ghosts was incorporated into and released pretty much right during the Lights In the Sky tour and you know it. Ghosts, Year Zero and The Slip were all "new" live for North American audiences and TS and Ghosts had just come out, all three had a lot of material presented that tour heavily.
Yeah but it still is half unplayed, there really isn't a live component to it.

I digress, I'd kinda like to see the next album be Still 2, not just because I always want it, but Still doesn't require a tour and doesn't require as much writing input, so he could make a new album without taking as much time and effort, and without the demands of a tour. Although call it something better than Still 2, maybe Quiet like Still originally was going to be.

[Khrz]

Still still.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Ghosts was incorporated into and released pretty much right during the Lights In the Sky tour and you know it. Ghosts, Year Zero and The Slip were all "new" live for North American audiences and TS and Ghosts had just come out, all three had a lot of material presented that tour heavily.
Which is why I'd expect songs from Halo 29 to play a significant role in a tour for Halo 30 or whatever. Not every album is going to have a dedicated tour at TR's current rate of output.

(Before someone points at the five year gap between The Slip and HM, my definition of "output" includes HTDA and the soundtracks. Both of which made cameos in the HM cycle, I might add.)

[nineinchnerd]

How terrible is that new Muse album? It's so clearly going for some NIN electronic/rock thing, except the lyrics are terrible and it's all lame. Hint: I kind of hate this band.

[Khrz]

Did you just discover Muse right now ? They've always done that and have always been this, whether you like it or hate it...

[nineinchnerd]

Did you just discover Muse right now ? They've always done that and have always been this, whether you like it or hate it...

I kind of ignored them for a better part of a decade. Then, I was working on some set and someone had their new song playing in the background and it drove me insane. It's like one of those terrible songs that get stuck in your head and now I can't stop being reminded of how awful it was. The lead singer sounds like he's being tortured while he sings; it sounds like he's in pain and crying or something but trying to sing at the same time.

Anyway, I must put it out of my head and move on.

[simonn]

How terrible is that new Muse album? It's so clearly going for some NIN electronic/rock thing, except the lyrics are terrible and it's all lame. Hint: I kind of hate this band.
Er, not very. It's ruddy marvellous.

[Khrz]

Hey, let's make a thread about bands we don't like or our controversial opinions on music that has nothing to do with Nine Inch Nails !


Oh wait...

[Dr Channard]

How terrible is that new Muse album? It's so clearly going for some NIN electronic/rock thing, except the lyrics are terrible and it's all lame. Hint: I kind of hate this band.

Their music has always been hit and miss for me, but I agree that the singer gets annoying fast with his over the top operatic singing. I get together with some friends around once a month to play board games, most of them are around half my age (I‘m 33). About a year ago they want to listen to music while we play, I say sure, they put on Muse albums and Linkin Park albums, I get annoyed after a few songs from either band but I put up with the plastic angst of Linkin Park and the wandering wailing of Muse. After their albums are done I say, “hey lets listen to this for a while” and put on some NIN. My younger friends quickly become annoyed with it calling it “pointlessly loud and angry just for the sake of being loud and angry.” WHAT?!! I try to explain the album, the different facets of the importance of nin in the world of music, but it only falls on deaf ears. I now feel sad and old and out of touch. At least we could meet in the middle and agree on listening to Radiohead.

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Got my first haircut since last December.

I think the chorus in HLAH is about not trusting your barber's judgment like, ever again.

[Volband]

Got my first haircut since last December.

I think the chorus in HLAH is about not trusting your barber's judgment like, ever again.
I learned the lesson the hard way. Even though I kept saying "don't change your dentist or hairdresser if they both do a good job, EVER", one day, when I wanted a cut, she had a message that she's opening a few hours later. I was like nu-uuuuh, not gonna walk home, then back there again!! So, I went to a hairsaloon and got the shittiest, lamest haircut ever. I mean, you know your hair sucks when not even your mother compliment it......

Man, I couldn't even gossip with this new hairdresser, which is like, half the reason I like mine.

[Copy_of_an_Echo]

Man I fucking loved the Ghosts tour

lol I'm not sure if this is really obvious, but their was no Ghosts tour right? You're just being a goof?

[sheepdean]

lol I'm not sure if this is really obvious, but their was no Ghosts tour right? You're just being a goof?
Indeed, I was being sarcastic. I do that a lot and apologise for nothing :P



Although I'd give my right hand for a fucking Ghosts tour

[nineinchnerd]

One of NIN's inspirations, Skinny Puppy, is touring this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vG2xrgnkLQ

Good to see they're still going.

[sick among the pure]

One of NIN's inspirations, Skinny Puppy, is touring this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vG2xrgnkLQ

Good to see they're still going.

Actually, they tour pretty consistently. I saw them just this past December (would have seen them the year before but we had a bad snowstorm that day and they had to cancel the show). It was cool, because it was in a little club (The Troc if anyone's from or goes to shows in Philly) and there were a bunch of openers (including Front Line Assembly). Good show, but a bit too theatrical for me. Ohgr had a big speech at the end, he's really political.

[nineinchnerd]

How fucking awesome is that 'Copy of A' performance Trent uploaded on Apple Music????? I can't stop watching it with the speakers turned all the way up. It's just a matter of time before the neighbors put in a noise complaint. Now if only he can upload 'The Great Destroyer,' then I'd be getting a knock on my door for sure!

[nineinchnerd]

Actually, they tour pretty consistently. I saw them just this past December (would have seen them the year before but we had a bad snowstorm that day and they had to cancel the show). It was cool, because it was in a little club (The Troc if anyone's from or goes to shows in Philly) and there were a bunch of openers (including Front Line Assembly). Good show, but a bit too theatrical for me. Ohgr had a big speech at the end, he's really political.

Yeah, the costumes and stuff are kind of silly. Seems like they haven't really evolved at all lol. At least they're doing what works for them and continuing, which is cool.

[sheepdean]

How fucking awesome is that 'Copy of A' performance Trent uploaded on Apple Music????? I can't stop watching it with the speakers turned all the way up. It's just a matter of time before the neighbors put in a noise complaint. Now if only he can upload 'The Great Destroyer,' then I'd be getting a knock on my door for sure!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hCku23WiE

[Krazy]

Now if only he can upload 'The Great Destroyer,' then I'd be getting a knock on my door for sure!

I've pretty much given up on a 2013-14 tour BRD/DVD release, but damn it I need a proper release of TGD in 5.1 to give the subwoofer a good workout.

[nineinchnerd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hCku23WiE

TGD 2014 edition is sick. That's the one I want to see, and in better quality than what's on youtube.

[Krazy]

Yeah, TGD was a whole different animal during 2014 than LITS. The bass was amazing with the added subwoofers and lighting/visuals were better too IMHO.

[wizfan]

So, Mark Romanek directs the pilot of The Whispers, Atticus scores Outcast, Charlie scores Wayward Pines. Lots of the NIN camp in the TV business lately, no? If only Trent and Rob were as lucky with their Year Zero TV show...

[billpulsipher]

One of NIN's inspirations, Skinny Puppy, is touring this year:

Good to see they're still going.

they've been going since they reunited in 2004 lol

also I dont think there's any love lost between the 2 camps...any warm fuzzy feelings dissipated long ago

[ChipRock]

Now if only he can upload 'The Great Destroyer'... Absolutely. As per other comments - 2014 TGD was just crazy. London was a great show all round, but I distinctly recall a moment during that song just being completely floored by how good it sounded. Thoroughly enjoy peoples efforts via YouTube, but yes - if we can get a high quality version from the Vienna show that be amazing. Copy of A does indeed sound great too.
I've never been a big fan of the previous official live albums from NIN, unless you count the LITS 'Gift'. I understand it feels sort of pointless to release live albums when so much is up online, but I'd really appreciate having properly recorded CDs or DVDs of shows from 2009 and 2013-14. Come on Trent, let's have it.

[Kamelion]

If we don't get an official release of all the badass live shit we're hoping for, I'm going to punch someone right in the fucking porcupine, I swear.

[nineinchnerd]

they've been going since they reunited in 2004 lol

also I dont think there's any love lost between the 2 camps...any warm fuzzy feelings dissipated long ago

Was there a feud between them or something?

[nineinchnerd]

Judging by some of the comments in the comments section here, I take it a lot of Skinny Puppy fans aren't exactly loving Trent. Kind of odd.

http://www.vice.com/read/nivek-ogre-is-totally-doomed-000991-v20n5

[WorzelG]

Judging by some of the comments in the comments section here, I take it a lot of Skinny Puppy fans aren't exactly loving Trent. Kind of odd.

http://www.vice.com/read/nivek-ogre-is-totally-doomed-000991-v20n5
I love that Nivek Oghr is all about the environment and thinks we'd be better off as cavemen yet his music is electronic and stage shows energy intensive. If he's so concerned he should become a folksy musician touring the country on a bike surely?

[nineinchnerd]

If we don't get an official release of all the badass live shit we're hoping for, I'm going to punch someone right in the fucking porcupine, I swear.

Honestly, I could care less for an official release of past stuff. I just want Trent to focus on the FUTURE of NIN. Not the past.