Random NIN Thoughts

[butter_hole]

MQ looks HEAPS different!

[henryeatscereal]

Your god is dead and no one cares, if there is a hell i see you... *WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!*

[Ryan]

haters gonna hate

[ecirb]

http://i.imgur.com/Hm26HoV.jpg
here kids have fun with this

Kinda like a cloud, I was up, way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings you wouldn't believe

[Halo Infinity]

Your god is dead and no one cares, if there is a hell i see you... *WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!*
*Or the scream that can be heard in The Downward Spiral (The Bottom).* ;)

[Ryan]

Kinda like a cloud, I was up, way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings you wouldn't believe

Best comment ever posted on the internet.

[Halo Infinity]

I think there was also a very small clip of a roller coaster ride Trent Reznor was on in Closure. That picture also reminded me of that. I wonder if I'm wrong though, as it's been a while since I've watched it all the way through from start to finish.

[henryeatscereal]

Your god is dead and no one cares, if there is a hell i see you... *WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!*
It also reminded me of this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQg_WoKYu4" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQg_WoKYu4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQg_WoKYu4)

[icecream]

Soooo, along with NIN, I have been waiting to see if/when Bob Dylan is coming back to my region. To me, I will always see Dylan every chance I get. His catalog is so large I want to hear every song I can by him and I love the way his arrangements and setlists will change with every show over the months. The only songs you might be guaranteed to hear are All Along the Watchtower and Like a Rolling Stone and even still, that's not 100%. I was thinking how cool it would be for NIN to do a tour like that. Completely unpredictable every night.

[Halo Infinity]

Now that would definitely be my kind of surprise. :D

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

Not if he starts mumbling.

[Halo Infinity]

I was only 9 during this performance. Little did I know would I end up attending the Nine Inch Nails concert in Madison Square Garden at NYC around 8 years later. (Well, it was almost 9 years, but the tour date didn't pass by yet.) Watching this made me think of that part of my life at the time, as I've always lived in NYC anyway, and have seen NIN at MSG, but in 2005. I was in the 3rd grade at Immanuel Lutheran School in Whitestone, Queens. I'm sure I would've enjoyed the fuck out of it even at that age as I was drawn to rock music in general, even though I didn't really get into music until I turned 13.

And memories and nostalgia aside, I definitely enjoyed watching this bootleg, and have always thought that it deserved to get shared more and more. It's also about time that I post it in the Nine Inch Nails group I'm added to on Facebook. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTEPprm2bKM

[Ripe(withdecay)]

My random thought of the day is that I personally think Even Deeper is the greatest song Trent ever wrote.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I never thought as The Great Below as being one of my absolutely favorite NIN songs, but it has one of the most beautiful lyrics.

the currents have their say

[WorzelG]

Listening to Satellite wondering how the fuck this was never released as a single

[BenAkenobi]

nin trivia of the day time.
all major nin releases since TDS had no tracklist readable on the exterior of the package, at most you'd see mere 2 or 3 singles titles on sticker. Until Hes. Marks.

[Halo Infinity]

I'm only going by my feelings and not any actual context, and well, depending on my emotions, A Warm Place sometimes sounds romantic, jovial, placid, or serene, and at other times, it sounds introspective, brooding, and depressing. I've always liked instrumentals and songs that can make me feel more than one kind of emotion. A Warm Place seems like it can go well with sentimental slides and montages. It really was no surprise to me that Closure ended that way, and it really made me smile, while not forgetting to consider Trent's life-story, so it still left me feeling bittersweet.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Random NIN thought #364: I would love to see a high school band perform instrumental NIN shows.

[WorzelG]

I've become obsessed with the Closer (Recalled) Coil remix, but I have to stop listening to it as I keep catching myself singing 'you let me violate you' etc in front of my kids

[Scarlet Siren]

Who are these people who sell 14 year old NIN t-shirts for $200!?! Fuck sakes...

But then again, I did just sell a magazine from 2008 that cost me £5 for £100 on eBay. Muh haha!

[theimage13]

I forgot how much I love this recording - http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2005/20050622.html (source #2)

Great set list, great recording...damn.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Who are these people who sell 14 year old NIN t-shirts for $200!?! Fuck sakes...

Yeah dude. I've been eyeing the white shirt with the devil on the front/red sickles on the back that has floated between 75-100 bucks for a couple months now. Same seller, same shirt, apparently they're not taking the hint that it shouldn't cost that much . . .

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

I forgot how much I love this recording - http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2005/20050622.html (source #2)

Great set list, great recording...damn.
That setlist looks so weird with THTF near the beginning and Piggy towards the end. Did that kind of thing happen a lot in the WT period? I’m still pretty ignorant about setlists before LITS.

[botley]

Yep, there were two basic setlists during the 2005 club tour; they were playing lots of two-night stands and swapped the "MOTP/SICNH/THTF" triad in and out from night to night.

I forgot how much I love this recording - http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2005/20050622.html (source #2)

Great set list, great recording...damn.
It's pretty good, but takes until "The Hand that Feeds" to really get going. I've never heard "Something I Can Never Have" just abruptly stop in the middle like that anywhere else.

[Kyle]

Aside from Richard Cheese, I really don't see the point of covering it - not in a protective way, but because everyone covers it in the same way. Fuck with the song, change the beat, the melody, do something interesting, don't just do karaoke.

But that probably doesn't sell.

I feel that way about every cover. If you're not going to do something unique with the song (I.e. Get Down Make Love, one of my favorite covers of all time), don't bother.

[Halo Infinity]

Random NIN thought #364: I would love to see a high school band perform instrumental NIN shows.
I've also thought it would be nice to see a video of a high school band performing Happiness In Slavery and Every Day Is Exactly The Same at their high school talent show. And fortunately enough, none of those songs have any profanity in them. ;)

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

I guess this means we aren’t hipsters.

http://priceonomics.com/the-hipster-music-index/

(Posted here since it’s more like a NIN non-spotting.)

[jessamineny]

Did someone summon a high school (marching) band?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpbAhrV8Zc

[Halo Infinity]

It's kind of funny after knowing that Trent Reznor was also part of the high school band at Mercer Area High School. It also reminded me of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJFQQ_dZ3Lo

And then I ended up with these search results on YouTube as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I2DfeLW-Uw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFsGcH9mSJw

And now it makes me wonder how Head Like A Hole and Wish would sound as covers with that overall sound. :p

[Amaro]

I Would For You is such a baller song. (Seriously.)

[Joy Prevention Hotline]

All this NIN activity is making it impossible to focus on work today.

[Halo Infinity]

This is obviously nothing new, but I've noticed that The Fragile is definitely the Nine Inch Nails album for me to listen to whenever I get lonely and/or become reclusive. I suppose it's because loneliness and an overall sense of loss clearly go hand in hand, while I sometimes ponder about what else Trent Reznor must've felt, and what he thought while he was hiding in between The Downward Spiral to The Perfect Drug, and then from The Perfect Drug to The Fragile. (And when I say what else, I meant other than we he has already admitted.)

Speaking of the gaps again, I sometimes can't decide which gap was the most suspenseful, but perhaps I'll also ask that in the Random NIN Questions thread.

The Downward Spiral to The Fragile?

The Fragile to With Teeth?

The Slip to Hesitation Marks? (Although for me, it didn't really feel or look like that much of a gap.)

[MENDOZA]

The gap from The Fragile to With Teeth felt about 10 years. Trent was totally inactive 2002-2004.

[Nirvana23]

The 'Slavery' scream Trent used to do live during Happiness in Slavery gives me chills everytime I hear it

[Halo Infinity]

nin trivia of the day time.
all major nin releases since TDS had no tracklist readable on the exterior of the package, at most you'd see mere 2 or 3 singles titles on sticker. Until Hes. Marks.
I'm actually surprised that I also didn't post this as soon as I got Hesitation Marks. What a trip though. 1992-2013.

[Volk]

I'm gonna go make a withdrawal.

[greenbaymackey]

I've loved this version of Mr. Self Destruct since I first heard it on the Banged and Blown Through compilation. I especially like, "I am the need in you for MORE!" Anyway, I just watched this and realized this is the first time I have actually watched a video of it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOcd7pT62yI

[Charmingly Miserable]

As of right now: Running remix > studio version

[wizfan]

Sooo, I downloaded this Guitar Pro tab of Everything (http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/n/nine_inch_nails/everything_guitar_pro.htm) (if you don't have Guitar Pro, you can use it with a freeware app like TuxGuitar (http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxguitar/)) and the person who did the tabs used the colors of the LGBT flag on the MIDI channels.

[icecream]

Today at work we put corn starch on our hands to keep them dry so our gloves would go on and off easily. I felt like my hands were in 90's NIN

[nothing8]

I wonder if Trent likes the Formula 1?

[BenAkenobi]

I wonder if Trent likes the Formula 1?

Is he in Melbourne these days?

[nothing8]

Is he in Melbourne these days?

He's here tonight and tomorrow. Plus Tony Hawk is at the F1 as well so no doubt both him and Rob will be meeting up too. Was just thinking maybe the tour worked out like that for a reason :D

[wizfan]

I'm measuring the dynamic range of albums using the Dynamic Range Meter for foobar2000 (http://dr.loudness-war.info/). The stereo mix in the SACD and appears to be more compressed than the original CD (DR7 as opposed to DR8; the higher the number, the more dynamic the mix is), while the surround mix has DR10, a wider dynamic range than any other format (except for the vinyl release and the unmastered instrumentals). Of course, I know Leviathant has done a similar test before (http://theninhotline.net/features/halo.profiles/tds/), but this test proves that even the slightest changes in a remaster can sacrifice information when the signal is compressed, while a mix of an album that's completely re-done for surround speakers can yield impressive results (the 5.1 mix of The Social Network is also incredibly dynamic compared to the stereo mix on DVD/CD/BD). It seems TR and Co. are keeping things tight and compressed for the stereo mixes (which are naturally going to be more mainstream and therefore less "audiophile mastered"), while storing the more dynamic mixes on vinyl and 5.1 surround. Dragon Tattoo may not be available in 5.1, but the surround mixes done for the movie were astounding.

You can see some DR measurements for the various TDS releases here (http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=&album=the+downward+spiral).

[seasonsinthesky]

the thing about measuring the DR of surround mixes is that it can't account for the actual loudness we experience when we listen to it; you can't just add the volumes of all the channels together because that doesn't account for the physical spacing in the room (which affects how loudly we perceive something due to the distances affecting the apparent volume that we perceive), and even if you do the math to figure out how to add in the dB differences caused by distance, it can't account for how differently we perceive the front and rear speaker pairs (since we don't hear 'equally' from the front and back, off and on axis, etc.). with the case of TDS, i'm willing to bet the surround and stereo mixes were both limited to the same degree, but because the surround mix splits things out of the front stereo pair and distributes them to the back/center/LFE, the DR measurement can't properly measure it. i'm pretty sure whoever submitted the surround mix to the database probably did a surround mixdown, which is when software combines the channels into a stereo file and reduces the volume so it won't clip, defeating the purpose of even measuring the surround mix DR in the first place.

[wizfan]

i'm pretty sure whoever submitted the surround mix to the database probably did a surround mixdown, which is when software combines the channels into a stereo file and reduces the volume so it won't clip, defeating the purpose of even measuring the surround mix DR in the first place.

Yes, that is exactly what they did, as evidenced by the description. As for the 5.1 DR thing, it does make sense. Center and LFE have typically less information, which makes the DR meter count them as channels with higher dynamic range.

[GlitchyFlame]

trant pls
http://i.imgur.com/n2MCueb.jpg

[gorast]

That post was so old that I actually had to click through and see when I posted it. Well done.

[dominik]

Do most of the people even realize how amazing Copy of A is? 100% NIN song, guys.

[pukkelpop]

Do most of the people even realize how amazing Copy of A is? 100% NIN song, guys.

I agree. When this was the single, we had a return of NIN on our radios...

[BenAkenobi]

most of the people... NIN...

statistically, most of the people have no idea what NIN is :)

[GlitchyFlame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJvHXm4cYM
@3:45-4:17
HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.
I can't believe that Trent can still do that with his voice!

[Volband]

- I want to hear NIN's version of Let It Go

- Love Is Not Enough is actually about love on an album where every single reference to the other sex is actually about drugs

[dlb]

Every now and then I come back to head like a hole and I love every goddman version of it! whether it's the original track on PHM or the numerous live versions. Every line up brings an element of this song to the foreground that's not as present on the others. It's such a great fucking live track and I'll never get tired of it or stop shouting the chorus. Ever!

Only thing that hasn't gotten better over the years is that Trent's not joining the rest of the band on the chrous anymore like on AATCHB. Other than that this is one of the few tracks that I'll always be the most excited for how it will sound this time around.

[Ryan]

The word really needs to get out there that this is how the poster is meant to look; those "dings" are intentional and part of the artwork:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nine-Inch-Nails-Poster-The-Fragile-NIN-/151242400450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2336bfe2c2

Poor seller has it listed as:



Nine Inch Nails Poster The Fragile NIN

This poster is 27 by 39 inches approximately and is not in mint condition. It has edge dings asnd creases and face scuffs. It is for the album The Fragile. It is shipped rolled in a hard cardboard tube. B70


http://www.postersultan.com/posters/nineinchnails1poster1-5-13.jpg

[hani]

That post was so old that I actually had to click through and see when I posted it. Well done.

see that blue button with white arrows next to your nick on the quote above? that takes you back to the original post, and you could do the same with said comment earlier :D

[MAD]

I finished a new track and some of my friends (also NIN fans) told me it sounds like something from NIN.
Truth be told, I've been listening to TGWTDT soundtrack lately as I read the first book.

http://mad-ro.bandcamp.com/track/enter-from-the-inside It's a free download.

[sheepdean]

http://i.fakecaptcha.com/captcha/8645452c9302.jpg

[jessamineny]

Hey, what's going on with that NIN-Army interview?

[Kyle]

http://i.fakecaptcha.com/captcha/8645452c9302.jpg

clearly not not a NIN.com captcha as you can read it.

[ILoveFestivals]

I'm on a little Things Falling Apart binge recently. How great is that album!

[screwdriver]

because it was linked at the bottom of a pitchfork article, I rewatched the grammy rehearsal footage for the first time since it came out... goddamn, this is rad

[implanted_microchip]

I feel like I'm the only person who got pre-sale tickets without having to put in a captcha. Seeing screenshots of some of them, god am I glad I didn't.

I'm really hoping Even Deeper makes a comeback sometime soon live. It was one of the highpoints of Tension for me.

[sweeterthan]

I'm on a little Things Falling Apart binge recently. How great is that album!
the "metal" cover is my favorite cover he's ever done. so good.

[Charmingly Miserable]

It was NIN cover band night at some 80s club in SoCal over the weekend.

[sheepdean]

Hey, what's going on with that NIN-Army interview?
I hate to do this but ... soon

[Charmingly Miserable]

I need to make a NIN/SG/DG playlist to get my psyched for the summer. That's gonna be one huge-ass playlist.

[implanted_microchip]

I need to make a NIN/SG/DG playlist to get my psyched for the summer. That's gonna be one huge-ass playlist.

Is there any SG material you can point me in the direction of? I've just never been a fan, and now that I'm seeing them I really would like to find something I enjoy/appreciate. I'm hoping that seeing them live will make me like them more, but I'd really like it if I went in with things I enjoyed about them. Any help/suggestions are appreciated (and I've tried listening to Superunknown; not a single song grabbed me).

[henryeatscereal]

I've been listening "Year Zero" a lot lately and came to the conclusion that the CD is a "quasi-hip-hop" album, don't get me wrong, of course Trent didn't record "The Chronic" again, yet songs like "The Good Soldier", "Me I'm Not", "My Violent Heart" and "God Given" could be easily rapped, even Trent mostly talks on those...

[Charmingly Miserable]

Is there any SG material you can point me in the direction of? I've just never been a fan, and now that I'm seeing them I really would like to find something I enjoy/appreciate. I'm hoping that seeing them live will make me like them more, but I'd really like it if I went in with things I enjoyed about them. Any help/suggestions are appreciated (and I've tried listening to Superunknown; not a single song grabbed me).
My recommendations can go on forever, but here are just some of my top SG songs in random order:

Beyond the Wheel
Searching with my Good Eye Closed
Tighter and Tighter
Mailman
Zero Chance
Slaves and Bulldozers
Big Dumb Sex
Rowing
Limo Wreck
Power Trip
Circle of Power

[implanted_microchip]

I've been listening "Year Zero" a lot lately and came to the conclusion that the CD is a "quasi-hip-hop" album, don't get me wrong, of course Trent didn't record "The Chronic" again, yet songs like "The Good Soldier", "Me I'm Not", "My Violent Heart" and "God Given" could be easily rapped, even Trent mostly talks on those...

While you're at it, The Warning is almost entirely spoken-word.

Oh, and don't forget the verses to Capital G, the Tardusted version of Survivalism and the Gunshots By Computer! version of Hyperpower!

[botley]

I've been listening "Year Zero" a lot lately and came to the conclusion that the CD is a "quasi-hip-hop" album, don't get me wrong, of course Trent didn't record "The Chronic" again, yet songs like "The Good Soldier", "Me I'm Not", "My Violent Heart" and "God Given" could be easily rapped, even Trent mostly talks on those...
TR cited early Public Enemy as a huge influence on YZ. Also, he was working with Saul Williams' producers CX KiDTRONiK and Thavius Beck on The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust! while producing NIN simultaneously.

[cahernandez]

Is there any SG material you can point me in the direction of? I've just never been a fan, and now that I'm seeing them I really would like to find something I enjoy/appreciate. I'm hoping that seeing them live will make me like them more, but I'd really like it if I went in with things I enjoyed about them. Any help/suggestions are appreciated (and I've tried listening to Superunknown; not a single song grabbed me).

I would recommend you Live on I-5 (a live album that shows SG at their peak, 1997, right before they called it quits. It has a great variety of songs) or the Telephantasm Deluxe Edition (greatest hits). Otherwise, I'd start with Superunknown, then, Down on the Upside, then Badmotorfinger. If you get into their canon albums, then I'd dig into their early albums.

[ILoveFestivals]

the "metal" cover is my favorite cover he's ever done. so good.
I would absolutely love to hear 10 Miles High (Remix Version) Live!

[pinata89]

Just messing with the background images on my iPhone...did the accessibility thing where you invert the color, and realize the artwork for Broken/Fixed are exact inversions of each other.

[henryeatscereal]

While you're at it, The Warning is almost entirely spoken-word.

Oh, and don't forget the verses to Capital G, the Tardusted version of Survivalism and the Gunshots By Computer! version of Hyperpower!
Oh yeah, forgot about "The Warning" and yes the remix of "Survivalism" has that Hip-hop/Rap vibe i was talking about, even the live version with Saul Williams is rapped, i heard once that Trent Reznor wanted to work with Dr Dre in the 90's, i guess his collaboration with Saul was what he had in mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V9O8fxwNw8

[wizfan]

i heard once that Trent Reznor wanted to work with Dr Dre in the 90's

He did. See Even Deeper.

[Inkë]

Just messing with the background images on my iPhone...did the accessibility thing where you invert the color, and realize the artwork for Broken/Fixed are exact inversions of each other.

Nope, they changed it a bit.
http://i.imgur.com/PrSeuNc.png / http://i.imgur.com/DWnacjB.png

[henryeatscereal]

He did. See Even Deeper.
Oh yeah, but i meant like a complete album and stuff (either from NIN or from Dre) ...

[jessamineny]

We all complain about "Hurt" closing shows on yet another tour, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen some variation of this in regular people's reviews of shows lately: "They closed their set with Hurt and I’m still in shock. To say it was a spiritual experience is an understatement."

[Ryan]

Capital G should be played more often live.

[Ryan]

We all complain about "Hurt" closing shows on yet another tour, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen some variation of this in regular people's reviews of shows lately: "They closed their set with Hurt and I’m still in shock. To say it was a spiritual experience is an understatement."

Am I correct in saying the only songs that have closed NIN shows have been Head Like A Hole, Hurt and In This Twilight?

[Kyle]

Am I correct in saying the only songs that have closed NIN shows have been Head Like A Hole, Hurt and In This Twilight?

Something I can never have
happiness in slavery

[TheBang]

Down in It closed out the Skinny Puppy tour, since HLaH was not written yet.
Dead Souls closed out the Helmet club tour.

And, of course, there have been little one-off's here and there where the show ended on non-typical tracks due to guest artists, injuries/illnesses, no encore, etc.

[Kyle]

Actually I should point out that in my above two examples, he still ended the pre-encore portion with HLAH, so he still had that going.

[pinata89]

Nope, they changed it a bit.
http://i.imgur.com/PrSeuNc.png / http://i.imgur.com/DWnacjB.png

Not trying to argue, but wouldn't it be completely dependent on the source of your original image as to whether...? Ya know, nevermind...this is dumb, haha. Just an observation.

[Charmingly Miserable]

32 Ghost IV is one of those perfectly terrifying songs for me. I can feel so much tension and suspense in the song. It's one of, if not, my favorites on the album.

[theimage13]

We all complain about "Hurt" closing shows on yet another tour, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen some variation of this in regular people's reviews of shows lately: "They closed their set with Hurt and I’m still in shock. To say it was a spiritual experience is an understatement."

We don't all complain about it - mostly just me, I think ;)

Seriously though, it's a pretty divisive topic. Some people can't get enough of it, and some people couldn't care less about ever hearing it again. For me, the song just doesn't speak to me the way ITT does. Hurt? Okay, show's over, time to leave. ITT, on the other hand, gave me chills and had me a little choked up at the end of the LITS set I saw.

[fortheloveofgod]

I like 1991 Trent!!! Listening to Now I'm Nothing Atlanta show.

[implanted_microchip]

I like 1991 Trent!!! Listening to Now I'm Nothing Atlanta show.

There are some fantastic PHM era recordings on RITC. It's amazing to hear so many PHM songs brought to life in such a different tone than on the record; you really can hear what TR meant when he said his live band influenced the sound of Broken.

[fillow]

I hate people screaming at the shows so fucking much.
So I start listening to Sacramento 2005 recording... A few seconds into Pinion comes in a scream which can only be produced by a pig being cut alive, and it doesn't stop through the whole track. You'd think she'd get tired by the end of it (nearly two minutes) but nooooooooo, as soon as Love is not Enough start she fucking loses herself... only to get louder when drums start, even louder when bass comes in. By the Trent opens his mouth, you can't hear shit, only screaming.
Now repeat the above for every one of next 20 songs.

[katara]

I hate people screaming at the shows so fucking much.
So I start listening to Sacramento 2005 recording... A few seconds into Pinion comes in a scream which can only be produced by a pig being cut alive, and it doesn't stop through the whole track. You'd think she'd get tired by the end of it (nearly two minutes) but nooooooooo, as soon as Love is not Enough start she fucking loses herself... only to get louder when drums start, even louder when bass comes in. By the Trent opens his mouth, you can't hear shit, only screaming.
Now repeat the above for every one of next 20 songs.
I hope she gets nodules.

[theimage13]

I hate people screaming at the shows so fucking much.
So I start listening to Sacramento 2005 recording... A few seconds into Pinion comes in a scream which can only be produced by a pig being cut alive, and it doesn't stop through the whole track. You'd think she'd get tired by the end of it (nearly two minutes) but nooooooooo, as soon as Love is not Enough start she fucking loses herself... only to get louder when drums start, even louder when bass comes in. By the Trent opens his mouth, you can't hear shit, only screaming.
Now repeat the above for every one of next 20 songs.

I wouldn't even share that recording. Ugh. I still can't watch TOIOU's fantastic video of Ruiner from Webster Hall because I can't stand the guy screaming off key over the pre-chorus.

[fillow]

^^
Was that yours? I didn't notice the taper since it was laying on my hard drive for about 5 years or so (probably downloaded from Seven's website back in the day).
The recording is awesome and thanks for sharing it! And a girl of course calms down a bit as the show goes, but boy was she annoying in between songs.

Edit: looked it up, the recording is by James (Fuzn). Funny how there's another source (TIMP's) and it's labeled as "non screaming girl" version.

[NotoriousTIMP]

I was wondering if it was my recording or not....guess you solved it! Haha

[sheepdean]

So, we're calling the US leg NINgarden yeah?

[K-Rice]

http://i.imgur.com/Hm26HoV.jpg
here kids have fun with this

I just made that my profile pic on Facebook.

[Charmingly Miserable]

So, we're calling the US leg NINgarden yeah?
I was thinking SNING or how about Into the Void and Down on the Upside Tour? Or how about the King Animal with Hesitation Marks tour? Ok, I need to stop.

[implanted_microchip]

That metallic percussion sound on I'm Looking Forward To Joining You, Finally always sounds like one of these things to me:

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/056/379/original/newtons-cradle.jpg?1377724909

[Marty Kirra]

[/snip]
here kids have fun with this
Not to derail or spam this picture, but here's a photoshop I made not too long ago.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/25suzrn.jpg

[WorzelG]

I don't get why people are so down on this nin / soundgarden tour being 'nostalgia'. What's the difference between this and the NINJA thing? At least it doesn't look like NIN will be going on first every day. Personally I'd much prefer soundgarden to janes

[sweeterthan]

Capital G should be played more often live.

Agree. I love capital g. Time to break out the deeper cuts, trent.

[icecream]

Oh yeah, forgot about "The Warning" and yes the remix of "Survivalism" has that Hip-hop/Rap vibe i was talking about, even the live version with Saul Williams is rapped, i heard once that Trent Reznor wanted to work with Dr Dre in the 90's, i guess his collaboration with Saul was what he had in mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V9O8fxwNw8
Saul Williams should come out every time NIN plays that song.

On another note, today I watched them play ATL as a 4 piece on YT, it looks like Ally and Robin sing the falsetto parts Lisa and Sharlotte did. Has anyone heard robin sing like that before? I have only heard his yelling, never noticed his voice had that range.

Also, Trent should go on Dancing with the Stars and do his weird floppy arm dance he does live now. And his leaning back and forward dance.

[Halo Infinity]

I have a feeling that I've mentioned this before, but it still seems to be the case. From the looks of it, as far as albums that have been released after The Fragile, I really think I've been listening to With Teeth and Hesitation Marks the most as of late.

[sick among the pure]

it looks like Ally and Robin sing the falsetto parts Lisa and Sharlotte did. Has anyone heard robin sing like that before? I have only heard his yelling, never noticed his voice had that range.

Never underestimate Robin's voice, he may be a gremlin sometimes but he will surprise you.

[Mutilated]

Trent is becoming a walking contradiction:

Doesn't want to become a nostalgia act - tours with Soundgarden.
Says the Grammy's are lame - plays the Grammys and gets screwed over.
Says he's done with the rock thing - tours with QOTSA and now fucking Soundgarden. And still has the same ending to gigs (THTF/HLAH/Hurt etc..)

[WorzelG]

Trent is becoming a walking contradiction:

Doesn't want to become a nostalgia act - tours with Soundgarden.
Says the Grammy's are lame - plays the Grammys and gets screwed over.
Says he's done with the rock thing - tours with QOTSA and now fucking Soundgarden. And still has the same ending to gigs (THTF/HLAH/Hurt etc..)
But Tension though...only finished 3 months ago. I just think financial reality ends up trumping ideals in the end

[katara]

He also said he was burned out with touring, and yet as soon as he comes back, he's touring constantly. First festivals, then Tension, then the rest of the world, then America again... very weird.

[icklekitty]

2009: wave goodbye
2013: OH SHIT I'M GOING TO BE PAYING FOR COLLEGE INTO MY 70S

[jmtd]

Such cynics. The grass is always greener. He does a traditional show, he gets bored and retired for five years. He does a massively choreographed show, so he goes back to the rock model. At least he doesn't quit again.

[theimage13]

He also said he was burned out with touring, and yet as soon as he comes back, he's touring constantly. First festivals, then Tension, then the rest of the world, then America again... very weird.

Some people need to be busy. Maybe he was excited to be entering into marriage and fatherhood, then realized "oh crap...I miss traveling and performing" and decided to head back out. I get pretty burned out on tour, but after a couple weeks at home I can't stand the thought of being in the same city for more than a few days at a time. Who knows.

[WorzelG]

I'm sure NIN is still a labour of love - after all, comparing the effort to financial reward ratio of doing NIN (18 months to write, then promotion, touring cycle) and sitting on his arse in LA writing 3 or 4 film scores a year, I bet the latter is more lucrative in the end

[katara]

Such cynics. The grass is always greener. He does a traditional show, he gets bored and retired for five years. He does a massively choreographed show, so he goes back to the rock model. At least he doesn't quit again.
He does a 'rock' model because it would cost too much to take high-end production out of the US. Either that, or the rest of the world always draws the short straw.
To be honest, I prefer an evolving setlist, though.

[dlb]

What's actually more profitable for NIN? Too take the festival 2013 production to festivals around the globe or take that shit to your own shows around Europe? I have no clue so it'd be interesting to see some numbers (even if they are just estimates).

[Charmingly Miserable]

He also said he was burned out with touring, and yet as soon as he comes back, he's touring constantly. First festivals, then Tension, then the rest of the world, then America again... very weird.
You want him to do a reality show on Bravo? At Home with the Reznors? I could totally picture it: grumpy Trent goes from business meetings to business meetings with Rob and Atticus while Mariqueen shops all day in Bev Hills and chases the kids around the backyard. Marilyn Manson tries to crash the boys' birthday parties. Trent is obsessed with Antiques Roadshow yet he is too ashamed to admit it.

[pinata89]

Never underestimate Robin's voice, he may be a gremlin sometimes but he will surprise you.

I'm sorry, but I cringe every single time Finck walks up to the microphone. His voice is horrendous. I am completely in accordance that he is a staple of Nine Inch Nails' live performance, and his guitar work and image are crucial to the stage...but that microphone needs to be muted.

[WorzelG]

I'm sorry, but I cringe every single time Finck walks up to the microphone. His voice is horrendous. I am completely in accordance that he is a staple of Nine Inch Nails' live performance, and his guitar work and image are crucial to the stage...but that microphone needs to be muted.
I can't say I noticed ever, but are there any videos that you think encapsulate this on youtube?

[sick among the pure]

I'm sorry, but I cringe every single time Finck walks up to the microphone. His voice is horrendous. I am completely in accordance that he is a staple of Nine Inch Nails' live performance, and his guitar work and image are crucial to the stage...but that microphone needs to be muted.

Eh, opinions are just that. I love Robin's vocals, personally.

[K-Rice]

I can't say I noticed ever, but are there any videos that you think encapsulate this on youtube?
Ever seen the behind the scenes video on Tension? There's are a part where Robin's rehearsing Satellite vocals with the backup singers and it cuts over to Trent looking on with a look of "What the hell have I done?" Personally, I love Robin.

[thirty_three]

I'm sorry, but I cringe every single time Finck walks up to the microphone. His voice is horrendous. I am completely in accordance that he is a staple of Nine Inch Nails' live performance, and his guitar work and image are crucial to the stage...but that microphone needs to be muted.

You mean you think his mostly raspy backing vocals are horrendous? Or have you personally heard him sing in a non-rock concert setting, or when he used to sing in a choir?

Also, a couple seconds of casually harmonizing at a rehearsal while fleshing out ideas is a piss poor example of Robin actually singing (re: the Tension behind the scenes video).

I get that some people just don't like a certain singing voice, but I assume most of you haven't heard his actual voice and should reserve judgement for, you know, when you actually hear him sing for real. I personally like his backing vocals and think they suit NIN. But they don't reflect his singing abilities as a whole.

[butter_hole]

Trent is becoming a walking contradiction:

Doesn't want to become a nostalgia act - tours with Soundgarden.
Both acts had top 5 albums last year... simply having a 20+ year career doesn't mean you're a nostalgia act.


Says the Grammy's are lame - plays the Grammys and gets screwed over.
His thought process through the whole thing was pretty transparent


Says he's done with the rock thing - tours with QOTSA and now fucking Soundgarden. And still has the same ending to gigs (THTF/HLAH/Hurt etc..)
Because it works!

But yes I agree, but he's been a walking contradiction since about 1997

[cahernandez]

I can't say I noticed ever, but are there any videos that you think encapsulate this on youtube?

One example that comes to mind is "Even Deeper" from Tension, the part "Everything that matters is gooone". He would highlight "gone", "become" and "overcome" from the chorus, screaming, really terrible scream, it was specially grating when you had such amazing singers (Lisa and Sharlotte) and you had this guy ruining that verse/beautiful singing by the girls. See
http://youtu.be/ZlABAPWGE1E?t=2m9s

(it was more obvious if you were at the concert, the mix of that video doesn't highlight this problem, but you can kind of hear what I'm talking about).

Another example is The Wretched. Sure, he has always sung the part "Now you know this is what it feels like" with that bad scream of his, but it became more obvious during Tension, because again, Lisa and Sharlotte would sing that part BEAUTIFULLY, and mixed with Robin's vocals, it was clear that something was not right there. I liked The Wretched before, but the backup singers made the song a lot more interesting, the only thing that didn't fit that picture were Robin's vocals.

I'm sure his actual singing voice is a whole different animal. I listened to All Time Low from Melbourne, with Robin singing with Ally "get down on the floor" on falsetto and it was very nice to hear, good replacement for the backup singers. His screaming is just not right.

[icecream]

I'm sorry, but I cringe every single time Finck walks up to the microphone. His voice is horrendous. I am completely in accordance that he is a staple of Nine Inch Nails' live performance, and his guitar work and image are crucial to the stage...but that microphone needs to be muted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agW6c95uepA
His voice is pretty good here.

[cahernandez]

We don't all complain about it - mostly just me, I think ;)

Seriously though, it's a pretty divisive topic. Some people can't get enough of it, and some people couldn't care less about ever hearing it again. For me, the song just doesn't speak to me the way ITT does. Hurt? Okay, show's over, time to leave. ITT, on the other hand, gave me chills and had me a little choked up at the end of the LITS set I saw.

I would also agree here. Hurt is a good song, but I'd rather hear something else, I think it has run its course as a set closer. In This Twilight, on the other hand...I saw it live for the first time in the Houston LITS stop, went to the show without reading any setlist spoilers for this tour, so I obviously did not know that ITT was going to close to the show. And holy cow did it hit me like a wall of bricks. It's absolutely the best finale I've seen for a NIN show...the city burning background, the beautiful Zero-Sum piano outro...it all made the sense to me. With that performance, I think ITT trascended its "end of the world" theme from Year Zero. I was extremely pleased to hear that song played again, with the same visuals, during the Tension show I saw. Once again I was moved beyond words.

[Volband]

He also said he was burned out with touring, and yet as soon as he comes back, he's touring constantly. First festivals, then Tension, then the rest of the world, then America again... very weird.
What's actually funny (in a sad way), that both the festival tour and the 2014 shows are, in fact, nostalgia acts. He did nothing brave and original setlist-wise (maybe the HTDA stuff, but I'm not so sure how happy you are with those songs when it could be rare NIN songs instead - an act you actually paid for). Sure, for the Australian tour, not 8, not 6, not 5, but 4 (!) people played Hurt and Wish.

I wouldn'be so salty if he had not hype it the way he did. More things from The Fragile, his currently favourite NIN album. Riiiiight.

[gorast]

Festivals don't count, if you don't play the hits then you're not doing it right. Talk all you want about "fighting the power" and "fuck the system", but the fans who came to see Hurt and Wish will leave the show super pissed if they don't see those songs. And yes, those fans matter in a festival setting. I'd argue those fans matter in every setting, but that's not something I want to get into.

[emptydesk]

been thinking about trent being smart about non-traditional promotion and considering doing podcast interviews where he'd be more open than his pr talking points. feel like an hour on the nerdist podcast would really open some windows and let some of the dust out of his public persona.

[WorzelG]

been thinking about trent being smart about non-traditional promotion and considering doing podcast interviews where he'd be more open than his pr talking points. feel like an hour on the nerdist podcast would really open some windows and let some of the dust out of his public persona.
Well isn't there supposed to be some fan interview with nin army or something? What happened with that? Anyway I think that if he did speak more openly about things, he'd just let slip things that may be doomed to fail like Tapeworm and cause more aggravation in the long run

[r_k_f]

Just finished a straight thru listen of the Downward Spiral Instrumental album.... still find it amazing that I catch 'lil things I never noticed before...

[sheepdean]

Well isn't there supposed to be some fan interview with nin army or something?~soon~

Trent clearly isn't an interview fan unless he likes the interviewer though, and I doubt he'd be down for doing something like broad podcasts which use up time and can often be very dull for all involved

[NotoriousTIMP]

Just finished a straight thru listen of the Downward Spiral Instrumental album.... still find it amazing that I catch 'lil things I never noticed before...

Where can I get my hands on this version?

[sheepdean]

Where can I get my hands on this version?
Isn't it just on remix.nin?

[NotoriousTIMP]

Is it? I never venture over to that site

[r_k_f]

Isn't it just on remix.nin?
only place I know of..

[Halo Infinity]

As of right now, The Fragile and Ghosts I-IV still seem to calm me down and cheer me up the most.

[Mutilated]

Year Zero just continues to grow and grow on me. I adore the drum sounds on The Warning, Meet Your Master, The Great Destroyer, In This Twilight. And just can't stop imagining if Hesitation Marks had these drum sounds instead of the small-ish beats it has. It would be a different animal altogether. I do like HM, but its really a slow burner.

[ethan829]

I seem to go through phases where I listen to NIN too much, get bored with it, don't listen to it at all for a while, and then rediscover how fucking incredible it is all over again. It's been too long since I've listened to The Fragile. Just Like You Imagined is a goddamn masterpiece of composition.

[screwdriver]

everyone's always prattling on about a NIN Still-esque tour. I think that would be tremendously boring, but if he ever does it, I hope Agnes Obel is the opening act.

(And I also hope he does a PHM-only tour, and Austra opens.)

(I will probably now do this for all eras.)

[thelastdisciple]

I wish NIN did more improvisation during live performances, everything's so strict all the time there's never solos or extended cuts. (Yes i know there's plenty of other bands for that kind of thing).....

I just personally love it when a band could potentially change a 2 minute song into a 6 minute epic.

[implanted_microchip]

(And I also hope he does a PHM-only tour, and Austra opens.)

(I will probably now do this for all eras.)

If they did a PHM+Broken tour, that would be fantastic. Length-wise it would end up being within the normal range, too.

[sick among the pure]

If they did a PHM+Broken tour, that would be fantastic. Length-wise it would end up being within the normal range, too.

They could take a break after Gave Up and come back on for Physical and Suck to encore.

[implanted_microchip]

They could take a break after Gave Up and come back on for Physical and Suck to encore.

Well now this has to happen (although I'd vote for Purest Feeling and Twist to get thrown in as encore songs, too).

[m15a]

everyone's always prattling on about a NIN Still-esque tour. I think that would be tremendously boring, but if he ever does it, I hope Agnes Obel is the opening act.

Even as someone who'd really want to see a Still-esque show, I'm not sure stretching it out to 2 hours and 24 songs would be a good idea. Not sure if it'd work with NIN's popularity, but something like an hour-long show in a smaller venue might be nice. Almost no chance of that being a full tour with dozens of cities, though, IMO. Well, maybe if a Still-esque album of all-new songs came out or something.

[Kyle]

I think I mentioned this before but if I didn't..... Back in the day, the smashing pumpkins were sometimes their own opening act. They even went under a different name and came on stage in their pajamas and played an acoustic set. Then they left and came back and played their regular set. I would love to see NIN do that. Especially the pajamas.

[Kyle]

If they did a PHM+Broken tour, that would be fantastic. Length-wise it would end up being within the normal range, too.

They did that in 1991. ;)

[GlitchyFlame]

I feel that Trent's remix of Symphony of Destruction is far better than the original. I guess that's because I was never a huge fan of Megadeth anyway.

[screwdriver]

They did that in 1991. ;)

Ha! Touche, but I don't think the members of Austra were even alive yet, so they couldn't have opened for them :-)

[implanted_microchip]

They did that in 1991. ;)

I mean full-length, all the way through each album like TDS performances.

Plus, a lot of the recordings from then are really poor quality.

[GibbonBlack]

although I'd vote for Purest Feeling and Twist to get thrown in as encore songs, too.


and Maybe Just Once

[Halo Infinity]

I forgot if I've already mentioned this before, and not to deny or downplay the other factors that have contributed to the popularity and success of Nine Inch Nails, but it's still great to see and know how The NIN Hotline and Echoing the Sound have been, and still are an enormous help whenever it comes to promoting and supporting Nine Inch Nails on the Internet.

[allegro]

Somehow I don't think people like to view this as marketing. It's just communicating, even if it contributed to zero additional success.

[ethan829]

I sure do wish Rob would upload more photos to Flickr. I know all the cool kids are using tumblr these days, but I want to download the original sizes, dammit!

[sick among the pure]

I sure do wish Rob would upload more photos

I got spoiled by the early Rob days of "here are 5 photos from each show" uploads, and being vocal about things. Now that Rob seems to have more art direction responsibility, the areas where he did a lot of work before just aren't able to have as much time and energy devoted to them. Maybe he should hire a photo assistant ;)

[allegro]

I sure do wish Rob would upload more photos to Flickr. I know all the cool kids are using tumblr these days, but I want to download the original sizes, dammit!
All the cool kids are using Instagram. :-)

[MrSlfDstruct]

I just wish they'd post the iPhone wallpapers from the Access app somewhere now that that's defunct. I'd still really love the Hesitation Marks wallpaper pack, too . . .

[theimage13]

I got spoiled by the early Rob days of "here are 5 photos from each show" uploads, and being vocal about things. Now that Rob seems to have more art direction responsibility, the areas where he did a lot of work before just aren't able to have as much time and energy devoted to them. Maybe he should hire a photo assistant ;)

Dibs.

Qualifications: professional experience as a photojournalist, commercial photographer, and assistant. Have done multiple high profile tours. Know that pooping on the bus will get you killed by your fellow crew. Won't beat the boss at video games.

[sick among the pure]

Dibs.

Qualifications: professional experience as a photojournalist, commercial photographer, and assistant. Have done multiple high profile tours.

You're already more qualified than Rob was, lol.

[theimage13]

You're already more qualified than Rob was, lol.

Yeah, but let's not kid ourselves. What he was doing at 18-19 (however old he was when Trent found him) was way ahead of what I was doing at that age. At least, in the web/design game. Haven't seen his early photo work, now that I think about it. When did he start actually shooting the shows? Are there any archives of that somewhere?

[wizfan]

Rob's a great photographer, but he rarely impresses me as a designer/art director. Some of his Photoshop work is pretty cool, but his web design always seemed rather bland to me. The Slip's and first EP HTDA's backdrops and stuff were interchangeable, and the "screen" photography for Welcome oblivion quickly became boring.

[r_k_f]

what the hell... how have I missed the shared beat in Reptilian and The Great Destroyer all this time????

[m15a]

Yeah, but let's not kid ourselves. What he was doing at 18-19 (however old he was when Trent found him) was way ahead of what I was doing at that age. At least, in the web/design game. Haven't seen his early photo work, now that I think about it. When did he start actually shooting the shows? Are there any archives of that somewhere?

Is there an archive of his original site somewhere?

That's the story, right? Trent saw Rob's NIN fan website and hired him?

[jmtd]

Even worse, I just realised I don't have reptilian in my NIN collection

[sick among the pure]

Rob's a great photographer
Eh, more like Rob's a good photographer with great access/opportunity. His performance shots have gotten better recently, but I've still seen better done by fans. His wife's photography is really better in my opinion, at least her technical skill and studio work. Rob is more of a design/illustration guy, anyhow. That's what he went to school for, that's what the majority of his portfolio is. He's an art director. I much prefer his earlier work, though. TFA/AATCHB and WT was his best work, in my opinion. Then again, I have a bias toward minimalistic macro photography, and microscopy art.

[implanted_microchip]

Well as long as we're talking about design/covers, the guy who designed this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31MeFuf4oNL.jpg

Definitely needs to make a comeback. Easily the most beautiful cover out of all of NIN's discography.

[fillow]

not sure if sarcasim

[gorast]

Is it one of those things where people circlejerk over "minimalist" crap? If that's the case, then sure, it's great.

In pretty much any other case, no.

[implanted_microchip]

Totally sarcastic. I've always thought it was ridiculous that that's what they used for the "deluxe edition" when the standard actually looks infinitely better. I forget sometimes that the internet isn't always the best place for sarcasm.

[screwdriver]

Totally sarcastic. I've always thought it was ridiculous that that's what they used for the "deluxe edition" when the standard actually looks infinitely better. I forget sometimes that the internet isn't always the best place for sarcasm.

that case looks like it has drunk vision

[implanted_microchip]

Maybe "And All That Could Have Been" is meant to refer to what the artwork could've been like, I don't know. I just really like the mental image I have of Trent, after spending so much time putting the live album together and then all the work on Still, getting sent that piece of "artwork" and having to look at it and decide "This is fine." It's like whoever made it (I want to say it was the same person who did the actual artwork for the Fragile, which if I'm remembering correctly is really tough to believe) realized at the last minute that they had a commission and just said "I'll put the words on it but we'll print it on cloth, that'll make it seem special."

Oh and the Head Like a Hole cover always amazed me in its laziness, too. At least with that though the special picture sleeve edition looks great.

[Ryan]

Well as long as we're talking about design/covers, the guy who designed this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31MeFuf4oNL.jpg

Definitely needs to make a comeback. Easily the most beautiful cover out of all of NIN's discography.


I don't mind it so much as all the other variations of AATCHB are pretty nice. Plus the deluxe edition feels nice and fuzzy on your fingers, and the drunk looking letters reflect the same artistic typography from the era.

Whenever I see the standard CD version of AATCHB, though, I always see it as the NIN logo floating among clouds during sunset, with the yellow color being the sun reflecting.

Still reminds me of a blurry little boat floating in the middle of nowhere.

And the DVD of AATCHB is apparently a photo being shot up from inside a grave or a hole or something looking upward to the sky.

http://www.ninwiki.com/images/7/74/AATCHB_cover.jpg

http://www.ninwiki.com/images/f/f9/Still_cover.jpg

http://www.ninwiki.com/images/3/3c/AATCHB_video_cover.jpg

[m15a]

Oh and the Head Like a Hole cover always amazed me in its laziness, too.

Assuming you're talking about the US version, it might have been rushed because the UK version art was meant to be the standard art. Apparently, TVT didn't want to pay for color printing. Some quotes from Trent (http://www.theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=327):


Oh, try to find the import 'h.l.a.h.' single. It has the artwork that was intended for the original release but was rejected by TVT because it cost too much (it had color). It also has a cool other version (like you need one) of 'h.l.a.h.'


The colored HLAH single (the import) is the way i intended it to be released, but TVT released the black & white one with all the extra (i think boring) mixes & ugly cover.

(I always thought TVT rejected it because they thought it wasn't cool enough or something, but I guess I made that up.)

[implanted_microchip]

I definitely like the texture of the deluxe edition; I remember having no idea that it was cloth-bound. When I actually found it it was in a bargain bin for something around 15 dollars, and for whatever reason at the time I thought it was a rare release and freaked out. Couldn't wait to get my hands on it. When I took it out of the package and actually felt it, it was incredibly cool and just really unusual. Even though I know it's far from special/valuable now (I was an extremely novice collector at the time) I still love having it simply because it was the first sense of "rarity" I ever had while buying a NIN item.

[cabezas]

this saturday will be the second time to attend to a NIN concert (first one was LITS08)... i'm nervous and eager (for realz)

[icecream]

this saturday will be the second time to attend to a NIN concert (first one was LITS08)... i'm nervous and eager (for realz)
My first was LITS08 too, then Tension for my second. You are pretty lucky to live outside of the U.S/Can and experience both the large production and scaled back NIN. Assuming the S.A stint is the same as the Aus/NZ dates.

[heavenly_bearded]

Happy 20th to halo 7!

[sick among the pure]

Happy 20th to halo 7!

Came out Feb 25th according to ninwiki.

[heavenly_bearded]

Came out Feb 25th according to ninwiki.

Guess it depends on which country you're in...

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo340/sexmachine23_photos/01-00725-1_zps6030cec9.jpg (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/sexmachine23_photos/media/01-00725-1_zps6030cec9.jpg.html)

The UK version of Halo 7 was always my favorite to collect. So I guess I should have said "Happy Birthday halo 7 UK" - I stand corrected...

[seasonsinthesky]

"And All That Could Have Been" ... It's like whoever made it (I want to say it was the same person who did the actual artwork for the Fragile, which if I'm remembering correctly is really tough to believe) realized at the last minute that they had a commission and just said "I'll put the words on it but we'll print it on cloth, that'll make it seem special."

it was indeed David Carson, but working with Rob Sheridan as well this time. don't forget TR has to OK any artwork too. it's not like he just let them loose and said yes. the drab grey has a purpose, whatever that may be. (personally, i'd say it suits Still better, especially the feeling of "Adrift and at Peace" and "Gone, Still." maybe that's why it's on the deluxe version.)

the 'drunk typography' interpretation is disturbingly fitting, considering how soon TR entered rehab after Halo 17 came out.


Still reminds me of a blurry little boat floating in the middle of nowhere.

And the DVD of AATCHB is apparently a photo being shot up from inside a grave or a hole or something looking upward to the sky.

the official artwork PDF that comes with Still on iTunes has a wider cover with either a part of a submarine or a jet engine (how dark if it's underwater...) on the left.

also, Carson said (http://www.ninwiki.com/Halo_17#Artwork) the top of the AATCHB DVD cover is looking out of an old, rusty bomb shelter.

honestly, all of these sound more and more related to the 'bottom of the hole before rehab' interpretation.

[Ryan]

Can I see this Still iTunes PDF please?

[That other guy]

Name the NIN song to go with this:

https://twitter.com/Mark_Cip/status/449750515031609344 (https://twitter.com/Mark_Cip/status/449750515031609344)


My fucked up day!!!!! I hate America's scum even more sometimes..

[icecream]

How cool would it be for Trent to go on WTF and have a conversation with Marc Maron? Love that podcast. It's the only one where I could listen to any episode of because of how great of a host Marc is.

[Harry Seaward]

How cool would it be for Trent to go on WTF and have a conversation with Marc Maron? Love that podcast. It's the only one where I could listen to any episode of because of how great of a host Marc is.

I remember Marc actually reached out to Trent on Twitter about this once, after his podcasts with Maynard and Josh Homme. I would love this, Marc is fantastic.

[sheepdean]

I'd rather see Trent on Pensado's Place, seems more fitting
(Or Atticus/Alan/Ally)

[Harry Seaward]

I'd rather see Trent on Pensado's Place, seems more fitting
(Or Atticus/Alan/Ally)

Different strokes. Maybe I'm a pleb but I'm far more interested in the person and where the emotion comes from than I am about the technical aspects of the music.

[Omega]

Thought I heard cricket noise in WITT..or was it Just Like You Imagined? One of those.

[sheepdean]

Different strokes. Maybe I'm a pleb but I'm far more interested in the person and where the emotion comes from than I am about the technical aspects of the music.
True, but Trent normally does that kinda interview, Pensado's is almost unique and something that someone of Trent's musical scope could really show off in

[icecream]

Has Trent been on any podcasts?

[botley]

Name the NIN song to go with this:

https://twitter.com/Mark_Cip/status/449750515031609344 (https://twitter.com/Mark_Cip/status/449750515031609344)
All Tire Low?

[Charmingly Miserable]

I have such a girl crush on Ilan.

[ethan829]

I have such a girl crush on Ilan.

Okay so don't get me wrong, Ilan is great, but has he gotten a little pudgier since LITS?

[Charmingly Miserable]

Okay so don't get me wrong, Ilan is great, but has he gotten a little pudgier since LITS?
Perhaps, but I don't care. I like a little meat on my guy. Plus, wasn't Ilan something like 21 for LITS? He was just a kid!!!

[dlb]

listened to the DTS version of [with_teeth] today and goddamn I love that album!!!

[ethan829]

Perhaps, but I don't care. I like a little meat on my guy. Plus, wasn't Ilan something like 21 for LITS? He was just a kid!!!

Didn't mean to say that he looks bad or anything. Just something I thought I noticed.

[ophelia_]

I have such a girl crush on Ilan.

You're only human. It's pretty impossible not to have a crush on a man with hair that fabulous.

[Charmingly Miserable]

You're only human. It's pretty impossible not to have a crush on a man with hair that fabulous.

Hell yeah!!! I almost feel like a perv for admitting it because I am like 6 to 8 years older than him, but hot damn!!!!

[sick among the pure]

I feel like Trent gave up on April Fools day since he can never top Strobe Light.

[sheepdean]

There has been original music, remixes, guest appearances or produced work by Trent released every year since 1985. Is he aware he's never actually had a hiatus?

[screwdriver]

the ACL Sanctified reinforces a problem I increasingly have with modern presentations of music --

the music sounds absolutely incredible

however, everyone except Trent, Pino, and the backup singers looks incredibly bored and borderline silly. the live show is almost entirely dependent on the visuals, which is great when it works (man I wish I could go back and see HTDA again!) but stripped down like this...

[tony.parente]

Trent should invite a live drummer into the studio again like he did on with teeth.
I miss that.

[m15a]

the ACL Sanctified reinforces a problem I increasingly have with modern presentations of music --

the music sounds absolutely incredible

however, everyone except Trent, Pino, and the backup singers looks incredibly bored and borderline silly. the live show is almost entirely dependent on the visuals, which is great when it works (man I wish I could go back and see HTDA again!) but stripped down like this...

Not sure if that's only a modern problem. Seems to me like a lot of bands have had different ways of getting over looking bored or silly, whether it's dancing around and antics or looking very formal and uniform so you don't pay attention to them . . . They can end up looking silly in retrospect anyway - artificial, I guess.

Anyway, not saying I disagree, but I prefer bands looking silly or bored over the alternative of playing only music or venues that look cool.

And, speaking of looking silly, did anyone else watch the Capital Cities concert on the Lollapalooza live stream? ;)

[screwdriver]

Not sure if that's only a modern problem. Seems to me like a lot of bands have had different ways of getting over looking bored or silly, whether it's dancing around and antics or looking very formal and uniform so you don't pay attention to them . . . They can end up looking silly in retrospect anyway - artificial, I guess.

Anyway, not saying I disagree, but I prefer bands looking silly or bored over the alternative of playing only music or venues that look cool.

And, speaking of looking silly, did anyone else watch the Capital Cities concert on the Lollapalooza live stream? ;)

well, yes and no

it's pretty modern in that there's a lot more 'knob-tweakin' and backing tracks going these days. like in this one, Ilan is (barely) playing (what looks like) Maschine. had he been actually playing drums, you've got way more of a visual presentation already. this is an aesthetic choice here, and it's one that just doesn't really do it for me. but it's all good.

[WorzelG]

well, yes and no

it's pretty modern in that there's a lot more 'knob-tweakin' and backing tracks going these days. like in this one, Ilan is (barely) playing (what looks like) Maschine. had he been actually playing drums, you've got way more of a visual presentation already. this is an aesthetic choice here, and it's one that just doesn't really do it for me. but it's all good.
Isn't this a product of having an 8 piece band at this point though - when they went down to a 4 piece in Australia people seemed to have more complaints of too much being put on backing tracks than they did in Tension (although I haven't seen either, so I guess I'm just going on what people say in the tour journals / twitter etc)

[butter_hole]

the ACL Sanctified reinforces a problem I increasingly have with modern presentations of music --

the music sounds absolutely incredible

however, everyone except Trent, Pino, and the backup singers looks incredibly bored and borderline silly. the live show is almost entirely dependent on the visuals, which is great when it works (man I wish I could go back and see HTDA again!) but stripped down like this...
hard to act natural when there are 5 cameras staring at your face

[butter_hole]

Weird how on April 1 2012 (I think) Rob did a dumb little April Fools thing where he pretended to tweet at TR, looking for approval for a NIN tour announcement.

Cut to two years later, April 1 2014, and they're actually halfway through a world tour...

[Kyle]

hard to act natural when there are 5 cameras staring at your face
After all these years, he should be so used to that that it doesn't even phase him.

[screwdriver]

hard to act natural when there are 5 cameras staring at your face

well, they've been having thousands of fans staring at them for a few years, so I'm not really sure I agree with your argument, but thats besides the point -- I'm not asking to act natural, in fact, the opposite -- act excited! it's just not that dynamic to occasionally push a button on maschine. again, this was a deliberate stylistic choice and I respect that, just musing on my own preferences

[NINisamazing]

This might be short sighted. But Trent was talking about in the austin city limits interview (cut to loud breathing noises of the interviewer), how he is bored with the aggressive style of nin. Yet, he is doing it now, and he is probably going to do it with the soundgarden tour. Am I the only one who wants Trent to explore/experiment NIN more live?

anyway....

Also, Trent mentioned he has a long way to go as a song writer and really wants to get better at evoking emotion.

Dude, i have cried several times while listening to your music. I think you got the whole evoking emotion thing down pretty good.

[theimage13]

When I saw the newest Muppets movie, I had a hard time not thinking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzPdS_gHzA

[sweeterthan]

That ACL interview is really great. I hope he continues to make music well into his twilight years.

[jessamineny]

Also, Trent mentioned he has a long way to go as a song writer and really wants to get better at evoking emotion.

Dude, i have cried several times while listening to your music. I think you got the whole evoking emotion thing down pretty good.

It's probably not just about being humble, although I'm sure that's a little of it. It's probably mostly wrapped up in the whole idea of challenging himself, discomfort used as a tool for growth and discovery, not getting lazy and bored. That sort of thing. It's admirable. He's not being insecure and baiting for compliments. :)

[howdidislipinto]

So excited to watch a pro-shot, HD performance of the Tension version of The Frail/The Wretched this weekend. The sound mix better put Lisa's amazing scream for the chorus front and center.

[Kyle]

This might be short sighted. But Trent was talking about in the austin city limits interview (cut to loud breathing noises of the interviewer), how he is bored with the aggressive style of nin. Yet, he is doing it now, and he is probably going to do it with the soundgarden tour. Am I the only one who wants Trent to explore/experiment NIN more live?

anyway....

Also, Trent mentioned he has a long way to go as a song writer and really wants to get better at evoking emotion.

Dude, i have cried several times while listening to your music. I think you got the whole evoking emotion thing down pretty good.
The mix up of styles on different tour legs was because of boredom. He was probably bored of the aggressive style of NIN at the time. Doesn't mean he is now.

[m15a]

This might be short sighted. But Trent was talking about in the austin city limits interview (cut to loud breathing noises of the interviewer), how he is bored with the aggressive style of nin. Yet, he is doing it now, and he is probably going to do it with the soundgarden tour. Am I the only one who wants Trent to explore/experiment NIN more live?

I might have missed the part you're talking about specifically, but I thought it was not just about being bored with that style of NIN, but wanting to challenge himself and the band by pushing it in a different direction. It could be that in these past legs he's pushing himself (and the band) in a way that's more subtle. Maybe the interaction between the band members is different or something like that. (Like, maybe he asked the rest of the band what they wanted to do on this leg. ;))

But, to answer your question, no, I'm definitely interested in seeing more experimentation from NIN live. If you think about it, aggressive NIN was at some point an experiment, definitely not an obvious evolution from PHM. But that was a while ago . . .

[GlitchyFlame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCpuuQ0IPbA

"This is a song about masturbation"
-Trent Reznor, 1988

Come on Trent, I think the song is a little deeper than that :P

[sheepdean]

"This is a song about masturbation"
-Trent Reznor, 1988

Come on Trent, I think the song is a little deeper than that :P
"Working my hands until they bleed"

[GlitchyFlame]

"Working my hands until they bleed"

That one line in particular may be referring to masturbating, but the song itself seems to be more than Trent singing about jerking off.

[Kyle]

I loved back in the day when he'd get pissed at the crowd and introduce every song as "this song is about fucking."

[Ryan]

What is your preference: La Mer lp version with keys, or AATCHB version with Robin plucking the key parts on guitar thingy?

[sick among the pure]

"This is a song about masturbation"
-Trent Reznor, 1988

Come on Trent, I think the song is a little deeper than that :P

Ok, fine, it's about masturbation because the one you love is covered in orange dye and so she won't sex you up. Deep enough?

[GlitchyFlame]

Ok, fine, it's about masturbation because the one you love is covered in orange dye and so she won't sex you up. Deep enough?
I shouldn't have been drinking Coffee when I read that...

[seasonsinthesky]

What is your preference: La Mer lp version with keys, or AATCHB version with Robin plucking the key parts on guitar thingy?

i think AATCHB will always win for me — it sounds much fuller because of the bass synth, and Robin's plucking + e-bow guitar later are much more satisfying, imo, than the studio cut.

[blassster]

i think AATCHB will always win for me — it sounds much fuller because of the bass synth, and Robin's plucking + e-bow guitar later are much more satisfying, imo, than the studio cut.

Same. The piano itself sounds better/fuller too, and I like the very end of Robin's part in the song where he releases and it almost sounds like a whale (or dolphin?) siren.

[implanted_microchip]

So I've become addicted to RITC recordings lately and I've decided that Japan undoubtedly gets overall the best-quality NIN shows and that Performance 2007 has one of the best sounds of any NIN incarnation as far as I'm concerned. I really don't have a favorite tour/lineup but this is definitely up there for me.

But honestly, I find the shows from Japan so great that I'd genuinely consider travelling just to see NIN there.

[SarahConnor]

This might be short sighted. But Trent was talking about in the austin city limits interview (cut to loud breathing noises of the interviewer), how he is bored with the aggressive style of nin. Yet, he is doing it now, and he is probably going to do it with the soundgarden tour. Am I the only one who wants Trent to explore/experiment NIN more live?

anyway....

Reznor's not Nina Simone nor someone who is going to radicalize their catalog nightly-
what'd be cool for NIN to do is: instead of having one sex song per masochistic, instrospective LP, have fewer cathartic tracks amongst a sex-jam LP.

[icecream]

The more I listen to While I'm Still Here/Black Noise, the more I love Hesitation Marks. I know it's the new album and we were all excited for new NIN, but for the new albums I have been around for (WT onward), none of them has struck me as much as this one. I thought the albums ranged from Ok to pretty good but I love Hesitation Marks like I do TDS or TF. Only song I don't really care for is Came Back Haunted, it just seems like The Hand that Feeds pt2.

[sweeterthan]

I would agree except the hand that feeds is awesome and CBH is just .... not awesome.

I love HM too except for CBH. I've listened to it a ton since the album came out and I just can't deal with CBH. It's like he purposely wrote a nin cliche song. It just doesn't seem genuine to me and I don't think I've ever said that about any nin song before.

[seasonsinthesky]

I would agree except the hand that feeds is awesome and CBH is just .... not awesome.

I love HM too except for CBH. I've listened to it a ton since the album came out and I just can't deal with CBH. It's like he purposely wrote a nin cliche song. It just doesn't seem genuine to me and I don't think I've ever said that about any nin song before.

agreed, i guess, but the live version is a much better interpretation, i think... it's got a cool intro that the arrangement desperately needed. the only problem left, imo, is that the song just refuses to end; at this point i'd take the NIN-cliché-sudden-ending-out-of-nowhere after the last chorus than the unnecessary-NIN-cliché "just can't stop"-stop after the usual buildup (a la THTF, LY, GG, etc.).

[implanted_microchip]

I actually really like CBH. It worked for what it was: yes, it has tons of the usual for NIN, and the whole idea was that it was "the comeback single" that let us all know that NIN is still here and still sounds like NIN. I know a lot of casual fans or people who never listen to NIN who ended up getting HM because of it, it fits well on HM as far as I'm concerned (I mean if we're going to complain that it's a re-tread thematically, well then all of HM kinda is). The video is a whole other story that I won't get into, but as far as the song itself is concerned I think it's perfectly fine as a catchy, louder NIN song that doesn't try to be anything it's not. It's not my favorite HM track by any means, but it's certainly far from my least favorite. Within context of the album I think to try and say that it isn't genuine is to try and say none of HM is genuine; the whole thing deals with similar themes and subjects.

Oh, and Trent repeats phrases at the ends of songs all the goddamn time, even Copy of a ends after a ton of repeating the chorus.

[screwdriver]

I actually really like CBH. It worked for what it was: yes, it has tons of the usual for NIN, and the whole idea was that it was "the comeback single" that let us all know that NIN is still here and still sounds like NIN. I know a lot of casual fans or people who never listen to NIN who ended up getting HM because of it, it fits well on HM as far as I'm concerned (I mean if we're going to complain that it's a re-tread thematically, well then all of HM kinda is). The video is a whole other story that I won't get into, but as far as the song itself is concerned I think it's perfectly fine as a catchy, louder NIN song that doesn't try to be anything it's not. It's not my favorite HM track by any means, but it's certainly far from my least favorite. Within context of the album I think to try and say that it isn't genuine is to try and say none of HM is genuine; the whole thing deals with similar themes and subjects.

Oh, and Trent repeats phrases at the ends of songs all the goddamn time, even Copy of a ends after a ton of repeating the chorus.

I .... really, really like CBH
unapologetically
it's got a nice condensation of everything I like about NIN


THTF, on the other hand... the recording does nothing for me and the live version even less. it's all surface level and it's a fine pop song, but I like weird noises, of which there are precious few in THTF

[sweeterthan]

Haha^^^ to each his own, I guess.

Perhaps genuine is the wrong term. CBH just feels like it was written to be a single while every other song on HM seems inspired.

[icecream]

Haha^^^ to each his own, I guess.

Perhaps genuine is the wrong term. CBH just feels like it was written to be a single while every other song on HM seems inspired.
This
I agree with the other people here who think Satellite would have been a better single.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I love Josh's rings he wore for Austin City Limits. See Sanctified 2.35 mark.

[sweeterthan]

I love all of the ACL performance. So fucking good.

[implanted_microchip]

I figure they stayed away from saying much about the Tension DVD because of ACL and not wanting to take attention away from that. Now that it's been said and done I'm guessing we'll get something about the Tension disc within the next month (especially now that they're on a small break from touring again).

[Ryan]

NIN = so many feels.


http://www.ninwiki.com/Recurring_lyrics#Feel

Feel

Suck: "how does it feel"
Gave Up: "forgot how it feels, well almost"
Fist Fuck: "oh you just wish I could feel that way too"
I Do Not Want This: "to those who know what it really feels like" / "don't you tell me how I feel, you don't know just how I feel"
Last: "still feel it all slipping away"
Memorabilia: "I know what it feels like"
The Big Come Down: "it feels like it keeps coming from the inside"
The Way Out Is Through (http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Way_Out_Is_Through): "we feel so small"
The Wretched / The Great Collapse (http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Great_Collapse): "now you know this is what it feels like"
The Hand That Feeds: "and you feel just fine"
Every Day Is Exactly The Same: "I can feel their eyes are watching"
Only: "and I had this funny feeling"
Getting Smaller: "don’t know what to feel"
Sunspots: "I feel it coming" / "I have to apologize for the way I feel"
Beside You In Time: "feel the little pieces bleeding through" / "I can feel me start to fade away"
Right Where It Belongs: "feel the hollowness inside of your heart"
Home: "and it feels I’m getting to the end"
Me, I’m Not: "I feel it coming apart"
In This Twilight: "and it feels like, like it was a friend" / "do you wonder if it feels the same?" / "what it feels like, and I won't feel again" / "and the longing that you feel"
Discipline (http://www.ninwiki.com/Discipline): "feels like I’m wearing down"
Hurt: "the feelings disappear"
Kinda I Want To: "I can't shake this feeling from my head"
1,000,000: "I feel a million miles away"
Demon Seed (http://www.ninwiki.com/Demon_Seed): "And I can feel it breathe"
Echoplex: "you feel me breathe, I am watching you"
The Great Below: "I can still feel you, even so far away"
My Violent Heart: "feel it coming now"
Underneath It All (http://www.ninwiki.com/Underneath_It_All): "I can still feel you"

[m0reta]

I guess Trent was....hooked on a FEELing! hahahhaha!!

(Oh I am so so sorry...I just came back from Winter Soldier...)

[Ryan]

sweeterthan - Got your package today - totally forgot about those, thank you very much! And yes, I'm still using an iPhone. I put on the one in the second pic and it looks purdy. :)



http://oi57.tinypic.com/1qr9eq.jpg


http://oi57.tinypic.com/f8d1h.jpg

[sick among the pure]

I am SO UPSET with casemate, because I just updated to an iPhone 5 (fiance broke his phone, so I gave him my 4) and I CAN'T GET MY NIN CASE :mad:

[sweeterthan]

sweeterthan - Got your package today - totally forgot about those, thank you very much! And yes, I'm still using an iPhone. I put on the one in the second pic and it looks purdy. :)



http://oi57.tinypic.com/1qr9eq.jpg


http://oi57.tinypic.com/f8d1h.jpg

Yay! So glad you got them. It does look pretty.

I still owe another ETSer a package with cases but I've misplaced them somewhere. I hope they turn up soon!



I am SO UPSET with casemate, because I just updated to an iPhone 5 (fiance broke his phone, so I gave him my 4) and I CAN'T GET MY NIN CASE :mad:

I totally feel you on this. I almost didn't want to upgrade my phone because of my case collection. I contracted for Casemate for a few years and acquired a ton of cases while there. I had so many nin ones. I was heart broken I couldn't use them anymore on my 5.

[[73]]

I still use my iPhone 4 with NIN Casemate cases. Even if I upgrade to a new phone, I will still keep the iPhone 4 to use as an MP3 player.

I have some iPhone 4 NIN Casemate cases that haven't been used. If anyone is interested in purchasing one for a decent price, please send me a PM.

[Marty Kirra]

I was thinking the other day, With Teeth through the LITS-era of NIN is probably my favorite. The fan interaction during this time was amazing, it's personally my favorite chunk of NIN music, the ARG, there was a whole lot going on. Remember when Trent would give out tickets to upcoming shows and for some reason Diddy always won? Strobelight? NIN/JA? There was some awesome shit back then!

[NINisamazing]

The comment section on NIN facebook posts are the void of the universe. (generally speaking.)

[Kyle]

The comment section on most Internet pages are the void of the universe. (generally speaking.)
Fixed for you.

[Charmingly Miserable]

Remember when Trent would give out tickets to upcoming shows and for some reason Diddy always won?
Wait, what did I miss?

For shits and giggles, Trent should release Strobelight. I'm still rooting for Still Hurts.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I still maintain that Clap Trap Crack Slap has the potential to be the best song ever written.

[butter_hole]

Nice bed sheets, Ryan

[wizfan]

Pussygrinder has been written, albeit by another band called GoFight. Note: This is a remix. The album version is better, but I can't find it online right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9xFM8D4WY

[elevenism]

Pussygrinder has been written, albeit by another band called GoFight. Note: This is a remix. The album version is better, but I can't find it online right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9xFM8D4WY
Jesus, but aint that some early nineties pop throwback? except it says "pussy" in it.
Lololol.

[Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjURnn8DAyY



Pretty much the best thing in existence.

[eversonpoe]

I still maintain that Clap Trap Crack Slap has the potential to be the best song ever written.

i always hear it in my head like it's the beginning of "professional widow" by tori amos (in place of "slag pit stag shit")