Random NIN Thoughts

[thatguymark]

So, Eddie Vedder covered 'Hurt'? I never knew that. It's not so great, really, but it's interesting in its own way. It's odd that he chose the 'crown of thorns' Cashified lyric. And, it's unfortunate that he didn't do his research before he told the Chicago crowd that he thought the songwriter was from Chicago. Still, it's nice to know that Eddie admire's Trent's songwriting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyvNUwhQoI

[sentient02970]

Ugh. I can't stand Trent's TPD look. It doesn't make him look like a rapist per se, but it makes him look kinda like the scummy uncle you have to invite to your birthday party. I still love the song though.

Also recall it's his "I'm Afraid Of Americans" look. Makes me laugh when I think of it.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/sentient02970/jonny2-1.jpg

[nooneimportant]

Ugh. I can't stand Trent's TPD look.

It seems to me like he was trying way too hard with that look. It's like an over the top evil villain in a comic or maybe someone from www.vampirefreaks.com (http://www.vampirefreaks.com).

Also I found this picture on Google and I think it's hilarious for some reason:

http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/images/9999intb.gif

I'll let you figure out why it could be seen as hilarious.

[BenAkenobi]

speaking of Fragile, i have no idea where Ripe ends and Decay begins

[Charmingly Miserable]

So, Eddie Vedder covered 'Hurt'?

I always felt that Eddie was giving a nod to Cash instead of Trent even though he incorrectly acknowledged Trent.


Also I found this picture on Google and I think it's hilarious for some reason:

http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/images/9999intb.gif

I'll let you figure out why it could be seen as hilarious.
Because he looks like a younger Rod Stewart?

[m15a]

It seems to me like he was trying way too hard with that look. It's like an over the top evil villain in a comic or maybe someone from www.vampirefreaks.com (http://www.vampirefreaks.com).

Wait, wasn't the TPD video meant to be ironic or over the top? I think it's supposed to be costumey and stylized*.

Really like the video . . hope I wasn't misinterpreting all these years. ;)

(* I don't know if that the right word. But it seems like people posing for a series of paintings or something.)

[implanted_microchip]

speaking of Fragile, i have no idea where Ripe ends and Decay begins

The vinyl version ends at 5:15 so it's safe to assume all after that is the With Decay portion.

[seasonsinthesky]

The vinyl version ends at 5:15 so it's safe to assume all after that is the With Decay portion.

that's not quite accurate. the vinyl version fades out the repeating riff, but the CD version does that AND has other music on top the entire time. they're intermingled much closer than the song lengths show.

[implanted_microchip]

that's not quite accurate. the vinyl version fades out the repeating riff, but the CD version does that AND has other music on top the entire time. they're intermingled much closer than the song lengths show.

Oh alright, I had no idea. Just was basing it off of what NINWiki said.

[GibbonBlack]

I just thought Ripe (With Decay) was the name of the track....

[implanted_microchip]

I just thought Ripe (With Decay) was the name of the track....

The vinyl version has a lot of differences track-listing wise, with different songs on it even. Instead of Ripe (With Decay) it's simply Ripe, and ends at five minutes and fifteen seconds, while the CD version (and I think cassette?) runs past that and has (With Decay) on the title.

[sick among the pure]

Thought about posting these in the parody thread, but I don't want to bump it.
I was looking through Weird Al's site, because I was a big fan back in the day, and found some amazing photos from his Germs performance. He fucking nailed mid 90's Trent.

http://www.weirdal.com/images/021200c.jpg
http://www.weirdal.com/images/070100c.jpg
http://www.weirdal.com/images/091600g.jpg

[Charmingly Miserable]

^Needs cornstarch though. lol

[nooneimportant]

Trent was basically flexing during the Made in America Festival last year.

http://i.imgur.com/88PqQJU.png

[implanted_microchip]

I saw this on ebay and couldn't get over the fact that this is clearly how everyone looks while listening to TDS:

http://i.imgur.com/3FjGT1b.jpg

[thevoid99]

Trent was basically flexing during the Made in America Festival last year.

http://i.imgur.com/88PqQJU.png

I think he's singing Katy Perry's "Roar" in that pic.

[implanted_microchip]

thevoid99 :

He's obviously singing this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08

[nooneimportant]

I saw this on ebay and couldn't get over the fact that this is clearly how everyone looks while listening to TDS:

http://i.imgur.com/3FjGT1b.jpg

I tend to do that during Big Man With a Gun.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I had completely forgotten about this photo. Now all I want to see at NIN/SG is Trent wearing this shirt and especially the necklace.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/22/dunu5uqu.jpg

[Charmingly Miserable]

I tend to do that during Big Man With a Gun.
Speaking of, I was listening to it yesterday and it has some seriously cheesy lyrics.


I had completely forgotten about this photo. Now all I want to see at NIN/SG is Trent wearing this shirt and especially the necklace.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/22/dunu5uqu.jpg
Oh geez. I have a necklace like that. It was a gift and I have no idea where it it.

I wonder if the Reznor family would like to eat some pizza with me? I'd watch the boys while T-Rez and MQ get us a pitcher of root beer (make that a diet coke for Trent).

[MrSlfDstruct]

Speaking of, I was listening to it yesterday and it has some seriously cheesy lyrics.


Oh geez. I have a necklace like that. It was a gift and I have no idea where it it.

I just noticed he's actually wearing TWO necklaces. The longer black one with the thingie on it didn't catch my eye until I was on a bigger screen. The gold pimp chain is really my area of intrigue.

Trent should've ditched the NIN moniker in '92 and become the original 2 Chainz.

[nooneimportant]

Remember the crazy headbanging sound guy from NIN shows? I don't know if he's still the sound man or what, but he would also appear on the screen behind the band during Survivalism during LITS.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Remember the crazy headbanging sound guy from NIN shows? I don't know if he's still the sound man or what, but he would also appear on the screen behind the band during Survivalism during LITS.

Sadly he was not present on the UK dates I went to, I was very disappointed. It was the lighting op by the way

[Halo Infinity]

"Perfect drug" Trent is underrated...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/3/4061404_c40551beb9.jpg
It makes me wonder what would've been thought and said if he actually kept this look through TF era. It's always been one of my favorite looks of his. It also seems like he had two hairstyles that were just as long in the PHM era, which I've also liked.

[henryeatscereal]

It makes me wonder what would've been thought and said if he actually kept this look through TF era. It's always been one of my favorite looks of his. It also seems like he had two hairstyles that were just as long in the PHM era, which I've also liked.
Yeah i would have liked him to keep that look too the "Perfect Drug" era look was miles better form the stupid "Emo WITH_TEETH" era look...

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/27/93857791.251/0_1a5129_3d50c9c1_orig.jpg

[Halo Infinity]

If it were twice as long, it would've been WT hair with TDS look. For a moment, I thought that meant that he'd get back to that style by 2006 or 2007. He sort of got that TDS style back in 2002 though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t6Nalbkifk

[WorzelG]

Didn't the old ETS have a thread about Trent's hair?? Maybe it needs reopening! :D

[Halo Infinity]

It was either that, or a general Trent Reznor appreciation thread with lots of pictures of Trent. I also saw a couple of those on NIN.com as well. :)

[henryeatscereal]

Dammit i just figured out we have been talking about Trent's hair since last page ...don't want to be a party pooper, but can we talk about his music already?

[Halo Infinity]

Why not both? ;) Although, Nine Inch Nails specifically is the music and all. Perhaps it's no wonder why those topics and pictures were discussed a lot more in those Trent Reznor Appreciation threads at NIN.com.

As for a Nine Inch Nails thought pertaining to his music, I'd ballpark the next release to be out some time around 2015-2017, assuming that he's aiming to beat yet another 5-year wait. :p

[henryeatscereal]

2015 would be great, but i think we'll hear his next soundtrack before a new NIN release...

[Halo Infinity]

2016 would also seem to be almost just as good too. It would seem like a gap of 2-3 years in between albums would seem to be pretty normal and decent. I could also see how 1 year in between albums would be far too soon though, even though it was a pleasant surprise to have seen Year Zero, Ghosts I-IV, and The Slip being released in under the span of 2 years. And yes, that also sounds just about right and far more likely to happen too.

[WorzelG]

2016 would also seem to be almost just as good too. It would seem like a gap of 2-3 years in between albums would seem to be pretty normal and decent. I could actually see how 1 year would be far too soon though, even though it was a pleasant surprise to have seen Year Zero, Ghosts I-IV, and The Slip being released in under the span of 2 years. And yes, that also sounds just about right and far more likely to happen too.
The only thing is, I loved HM and it was because of the time it took I think, I don't want an album just rushed out even though I would want a tour as soon as possible!

I was doing a list of what the most played NIN songs are that I have seen at the 13 shows I have attended : no song was played at all 13 shows
Wish - 12 times
March of the Pigs / Hurt / Gave Up - 11 times
Head Like a Hole - 10
The Hand that Feeds / Closer - 9
Survivalism / Piggy - 7
Terrible Lie / Burn - 6
Frail / The Wretched / Reptile / Eraser - 5

These are the top 15 and I'm surprised that I've seen Eraser that many as it doesn't feel like I've seen it 5 times. I also was surprised I've only seen Only twice, I think I've almost heard other people moan about it and figured I'd heard it more than I have

I've seen quite a few obscure songs though, mostly courtesy of the Sonisphere festival set - like Lights in the Sky, I Do Not Want This, Gone, Still. I've also seen Home once and Ruiner. I guess Wish and Gave Up are the most overplayed - I really don't feel like I've had enough of March of the Pigs or Piggy though

[Fangster_]

I could also see how 1 year in between albums would be far too soon though

I think we can put this in an equation to finally solve soon.

2soon = ∞ x -1
soon = ∞ x2

??????

help me i can't math

[sick among the pure]

I think we can put this in an equation to finally solve soon.

2soon = ∞ x -1
soon = ∞ x2

??????

help me i can't math


Reminds me of the

2xman I could be = 1/2 what you need

equation.

[GlitchyFlame]

http://assets-s3.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/nine-inch-nails-ready-first-tour-in-five-years-20050324/1000x306/20130406-nin-firsttour5years-306x-1365350585.jpg
This hair style is so fucking stupid that it makes me laugh every time that I see it.

[Halo Infinity]

The only thing is, I loved HM and it was because of the time it took I think, I don't want an album just rushed out even though I would want a tour as soon as possible!
2-3 years wouldn't seem all that rushed to me, but perhaps 3-4 years would be a better regular gap in between albums, should they become completed and released in under 5 years. I'm also still all for more tours.

[sheepdean]

http://assets-s3.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/nine-inch-nails-ready-first-tour-in-five-years-20050324/1000x306/20130406-nin-firsttour5years-306x-1365350585.jpg
This hair style is so fucking stupid that it makes me laugh every time that I see it.
Look at this photograph, every time I do it makes me laugh

[thevoid99]

He looks like Rob Lowe or Beel from True Blood.

[eversonpoe]

http://assets-s3.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/nine-inch-nails-ready-first-tour-in-five-years-20050324/1000x306/20130406-nin-firsttour5years-306x-1365350585.jpg
This hair style is so fucking stupid that it makes me laugh every time that I see it.


He looks like Rob Lowe or Beel from True Blood.

tom cruise is: rob lowe is: trent reznor.

[Charmingly Miserable]

http://youtu.be/w4IE4_RUbc0
I sincerely hope the missus doesn't wear fur.

[implanted_microchip]

I've never gotten my hands on a Fragile vinyl, and just finally got We're In This Together, Pt. 1, and HOLY SHIT is the version of 10 Miles High on it amazing.

I'm so used to the Things Falling Apart version, and it's always been a favorite of mine, but I'm guessing this is the album version, and just, wow. Is it just me or is there a sample from The Downward Spiral (song) in the intro?

[WorzelG]

I don't like Radiohead. But many people love "Creep" because they like the lyrics, they think it's touching and beautiful, etc.
"All the Love in the World" talks about feeling lost, rejected and unworthy and it is SO much better than "Creep" (both the lyrics and the music). It gives me chills every time I listen to it.
How can people not know and praise this wonderful, poignant song.
I agree with you, when With Teeth was originally streamed online before being released, I listened to the beginning of the ATLITW out of curiosity and heard it on crappy computer speakers, but the percussion still really drew me in because of the way it changed constantly and sounded organic, and then hearing the song on a proper stereo system was the aural equivalent of when Dorothy steps into the colour world of Oz. Love that song, one of my NIN favourites across the catalogue!

This review touches on All the Love in the World http://www.drawerb.com/2005/06/20/nine-inch-nails-with-teeth-interscope/ from someone who was originally taking a negative stance on the album.

This is another review of With Teeth which I love and was pointed out in another thread by @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76)
https://blogcritics.org/nine-inch-nails-with-teeth-trent/

I just think that to get any sort of acclaim past the existing fanbase a song has to get released as a single unfortunately

(although I like Radiohead, I much prefer the choral version of Creep that was on the Social Network trailer)

[henryeatscereal]

i like "All the love in the world" much better than "Creep" too but ATLITW didn't came out in 1993... perhaps if Trent had written the sound before it would have made a much bigger impact...

[Halo Infinity]

Reminds me of the

2xman I could be = 1/2 what you need

equation.
That also reminded me of when meathead actually submitted a math problem about trains to Trent Reznor at NIN.com back in 2005 or 2006. Trent immediately solved it, and showed all of his work.

[botley]

http://www.portraitofdecay.com/nin.com/access/5_06_04/questions4.gif

[eversonpoe]

http://www.portraitofdecay.com/nin.com/access/5_06_04/questions4.gif

i miss being good at math

[screwdriver]

http://www.portraitofdecay.com/nin.com/access/5_06_04/questions4.gif

its totally stupid, but things like this -- meathead, the font, the jumbled text -- all of that makes me crazy nostalgic for when that was happening. everything felt super exciting. and then I went to the With Teeth listening party, not having liked THTF that much, and I was terrified that my 5 years of faith post Fragile would be wasted... and then that break in ATLITW kicks in and I just couldn't stop smiling. Great times.

[Halo Infinity]

I loved the font because it not only reminds me of Closure, but I liked how it was eye candy to my eyes. I've noticed that I sort of imitate it with my handwriting sometimes.

[wizfan]

I had forgotten how much of a silly, guilty little pleasure Not So Pretty Now is. Plus, the KROQ performance is frigging great.

[implanted_microchip]

I had forgotten how much of a silly, guilty little pleasure Not So Pretty Now is. Plus, the KROQ performance is frigging great.

I've never understood the distaste for this song. I'd love to see it live, it seems like a lot of energy.

[GlitchyFlame]

It's really depressing to visit the official NIN forums. It's a grave yard. Rob n' the gang seemed to forget about that supposed update. I doubt that it'll happen. At least ETS is here, and very active.

[Halo Infinity]

-I thought that this would be better off to be continued in this thread instead of the Random NIN Questions thread.-

@sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) - In case I didn't, I just wanted to make it clear that I don't think there's anything wrong with liking With Teeth more than The Fragile. As a matter of fact, it was always nice for me to see With Teeth get more love and appreciation on ETS this time around.

I also don't believe it makes you less of a fan, or ignorant, just because you like one album more than another. When would it stop? It would be awful/unrealistic to have to like any/all the albums in a "right" order anyway.

And you also have a point about being a moderate fan, sheepdean. I think I knew one in real life. He still likes NIN though, but he wasn't too fond of anything beyond The Downward Spiral. He actually liked The Fragile, but considered it to be a bit of an unbalanced mess of an album, and everything from With Teeth and beyond was just "meh" to him. There was another one I knew that was on board until With Teeth, but he somehow ended up liking The Social Network and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo soundtracks.

I completely disagreed with his reasons for Trent being too old to write the lyrics he wrote for With Teeth though, while trying to pander to a younger audience, but he admitted to me that the actual music was good, so he still didn't have any gripes with the actual music.

Anyway, I just wanted to take the time to clear that up. This also goes to show that I also can't assume what the majority of the fan-base thinks just based on what a couple of people say on the Internet or even in real life. Thank you for reminding me about that. :)

[icecream]

It's really depressing to visit the official NIN forums. It's a grave yard. Rob n' the gang seemed to forget about that supposed update. I doubt that it'll happen. At least ETS is here, and very active.
I posted on the NIN forums until the Wave Goodbye stuff. Then went away and came back once NIN was brought back. NIN.com was dead so I came here. So far,ETS is waaaay better than the NIN forum.

[Charmingly Miserable]

http://www.portraitofdecay.com/nin.com/access/5_06_04/questions4.gif
I would call that a BURN!!!!


I had forgotten how much of a silly, guilty little pleasure Not So Pretty Now is. Plus, the KROQ performance is frigging great.
I like to think that in my mind, NSPN is about Courtney Love.

[sick among the pure]

I posted on the NIN forums until the Wave Goodbye stuff. Then went away and came back once NIN was brought back. NIN.com was dead so I came here. So far,ETS is waaaay better than the NIN forum.

I was on the Spiral forums from the beginning, and lurked ETS around 06, posting periodically. When The Spiral closed down and changed to nin.com forums, I moved to ETS permanently.

[icecream]

I was on the Spiral forums from the beginning, and lurked ETS around 06, posting periodically. When The Spiral closed down and changed to nin.com forums, I moved to ETS permanently.
I haven't been around that long. Didn't even really check out NIN's website, despite them being my favorite band, until The Slip came out and I gave it a peek.

[WorzelG]

I completely disagreed with his reasons for Trent being too old to write the lyrics he wrote for With Teeth though, while trying to pander to a younger audience, but he admitted to me that the actual music was good, so he still didn't have any gripes with the actual music.

Anyway, I just wanted to take the time to clear that up. This also goes to show that I also can't assume what the majority of the fan-base thinks just based on what a couple of people say on the Internet or even in real life. Thank you for reminding me about that. :)
i really get annoyed by this myth and idea people cling on to that age automatically makes you less angry, or that once you're a certain age or get married or have kids suddenly you become all kinds of happy all the time! It's just ridiculous, I think Trent said it best in I do not want this - "don't you tell me how I feel"?

I read a really annoying review of Hesitation Marks on this theme that was suggesting he wrote about chilling in the garden with his wife and kids digging the vegetables - like does this guy really think Trent does his own gardening?? also he seemed to be saying he should write country music because of marriage and kids - what?

[botley]

Country music is home to some of the most depressed, miserable shit in the world. Trent referenced a Hank Williams lyric on "While I'm Still Here" because he was the original emo.

[eversonpoe]

i really get annoyed by this myth and idea people cling on to that age automatically makes you less angry, or that once you're a certain age or get married or have kids suddenly you become all kinds of happy all the time! It's just ridiculous, I think Trent said it best in I do not want this - "don't you tell me how I feel"?

I read a really annoying review of Hesitation Marks on this theme that was suggesting he wrote about chilling in the garden with his wife and kids digging the vegetables - like does this guy really think Trent does his own gardening?? also he seemed to be saying he should write country music because of marriage and kids - what?

i agree, although i would think trent maybe does do his own gardening. at least vegetables. seems like the kinda guy who would want to have a hand in creating the food that goes into his meals. also, i just like imagining him in crocs and a sun hat (with a black t-shirt and his low-crotch shorts), drinking some lemonade and holding a trowel.
but i'm pretty fucking weird, i guess.

[Halo Infinity]

It's really depressing to visit the official NIN forums. It's a grave yard. Rob n' the gang seemed to forget about that supposed update. I doubt that it'll happen. At least ETS is here, and very active.
I'm actually still hoping that it gets deleted and replaced with a new forum that's more similar to today's ETS. Even if nothing has been happening at NIN.com in regards to message board changes for quite a while, that still wasn't completely ruled out as a possibility.

[screwdriver]

Country music is home to some of the most depressed, miserable shit in the world. Trent referenced a Hank Williams lyric on "While I'm Still Here" because he was the original emo.

and also on "all the love in the world"

[HurtinMinorKey]

I was on the Spiral forums from the beginning, and lurked ETS around 06, posting periodically. When The Spiral closed down and changed to nin.com forums, I moved to ETS permanently.

Anyone remember burningsoulsforum? That finally died sometime last year, but it was pretty active from 01-08.

[Halo Infinity]

i really get annoyed by this myth and idea people cling on to that age automatically makes you less angry, or that once you're a certain age or get married or have kids suddenly you become all kinds of happy all the time! It's just ridiculous, I think Trent said it best in I do not want this - "don't you tell me how I feel"?
Another part of that is the belief that maturity also eliminates all anger and depression, which obviously isn't true. That's what I've also thought of it as well.


I read a really annoying review of Hesitation Marks on this theme that was suggesting he wrote about chilling in the garden with his wife and kids digging the vegetables - like does this guy really think Trent does his own gardening?? also he seemed to be saying he should write country music because of marriage and kids - what?
Yeah, I don't get it either. :p

[WorzelG]

Country music is home to some of the most depressed, miserable shit in the world. Trent referenced a Hank Williams lyric on "While I'm Still Here" because he was the original emo.
I guess my knowledge of country music was gleaned from a programme called Americas top 10 narrated by the late Casey Kasem where the top few records seemed to be by country acts we'd never heard of in the UK and were always interminably boring to me aged 13! I liked islands in the stream I suppose, but never delved deep into it

[screwdriver]

i really get annoyed by this myth and idea people cling on to that age automatically makes you less angry, or that once you're a certain age or get married or have kids suddenly you become all kinds of happy all the time! It's just ridiculous, I think Trent said it best in I do not want this - "don't you tell me how I feel"?

I read a really annoying review of Hesitation Marks on this theme that was suggesting he wrote about chilling in the garden with his wife and kids digging the vegetables - like does this guy really think Trent does his own gardening?? also he seemed to be saying he should write country music because of marriage and kids - what?

you know what it is? people with kids and stuff don't have enough time to wallow in their misery the way people without do, so it just gives the appearance otherwise

[Sarah K]

Actual depression isn't a "choice".

[screwdriver]

Actual depression isn't a "choice".

no, but you can choose to try and work on it

if I'm being charitable to caro, I think that's what they were trying to say

either way, this is a more complicated thing than I know how to deal with, and as someone who struggles with truly crippling depression himself, it's a fine line

[Sarah K]

Okay. I'll take my facepalm back.

I spent yesterday crying so I'm most likely bitchy today.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Actual depression isn't a "choice".

I'd argue that choice is an illusion. All of our actions are determined by our genetics and/or environmental stimulus.

[screwdriver]

I'd argue that choice is an illusion. All of our actions are determined by our genetics and/or environmental stimulus.

cool story, bro

[Vertigo]

Nothing is real, but in a totalitarian state you can still get hung about it.

(Iranian fiiields forevuh)

[Halo Infinity]

High school just finished for me 10 years ago to this very day in June 25, 2004. (It would've been 11 years ago in June 25, 2003, if I got along with school better, since I was born in 1985.)

There was only Pretty Hate Machine up to The Fragile, as everybody would know, but the nostalgia is strong with me right now. :p Even if I only became a fan in late 2002, it definitely was quite the ride for the last half of high school, and why all of those releases give me high school memories.

[sick among the pure]

I haven't been around that long. Didn't even really check out NIN's website, despite them being my favorite band, until The Slip came out and I gave it a peek.

I started downloading random NIN songs and remixes and remixes that were actually done by Danny but attributed to NIN in the golden age of Napster, right around 2000/2001. Got really into it, and wanted to buy a few cds. Then I scoured the internet for info around the time nin.com was starting to go into bleedthrough mode. Found the hotline around the same time I think, and just kinda regularly checked things until everything started happening. Joined The Spiral initially for the ticket benefits, and The Spiral just kinda got me into the idea of being part of a NIN based forum, so I started lurking ETS too since it was older and so had more back information.

I consider myself a new fan, even though I started collecting 12-13 years ago.

[icecream]

I started downloading random NIN songs and remixes and remixes that were actually done by Danny but attributed to NIN in the golden age of Napster, right around 2000/2001. Got really into it, and wanted to buy a few cds. Then I scoured the internet for info around the time nin.com was starting to go into bleedthrough mode. Found the hotline around the same time I think, and just kinda regularly checked things until everything started happening. Joined The Spiral initially for the ticket benefits, and The Spiral just kinda got me into the idea of being part of a NIN based forum, so I started lurking ETS too since it was older and so had more back information.

I consider myself a new fan, even though I started collecting 12-13 years ago.
That's awesome! I was in middle school around the time WT came out. A friend played me Closer because he thought the lyrics were funny. That's where my NIN story starts. Quickly tried to get all the albums but couldn't get Broken or PHM. I didn't know what Linewire or Napster was.

[Fangster_]

Been daydreamin' about a set opening with The Way Out is Through into Copy of a. I want that.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I hope that Trent sticks with Ally/Robin/Ilan for future tours (whenever that will be).

[Kyle]

I hope that Trent sticks with Ally/Robin/Ilan for future tours (whenever that will be).
I hope it's just Trent and five backup singers singing acapella. With the tour including a five night residence in Bill's basement.

[Ryan]

With the tour including a five night residence in Bill's basement.



http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le4cjvtZzP1qba0lw.jpg

[Charmingly Miserable]

I wouldn't mind having the girls back on tour. I think they brought out the best in NIN live.

[fillow]

He can also hire a girl bassist! Check with Corgan for references.

[eversonpoe]

He can also hire a girl bassist! Check with Corgan for references.

i know you were referencing the pumpkins, but for some reason, when you said girl bassist, i imagined kim deal from the pixies joining NIN, but still dressing the way she usually does (plaid button-up & jeans) and it made me giggle.

[hani]

about the bassists, I wonder if any of the past ones will make a return, Finck style. I'd imagine Jeordie is a no-no since Manson holds him in his paws, but seeing JMJ would be cool though

[sick among the pure]

Regarding future tours, as long as he keeps bringing Robin back, the band can consist of anyone else. I've loved every drummer I've seen, ~most~ every bassist, and Ally is the only keys/synth/electronic weird stuff member I've seen, and I like him too. Any incarnation of the live band is fine with me so long as Robin is there.

[fillow]

i know you were referencing the pumpkins, but for some reason, when you said girl bassist, i imagined kim deal from the pixies joining NIN, but still dressing the way she usually does (plaid button-up & jeans) and it made me giggle.
Not just Pumpkins, but all BC projects (since he also had Paz in Zwan and Linda Strawberry on Future Embrace tour)

[eversonpoe]

Not just Pumpkins, but all BC projects (since he also had Paz in Zwan and Linda Strawberry on Future Embrace tour)

too true!

i felt like paz fit better in APC than she did in zwan, though. she seemed really nervous around billy, as opposed to how comfortable and confident she seemed in APC. wonder if billy has power-struggle issues with his bassists?

realistically, though, melissa auf der mar would be a perfect NIN bassist.

[botley]

Gail Ann Dorsey >>>

[elevenism]

the whole tension thing reminded me of something Bowie would pull, and the fact that Trent pulled it off utterly fascinates me.
that line of thinking leads me to believe that we might see him try pretty much anything down the road, and i don't see him stagnating.
it also makes me kind of proud of myself for thinking that broken was genius 22...HOLY shit, 22 years ago.

[Charmingly Miserable]

since I was born in 1985
I know how old you are....


Gail Ann Dorsey >>>
You think that Bowie would ever give her up?

[Halo Infinity]

I know how old you are....
I've also mentioned my age in this thread, which also gets everybody else to mention their ages through Pretty Hate Machine. :p

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2969-How-old-were-you-when-Pretty-Hate-Machine-came-out

[botley]

You think that Bowie would ever give her up?
She's a free agent. He hasn't toured in ten years.

[icecream]

She's a free agent. He hasn't toured in ten years.
She still played on The Next Day. And didn't someone close to Bowie say he plans on releasing a few more albums?

[Charmingly Miserable]

He hasn't toured in ten years.

Totally forgot about that. Man, do I feel dumb now.

[botley]

She still played on The Next Day. And didn't someone close to Bowie say he plans on releasing a few more albums?
Let's hope so. I just don't think he'll be touring again, certainly not on the scale he used to do.

[nooneimportant]

The more I listen to Everything, the more it sounds like a NIN song, particularly from the With Teeth era. It does piss me off that we'll never get a video or a potential live performance because fan reaction soured Trent.

[FernandoDante]

He can also hire a girl bassist! Check with Corgan for references.
I was thinking about girl bassists today, and who started the trend, and also who could Trent hire if he were to get a woman to play bass.

Did The Talking Heads start it? I'm not even sure if Smashing Pumpkins, Pixies and Sonic Youth are that influenced by them to begin with.



ANYWAY, I just saw this thing called TubeSynch. It lets you create a channel out of existing YouTube/Vimeo/whatever videos, then stream them 24/7 like an instant nostalgia for something that not even MTV ever was. Thinking of starting a NIN-related one, what do you think?

[icecream]

Let's hope so. I just don't think he'll be touring again, certainly not on the scale he used to do.
Yeah, I guess now a days you can record with people around the world. She could easily record on Bowie's follow up album and tour with NIN.

[Fangster_]

I'll spare the confessions thread.

I confess that my favorite leisure for the past couple of days when my flatmates have been out of the house, has been singing With Teeth from the over-the-top of my lungs.

UHHHH-WITTTHH-AHH-TEEETTTHHHH-UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[pigpen]

I was thinking about girl bassists today, and who started the trend, and also who could Trent hire if he were to get a woman to play bass.

Did The Talking Heads start it? I'm not even sure if Smashing Pumpkins, Pixies and Sonic Youth are that influenced by them to begin with.

Gaye Advert was a pretty early female bass player.. not sure if she was the first, but I assume she was one of them..

[Stereo75]

Ordered the 3 poster bundle from nin.com. Arrived a day shy of 2 weeks! Got the 15_06_2005 Berlin, the 08_07_2005 Birmingham & the 14_11_2005 Winnipeg (where I live) posters. Nice to get the Peg' poster, as the one I already have has a coffee spill on it. I'd try my luck again, but they'd probably send another one - heh heh. All in all, a very positive experience:D.

[Frozen Beach]

and also who could Trent hire if he were to get a woman to play bass.

Paz Lenchantin. She'd fit right in.

[botley]

Pixies have her for the foreseeable future. I think she fits in very well there, too!

[Frozen Beach]

Pixies have her for the foreseeable future. I think she fits in very well there, too!
Oh yeah, I forgot. I kind of grew used to just seeing her with The Entrance Band.

Speaking of Pixies, I've never actually listened to them. It's probably my biggest musical sin.

[Omega]

The NIN forum is a ghost town, no? Seems like ETS is more active. Where are all the fans who like to chat about NIN? He got married and crush everyone's dreams, or? Cause NIN is still 1,000000,000000,00000 ##(_00,,,000000 times better than pretty much anything playing today.

[icecream]

The NIN forum is a ghost town, no? Seems like ETS is more active. Where are all the fans who like to chat about NIN? He got married and crush everyone's dreams, or? Cause NIN is still 1,000000,000000,00000 ##(_00,,,000000 times better than pretty much anything playing today.
The NIN.com forums died after the Wave Goodbye tour and everyone thought we wouldn't see NIN again for a long long time. Even the band has kinda abandoned the forums, I don't think you can register for new accounts.

[sick among the pure]

The NIN.com forums died after the Wave Goodbye tour and everyone thought we wouldn't see NIN again for a long long time. Even the band has kinda abandoned the forums, I don't think you can register for new accounts.

No new accounts, and the forum isn't linked to from the nin.com main page, so you can only access it by bookmark or typing in the url of the forum.
The forums were supposed to get an overhaul back when nin.com was cleaned up a while back, but was kinda left to die.

[icecream]

Yeah, it's a sad sight

[Ryan]

No new accounts, and the forum isn't linked to from the nin.com main page, so you can only access it by bookmark or typing in the url of the forum.
The forums were supposed to get an overhaul back when nin.com was cleaned up a while back, but was kinda left to die.

They simply know how awesome ETS and ninwiki are and probably don't see a need for another one.

All you need is right here.

[sick among the pure]

They simply know how awesome ETS and ninwiki are and probably don't see a need for another one.

All you need is right here.


When nin.com first linked to ninwiki, I got the biggest grin on my face. Didn't they link to ETS too? I can't really remember, and the "links" page has since been removed.

[Ryan]

I think they might have.

[Krazy]

You can google "NIN forum" and the first link is to the NIN.com forums. That's right, ETS is NOT the first one.

<--------- goes and buries head in sand

[Ryan]

You can google "NIN forum" and the first link is to the NIN.com forums. That's right, ETS is NOT the first one.

<--------- goes and buries head in sand


:krazyryan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/ras_rbg/Vesti/gtfo.gif

[Ryan]

Are the lyrics to Where Is Everybody? the longest amount of lyrics in a NIN song?

>>

Did you happen to catch
Or did it happen so fast
What you thought would always last
Has passed you by
Is everything speeding up
Or am I slowing down
Just spinning around
And I don't know why
All the pieces don't fit
Thought I really didn't give a shit
I never wanted to be like you
But for all I aspire
I am really a liar
And I'm running out of things I can do

I'd like to stay
But every day
Everything pushes me further away
If you could show
Help me to know
How it's supposed to be
Where did it go?

Pleading and
Needing and
Bleeding and
Breeding and
Feeding
Exceeding
Where is everybody?
Trying and
Lying
Defying
Denying
Crying and
Dying
Where is everybody?

Well, okay, enough
You've had your fun
But come on there has got to be someone
That hasn't yet become
So numb
And succumb
And
God damn I am so tired of pretending
Of wishing I was ending
When all I'm really doing is trying to hide
And keep it inside
And fill it with lies
Open my eyes?
Maybe I wish I could try

Pleading and
Needing and
Bleeding and
Breeding and
Feeding
Exceeding
Where is everybody?
Trying and
Lying
Defying
Denying
Crying and
Dying
Where is everybody?

[Omega]

The NIN.com forums died after the Wave Goodbye tour and everyone thought we wouldn't see NIN again for a long long time. Even the band has kinda abandoned the forums, I don't think you can register for new accounts.

Why did the band abandon the forums? Because the fans abandoned? Why wouldn't they come back after he did? Like awesome, NIN is back! Sad. ETS is more active than NIN forums..I mean there ain't anyone there.

[annosnake]

Are the lyrics to Where Is Everybody? the longest amount of lyrics in a NIN song?
Hm, seems like they really are! I remember when I've been doing a NIN songbook it filled almost four pages – more than any other song did.

[WorzelG]

Just been watching a Woodstock YouTube vid, and I didn't realise the intro went on for so long. It's great. i'm a real sucker for dramatic build ups

[TheBang]

That was about the typical length for the Pinion intro during that tour.

[WorzelG]

All this talk on Trent Reznor smiling has reminded me of this again. It really is one of my most favorite/shortest clips of Trent, ever. :)
]
Some guy on youtube has put up another few videos that look like from this MTV thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjo603JKYKE
Very ironic statement about not wanting to be doing this when he's 40! Why do bands always say stuff like this?

[WorzelG]

Sorry for double post but you can't embed more than one video for some reason. Never seen this before either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4RCHu6Qbms

[icecream]

Why did the band abandon the forums? Because the fans abandoned? Why wouldn't they come back after he did? Like awesome, NIN is back! Sad. ETS is more active than NIN forums..I mean there ain't anyone there.
They updated the site but never got around to the forum. You would have to ask Trent/Rob.

[fillow]

the way he says 'aaaaand'... hasn't changed a bit.

[TheBang]

Why did the band abandon the forums? Because the fans abandoned? Why wouldn't they come back after he did? Like awesome, NIN is back! Sad. ETS is more active than NIN forums..I mean there ain't anyone there.
This was the last word on the forums, and nothing ever happened after that:

http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?40,1445734,1445734#msg-1445734

[Omega]

I remember that interview or a interview with him saying he didn't want to be touring after a certain age...that's why I thought Wave Goodbye was it. Lol, my spouse was like, 'You don't really believe he's done for good, do you? He will be back'. I said, 'He's done, there was an interview of him saying he would be done after a certain age, it's over'. Reply, 'He's not done, you watch', laughing and smiling. I was like nooooo, it's over, that was it. Lol, spouse was right:).

[Ryan]

the way he says 'aaaaand'... hasn't changed a bit.

Trent should do one whole concert where any time the word "and" in a lyric comes up, he has to sing it in spoken word exactly like that.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Are the lyrics to Where Is Everybody? the longest amount of lyrics in a NIN song?


That reminded me that Where Is Everybody would make a great rap cover. Someone needs to jump on that shit.

[WorzelG]

Trent should do one whole concert where any time the word "and" in a lyric comes up, he has to sing it in spoken word exactly like that.
As long as he has to play Where is Everybody

[Your Name Here]

What time zone do you think NIN plays better in?

[kel]

As long as he has to play Where is Everybody
i hate that fucking song and all it's cheesy ass present participle rhyming.

[Ryan]

As long as he has to play Where is Everybody

Haha that would be amazing. Love the song and there are so many "aaaaaaand"s.



i hate that fucking song and all it's cheesy ass present participle rhyming.



http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5350/8759132035_ac16a4c70f.jpg

[Frozen Beach]

The remix is better.

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

This was the last word on the forums, and nothing ever happened after that:

http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?40,1445734,1445734#msg-1445734
Here we are 13 months later, but is it too optimistic to think they've just been busier than expected and had to put the migration on the back burner? As in, "soon"?

(Though if it were me, I'd have reopened user registrations and relinked from nin.com in the meantime.)

[TheBang]

Here we are 13 months later, but is it too optimistic to think they've just been busier than expected and had to put the migration on the back burner? As in, "soon"?

(Though if it were me, I'd have reopened user registrations and relinked from nin.com in the meantime.)
I think it's just a matter of 1) priorities; this just does not rate at all, and 2) out of sight, out of mind.

[icecream]

Ryan
Here is a list of NIN songs and word count according to NIN wiki and some word counter online

Pretty Hate Machine, 1,879


Head Like a Hole, 193
Terrible Lie, 223
Down in it, 257
Sanctified, 200
Something I Can Never Have, 230
Kinda I Want to, 192
Sin, 140
That's What I Get, 96
The Only Time, 173
Ringfinger, 175


Broken, 804


Pinion
Wish, 167
Last, 292
Help me I'm in Hell
Happiness in Slavery, 181
Gave Up, 164


The Downward Spiral, 2072


Mr. Self Destruct, 256
Piggy, 112
Heresy, 124
March of the Pigs, 201
Closer, 197
Ruiner, 238
The Becoming, 196
I do not Want This, 285
Big Man With A Gun, 114
A Warm Place
Eraser, 24
Reptile, 107
The Downward Spiral, 59
Hurt, 159


Burn, 187
The Perfect Drug, 189


The Fragile, Left 1441, Right 1028,2469


Somewhat Damaged, 193
The Day the World Went Away, 70
The Frail
The Wretched, 248
We're in this Together, 284
The Fragile, 129
Just Like You Imagined
Even Deeper, 223
Pilgrimage
No, You Don't, 141
La Mer, 31 (French)
The Great Below, 122


The Way Out is Through, 28
Into the Void, 93
Where is Everybody, 218
The Mark Has Been Made
Please, 155
Starfuckers, Inc. 186
Complication
I'm looking Forward to Joining YouFinally, 136
The Big Comedown, 157
Underneath it All, 55
Ripe (With Decay)


Still


And All that Could Have Been, 166


With Teeth, 2338


All the Love in the World, 106
You Know What You Are?, 145
The Collector, 209
The Hand that Feeds, 189
Love is Not Enough, 204
Everyday is Exactly the Same, 210
With Teeth, 110
Only, 228
Getting Smaller, 227
Sunspots, 220
The Line Begins to Blur, 182
Beside You in Time, 77
Right Where it Belongs, 231


Home, 129


Year Zero, 2515


HYPERPOWER!
The Beginning of the End, 144
Survivalism, 223
The Good Soldier, 148
Vessel, 146
Me, I'm Not, 140
Capital G, 240
My Violent Heart, 206
The Warning, 120
God Given, 328
Meet Your Master, 205
The Greater Good, 39
The Great Destroyer, 114
Another Version of the Truth
In This Twilight, 158
Zero-Sum, 304


The Slip, 928


999,999
1,000,000, 167
Letting You, 141
Discipline, 122
Echoplex, 137
Head Down, 130
Lights in the Sky, 127
Corona Radiata
The Four of us are Dying
Demon Seed, 104


Hesitation Marks, 1903


The Eater of Dreams
Copy of A, 228
Came Back Haunted, 172
Find My Way, 127
All Time Low, 224
Disappointed, 105
Everything, 102
Satellite, 104
Various Methods of Escape, 184
Running, 182
I Would For You, 144
In Two, 173
While I'm Still Here, 158
Black Noise

[sheepdean]

icecream you forgot Ghosts, with all that whispering there must be at LEAST ten words :P

[Ryan]

Looks like God Given wins, then Last.

[icecream]

I tried to make it as accurate as possible, cutting out bits printed but not sung etc... Words or phrases repeated multiple times like, "Terrible Lie" during the chorus of the song would be counted as two words even thought it is sung many times during each chorus. Or the end of All the Love in the World is only counted once. Everyone cool with that?

And I didn't count covers, no Suck or Get Down Make Love.

If there are songs I missed, and I know there are, just let me know and I can add them.

[sheepdean]

I think Fragile should include all tracks - Appendage, 10 Miles High and The New Flesh all have lyrics after all.

And as annoying as it is, really contractions are two words, so a few songs have more (Zero Sum especially, as the listed "all we've done" is sung as "we have"). But generally the list is a-ok, interesting how the only 300+ word songs are from Year Zero, the album that's telling a defined story.


Though if we counted unsung lyrics of With Teeth, I'm sure a few of those would bump past too.

[sweeterthan]

Looks like God Given wins, then Last.

They win anyway.

Does suck still count as a cover? He wrote it. Pigface just borrowed it for a bit.

[GibbonBlack]

Looks like God Given wins

Even with the colour of it's skin?

[icecream]

Sheepdan, I'll add those tonight. Totally forgot about those.

[sheepdean]

Does suck still count as a cover? He wrote it. Pigface just borrowed it for a bit.
I say yes, he didn't write all of it and changed significant portions of it

[FULLMETAL]

If TR met Stephen Hawking, would the duration of "soon" change to be longer or shorter, or would it remain the same? This is the thought that popped into my head as I prepare for the holiday weekend and the concerts in just over two weeks time.

[Ryan]

They win anyway.

Does suck still count as a cover? He wrote it. Pigface just borrowed it for a bit.

Did he? Why is it always called a cover then?

[sheepdean]

Did he? Why is it always called a cover then?
Pigface wrote the song, because Pigface is a bunch of musicians ever-changing. Trent wrote the lyrics though. Not the first band to cover a song from a previous one though.

[Ryan]

Pigface wrote the song, because Pigface is a bunch of musicians ever-changing. Trent wrote the lyrics though. Not the first band to cover a song from a previous one though.

Oh cool, I didn't think he wrote the lyrics. Glad to know he did.

[sheepdean]

Oh cool, I didn't think he wrote the lyrics. Glad to know he did.
From Martin Atkins' facebook,
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/r270/p526x296/1074878_10200276387647622_1482119594_o.jpg

[sweeterthan]

From Martin Atkins' facebook,
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/r270/p526x296/1074878_10200276387647622_1482119594_o.jpg

I would pay a pretty penny for those hand written lyrics.

[Fangster_]

You know when the lyrics sound just right in the context of the song, but written down like that just give you the weirds.

How does it feel? SUCK SUCK SUCK

[MrSlfDstruct]

You know when the lyrics sound just right in the context of the song, but written down like that just give you the weirds.

How does it feel? SUCK SUCK SUCK

Just think about getting an anonymous note with just the last four lines. Creepy as fuh.

[sheepdean]

Anyone else really prefer the semi-rare live alteration, "I'm Jesus fucked on ecstasy"? I feel like it works better with the passion (and meaning) of the song

[slave2thewage]

Anyone else really prefer the semi-rare live alteration, "I'm Jesus fucked on ecstasy"? I feel like it works better with the passion (and meaning) of the song
It's not that rare. 90% of the times that I've heard Suck live, he's sang that version.

Also, this just popped up on my Tumblr dash and I would seriously love to have this on a shirt:
https://38.media.tumblr.com/d35afb0b09bb48b8d8db25a9d0797a65/tumblr_n82klz78YS1rw4w9fo1_500.jpg

[sweeterthan]

^^^Yeah that's great. I'd like a poster.

[pinata89]

Also, this just popped up on my Tumblr dash and I would seriously love to have this on a shirt:
https://38.media.tumblr.com/d35afb0b09bb48b8d8db25a9d0797a65/tumblr_n82klz78YS1rw4w9fo1_500.jpg

Yeah, that would be tight with some Broken-era color scheming.....minus the [3x] part.

[Halo Infinity]

Fireworks always seem to remind me of this video on YouTube whenever it came to random NIN thoughts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbXdMe6T38

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Yeah, that would be tight with some Broken-era color scheming.....minus the [3x] part.
I'd also put the biggest "Wake up" last.

[Fangster_]

EDIT: oops, move this to questions please.

Anybody have a decent vector image of the Sin-NIN logo? My friend (or maybe my ex whom I'm getting hot with again) is getting a tattoo of it and needs a good reference picture. This one below is the best I could find, and really, it's quite awful. All them filled spaces and curvy lines, just no.

I am actually on Illustrator myself right now making one by hand from the original shit-quality artwork, but if there's a chance I wouldn't have to do all this work, that'd be like, GREAT.

http://i62.tinypic.com/1254xw3.jpg

[sheepdean]

A wee bit larger here, my scanner is out or I'd just scan my CD for ya http://common.nincatalog.com/itemimages/01-00406-d1.jpg

[Halo Infinity]

I'm probably not alone here, but for quite some time, I've thought that songs like The Collector, Every Day Is Exactly The Same, Getting Smaller, and The Line Begins To Blur can be very relatable to some people's experiences in schools and workplaces. As for other songs outside of With Teeth, perhaps that can sometimes be the case with Down In It, Last, Happiness In Slavery, Echoplex, and Copy Of A.

The love and appreciation of With Teeth has also cheered me up over the past few years here. :)

[implanted_microchip]

I'm probably not alone here, but for quite some time, I've thought that songs like The Collector, Every Day Is Exactly The Same, Getting Smaller, and The Line Begins To Blur can be very relatable to some people's experiences in schools and workplaces. As for other songs outside of With Teeth, perhaps that can sometimes be the case with Down In It, Last, Happiness In Slavery, Echoplex, and Copy Of A.

The love and appreciation of With Teeth has also cheered me up over the past few years here. :)

Yeah, a lot of W_T, Broken and whatnot deal with the monotony of the everyday, sometimes it being addiction cycles, or relationships, or work or what have you, I've always felt that a lot of With Teeth is about that. Just that numbness that comes with the repetition of whatever it is that's at hand. Even on Year Zero, The Greater Good kind of mirrors that with the sense of slow indoctrination that just absorbs you in the constant loop.

[kel]

i love the garage rock feel of w_t. it was very much what i was listening to at the time -- the faint, the rapture, that kinda stuff.

[nooneimportant]

Every Day Is Exactly The Same reminds me of school, now that you mention it. Middle school specifically. Fuck that time.

[kel]

you're crazy young.

[sick among the pure]

you're crazy young.

I actually kinda love that NIN fans span such a wide age range. Goes to prove it's not just "angsty teens". I feel like a young fan, I'll be 30 pretty soon. I mean, when you're only 3 years older than the band you love, that's kinda weird, isn't it?

[InnerLondon Skywave]

i heard this way back in 2003 but what strikes me is how perfect they go together.
50 Cent's lyrics fit in perfectly it sounds almost genuine, smooth, slick and sexy. Closer sound's like Dirty South hip hop here. weird.
Im not normally into these mashups, some of them are frankly creepy(closer to spice!!!). but this is real good!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weHQsAJ89pY

[Microwave Jellyfish]

I'm probably not alone here, but for quite some time, I've thought that songs like The Collector, Every Day Is Exactly The Same, Getting Smaller, and The Line Begins To Blur can be very relatable to some people's experiences in schools and workplaces. As for other songs outside of With Teeth, perhaps that can sometimes be the case with Down In It, Last, Happiness In Slavery, Echoplex, and Copy Of A.

The love and appreciation of With Teeth has also cheered me up over the past few years here. :)
Isn't EDIETS about committing suicide, or at least cutting yourself in a mental institution, though? Always thought the lyrics become pretty damn specific once we hit the "writing on a little piece of paper" part.

[Khrz]

I always thought this part related to the "slipping in an alternate reality" theme that was the basis for Bleedthrough before it was scrapped altogether and turned into With_Teeth.

[botley]

I always thought this part related to the "slipping in an alternate reality" theme that was the basis for Bleedthrough before it was scrapped altogether and turned into With_Teeth.
And Year Zero. Both albums were conceived from the same concept.

[sick among the pure]

And Year Zero. Both albums were conceived from the same concept.

Did Trent ever talk in detail about how the concept went from WT (and possibly started in BleedThrough?) to YZ? I mean, I know the basics, about the "changing package" and "essay" and song titles that weren't songs on WT. I would be really interested in hearing more about it.

[wizfan]

Which are, in your opinion, the most danceable NIN remixes? My faves are:

Running (Cold Cave)
Only (Richard X)
The Hand That Feeds (DFA)
Gave Up (Coil/Danny Hyde - the Uncoiled ones)
My Violent Heart (Pirate Robot Midget)
The Perfect Drug (Aphrodite)
Ruiner (Charlie Clouser)
Happiness in Slavery (Trent/Vrenna/P.K.)
Piggy (Nothing Can Stop Me Now) (Rick Rubin)

Take off your shirt and dance!

[nooneimportant]

you're crazy young.

I'm 23.

I'm just saying the lyrical content reminds me of how I was feeling in 2002/2003. I was just going through the motions back then and I've had this feeling several times since then. I really like the song, but the lyrics are just depressing. Trent really knows how to hit the nail on the head.

I became a NIN fan in 2008 thanks to the Year Zero ARG. Really intrigued me, and the music intrigued me even further.

[kel]

you are. and i get it, i do. and i love that there are lots of wt-era (i know, you're post-wt, but still) fans here. that was a really exciting time and, if i remember correctly, the board blew up with new members. i had just spent the night in the reno airport after the second wt warmup show at the hilton.

a REALLY exciting time.

[Halo Infinity]

That reminded me that Where Is Everybody would make a great rap cover. Someone needs to jump on that shit.
I'm sure that this would definitely count as a controversial post in ETS, but I could actually picture Linkin Park making a good cover of Where Is Everybody?. I was even more surprised that they went for Wish instead of songs like Down In It and Starfuckers, Inc., or just about any other song from Pretty Hate Machine or The Fragile back in 2004.

[Halo Infinity]

Isn't EDIETS about committing suicide, or at least cutting yourself in a mental institution, though? Always thought the lyrics become pretty damn specific once we hit the "writing on a little piece of paper" part.
I was mostly going by the overall vibes the songs have left me with, as opposed to an actual lyrical interpretation. I certainly see what you mean though, as I've read about some parts of With Teeth addressing and expressing Trent's experiences in rehab.

[nooneimportant]

you are. and i get it, i do. and i love that there are lots of wt-era (i know, you're post-wt, but still) fans here. that was a really exciting time and, if i remember correctly, the board blew up with new members. i had just spent the night in the reno airport after the second wt warmup show at the hilton.

a REALLY exciting time.

It really does seem like it was a great time, especially considering the gap between albums. 1999 to 2005, and Trent had been out of the spotlight for quite awhile defeating his demons and whatnot.

[kel]

I'm sure that this would definitely count as a controversial post in ETS, but I could actually picture Linkin Park making a good cover of Where Is Everybody?. I was even more surprised that they went for Wish instead of songs like Down In It and Starfuckers, Inc., or just about any other song from Pretty Hate Machine or The Fragile back in 2004.
agreed. the NEEDING/FEEDING/ETC thing is just corny enough ...

[Halo Infinity]

Bringing up Limp Bizkit in the NIN Confessions and Random NIN Questions threads kept reminding me of this moment. :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKZNzzMd58

[WorzelG]

Bringing up Limp Bizkit in the NIN Confessions and Random NIN Questions threads kept reminding me of this moment. :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKZNzzMd58
I love Beavis and Butthead in the crowd saying 'that guy sucks' about Fred Durst

[Charmingly Miserable]

It's Ilan's birthday and I'm nowhere near him to personally wish him a happy birthday. *sighs*

[hani]

It's Ilan's birthday and I'm nowhere near him to personally wish him a happy birthday. *sighs*

write him a comment on instagram

[Halo Infinity]

The question "What's a NIN?" has been asked to me before in real life. It's usually "What's NIN?" or "What does NIN mean?" though. Even only after hearing those questions a few times, it's what always made me want to say and write Nine Inch Nails whenever I happen to bring up NIN for the first time around.

-Edit-

I also forgot to mention that "What's a NIN?" reminded me of this. :p

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg9q4akTck1qzjb28o1_500.jpg

[sheepdean]

Kris I own a "What's a NIN?" t shirt purely for annoying people

[Microwave Jellyfish]

Packing my stuff around here, I just found an AATCHB CD I bought sometime during the last few weeks.

Apparently.

I honestly don't remember the place or time I got it. Strange. This is the first time it happened to me with any entertainment purchase. But it was a pleasant surprise to realize I own it.

[Halo Infinity]

I always thought it was a sort of cool coincidence to see how my age matched some of the halo numbers. I would've matched more of them if I was born a lot earlier in the year though. I also still thought the idea for numbering the releases with the word halo was sort of cool as well. It was also nice to see how the idea came from Depeche Mode's STUMM for albums and BONG for singles. I was also about to ask about the idea for the halos until I looked it up... hence reminding me yet again to always consult NINWiki first.

http://www.ninwiki.com/Halo_numbers

[Charmingly Miserable]

i heard this way back in 2003 but what strikes me is how perfect they go together.
50 Cent's lyrics fit in perfectly it sounds almost genuine, smooth, slick and sexy. Closer sound's like Dirty South hip hop here. weird.
Im not normally into these mashups, some of them are frankly creepy(closer to spice!!!). but this is real good!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weHQsAJ89pY
Trent played a mashup of this when Ilan turned 21.

[TheBang]

Trent played a mashup of this when Ilan turned 21.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX1IwvFi690

[implanted_microchip]

I'd love to see Suck make a comeback live; it got played a ton for quite some time and then what, got played at one festival last year? It would've fit really well with the "deep groove" sound Trent was going for on Tension.

[Halo Infinity]

As of right now, I think this is how I'd rank all of the Nine Inch Nails albums that were released after The Fragile. I also surprised myself a bit as I ended up listening to Ghosts I-IV more than The Slip this time around.

1. Hesitation Marks
2. With Teeth
3. Year Zero
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. The Slip

[jmtd]

"WhoSampled" is full of lies: http://www.whosampled.com/Nine-Inch-Nails/
Someone (or ones) with too much time on their hands could do some clean up there. Loads and loads of examples where a song reference is mis-attributed as a "sample".

[HurtinMinorKey]

As of right now, I think this is how I'd rank all of the Nine Inch Nails albums that were released after The Fragile. I also surprised myself a bit as I ended up listening to Ghosts I-IV more than The Slip this time around.

1. Hesitation Marks
2. With Teeth
3. Year Zero
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. The Slip

1. Year Zero
2. The Slip
3. With Teeth
4. Hesitation Marks
5. Ghosts

[gorast]

1. With Teeth
2. Ghosts I-IV
3. Hesitation Marks
4. Year Zero
5. The Slip

3 and 4 are pretty much tied, though.

[screwdriver]

prompted by Deadmau5's album, I went back to Still for the first time in ... YEARS. Holy hell that is some good stuff. I'm not as much of a fan of "stripped down" stuff as a lot of people seem to be, but I don't really think that album is that stripped down. there's some insane stuff going on on the instrumentals, and they have a focus that doesn't really feel there on 85% of Ghosts (to me)

that said, while I loved and still love And All That Could Have Been, listening to it with fresh ears I realized JUST how much of a Hurt re-tread it is -- a really good one, but a re-tread -- and understood why it didn't make the Fragile cut

[seasonsinthesky]

that said, while I loved and still love And All That Could Have Been, listening to it with fresh ears I realized JUST how much of a Hurt re-tread it is -- a really good one, but a re-tread -- and understood why it didn't make the Fragile cut

i'm really not hearing that at all. they're both ballads, obviously, but the feel is completely different, not to mention the wildly different arrangements. the comparison is flabberghasting to me. are "The Way Out is Through" and "The Great Below" retreads of one another too? is "Beside You in Time" a retread of both? (BYIT and TWOIT are even the same tempo!) i don't get it. you'd have an easier time selling me on "Right Where It Belongs" being the "Hurt" retread or "Another Version of the Truth" retreading "The Frail," but i'd still strongly disagree.

actual retreads: large portions of YZ and The Slip + HTDA song formulas. i'm glad HM broke that cycle.

[Papagolash]

prompted by Deadmau5's album, I went back to Still for the first time in ... YEARS. Holy hell that is some good stuff. I'm not as much of a fan of "stripped down" stuff as a lot of people seem to be, but I don't really think that album is that stripped down. there's some insane stuff going on on the instrumentals, and they have a focus that doesn't really feel there on 85% of Ghosts (to me)

that said, while I loved and still love And All That Could Have Been, listening to it with fresh ears I realized JUST how much of a Hurt re-tread it is -- a really good one, but a re-tread -- and understood why it didn't make the Fragile cut

It didn't make the cut because the song wasn't finished yet.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Still is right up there for me. I wouldn't mind another stripped down album.

[Halo Infinity]

I'm usually around people that aren't into listening to albums and/or attending shows, and it seems like the majority of NIN fans are album/concert people. Another thing I still couldn't help but notice is how conversations about music in real life are sometimes, or even often tremendously different than the ones I've seen on ETS or almost any other forum for that matter. I'm still very impressed and overwhelmed at how knowledgeable people are about music here, aside from being album/concert people. (With most of them also collecting CDs and vinyl.)

I didn't know where else to post this, but I somehow managed to squeeze it in with a random NIN thought. ETS also has to be one of the forums with the best music section ever. One can certainly learn a lot just from lurking in it.

*This also isn't to say that there's anything wrong with not being into albums and/or concerts either. I'm not even a big concert person myself.*

[dominik]

Everytime Trent posts something on Facebook I'm wondering if people are really this ignorant.

Here is a selection of those highly motivating and thoughtful comments:

1. "When are you gonna colaberate with Manson again?!? And have a Nin/MM reunion tour."
2. "Ya right you been garbage since 04"
3. "meh. probably mediocre."

[sick among the pure]

I SAW #2 AND SPIT OUT MY WATER
(It was probably Bill)

"I hate everything you've done in the last 10 years but I'm following you on FB enough to be one of the first commenters when you put something up." :rolleyes:

[Vertigo]

There wasn't even a Facebook to follow him on when they thought he was still good.

[Yoshata]

I wish I could see his posts (not doing Facebook). I'm guessing it was something about Gone Girl?

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

1. Year Zero
2. Hesitation Marks
3. With Teeth
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. The Slip

[sick among the pure]

I wish I could see his posts (not doing Facebook). I'm guessing it was something about Gone Girl?
"This is feeling like our best work." with a screen cap of the credits.

[Halo Infinity]

As for Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile being ranked, it seems to have consistently remained the same to me for the most part.

1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. Broken

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

1. The Fragile / Still
2. The Downward Spiral / Further Down the Spiral
3. Broken
4. Pretty Hate Machine

I leave out Fixed and TFA (and YZR for that matter) because I don't think you need them to fully enjoy the originals.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I think the WT era were Trent's "model years." I mean, every photo from that era looks like was posing for a John Varvatos spread or something. Can anyone find that pic where he has an obvious amount of lipgloss on?

[sick among the pure]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/twizted_pixie/trent-reznor-hot.jpg
He's been posing like a model for years.
I am interested in "super lip gloss Reznor" though, if anyone has it?

[hani]

1. Hesitation Marks
2. The Slip
3. Year Zero
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. With Teeth

[Charmingly Miserable]

I am interested in "super lip gloss Reznor" though, if anyone has it?
This isn't the pic I was thinking of (or was it?) but I think there is even a bit of lipgloss and lip liner in this one.
http://i55.tinypic.com/11afhc4.jpg

[eversonpoe]

This isn't the pic I was thinking of (or was it?) but I think there is even a bit of lipgloss and lip liner in this one.
http://i55.tinypic.com/11afhc4.jpg

i always wondered if that was a reference to the album cover for "filth pig" by ministry.

[piggy]

I apologize if you already knew this, but it's from the Borat film poster/DVD cover.

[imail724]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/twizted_pixie/trent-reznor-hot.jpg
He's been posing like a model for years.
I am interested in "super lip gloss Reznor" though, if anyone has it?
Looks like he's channeling his inner-Morrissey

[SarahConnor]

Can anyone recommend some live recordings of the Tension tour?
I found the LA rehearsals but they don't feature Lisa, Charlotte and Pino.

[Halo Infinity]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/twizted_pixie/trent-reznor-hot.jpg
He's been posing like a model for years.
I am interested in "super lip gloss Reznor" though, if anyone has it?
This picture always seemed to remind me of the Down In It video.

[Swykk]

Year Zero
Hesitation Marks
With Teeth
The Slip
Ghosts

[TheBang]

This picture always seemed to remind me of the Down In It video.
I know you mean stylistically, but just from an appearance standpoint, Down In It was during his long-hair days. He shaved his head on the RevCo tour in 1990, so his short hair phase was from the Sin tour and throughout 1991. This probably would have been around Lollapalooza or so.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Watching the Vevo footage for the Blu-ray that was supposed to be available already (:p). The live drums on Copy of a are so fucking awesome. I can't wait to have this in, what I presume will be, DTS HDMA.

[Conan The Barbarian]

http://instagram.com/p/qc8ZUUNC4B/

Not much if a thought. But I found this to be extremely random.

[wizfan]

http://instagram.com/p/qc8ZUUNC4B/

Not much if a thought. But I found this to be extremely random.

Yeah, I've seen that too. It also appears at the end of When I'm Still Here.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Looks like he's channeling his inner-Morrissey

Dude, I nearly pissed on myself laughing.

I wonder what are Trent's thoughts on Moz? For some reason, I don't think a lunch date between the two would end well.

[butter_hole]

Rob hasnt used Twitter of any kind in over a month. U ok Rob? Where r u Rob?

[elevenism]

my thought is that i would like one of you merry pranksters to turn me on to extant pro shot tension shows, ones with different setlists than the vevo show.

thankee-sai

[BenAkenobi]

If you have already checked Reflecting In The Chrome Archive (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/), then none of us merry pranksters has anything to add

[elevenism]

If you have already checked Reflecting In The Chrome Archive (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/), then none of us merry pranksters has anything to add
i have, but can you point me to the good ones?

edit: nevermind...i found them.

[Halo Infinity]

While I'm aware and understand that it's highly unlikely to see Kinda I Want To, The Only Time and Ringfinger being performed live at a concert, it's still something I'd wish for, as they still seem to be among my most favorite Pretty Hate Machine songs live.

[Charmingly Miserable]

No. Just no.
http://instagram.com/p/qe6QuCBuy_/?modal=true

[sick among the pure]

No. Just no.
http://instagram.com/p/qe6QuCBuy_/?modal=true

Yeah, if that's the kind of merch we're going to see, I'll be going home with more money in my pocket than I thought.

[sheepdean]

Did Rob hit his head or something, what the fuck is that

[Charmingly Miserable]

Something way ugly. I'm hoping that was some one-off made for MQ. If that is the direction for this tour's merch, I'm all for ETS DIY tour shirts.

[butter_hole]

That shirt fuckin rules

[kel]

i agree with butter_hole

gimme!

[implanted_microchip]

Did one of Trent's kids draw that

[nooneimportant]

No. Just no.
http://instagram.com/p/qe6QuCBuy_/?modal=true

http://i.imgur.com/B0HyfeO.jpg

[Halo Infinity]

No. Just no.
http://instagram.com/p/qe6QuCBuy_/?modal=true
That somehow reminded me of Twist.

[hani]

I'd wear the fuck outta that shirt

[eversonpoe]

No. Just no.
http://instagram.com/p/qe6QuCBuy_/?modal=true

i'm guessing that she found that on the internet and posted it as a joke to troll people. at least, that's what i'm hoping.

[SarahConnor]

i'm guessing that she found that on the internet and posted it as a joke to troll people. at least, that's what i'm hoping.

Whatever the source, i've got $20 for a medium. Best NIN merch in a while!
'Only' on the tour rehearsal bootleg is the only time I've liked that song. Its ...humorous

[HurtinMinorKey]

Did anyone ever figure out how much unique stuff was on here:
http://www.comesforthinthethaw.com/index2.html

The music cycles but the samples seem to be random each time it loops through?

[sheepdean]

Did anyone ever figure out how much unique stuff was on here:
http://www.comesforthinthethaw.com/index2.html

The music cycles but the samples seem to be random each time it loops through?
Have you ever looked at page 2 in The Clique's "Donor Lounge" forum? Maybe at a thread started by me.

[butter_hole]

Have you ever looked at page 2 in The Clique's "Donor Lounge" forum? Maybe at a thread started by me.
Is it possible to view that forum if you're a member of the general public? Or is that behind a paywall...

[sheepdean]

Is it possible to view that forum if you're a member of the general public? Or is that behind a paywall...
Paywall, but if you've got a custom avatar, I assume you've already hit that paywall. Happy for PMs to come my way though.

[nooneimportant]

Man, this is the best setlist that the Self Destruct tours had right here.



"Pinion (http://www.ninwiki.com/Pinion)"
"Terrible Lie (http://www.ninwiki.com/Terrible_Lie)"
"Sin (http://www.ninwiki.com/Sin_%28song%29)"
"Mr. Self Destruct (http://www.ninwiki.com/Mr._Self_Destruct)"
"Something I Can Never Have (http://www.ninwiki.com/Something_I_Can_Never_Have)"
"Closer (http://www.ninwiki.com/Closer)"
"Reptile (http://www.ninwiki.com/Reptile)"
"Gave Up (http://www.ninwiki.com/Gave_Up)"
"March Of The Pigs (http://www.ninwiki.com/March_Of_The_Pigs_%28song%29)"
"Eraser (http://www.ninwiki.com/Eraser)"
"Hurt (http://www.ninwiki.com/Hurt_%28song%29)"
"The Downward Spiral (http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Downward_Spiral_%28song%29)"
"Wish (http://www.ninwiki.com/Wish_%28song%29)"
"Burn (http://www.ninwiki.com/Burn_%28song%29)"
"The Only Time (http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Only_Time)"
"Down In It (http://www.ninwiki.com/Down_In_It_%28song%29)"
"Head Like A Hole (http://www.ninwiki.com/Head_Like_A_Hole_%28song%29)"
~encore~
"Dead Souls (http://www.ninwiki.com/Dead_Souls)"
"Suck (http://www.ninwiki.com/Suck)"
"Help Me I Am In Hell (http://www.ninwiki.com/Help_Me_I_Am_In_Hell)"
"Happiness In Slavery (http://www.ninwiki.com/Happiness_In_Slavery_%28song%29)"


http://www.ninwiki.com/1994/10/07_Los_Angeles,_CA

[HurtinMinorKey]

Have you ever looked at page 2 in The Clique's "Donor Lounge" forum? Maybe at a thread started by me.

Thanks Mick, that was perfectly clear:

http://www.writeups.org/img/inset/Mickey_Oneil_Snatch_h1.jpg

[sheepdean]

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1184-Background-audio-files-from-Comesforthinthethaw-com

Pfft, what happened to treasure hunts.

[HurtinMinorKey]

http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1184-Background-audio-files-from-Comesforthinthethaw-com

Pfft, what happened to treasure hunts.

I see. I'm not cool enough to enter. Thanks anyways. I guess I will rest assured knowing it exists.

[sheepdean]

Huh, I thought to have a custom avatar you have to be a sponsor? Anyways, I'll send you a PM

[butter_hole]

Paywall, but if you've got a custom avatar, I assume you've already hit that paywall. Happy for PMs to come my way though.
This aint no custom avatar ya hear!!!

[Halo Infinity]

When music stores were more of a thing even back in at least 2002-2006, I sometimes found a Nine Days and no Nine Inch Nails in the N section. And for those of you that don't know yet, I started with the year 2002 because that's when I first started buying NIN CDs, and even if lots of record stores were liquidated around the late 2000s, there were still a lot more of them back in 2006. This sometimes happened to me a lot in FYE, Best Buy and Circuit City. I'd also find the Nine Days section first, but that also makes sense since it's in alphabetical order anyway.

[eversonpoe]

i would love to hear a live version of closer that goes into the only time breakdown, and comes out of that into the sweet bass breakdown from happiness in slavery. mmmmmm yeah.

[Halo Infinity]

Out of all the mash-up parodies that came out, I'm still a bit surprised that Closer hasn't been combined with Macarena yet. That is, unless I just missed it. :p

[nooneimportant]

I just realized how ridiculous The Frail into Happiness In Slavery could be.

[fillow]

I wanted to make a joke about ending the show with The Frail, then I realized it actually happened...