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icecream
11-15-2013, 02:44 PM
I think In This Twilight into Zero Sum piano outro then into In Two would be really cool. Or The Frail into In Two.

staleincense
11-15-2013, 03:52 PM
Tetsuo theme flows pretty nicely into The Eater of Dreams
I can actually imagine that working really well, I've got to try it out...

Halo Infinity
11-15-2013, 04:26 PM
Holy fuck that is perfect. I never know how to argue when someone like listens to a few songs of them and is like "meh I don't get it". Yeah b/c you've spent 2 minutes with it..

I wish people weren't so impatient when it comes to music. Thankfully my dad raised me with the habit of treating music as something you need to get to know. I know for certain that my first impression is not to be trusted. I've discovered and loved so much great music that way. People are looking to be grabbed instantly instead of slowly seduced when it comes to music, and it just sucks because they really limit their possible taste horizons that way.
I'm seriously starting to wonder if that's why I shouldn't have subjected some pop fans to Nine Inch Nails. Even though they don't end up hating it, it just didn't seem to instantly click to them. And of course, not all pop fans are like this, but I have meet some of them that really are that way.

I seriously thought that pop fans would've immediately eaten up songs like Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Closer, Into The Void, and Only. I really wonder what NIN's missing, because I can't find it, unless it goes back to them expecting to get it in 2 minutes or less. :confused:

And when I say pop, I'm talking about the Madonna, Michael Jackson, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, NKOTB, Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, and Justin Timberlake crowds... so does this mean I that I shouldn't get my hopes up for some of them also liking Capital G, Echoplex, Copy Of A, All Time Low, Disappointed, or Satellite? :p

(Oh, and I obviously didn't mean to entirely limit pop music to just them, but I just did it as an attempt to give you a clear picture of what I mean. And heck, NIN makes very good pop too. ;))

m15a
11-15-2013, 04:49 PM
I'm seriously starting to wonder if that's why I shouldn't have subjected some pop fans to Nine Inch Nails. Even though they don't end up hating it, it just didn't seem to instantly click to them. And of course, not all pop fans are like this, but I have meet some of them that really are that way.

I seriously thought that pop fans would've immediately eaten up songs like Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Closer, Into The Void, and Only. I really wonder what NIN's missing, because I can't find it, unless it goes back to them expecting to get it in 2 minutes or less. :confused:


pop songs may be designed to be instantly gratifying*, but that doesn't mean that pop fans are necessarily less willing to spend time to appreciate music. (and just because NN music takes some time/concentration to understand, doesn't mean NIN fans will necessarily give new music a lot of time/concentration (source: ETS :p ).) my point is that you shouldn't expect to change the way you present music to have it appeal to a different group. you should change the audience's expectation to suit the music.

* i'm not sure how true this is. there are definitely some "pop" albums that have taken me several listens to like. (off the top of my head: Back to Basics by Christina Aguilera.)

EDIT: LOL. you (also) keep editing your post. i think the problem is that the "pop" label isn't that great in the first place. but, anyway, i think it's important to remember that there aren't really fans of certain genres. there are fans of certain music in certain genres.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-15-2013, 05:09 PM
I think you are. It's one of my favorite live renditions.
Maybe it's just the arena acoustics, but the chorus of Survivalism has been pretty unintelligible at the two shows I've seen.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-15-2013, 05:23 PM
I'm seriously starting to wonder if that's why I shouldn't have subjected some pop fans to Nine Inch Nails. Even though they don't end up hating it, it just didn't seem to instantly click to them. And of course, not all pop fans are like this, but I have meet some of them that really are that way.

I seriously thought that pop fans would've immediately eaten up songs like Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Closer, Into The Void, and Only. I really wonder what NIN's missing, because I can't find it, unless it goes back to them expecting to get it in 2 minutes or less. :confused:
I don't think you can ever predict how people will react to music that doesn't line up with the stuff they already like (or hate). There's a lot of distance between Pop-pop and NIN-pop.

How much pop would a NIN-pop pop if a NIN-pop could pop pop?

Charmingly Miserable
11-15-2013, 05:23 PM
Maybe it's just the arena acoustics, but the chorus of Survivalism has been pretty unintelligible at the two shows I've seen.

Ok, so maybe I am.


I think it would be interesting to hear a Death Grips remix of NIN. Maybe the Great Destroyer or Satellite.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-15-2013, 05:50 PM
I think it would be interesting to hear a Death Grips remix of NIN. Maybe the Great Destroyer or Satellite.
So now I have to check out Death Grips too. This place will keep me in new music for months at this rate. :)

Halo Infinity
11-15-2013, 06:13 PM
EDIT: LOL. you (also) keep editing your post. i think the problem is that the "pop" label isn't that great in the first place. but, anyway, i think it's important to remember that there aren't really fans of certain genres. there are fans of certain music in certain genres.
Yeah, sorry about that. I ended up wondering if I leave stuff out, or sometimes have a regular habit of saying things before completely saying them. I guess it's just part of me having lots of fun discussing NIN, but I should take the time to slow it down, tone it down, and think it through before even thinking about posting.

I certainly appreciate your reply as well. And oh yes, I was aware of that too. :)

littlemonkey613
11-15-2013, 06:47 PM
I'm seriously starting to wonder if that's why I shouldn't have subjected some pop fans to Nine Inch Nails. Even though they don't end up hating it, it just didn't seem to instantly click to them. And of course, not all pop fans are like this, but I have meet some of them that really are that way.

I seriously thought that pop fans would've immediately eaten up songs like Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Closer, Into The Void, and Only. I really wonder what NIN's missing, because I can't find it, unless it goes back to them expecting to get it in 2 minutes or less. :confused:

And when I say pop, I'm talking about the Madonna, Michael Jackson, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, NKOTB, Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, and Justin Timberlake crowds... so does this mean I that I shouldn't get my hopes up for some of them also liking Capital G, Echoplex, Copy Of A, All Time Low, Disappointed, or Satellite? :p

(Oh, and I obviously didn't mean to entirely limit pop music to just them, but I just did it as an attempt to give you a clear picture of what I mean. And heck, NIN makes very good pop too. ;))

My friends who are fans of pop music do seem to take an immediate liking to The Hand That Feeds, All Time Low, Satellite, Capital G, The Beginning of the End, Closer (obviously) and The Fragile (the song)

Halo Infinity
11-15-2013, 08:45 PM
I know I'm not helping by perpetuating the constant mentions of Marilyn Manson in other parts of ETS that aren't the Marilyn Manson thread, but it really is hard for me to watch this and even think that I'm over it. I really miss these days, and actually hope that there would be a time when they can be cool again in this lifetime. I also loved the way Trent screams, "Hate!" in The Beautiful People. And yes, I know, it's obviously nostalgia and wishful thinking speaking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHe4OTS_Yew

allegro
11-16-2013, 12:59 AM
Ain't happening. Manson is a mess. And didn't you read Manson's BOOK? I doubt that Reznor will ever get over that kind of betrayal. The 90s are very over.

theimage13
11-16-2013, 06:44 AM
28 Famous People Who You Might Not Know Were Band Geeks (http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyhennen/28-famous-people-you-didnt-know-were-band-geeks)

Not mentioned: Trent Reznor. Booooooooo, buzzfeed. Boo.

Omega
11-16-2013, 07:06 AM
Friend is going to the Portland show, a bit jealous! Oh well.

NIN has the best music ever made and will ever be made!!!!!! *NIN*!!!!

henryeatscereal
11-16-2013, 10:22 AM
Ain't happening. Manson is a mess. And didn't you read Manson's BOOK? I doubt that Reznor will ever get over that kind of betrayal. The 90s are very over.
I didn't read it... what happened?

staleincense
11-16-2013, 10:30 AM
Apparently, there's some NIN bootleg from 1994 called "Homeboy Renzor". (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/nine_inch_nails/homeboy_renzor/)

For some reason, I find this hilarious.

EndlessLoveless
11-16-2013, 11:11 AM
Holy fuck me, I don't know where to post this...my friend is kimmels assistant, and I couldve gone to see them but I'm in Chicago and just took a bunch of time off work. Anyways, today in the mail I just got the placard from their dressing room door, signed by TR. How do I post a pic????

Halo Infinity
11-16-2013, 11:34 AM
Ain't happening. Manson is a mess. And didn't you read Manson's BOOK? I doubt that Reznor will ever get over that kind of betrayal. The 90s are very over.
I still have yet to actually get it, and yes, it's exactly why I said it was just nostalgia and wishful thinking speaking.

Halo Infinity
11-16-2013, 11:47 AM
28 Famous People Who You Might Not Know Were Band Geeks (http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyhennen/28-famous-people-you-didnt-know-were-band-geeks)

Not mentioned: Trent Reznor. Booooooooo, buzzfeed. Boo.
That sometimes seems to happen a lot. I also couldn't help but notice that too. :p

Scraptalicious
11-16-2013, 12:14 PM
You know what would be a great song to hear reworked with NIN's current backup singers/Pallandino-augmented lineup? Another Version Of The Truth.

Think about it: Pino laying down a bed of that bassline as Alessandro piles on layers of synth and the backup singers improvise over it... it would be glorious, I tell you. Glorious.

allegro
11-16-2013, 12:31 PM
I didn't read it... what happened?
Way too much betrayal of confidence to post in a thread.


I still have yet to actually get it, and yes, it's exactly why I said it was just nostalgia and wishful thinking speaking.
Read it and any nostalgia and wishful thinking is replaced by a feeling of ew.

Halo Infinity
11-16-2013, 12:38 PM
Out of all things I've gotten Marilyn Manson, I never got The Long Hard Road Out of Hell. I also owe it to myself as somebody that was really obsessed with him in high school to actually get it. Thanks for reminding me though, because I sometimes forget that he even wrote such a book.

icecream
11-16-2013, 12:45 PM
Holy fuck me, I don't know where to post this...my friend is kimmels assistant, and I couldve gone to see them but I'm in Chicago and just took a bunch of time off work. Anyways, today in the mail I just got the placard from their dressing room door, signed by TR. How do I post a pic????
A lot of people here just upload it to flickr or another photo sharing site and then post the link here.

allegro
11-16-2013, 12:48 PM
Out of all things I've gotten Marilyn Manson, I never got The Long Hard Road Out of Hell. I also owe it to myself as somebody that was really obsessed with him in high school to actually get it. Thanks for reminding me though, because I sometimes forget that he even wrote such a book.

It's one of the funniest books I've ever read. It wouldn't exist without Strauss. And it's a good example of the literary term "unreliable narrator."

Charmingly Miserable
11-16-2013, 10:28 PM
Listening to Lisa wail on Even Deeper gives me the chills every single damn time. It's one of the best songs on the set.

misternegative
11-17-2013, 12:05 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, I made up a NIN playlist, and Closer transitions fucking beautifully into All Time Low. I just had to get that out there.

somethingelse
11-17-2013, 07:48 PM
I hope the Tension line up is the same for the tour in Australia. That would be ace.
Also the whole video call to Andrew Youssef and the song TR chose to dedicate, In This Twilight, being one Andrew is really drawn to atm is pretty cool.

gorast
11-17-2013, 10:19 PM
Seeing the video someone took of ITT with the FaceTime call reminded me just how much I love how Trent does that song live. Like, it's a great song on record, but (like most NIN songs) it takes on a completely different life in a live setting, even without the Zero-Sum piano outro. I listen to the Vegas 2008 performance of it (from TOIOU's Another Version of the Truth) all the time and it never ceases to move me, especially with the connotations the Vegas performance had attached to it.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-17-2013, 10:37 PM
I'm glad we have a video of that. It was such an awesome thing for him to do.

EndlessLoveless
11-18-2013, 09:50 AM
A lot of people here just upload it to flickr or another photo sharing site and then post the link here.

Dude i am not an internet saavy person...dont even know how to do that. The pic is on my cell. If i log onto my acct from there, can i attach it somehow? Let me check this flickr out...

EndlessLoveless
11-18-2013, 10:02 AM
Got it-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/109078103@N04/
This is the dressing room sign, its clear see thru, against the cardboard it was shipped in. Totally unreal. Only one in existence. My most prized possesion.

Leviathant
11-18-2013, 10:07 AM
Got it-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/109078103@N04/
This is the dressing room sign, its clear see thru, against the cardboard it was shipped in. Totally unreal. Only one in existence. My most prized possesion.

As seen on Trent's Instagram @ http://instagram.com/p/gcBOCNTPc3 :)

EndlessLoveless
11-18-2013, 10:14 AM
As seen on Trent's Instagram @ http://instagram.com/p/gcBOCNTPc3 :)
Oh my god i didnt see that. So much cooler. I feel like the luckiest fucking person in the world. Wow.

icecream
11-18-2013, 01:58 PM
Got it-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/109078103@N04/
This is the dressing room sign, its clear see thru, against the cardboard it was shipped in. Totally unreal. Only one in existence. My most prized possesion.
That's so cool! You have awesome friends

EndlessLoveless
11-18-2013, 02:37 PM
That's so cool! You have awesome friends

I do. Like i said before, my friend is kimmels assistant. I couldve totally gone and gotten to meet TR and rest of band probably, but i literally just took 2 weeks off work for birth of my first kid, and it was the week i went back to work. Prob shouldve said fuck it and gone, but with new baby, i need to work. So my friend hooked me up. He is pretty busy and dont talk to him every day, but i want to know the story of it....what he said to TR and if he just pulled the thing off the wall, was it before or after performance.....so many questions......but we had tornados all around yesterday in chicago land, and the one thing i wouldve saved if it came down to it (besides family of course), over thousands and thousands of dollars of music equipment, over everything, wouldve been that. It literally made my world. And to see he fucking tweeted that before.....i had no idea. So so so awesome. Thanks Josh (my buddy, not eustis), and thanks TR!!

scorpiusdiamond
11-18-2013, 03:07 PM
Um, "Trent and the boys"...?
http://metalhammer.co.uk/news/its-official-nine-inch-nails-uk-tour-next-year/

misternegative
11-18-2013, 04:30 PM
Um, "Trent and the boys"...?
http://metalhammer.co.uk/news/its-official-nine-inch-nails-uk-tour-next-year/

It's time to scrap the Nine Inch Nails moniker, and make way for Trent And The Boys, coming soon to a city near you.

Why do I picture the promotional photo of that band being the entire band in Backstreet Boys poses, with Trent front and center?

m15a
11-18-2013, 04:53 PM
Um, "Trent and the boys"...?
http://metalhammer.co.uk/news/its-official-nine-inch-nails-uk-tour-next-year/

i'm sure they mean "the boys" in the raunchy CBS comedy way. (sorry. geographically specific joke. don't know the UK equivalent.)

i wouldn't take that as indicating anything about the band (like not having back-up singers). the phrasing is just too dumb to be taken seriously.

Charmingly Miserable
11-18-2013, 09:57 PM
Why do I picture the promotional photo of that band being the entire band in Backstreet Boys poses, with Trent front and center?
I'm telling you, Satellite is gonna be the next single with some heaving BSB choreography. Trent & Boys is gonna happen in the UK!!! Remember this?

http://youtu.be/xeg5woubNS0

Halo Infinity
11-18-2013, 10:03 PM
I'm just glad that somebody uploaded Closure on YouTube. And if you haven't seen Closure yet, but also want the chance to see it without having to download it, now's your chance. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQw4SAheduU

misternegative
11-18-2013, 11:01 PM
I'm telling you, Satellite is gonna be the next single with some heaving BSB choreography. Trent & Boys is gonna happen in the UK!!! Remember this?

http://youtu.be/xeg5woubNS0

Everything was just the beginning...NIN fans aren't gonna know what hit 'em.

misternegative
11-18-2013, 11:02 PM
This is a complete topic change, but I wasn't sure where else to put this, and it needs to be shown to the NIN fanbase. Enjoy.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c795b9c62dc91cb7969629256391ce7c/tumblr_mw6e9igF9k1sovz6eo1_500.png

m15a
11-18-2013, 11:13 PM
I'm just glad that somebody uploaded Closure on YouTube. And if you haven't seen Closure yet, but also want the chance to see it without having to download it, now's your chance. :)


those NIN fans are kind of adorable.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-18-2013, 11:46 PM
I'm just glad that somebody uploaded Closure on YouTube. And if you haven't seen Closure yet, but also want the chance to see it without having to download it, now's your chance. :)
It's also on the band's official Vimeo account (http://vimeo.com/ninofficial/videos), so no fear it'll get pulled.

You should see the bonus footage (http://vimeo.com/65914235) too.

sick among the pure
11-19-2013, 12:17 AM
This is a complete topic change, but I wasn't sure where else to put this, and it needs to be shown to the NIN fanbase. Enjoy.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c795b9c62dc91cb7969629256391ce7c/tumblr_mw6e9igF9k1sovz6eo1_500.png


I... yep. Ok. I know what I'm putting on a shirt for the next US tour...

Halo Infinity
11-19-2013, 12:49 AM
It's also on the band's official Vimeo account (http://vimeo.com/ninofficial/videos), so no fear it'll get pulled.

You should see the bonus footage (http://vimeo.com/65914235) too.
That's also very good to know. I normally don't go to Vimeo, so I can see why I've easily missed it. I actually caught Broken on it though... but yeah... that didn't last too long. :p

eversonpoe
11-19-2013, 10:00 AM
This is a complete topic change, but I wasn't sure where else to put this, and it needs to be shown to the NIN fanbase. Enjoy.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c795b9c62dc91cb7969629256391ce7c/tumblr_mw6e9igF9k1sovz6eo1_500.png

normally that would go here (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/355-The-Trent-and-NIN-Photoshop-Thread) (where it's actually been posted, but i'm not gonna complain about seeing it again, because it's hilarious).

Scarlet Siren
11-19-2013, 11:40 AM
Going to the US to see NIN was the best thing I ever done in a long time. I had the time of my life and I finally got to hear ITV (even if it was sound check I still got to hear my song so I'm beyond ecstatic!).

So sad to be going home in a few hours :(

So UK dates on sale tomorrow, huh? I'm there, wouldn't miss it for the world!

sick among the pure
11-19-2013, 12:29 PM
Not to clog up NIN Spotting with conversation, posting here.


TR needs to realize JA sucks..No idea why he has such a hard on for them

Wasn't JA's music festival thingie in 91 kinda a big deal for NIN? I mean, that could be a reason he likes them. Maybe.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-19-2013, 12:54 PM
Before NIN/JA, I only knew them for Been Caught Stealing. (Which I hate.) Thankfully there's more to JA than that, even if Perry Farrell is still a weirdo.

Scarlet Siren
11-19-2013, 01:16 PM
Perry Farrell is FABULOUS! <3

Halo Infinity
11-20-2013, 12:11 AM
It's so nice to know that you don't have to sign up to watch Closer on YouTube now. This thankfully means more views, and an easier way to share it on Facebook and Twitter to see Trent spin in all his glory, especially to those that are new to Nine Inch Nails and Closer. :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFwQP86BRs

butter_hole
11-20-2013, 12:36 AM
Wasn't JA's music festival thingie in 91 kinda a big deal for NIN? I mean, that could be a reason he likes them. Maybe.
Might also be their two amazing albums from the early 80s / 90s.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-20-2013, 01:47 AM
Might also be their two amazing albums from the early 80s / 90s.
Yeah. I think it's important to remember that Trent is a music fan above all.

Now that I've actually read the post (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2673-NIN-Spotting-Nov-2013?p=152523#post152523) that started this JA discussion, I can see that even TR couldn't save Perry from being a massive dick. But artists can be like that.

butter_hole
11-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Yeah. I think it's important to remember that Trent is a music fan above all.

Now that I've actually read the post (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2673-NIN-Spotting-Nov-2013?p=152523#post152523) that started this JA discussion, I can see that even TR couldn't save Perry from being a massive dick. But artists can be like that.
Anyone who goes in to work with JA and comes out thinking "Wow, what a dick!" clearly didn't do their research.

Ryan
11-20-2013, 10:26 PM
The more I listen to "Everything" the more I appreciate and love it, and wish it wasn't dissed so much, as I could see it being amazing live. Fuck.

And also fuck, we could have had a music video for it too. Double fuck.

sweeterthan
11-23-2013, 07:41 AM
Everything is awesome. If you don't like the song, you're stupid. Maybe not, but the whole no video thing really got my panties in a bunch.

Is this the worst photo of Trent ever?
http://www.filmmagic.com/photos/Trent-Reznor-during-Grammys-A-M-Records-Party-at-A-M-Records-in-Los/111184540

nooneimportant
11-23-2013, 09:11 PM
It's time to scrap the Nine Inch Nails moniker, and make way for Trent And The Boys, coming soon to a city near you.

Why do I picture the promotional photo of that band being the entire band in Backstreet Boys poses, with Trent front and center?

http://i.imgur.com/LbsYjqf.jpg

With the new single "Hot 'n Fun."

Halo Infinity
11-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Everything is awesome. If you don't like the song, you're stupid. Maybe not, but the whole no video thing really got my panties in a bunch.

Is this the worst photo of Trent ever?
http://www.filmmagic.com/photos/Trent-Reznor-during-Grammys-A-M-Records-Party-at-A-M-Records-in-Los/111184540
Well, there was also that "Oh face." in 2005 or 2006 and another picture from 1994 or 1995. Meathead captioned it with: "Do something!" I can't seem to find them right now though. :p

misternegative
11-25-2013, 12:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/LbsYjqf.jpg

With the new single "Hot 'n Fun."

Don't forget that Trent And The Boys classic, "Came Back Sexy".

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-25-2013, 10:48 PM
So, if part of The Only Time has been permanently assimilated by Closer, can we have a version of TOT without that part?

Totally not saying that just because it's my unfavorite part of TOT. (Fits in better with Closer anyway.)

Ryan
11-25-2013, 10:54 PM
Is this the worst photo of Trent ever?
http://www.filmmagic.com/photos/Trent-Reznor-during-Grammys-A-M-Records-Party-at-A-M-Records-in-Los/111184540

lolololololol

icecream
11-25-2013, 11:13 PM
Is the "Paul Anka – (You're) Having My Baby" Trent trolling us?

SarahConnor
11-26-2013, 12:15 PM
Elliott Smith has an unreleased song with a lyric dissing Reznor.
My inner teenager is so confused, watching his parents fight like this.
The lyrics criticize boozed-up bar patrons' superficial friendliness at a dive where apparently nine inch nails is finishing up 'Head Like A Hole.'
Why the problem? Indie cred?
Maybe Smith & Reznor shared a dealer and it got weird.

"We're All Friends Now,"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlt03-c-e0k

Ryan
11-26-2013, 11:29 PM
I wonder why they've only played The Line Begins To Blur once during the festival/Tension shows?

hani
11-27-2013, 03:27 AM
I wonder why they've only played The Line Begins To Blur once during the festival/Tension shows?

probably they rehearsed it, wanted to check it out live, but when Tension started, TR might just think it didn't fit the set. in Buzzfeed interview he said that this tour was about deep groove stuff, next tour legs might be harder and maybe TLBTB will make a comeback (hopefully)

simonn
11-27-2013, 07:15 AM
Odd thought of the day...I've just read about Neal Schon from Journey and his pay per view wedding. Dismissed it as a horrendous idea and an insult to the sanctity of marriage, blah blah blah.

Then I thought - what if Trent and Mariqueen had done the same thing? (No way they would, obviously!). Would I have paid $15 to see it? I think the answer would have been a slightly hypocritical 'undoubtedly'...! Shame on me and my fanboydom.:rolleyes:

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-27-2013, 05:08 PM
Odd thought of the day...I've just read about Neal Schon from Journey and his pay per view wedding. Dismissed it as a horrendous idea and an insult to the sanctity of marriage, blah blah blah.
I'm not one to get hung up on the sanctity of anything, let alone the Wedding Industrial Complex. But charging people to see it is just tacky.

thatguymark
11-27-2013, 07:13 PM
E

"We're All Friends Now,"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlt03-c-e0k

It's not exactly Elliott's best work. I can see why it remained unreleased during his lifetime. I've always felt he was hit and miss through most of his career, and while it may not be popular opinion, I think he was really just hitting his stride with the songs that became "From a Basement on a Hill." It still saddens me that we didn't get to see what he was really capable of. That goes quadruple for Jeff Buckley.

SarahConnor
11-27-2013, 07:55 PM
I concur that it's really a sketch of a song.

Buzz Osborne of the Melvins recalls the last time he liked music enjoyed by a mass audience. It's 'The Downward Spiral:'

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-melvins-dr-mule-stream-song

scorpiusdiamond
11-27-2013, 08:10 PM
I love everyone's reaction faces in the new Vevo video. Especially during the end... hilarious.

Volband
11-28-2013, 04:59 AM
Trent should occasionally include the demo-lyrics at the end of Wish, I think it's awesome and he did the same with The Collector.

Same goes for ATLITW, though I have no idea how'd that sound.


probably they rehearsed it, wanted to check it out live, but when Tension started, TR might just think it didn't fit the set. in Buzzfeed interview he said that this tour was about deep groove stuff, next tour legs might be harder and maybe TLBTB will make a comeback (hopefully)

So where is where is everybody?

Ryan
11-28-2013, 05:15 AM
Trent should occasionally include the demo-lyrics at the end of Wish, I think it's awesome and he did the same with The Collector.

Same goes for ATLITW, though I have no idea how'd that sound.

Pretty cheesy.

Conan The Barbarian
11-28-2013, 01:18 PM
I just got me the Now Im Nothing and Eraser shirts off nin.com. I love how when you get older and birthdays mean shit, you still buy yourself gifts.

Joy Prevention Hotline
11-28-2013, 04:29 PM
Anyone else think these Vevo videos bode well for a big behind the scenes feature on the (oh please oh please) DVD/Blu-ray?

Last night when I was falling asleep, I had a vision of a deluxe boxed set with discs devoted to the festivals, Tension and the 2014 leg(s). Plus extras like Jimmy Kimmel and ACL. Maybe even a coffee table book of Rob's photos, mmmm. :p

Ryan
11-28-2013, 04:44 PM
Anyone else think these Vevo videos bode well for a big behind the scenes feature on the (oh please oh please) DVD/Blu-ray?

Last night when I was falling asleep, I had a vision of a deluxe boxed set with discs devoted to the festivals, Tension and the 2014 leg(s). Plus extras like Jimmy Kimmel and ACL. Maybe even a coffee table book of Rob's photos, mmmm. :p

That sounds thoroughly sextastic.

wizfan
11-28-2013, 09:10 PM
I'm hoping that Trent will release multitracks from HM. I wish there was another "remix the whole damn thing" disc/torrent/something like the ones we got for YZ, Slip and Ghosts, but I don't see it happening in the near future.

Ryan
11-28-2013, 09:17 PM
I'm hoping that Trent will release multitracks from HM. I wish there was another "remix the whole damn thing" disc/torrent/something like the ones we got for YZ, Slip and Ghosts, but I don't see it happening in the near future.

I wish the god damn instrumental versions of Everything and Came Back Haunted would finally surface rather than just the 30 second samples we have so far.

If the digital promo exists for them both... WHO HAS IT?!

Tyson
11-29-2013, 07:39 AM
I wonder why they've only played The Line Begins To Blur once during the festival/Tension shows?

I hope he drops it into more shows when he gets to Oz. It's one of the few songs on WT I actually enjoy. If it weren't for Right Where It Belongs, The Line Begins to Blue, Home and With Teeth I'd listen to that album way less than I do now. Those four songs make that album for me.

Scarlet Siren
11-29-2013, 07:58 AM
Damn it, Trent! Take all my fucking money why don't you!

Charmingly Miserable
11-29-2013, 03:16 PM
Anyone else think these Vevo videos bode well for a big behind the scenes feature on the (oh please oh please) DVD/Blu-ray?

Last night when I was falling asleep, I had a vision of a deluxe boxed set with discs devoted to the festivals, Tension and the 2014 leg(s). Plus extras like Jimmy Kimmel and ACL. Maybe even a coffee table book of Rob's photos, mmmm. :p
Yeah, all the behind the scenes videos and the Staples Center taping is just one big cock tease of what-are-they-doing? kind of thing. But I think that all that press/taping comes with the record label deal, right?

Halo Infinity
11-29-2013, 04:40 PM
Yes, this is very random. :p

Now that Halloween and Thanksgiving have come and gone yet again, I was just reminded that the colors for The Downward Spiral's artwork certainly have just the right colors for both days. I could probably say the same about Broken's artwork, and I can also see how the colors on The Fragile's artwork can also give me a bit of a Christmas vibe as well.

Charmingly Miserable
11-30-2013, 07:27 PM
I don't know if this is supposed to be funny but I laughed the entire time.

http://youtu.be/E2x-mIctFX8

This Wreckage
11-30-2013, 10:55 PM
With Teeth is extremely underrated among NIN fans.

Charmingly Miserable
12-01-2013, 01:19 AM
With Teeth is extremely underrated among NIN fans.
Omg. I think WT is one of NIN's finest.

FULLMETAL
12-01-2013, 02:45 AM
I think it's strange Charles Fleischer is a NIN fan. Not that I can't imagine him being into the band, but the fact his celebrity status gets him (and I assume his lady friend) backstage passes.

That's my random NIN thought while I wait for the fucking Japanese tour date announcement.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/165580538-actor-charles-fleischer-and-amy-ambrose-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QQckCpCWsnzQCCxE4ICDhbXXXOnS y0x4fwV0PytGn6ada%2fZv0lWwfatQvvIliF65Zw%3d%3d

simonn
12-01-2013, 03:27 AM
With Teeth is extremely underrated among NIN fans.

Where do you get that from? I need to see the poll that lead to that reasoning.:p

Ryan
12-01-2013, 10:27 PM
When "Gave Up" is played live, do those red + blue lights always feature during the song to represent the colors of "Broken" and "Fixed"?

That's the impression I've always had.

brokenfragility
12-02-2013, 12:08 AM
When "Gave Up" is played live, do those red + blue lights always feature during the song to represent the colors of "Broken" and "Fixed"?

That's the impression I've always had.

I always think of those old red and blue 3d glasses. Maybe that is just me. Also, "Broken" is orange.......isn't it?

Ryan
12-02-2013, 12:13 AM
I always think of those old red and blue 3d glasses. Maybe that is just me. Also, "Broken" is orange.......isn't it?

Yeah it is but my mind has just always made that association for some reason. Maybe orange wouldn't look as effective as a light.

Speaking of, where is that deluxe double release of Broken/Fixed you mentioned years ago Trent?!

brokenfragility
12-02-2013, 12:35 AM
Yeah it is but my mind has just always made that association for some reason. Maybe orange wouldn't look as effective as a light.

Speaking of, where is that deluxe double release of Broken/Fixed you mentioned years ago Trent?!

Actually looking at the cover, a case could totally be made for red. There are like red and orange flames (its been forever since I actually studied the cover of Broken) I like that idea though, I've always wondered why Gave Up ALWAYS had that light combo.

Broken could use a god damn remaster. I'll bet that would sound awesome. If there are any unreleased b-sides from Broken I don't know about, I would absolutely die for the chance to hear them.

sheepdean
12-02-2013, 12:47 AM
If there are any unreleased b-sides from Broken I don't know about, I would absolutely die for the chance to hear them.
Now I'm Nothing, the third track that Trent did to go along with Suck and Physical (which we probably already have, but who knows) and Wish (original lyrics) are all I can think of. Though, should the album be remastered? The whole point is its roughness.

But a triple disc release with Broken Movie + commentary etc would not go amiss. Can't even access TPB from the UK anymore without a proxy so the torrent release is a bit out of date.

katara
12-02-2013, 02:42 AM
Wish (original lyrics)
Does any info exist about this? First I've heard of it.

sheepdean
12-02-2013, 02:52 AM
When Wish was played live, prior to Broken, it had extra lyrics at the end. I have no idea if it was recorded like that, but one can assume it was at least demoed

fillow
12-02-2013, 04:10 AM
I've always wondered why Gave Up ALWAYS had that light combo.
Not really always. It started since Fragility.
During Self Destruct arena tour it was yellow/green, IIRC.

Anyway, I really like that some songs stay with their recognizable colors throughout the years (Closer = red, Reptile = green, Wish = white strobes, etc)

Ryan
12-02-2013, 04:19 AM
Does any info exist about this? First I've heard of it.

Unfortunately the link at the bottom no longer works.

http://www.ninwiki.com/Wish_%28song%29

Prior to the release of Broken, the following extra lyrics were sung over what became the instrumental ending:


I think I'm losing it I think I'm losing it I think I'm going down, down, down, down

Direct link (http://www.ninlive.com/audio/1988-1992/07.20.1991/07%20Pista%2007.mp3) to pre-Broken live recording with extra lyrics

Volband
12-02-2013, 05:35 AM
[QUOTE=sheepdean;155219]Now I'm Nothing, the third track that Trent did to go along with Suck and Physical (which we probably already have, but who knows) and Wish (original lyrics) are all I can think of. Though, should the album be remastered? The whole point is its roughness.
[QUOTE]

For me, the album itself is unlistenable, if there's such a word, that is. Gave Up is TERRIBLE, like I'm listening music coming from my neigbours' bathroom, Wish is just simply too quiet, Last is the loudest fucking NIN song ever (which would be fine, and it's actually listenable, but if you compare it to Gave Up for example...), and Happiness In Slavery is the only track which feels like it sounds as it should be. Can't comment on Help Me I'm In Hell since I'm pretty sure I've only listened to it once, and it was during watching the Broken movie. Physical is fine, but it's a shitty track, and Suck is too quiet.

A remaster is definetly needed.

simonn
12-02-2013, 06:46 AM
Can't comment on Help Me I'm In Hell since I'm pretty sure I've only listened to it once, and it was during watching the Broken movie. Physical is fine, but it's a shitty track.

You have a lot to say for someone who's only listenend to HMIAIH once, and never given it the time of day on Broken!

Personally I love Reznor's take on Physical...

emptydesk
12-02-2013, 07:16 AM
it's an album from before roughly 1995, so it has actual dynamics

you have a volume knob for a reason

Khrz
12-02-2013, 07:43 AM
Seeing how it comes after the perfectly clean Pretty Hate Machine, I'd add that Broken is definitely supposed to sound that way. It's not a demo, and not the album of a rookie who doesn't know what he does.
I'd say Volband is amongst the people Reznor meant to piss off when he released that "Fuck You" of an EP that Broken is...
It's pretty much perfect as it is, to me. But that's also my first NIN album, and we know that sets the standard for what you're expecting a band to be ; People coming from With_Teeth era expect clean electronic rock, TDS peeps expect a certain amount of grit, and YZ guys tend to want glitch...

rampface
12-02-2013, 08:28 AM
[QUOTE=sheepdean;155219]Now I'm Nothing, the third track that Trent did to go along with Suck and Physical (which we probably already have, but who knows) and Wish (original lyrics) are all I can think of. Though, should the album be remastered? The whole point is its roughness.
[QUOTE]

For me, the album itself is unlistenable, if there's such a word, that is. Gave Up is TERRIBLE, like I'm listening music coming from my neigbours' bathroom, Wish is just simply too quiet, Last is the loudest fucking NIN song ever (which would be fine, and it's actually listenable, but if you compare it to Gave Up for example...), and Happiness In Slavery is the only track which feels like it sounds as it should be. Can't comment on Help Me I'm In Hell since I'm pretty sure I've only listened to it once, and it was during watching the Broken movie. Physical is fine, but it's a shitty track, and Suck is too quiet.

A remaster is definetly needed.

Your opinion is awful.

sheepdean
12-02-2013, 11:28 AM
For me, the album itself is unlistenable, if there's such a word, that is. Gave Up is TERRIBLE, like I'm listening music coming from my neigbours' bathroom, Wish is just simply too quiet, Last is the loudest fucking NIN song ever (which would be fine, and it's actually listenable, but if you compare it to Gave Up for example...), and Happiness In Slavery is the only track which feels like it sounds as it should be. Can't comment on Help Me I'm In Hell since I'm pretty sure I've only listened to it once, and it was during watching the Broken movie. Physical is fine, but it's a shitty track, and Suck is too quiet.

A remaster is definetly needed.
An album that isn't made for your iPod headphone isn't a badly mastered album. Do you really want Trent to bring in someone to flatten all those lovely peaks? And if you listen to the album from start to finish, without touching the volume, you'll notice that it's MEANT to be like that, jarring you from loud to inaudible. Turn your bass low, treble high, put volume on just high enough so you can hear Pinion from about 10 seconds in and listen to it in full.

Ryan
12-02-2013, 01:59 PM
[QUOTE=Volband;155246][QUOTE=sheepdean;155219]Now I'm Nothing, the third track that Trent did to go along with Suck and Physical (which we probably already have, but who knows) and Wish (original lyrics) are all I can think of. Though, should the album be remastered? The whole point is its roughness.


Your opinion is awful.

It really is.

seasonsinthesky
12-02-2013, 02:48 PM
Now I'm Nothing, the third track that Trent did to go along with Suck and Physical (which we probably already have, but who knows) and Wish (original lyrics) are all I can think of. Though, should the album be remastered? The whole point is its roughness.

But a triple disc release with Broken Movie + commentary etc would not go amiss. Can't even access TPB from the UK anymore without a proxy so the torrent release is a bit out of date.

would be a good place to properly release that MTV Japan 'Top of the Hour' theme he did. it sounds exactly like Broken — even has the same guitar tone.

i'm sure it would likely just be Broken and Fixed together in a package, maybe with the Butch Vig mix of "Last" tacked on. and it would be pressed against the ceiling like the PHM remaster.

it would not fix anything that sounds like it's coming from "the neighbour's bathroom." that was apparently on purpose.

Jon Griffin
12-02-2013, 03:10 PM
Does anyone else think it would be really cool if Trent did a solo acoustic tour, in the vein of the Bridge School Benefit concerts?

katara
12-02-2013, 03:36 PM
Does anyone else think it would be really cool if Trent did a solo acoustic tour, in the vein of the Bridge School Benefit concerts?
The question should be whether there's anyone who doesn't want this to happen.

dlb
12-02-2013, 03:39 PM
I wasn't too fond of that Benefit shows but I guess I'd take any chance to see Trent. :P

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-02-2013, 05:41 PM
When "Gave Up" is played live, do those red + blue lights always feature during the song to represent the colors of "Broken" and "Fixed"?

That's the impression I've always had.
All I know is that it makes my eyeballs throb. In a good way?

I won't mouth off about Broken (well, any more than I already have) until I've listened a few more times. But it's … not easy to listen to. I don't think that's in dispute.

MrSlfDstruct
12-02-2013, 07:32 PM
The Tension version of Copy of A with the live drums kicks so much ass. Tension needs, at the very least, a Blu-ray release.

m15a
12-02-2013, 07:52 PM
I won't mouth off about Broken (well, any more than I already have) until I've listened a few more times. But it's … not easy to listen to. I don't think that's in dispute.

eh. i could dispute that. :p broken has definitely been the pre-WT NIN release i've listened to the most in the past decade. i'm actually going to give it another listen to figure out why people are saying it's hard to listen to.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-02-2013, 07:54 PM
Tension needs, at the very least, a Blu-ray release.
All in favor of IMAX 3D say "Aye."

gorast
12-02-2013, 08:14 PM
All I know is that it makes my eyeballs throb. In a good way?

I won't mouth off about Broken (well, any more than I already have) until I've listened a few more times. But it's … not easy to listen to. I don't think that's in dispute.

I dunno about "not easy to listen to." Fixed, however...

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-02-2013, 08:36 PM
SEE? I'm mouthing off again! :p

I guess for me it's the vehemence, the rawness of the vocals, the way the high end scrapes your ears out with steel wool.

It's like SICNH filtered through a buzz saw and a pissed off cat.

Halo Infinity
12-02-2013, 09:20 PM
I'm still amazed at how The Fragile actually wasn't the first Nine Inch Nails album to divide the fan-base. It's obviously not news to any fan that's been around to have seen it, or at least hear about though. I used to think that the entire fan-base just went along with Broken and The Downward Spiral without any complaints, insults, and discord. Perhaps that could also be why lots of older fans are really good at brushing it off, or not even being taken aback at the slightest when that happens as soon as any new releases have come out.

Halo Infinity
12-02-2013, 09:36 PM
All I know is that it makes my eyeballs throb. In a good way?

I won't mouth off about Broken (well, any more than I already have) until I've listened a few more times. But it's … not easy to listen to. I don't think that's in dispute.
I could actually see that in a way. As much as I love Broken, and promoting NIN's works from 1989-1999 to new/potential fans before anything else... I often wonder if Broken would actually repel them, should they listen to that EP first, especially if they don't really listen to stuff that heavy. And not to say that it's a bad EP, as I love it. Wish just got me instantly hooked with in the first 20 seconds on my very first listen.

allegro
12-02-2013, 10:16 PM
I could actually see that in a way. As much as I love Broken, and promoting NIN's works from 1989-1999 to new/potential fans before anything else... I often wonder if Broken would actually repel them, should they listen to that EP first, especially if they don't really listen to stuff that heavy. And not to say that it's a bad EP, as I love it. Wish just got me instantly hooked with in the first 20 seconds on my very first listen.
Broken was my first Nine Inch Nails record, I bought it shortly after it was released, and I was instantly addicted to it, I must have listened to it 400 times in a row, at least. Through headphones. LOUDLY. I often wonder if the people who are put off by Broken own any other really loud abrasive metal or anything. Christ, there are other records I own and love that make Broken seem like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.


I guess for me it's the vehemence, the rawness of the vocals, the way the high end scrapes your ears out with steel wool.

It's like SICNH filtered through a buzz saw and a pissed off cat.
You say that like it's a BAD thing! ;)

MrSlfDstruct
12-02-2013, 10:50 PM
I think Broken was my third NIN purchase. After Downward Spiral clicked I went on a binge and bought everything I could find. I love Broken, it's always been one of my favorites and I'd love to see it revisited in some way. I don't get how it's hard to listen to at all. It's abrasive, but tame in comparison to a lot of music.

If you're ever pissed off, Broken is the perfect record. A quick blast of pure rage.

For some reason Physical really popped with me just a couple years ago. I don't know why it never did anything for me for the longest time, but now I love it. The vocals in the second verse are killer.

m15a
12-02-2013, 11:20 PM
as promised, just listened to Broken again. yup, still good. definitely adventurous in terms mixing and effects, and it seems like some stereo effects are meant for headphones . . not uncomfortable to listen to, though.

although i listened to the album through cheap "ipod" earbuds, so i don't know if my experience is valid. :rolleyes:

seriously, don't assume that someone that doesn't like a NIN album doesn't have the proper listening equipment or has poor hearing . . . they might just have poor taste. ;)

Volband
12-03-2013, 04:44 AM
Wooow, it's amazing how you oldies try to convince me it's fine that Broken sounds shitty. It's argument-level is around "we shouldn't implement video-replay in soccer, cuz the lack of it has always caused unfair results, so it should keep on doing that". Bullshit.

I get it, you grew up with it, etc., so then you won't listen to the remastered one, great for you. No one said it shouldn't be rough, or raw, but don't try to tell me it can't use some polish after MORE THAN 20 YEARS. Last is the only song from Broken I dare to show the album version of it to others, because it actually sounds fine (except within the album itself). I have to basically deny that Gave Up (album v.) even exists. "Hey dude, here's Gave Up, that sounds NOTHING like the live version, barely audible, sounds like it's poorly mixed, but ya know, that's the beauty of it!!!4!!!! It's shitty for a reason, therefor it's ART!!" ... Please...

Exploring NIN is awesome, and I'm confident it's one of the most rewarding musical experience ever, with Broken, with original PHM, with Woodstock, with everything, BUT you have to think about not hardcore fans as well, or even about others like me, who only got to know NIN around (or after) WT-era. That Broken just doesn't do the same for me, and you can call it heresy, but that's how it is.

I like everything that's NIN, so you can't accuse me of wanting everything to sound like WT/YZ.

Khrz
12-03-2013, 04:59 AM
you have to think about not hardcore fans as well, or even about others like me

No we do not.

It's like asking the Broken movie to be cleaned up, and remastered in HD. Yeah it's dirty, it's low-fi, it's perfect. You're the one who lost his earplugs in his auditory canals, I can ear every track just fine. Sure, if you're trying to make a mixtape, you might want to put Last there, or surround any other Broken tracks with quiet ones, because even PHM is louder now. But it doesn't sound shitty...

Also, fuck your strawman rethoric.

Volband
12-03-2013, 05:18 AM
Then why did PHM got a remaster? I mean, why did Trent had to ruin a perfectly 25 years old material? Even new people to NIN can listen to it now! This is so not underground...

Now that I think about it, I hope Broken never gets a remaster, you are right, it has that certain vibe to it! I also hope The Fragile will never get a deluxe edition, especially not with unreleased tracks, etc.: He left those tracks out (or included only on casette/vinyl), so keep it that way!

On another note, I hope Trent will only play the entire TDS live in the upcoming 2014 tour, because that's real NIN. Billpulisher (or whatever that guy's name is) should be proud of where this thread is going.

Long live the 80's/early 90's!

sheepdean
12-03-2013, 07:35 AM
Then why did PHM got a remaster? I mean, why did Trent had to ruin a perfectly 25 years old material? Even new people to NIN can listen to it now! This is so not underground...

Now that I think about it, I hope Broken never gets a remaster, you are right, it has that certain vibe to it! I also hope The Fragile will never get a deluxe edition, especially not with unreleased tracks, etc.: He left those tracks out (or included only on casette/vinyl), so keep it that way!

On another note, I hope Trent will only play the entire TDS live in the upcoming 2014 tour, because that's real NIN. Billpulisher (or whatever that guy's name is) should be proud of where this thread is going.

Long live the 80's/early 90's!
A remaster is not the same as a reissue. Reissuing and putting out deluxe versions brings in new fans just as much. Imo, PHM didn't need a remaster anyway. Redoing an album just because it sounds like an album of its period is utterly pointless, why make everything sound 2013 when you can hear over a century's worth of variation across recorded music, there's no reason to remaster most albums that recieve one - redoing albums for vinyl that came out during oil shortages, sure, or early CDs when the process wasn't perfect yet, but in general it's either a money grab or a way for an artist to "update" an album that really shouldn't be updated.

That's not to say that some remasters are good, often there'll be elements that were buried under overzealous producer's hands, and converting to stereo/surround is always a fantastic thing. But the eventual path is akin to using photoshop to modify works of art, to make them more perfect. Imperfections are what make the music more alive.

MrSlfDstruct
12-03-2013, 08:29 AM
I just listened to Broken again and I'm not having any of the issues described above. Maybe it's a little quieter than the shittily mastered albums today, but that's why we have volume controls. I don't find myself having to constantly adjust it, either.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-03-2013, 10:07 AM
You say that like it's a BAD thing! ;)
Of course not. I like buzz saws and pissed off cats — though I keep a safe distance from both. :p

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-03-2013, 10:18 AM
I get it, you grew up with it, etc., so then you won't listen to the remastered one, great for you. No one said it shouldn't be rough, or raw, but don't try to tell me it can't use some polish after MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
Hey, I never even heard it before 2008!

I gave it another listen last night because of this thread, and I can't hear the problems you're talking about.

m15a
12-03-2013, 10:57 AM
I get it, you grew up with it, etc., so then you won't listen to the remastered one, great for you. No one said it shouldn't be rough, or raw, but don't try to tell me it can't use some polish after MORE THAN 20 YEARS. Last is the only song from Broken I dare to show the album version of it to others, because it actually sounds fine (except within the album itself). I have to basically deny that Gave Up (album v.) even exists. "Hey dude, here's Gave Up, that sounds NOTHING like the live version, barely audible, sounds like it's poorly mixed, but ya know, that's the beauty of it!!!4!!!! It's shitty for a reason, therefor it's ART!!" ... Please...

i think it's totally fine that you don't like Broken and don't think that anyone should say that you're wrong for not liking it. but, from what you're saying, it sounds like you're either not really understanding remastering or not really understanding the album. being that you are claiming that you never listened to the album all the way through other than possibly when you watched the broken movie, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that you don't understand the album?

EDIT: awesome. this thread turned into a Broken listening party. thanks, Volband!

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-03-2013, 11:14 AM
Now that I think of it, it took me a lot longer to get into The Fragile than Broken. Broken was my second-ever NIN purchase, but I still don't own a copy of TF (I just stream it).

Khrz
12-03-2013, 11:53 AM
I still don't own a copy of TF (I just stream it).

http://brattleblog.brattlefilm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/invasBodySnatchersDVDcap4.jpg

allegro
12-03-2013, 12:40 PM
Now that I think of it, it took me a lot longer to get into The Fragile than Broken.
Same here. I rarely listen to TF and, when I do, I only listen to the Right CD.

Halo Infinity
12-03-2013, 01:01 PM
I actually like it when Broken gets discussed more and more as it sometimes seems to be overlooked depending on which NIN fans you speak to in real life. And aside from CDs in general being tougher than ever to find these days, I sometimes don't see Broken in stock, and seem to see the remastered version of Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral, The Fragile, and With Teeth the most. Even And All That Could Have Been (Live) seemed easier to find at some point.

Oh, and speaking of which, the remasters of both The Downward Spiral and With Teeth have become a whole lot harder to find, or just impossible to find as well. (I'm talking about looking for brand new CDs at stores in real life. Thank goodness for the likes of Amazon.com though.)

WorzelG
12-03-2013, 02:40 PM
Oh, and speaking of which, the remasters of both The Downward Spiral and With Teeth have become a whole lot harder to find, or just impossible to find as well. (I'm talking about looking for brand new CDs at stores in real life. Thank goodness for the likes of Amazon.com though.)
What? When was With Teeth remastered? It isn't even ten years old yet

Halo Infinity
12-03-2013, 03:04 PM
Wouldn't the DualDisc sort of count in a way? Perhaps I should've worded that differently.

MrSlfDstruct
12-03-2013, 03:13 PM
Wouldn't the DualDisc sort of count in a way? Perhaps I should've worded that differently.

I wouldn't call that a remaster. The 5.1 mix is it's own thing.

Halo Infinity
12-03-2013, 03:21 PM
Oh, sorry, my mistake.

sick among the pure
12-03-2013, 03:41 PM
Now that I think of it, it took me a lot longer to get into The Fragile than Broken. Broken was my second-ever NIN purchase, but I still don't own a copy of TF (I just stream it).

Holy damnit christmas what is your address I'll mail you a fucking copy how can you not own that beauty I khfbefewkefhb foaming at the mouth.
Disclaimer: I don't have the money to buy and mail you, or anybody, a copy. But really. Go buy that beauty.

Halo Infinity
12-03-2013, 03:52 PM
@Joy Prevention Hotline (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3789) - I'd certainly second that, and you'd be in luck, considering how it's actually $16.50 at Amazon.com right now. And even with shipping and handling, it's still a bit of steal when compared to how much it used to cost as a brand new copy in Amazon.com and just about anywhere else. To think that Best Buy used to, and still charges $24.99 for The Fragile. (And plus tax, you'd know that you'd have to have a $20.00 bill and a $10.00 bill with you at the time, as I've bought The Fragile as a present a few times in the past.)

http://www.amazon.com/Fragile-Nine-Inch-Nails/dp/B00001P4TH/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1386107231&sr=1-4&keywords=Nine+Inch+Nails

But of course, you don't have to... but I'll still say that's around the sweetest price to pay for a brand new copy of The Fragile. ;) (I'm sorry, I just really wanted to use that pun as soon as it came to me.) :p

simonn
12-04-2013, 02:23 AM
Am I the only one disappointed by the YouTube/Vevo route for the LA show? Wanted a full 28 track, 5.1 experience preferably on BluRay...still lap it up obviously!

Volband
12-04-2013, 03:01 AM
i think it's totally fine that you don't like Broken and don't think that anyone should say that you're wrong for not liking it. but, from what you're saying, it sounds like you're either not really understanding remastering or not really understanding the album. being that you are claiming that you never listened to the album all the way through other than possibly when you watched the broken movie, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that you don't understand the album?

EDIT: awesome. this thread turned into a Broken listening party. thanks, Volband!
I guess what I meant was re-issue, but didn't want to use that word because I've heard manmy reissues that sound exactly the same as the older material... then again, I might talk about re-release now, so I'm lost.

At the heart of it all, all I meant was a Broken which is louder. I don't mind if Last still makes my ears bleed, or Gave Up is more quiet than HIS.

I very very very rarely listen to any album (whether NIN or not) from start to finish anyway, and I guess you are right, I might never understood what Broken is. I like the songs individually, and the one I don't like (I don't consider Physical an actual Broken song) I don't even listen to - I guess my homework for the weekend is to settle this issue once and for all with Help Me I'm In Hell -, but I never really felt an actual story behind it. The emphasis is on felt.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-04-2013, 05:26 AM
http://brattleblog.brattlefilm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/invasBodySnatchersDVDcap4.jpg
LMFAO!

In my defense, by the time I'd decided I liked both discs, Trent was talking about remastering it so I decided to wait. Still waiting. :rolleyes:


Same here. I rarely listen to TF and, when I do, I only listen to the Right CD.
LEFT. :p

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-04-2013, 05:35 AM
I guess my homework for the weekend is to settle this issue once and for all with Help Me I'm In Hell -, but I never really felt an actual story behind it. The emphasis is on felt.
I don't know about a story, but to me it foreshadows TDS.

It's the sound of doom.

sheepdean
12-04-2013, 08:03 AM
I very very very rarely listen to any album (whether NIN or not) from start to finish anyway, and I guess you are right, I might never understood what Broken is. I like the songs individually, and the one I don't like (I don't consider Physical an actual Broken song) I don't even listen to - I guess my homework for the weekend is to settle this issue once and for all with Help Me I'm In Hell -, but I never really felt an actual story behind it. The emphasis is on felt.
A bit offtopic maybe, but this is one of the many reasons I feel digital downloads will always be a weaker way of releasing music - people are no longer obliged to listen to tracks in order, or even to listen to all the tracks period. Vinyl (and to some extent cassette and CD) encourage listeners to sit through an entire record and let tracks grow on them, let listeners feel their way deeper into the music. Artists seem less willing to put out 20 second instrumental tracks and the like onto records because people can now opt-out of them.

Also, Physical and Suck aren't Broken tracks, technically. Both were recorded for promo release that never happened a couple years earlier, and both are covers, though Suck was still co-written by Trent.

Khrz
12-04-2013, 08:23 AM
I'm guessing, quite wildly, that it's the reason for the 91 silent tracks gap, to actually differentiate the two entities, and not break the mood built by the actual EP...

sheepdean
12-04-2013, 08:39 AM
I'm guessing, quite wildly, that it's the reason for the 91 silent tracks gap, to actually differentiate the two entities, and not break the mood built by the actual EP...
Yup, originally on its own disc packaged with the EP but that was a bit too costly. Now it'd be iTunes bonus tracks exclusive to Japan if they pre ordered or something.

icklekitty
12-04-2013, 08:50 AM
Interesting - one of the ways I try to make sure I listen to an album back to front is to randomise the songs.

Take Hesitation Marks. I listened to it all the way through a few times to understand the album, then I listened to it on shuffle to hear the tracks as individual pieces of music and focus more clearly on them, i.e. not let them "wash" over me or get distracted.

seasonsinthesky
12-04-2013, 09:40 AM
Yup, originally on its own disc packaged with the EP but that was a bit too costly. Now it'd be iTunes bonus tracks exclusive to Japan if they pre ordered or something.

besides cost, it was a limited run for the mini-disc release anyway.

they still feel entirely part of the EP though, besides sounding the same. TR could easily have sequenced them in between the regular six tracks and they would have worked well (which isn't to say i don't understand why he kept them separate — ultimately a smart decision, i think).

fillow
12-04-2013, 09:40 AM
Listening to an album is important to me, at least when I familiarize myself with new album/band. Music is mostly released in such way for a reason.
If the songs make sense apart from each other, it will be obvious after few listens. If they don't, you'll at least know why, without being told by someone else or some article.
I rarely ever listen to music on shuffle. The collection is way too big and the shuffled playlist goes in every direction with every next song, it's annoying. If I do, I find myself sometimes skipping 20-30 song before I finally settle on one.

WorzelG
12-04-2013, 10:58 AM
I wouldn't call that a remaster. The 5.1 mix is it's own thing.

I need to check which With Teeth I own. I have the original uk cd with the Home etc as bonus, i have this plan when my kids are a bit older and I'm back working and we have a joint income, to convert a room into a listening / tv and gaming room with surround sound speakers and a decent stereo, would love to hear all these 5.1 (or 7.1 whatever) mixes

simonn
12-04-2013, 11:22 AM
Interesting - one of the ways I try to make sure I listen to an album back to front is to randomise the songs.

Take Hesitation Marks. I listened to it all the way through a few times to understand the album, then I listened to it on shuffle to hear the tracks as individual pieces of music and focus more clearly on them, i.e. not let them "wash" over me or get distracted.

This is exactly what I do too. Makes perfect sense.

simonn
12-04-2013, 11:26 AM
I need to check which With Teeth I own. I have the original uk cd with the Home etc as bonus, i have this plan when my kids are a bit older and I'm back working and we have a joint income, to convert a room into a listening / tv and gaming room with surround sound speakers and a decent stereo, would love to hear all these 5.1 (or 7.1 whatever) mixes

The unofficial Ghosts 5.1 is the best of the bunch for me...both visually and sonically, could listen to it all day, and it's one of my less favoured albums now....

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-04-2013, 06:15 PM
Take Hesitation Marks. I listened to it all the way through a few times to understand the album, then I listened to it on shuffle to hear the tracks as individual pieces of music and focus more clearly on them, i.e. not let them "wash" over me or get distracted.
I've thought about doing that a few times but haven't actually got around to it yet.

I used to be absurdly careful about keeping tracks that run together (like Pinion/Wish/Last) in a single mp3 file so I could shuffle them without losing the relationships. I even did that with albums I downloaded from Amazon or iTunes. But it was time consuming, which is why I never finished ripping all my CDs before I stuffed them in the basement.

And of course I have no control over that at all with Spotify, so I just turn on crossfading and leave it at that. Makes me feel like a slacker. :p


I'm guessing, quite wildly, that it's the reason for the 91 silent tracks gap, to actually differentiate the two entities, and not break the mood built by the actual EP...
I kept the track numbering when I ripped Broken into iTunes. But I did leave out the silent tracks, because I'm not that weird.

Ryan
12-04-2013, 10:04 PM
Imagine A Violet Fluid segueing into My Violent Heart live...

Frolick Shiawase
12-04-2013, 11:06 PM
This Broken talk has got me thinking... Do the people who say "it's not mixed well, it sounds too dirty..." ever read the story about the album?
I mean, I got nothing on Fixed, it IS confusing to hear...
But Broken was supposed to sound harsh, and to have lots of hidden bits of melodies buried under the mix that even Trent said "You'll hear maybe the 5th or 10th time hearing it... or maybe you won't even hear it."

I think it's a great album... It's incredible to think that it was a Fuck You to TVT

Omega
12-05-2013, 01:30 AM
Toad the Wet Sprocket. LOL.


from an interview.

Volband
12-05-2013, 02:46 AM
I don't have the patience to sit through an album over and over again. For the first time I listen to it fro mthe first track to last, but then immidietly revisit the ones I liked. It took a good months to me to be able to fully appreciate HM. The moment came when I could actually decide whether I like Running or not.

Listening through TDS, or god forbid, TF is not an easy task - time and energy consuming. Maybe Year Zero is the most friendly in that regards - excluding Broken, which is pretty short.

Edit: occasionally I do listen to them wholly, but for example, I never listen WT in order - there's not much point.

katara
12-05-2013, 06:17 AM
I don't have the patience to sit through an album over and over again. For the first time I listen to it fro mthe first track to last, but then immidietly revisit the ones I liked. It took a good months to me to be able to fully appreciate HM. The moment came when I could actually decide whether I like Running or not.

Listening through TDS, or god forbid, TF is not an easy task - time and energy consuming. Maybe Year Zero is the most friendly in that regards - excluding Broken, which is pretty short.

Edit: occasionally I do listen to them wholly, but for example, I never listen WT in order - there's not much point.
I feel that with TDS and The Fragile (left), I'm obliged to listen to them in track order because there's a narrative there. Listening in any other order is kind of James Joyce.

I guess it doesn't matter so much with something like The Slip or Ghosts I-IV, but even there, there are some tracks that really have to be listened together to be fully appreciated. Corona Radiata is nice on its own, but it changes completely once you put Lights in the Sky in front. It retains its expansive nature but since you're left to mull over the lyrics from LITS, it becomes much more poignant and meaningful. Similarly, the last few tracks on With Teeth and Year Zero are a must to listen to in order.

sheepdean
12-05-2013, 06:29 AM
I don't have the patience to sit through an album over and over again. For the first time I listen to it fro mthe first track to last, but then immidietly revisit the ones I liked. It took a good months to me to be able to fully appreciate HM. The moment came when I could actually decide whether I like Running or not.

Listening through TDS, or god forbid, TF is not an easy task - time and energy consuming. Maybe Year Zero is the most friendly in that regards - excluding Broken, which is pretty short.

Edit: occasionally I do listen to them wholly, but for example, I never listen WT in order - there's not much point.
How is listening to an album in full time consuming? If you were going to listen to music anyway, then listening to 16 tracks in order takes no longer than listening to 16 other tracks. By not giving albums a chance, you end up in a vicious circle of assuming there's never a point of listening to them in full

Khrz
12-05-2013, 07:18 AM
To be fair, it's not that easy to take 75 full minutes of your free time to listen to an album from start to finish, while giving it all your attention. Listening to it while working, browsing or doing the dishes doesn't count, you're hearing it, but you're not really listening.
It's way easier to give it 5 or 10 minutes here and there.

But yeah, especially when it comes to artists like Reznor, albums have a rythm and an arc, tracks are in a certain order for a reason, so when you're just flipping through it, you're losing that dimension. I don't even know how you can listen to The Fragile partially, or randomly. Like TDS, each track depends a lot from the other ones surrounding it. A Warm Place, Big Man With A Gun make no sense, musically, if you take them out of context...

But I do understand how difficult it can be, especially in that digital age where you can have a new album every day. Before internet, I would get the money and the interest for an album a month, two at best...

simonn
12-05-2013, 07:24 AM
Listening to it while...doing the dishes doesn't count.

That's what my 150 track 'best of Reznor' mp3 cd's for:p

scorpiusdiamond
12-05-2013, 09:47 AM
Forever comparing the latest tour to Stop Making Sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42Xg-mAkGg
edit: it'd be good to know how much of the European tour will resemble the Tension tour, just so I know whether to watch the stream or not

Halo Infinity
12-05-2013, 03:21 PM
I rarely ever listen to music on shuffle. The collection is way too big and the shuffled playlist goes in every direction with every next song, it's annoying. If I do, I find myself sometimes skipping 20-30 song before I finally settle on one.
It took me a long time to realize that there really are a lot more people that have preferred to listen to music this way since 1999-2000. I used to assume that most people would download (Especially if they weren't into buying CDs or records altogether.) entire albums or discographies and then go inside each album individually. I also didn't realize that there are actually a lot of people that don't even care for albums, but just a few songs here and there.

To me, it can get messy, and I can get very selective and am definitely not even qualified to be even that much of a music buff either. I also don't think I could ever get over CD collecting.

Anyway, as an attempt to stay on the topic, I find myself listening to the Nine Inch Nails songs that click for me first, and then I gradually try to listen to the ones that I didn't like or "get" as much, and then take it from there. And as most likely expected, I've also sat through all of NIN's albums to date. Oh, and I also have a friend that also likes Nine Inch Nails a lot, but I noticed he goes to "All Songs" instead of the albums. I've really been spoiled by NIN record-wise, and even with iPods, I tend to separate all of the albums accordingly. I don't even combine both discs of The Fragile and Ghosts I-IV. It just didn't work for me, and it was a bit of an eyesore. (It most likely comes from my interest in collecting CDs, and being used to organizing albums and songs that way, even with an iPod and iTunes.)

Omega
12-06-2013, 02:44 AM
I want it to be 2014 already...and NIN back on a U.S. tour. I want a new NIN album already.

Volband
12-06-2013, 04:40 AM
To be fair, it's not that easy to take 75 full minutes of your free time to listen to an album from start to finish, while giving it all your attention. Listening to it while working, browsing or doing the dishes doesn't count, you're hearing it, but you're not really listening.
It's way easier to give it 5 or 10 minutes here and there.

This!! There is absolutely no point in listening from start to finish, if you are doing anything else besides it, except for creative work. But even when I write, for example, I just play those 1-3 songs on repeat which get me on the preferred mood/state I want to be.

What's the point of playing the whole TF in order, if I chat with someone, or play something during it. Sure, I could tell you "wow, I've listened TDS 20 times to start to finish!", but that would be bullshit.

BenAkenobi
12-06-2013, 05:03 AM
That's what my 150 track 'best of Reznor' mp3 cd's for:p

just a minute, every full nin album combined have less than 150 tracks (10+8+14+23+14+16+36+10+14=145)

Scarlet Siren
12-06-2013, 05:09 AM
It's just sinking in I'll never hear All Time Low like THAT with Josh, the girls and Pino ever again :( :( Or In to the Void (first and only time was during soundcheck in Las Vegas - what a treat!!!). Oh God :(

Well, hearing those two songs live was worth the airfare alone. I would have paid triple (if I had the cash).

Fist Fuck
12-06-2013, 06:09 AM
I don't have the patience to sit through an album over and over again. For the first time I listen to it fro mthe first track to last, but then immidietly revisit the ones I liked. It took a good months to me to be able to fully appreciate HM. The moment came when I could actually decide whether I like Running or not.

Listening through TDS, or god forbid, TF is not an easy task - time and energy consuming. Maybe Year Zero is the most friendly in that regards - excluding Broken, which is pretty short.

Edit: occasionally I do listen to them wholly, but for example, I never listen WT in order - there's not much point.

Funny, because Year Zero took me the longest before I could finally appreciate it. 2007-2008 I hated it, from then on it's been one of my favorites. I think that's what makes a good album. I think an album deserves this kind of attention, considering the amount of work that went into it.

Saying that listening to a whole album is time consuming, what about 2 hour movies then? Just take a bath or lie down.

Volband
12-06-2013, 06:19 AM
Funny, because Year Zero took me the longest before I could finally appreciate it. 2007-2008 I hated it, from then on it's been one of my favorites. I think that's what makes a good album. I think an album deserves this kind of attention, considering the amount of work that went into it.

Saying that listening to a whole album is time consuming, what about 2 hour movies then? Just take a bath or lie down.

I only watch series, I hate movies. Something has to be really good to justify spending so much time on it. If I had my own apartment though, I'm sure I'd listen to some NIN during my 1-1,5 bath sessions.:D

The hardest for me was definetly The Fragile. ILFJYF was the very last song from the NIN-catalog back then I listened to. Though it's two different things to appreciate and to digest something.

simonn
12-06-2013, 06:52 AM
just a minute, every full nin album combined have less than 150 tracks (10+8+14+23+14+16+36+10+14=145)

Best of Reznor, not NIN. :rolleyes:

Khrz
12-06-2013, 08:46 AM
I hate movies. Something has to be really good to justify spending so much time on it.

Dude... I really hope your life is amazingly creative. That's the only reason I see to avoid the pleasure of art because "it takes time"...

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-06-2013, 04:58 PM
Dude... I really hope your life is amazingly creative. That's the only reason I see to avoid the pleasure of art because "it takes time"...
Well, to be fair to Volband, I hardly ever watch movies either. If I'm awake (and not eating) I'm on the internet, or reading, or mucking around in Photoshop. Setting aside two hours for a movie just never happens anymore.

I do most of my listening in the car because I can manage to absorb the music in between moments of sheer automotive terror. Any other activity takes my mind too far away from the music, so I have to drop everything and listen to something like The Fragile. (Planning to do that this weekend.)

misternegative
12-06-2013, 07:56 PM
Sorry to interrupt this conversation, but we need to take a moment to take in that, at one time, Trent was one of those guys.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1441289_10151754989146555_84291198_n.jpg

sick among the pure
12-06-2013, 11:09 PM
Sorry to interrupt this conversation, but we need to take a moment to take in that, at one time, Trent was one of those guys.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1441289_10151754989146555_84291198_n.jpg


Only other time I've seen that pic, it was presented under the context of a person's favorite Trent photoshop pics. You know the source?

allegro
12-06-2013, 11:17 PM
LMFAO!

In my defense, by the time I'd decided I liked both discs, Trent was talking about remastering it so I decided to wait. Still waiting. :rolleyes:


LEFT. :p
Actually I don't listen to any NIN anymore, not even sure while I'm still here.

misternegative
12-07-2013, 01:43 AM
Only other time I've seen that pic, it was presented under the context of a person's favorite Trent photoshop pics. You know the source?

Unfortunately, no, I saw it in a NIN fan group on Facebook.

simonn
12-07-2013, 02:30 AM
Weird occurence yesterday. Emailed a mate who's attending the upcoming O2 show with me, and told him about the stripped down line up for that leg of the tour. He was a little disappointed. He's a fairly casual fan compared to myself so doesn't know about the day to day goings on, just the big stuff like album releases etc. Imagine my surprise then when he said 'I'd watch Reznor if he was shitting on a strobelight' - completely unaware of the 'album' of the same name. That opened the floodgates obviously to a whole new element he'd never been aware of.

Just thought I'd share that, hope it doesn't give anyone bad dreams with that imagery..:eek:

Omega
12-07-2013, 02:36 AM
^ What a lovely image I have in my head now:). Why didn't Rob add that to the show?

gorast
12-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Weird occurence yesterday. Emailed a mate who's attending the upcoming O2 show with me, and told him about the stripped down line up for that leg of the tour. He was a little disappointed. He's a fairly casual fan compared to myself so doesn't know about the day to day goings on, just the big stuff like album releases etc. Imagine my surprise then when he said 'I'd watch Reznor if he was shitting on a strobelight' - completely unaware of the 'album' of the same name. That opened the floodgates obviously to a whole new element he'd never been aware of.

Just thought I'd share that, hope it doesn't give anyone bad dreams with that imagery..:eek:

http://nin.thisoneisonus.org/shit.htm?q=trent_reznor_takes_a_shit

Volband
12-07-2013, 12:05 PM
Dude... I really hope your life is amazingly creative. That's the only reason I see to avoid the pleasure of art because "it takes time"...
Movies suck in general, so...

I don't deny though that many blockbusters are indeed enjoyable in cinemas, because no mater how stupid they are, lazers and explosions make everything better while stuffing yourself with overpriced popcorn.

screwdriver
12-07-2013, 02:07 PM
I only watch series, I hate movies. Something has to be really good to justify spending so much time on it. If I had my own apartment though, I'm sure I'd listen to some NIN during my 1-1,5 bath sessions.:D

The hardest for me was definetly The Fragile. ILFJYF was the very last song from the NIN-catalog back then I listened to. Though it's two different things to appreciate and to digest something.

I actually kind of get what you're saying. I don't want to just casually listen to some things, I want to really digest that, and it is really tough for me to find undisturbed blocks of time. I love listening to casual music, but trying to get digest "art" -- whether it be music, movies, or whatnot, takes a solid commitment.

That's why I very rarely watch TV. 99% of it is shit and it takes awhile for you to realize that.

Volband
12-07-2013, 05:12 PM
I actually kind of get what you're saying. I don't want to just casually listen to some things, I want to really digest that, and it is really tough for me to find undisturbed blocks of time. I love listening to casual music, but trying to get digest "art" -- whether it be music, movies, or whatnot, takes a solid commitment.

That's why I very rarely watch TV. 99% of it is shit and it takes awhile for you to realize that.
Exactly!

I just finished watching the last three episodes of Boardwalk Empire from season 3, since I finally got the time. Yes, it was more than 2 hours, which I could spent on watching some movie which would've been a.) complete shit b.) watchable, but ~2 hours are still not justified c.) get extremely lucky and fish out a movie that is actually good and keeps your attention. I could also listen to some NIN album in track order, but since I wasn't in the mood, that would've been a waste of time, There are times when I'm like "damn, I want to sit through The Fragile!", but then I'm usually unable to, because it comes to me at the weirdest times and/or places, and there are times when I could do it twice in a row but I just don't feel like doing it.

No, instead, I chose a series I KNOW I like, since I liked it up until this time, so why would this 3 episodes let me down? They didn't, they were awesome. And the coolest thing is that it immidietly sucks me in, or to use your words, I can digest it from the start, since it's like a train I've been riding for months, and been constantly looking forward to the final destination, which was - funnily enough - [SPOILER ALERT! kinda...] Into the void :(

And if you mentioned commitment... Some weeks ago I compiled a promo NIN-compilation to someone to get him like NIN (didn't really succeed, from about 31 songs he only liked 6, even though I tried to compile it for his taste), and I found myself being serious about it. I didn't just throw in X songs, but I actually wanted to make a story, I wanted the songs to fit, and the theme to shift smoothly. I spent hours on this because I really really enjoyed it, and I think I could spend days on making random nin compilations, and I would probably listen to them. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with what we've been discussing before, but whatever. Go and watch Boardwalk Empire, guys!

Charmingly Miserable
12-07-2013, 05:16 PM
There is no you, there is only me.

Omega
12-08-2013, 12:22 AM
Yesterday, I found out the world was ending.

sick among the pure
12-08-2013, 01:17 AM
You can say fuck on tv over here, right? Cool. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

Omega
12-08-2013, 02:21 AM
Yes, yes of course, it's gonna hurt.....now, now I'm down in it. Got my own remix in my head lol.

heroicraptor
12-08-2013, 02:19 PM
If you don't think that the instrumental version of Eraser played on the Dissonance tour is the bees' knees, then you're wrong and you should feel bad.

Halo Infinity
12-09-2013, 12:17 AM
I just love that ironic feeling I get with Echoplex. Oh the joys of "dancing" and/or "rocking out" to complacency. I also love how Echoplex really is sort of like the Every Day Is Exactly The Same for The Slip. ;)

ImTheWiseJanitor
12-09-2013, 12:59 PM
I was re-labeling a copy of "March of the Pigs" on my hard drive - accidentally typed "March of the Pugs" instead.

THAT SONG WOULD BE SO FUCKING CUTE.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-09-2013, 01:02 PM
I was re-labeling a copy of "March of the Pigs" on my hard drive - accidentally typed "March of the Pugs" instead.

THAT SONG WOULD BE SO FUCKING CUTE.
I was thinking March of the Frogs this morning, but Pugs is 253% better.

All in favor, say Aye.

wizfan
12-09-2013, 01:18 PM
Dancing my ass off to Richard X's Only and DFA's THTF remixtravaganzas. This shit is so tight.

sick among the pure
12-09-2013, 03:35 PM
I was re-labeling a copy of "March of the Pigs" on my hard drive - accidentally typed "March of the Pugs" instead.

THAT SONG WOULD BE SO FUCKING CUTE.

I don't understand why people think pugs are cute, they're genetically fucked up and can hardly breathe, there is nothing cute about breeding an animal to have a crushed sinus cavity and bulging eyes. Pugs are one of the ugliest breed of dog I have ever seen, and saying "they're so ugly they're cute" is bullshit, no, they're fucking ugly.

Sorry, that's been welling up a long time. /controversialthought

Random NIN "thought", I finally had to cut off 2 of my wrist bands yesterday, but am leaving the 3rd one on as long as possible. I don't want to let go.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-09-2013, 04:42 PM
I don't understand why people think pugs are cute, they're genetically fucked up and can hardly breathe, there is nothing cute about breeding an animal to have a crushed sinus cavity and bulging eyes.
*Sniffle* :(



… OK, back to March of the Frogs.

ImTheWiseJanitor
12-09-2013, 04:43 PM
I don't understand why people think pugs are cute, they're genetically fucked up and can hardly breathe, there is nothing cute about breeding an animal to have a crushed sinus cavity and bulging eyes. Pugs are one of the ugliest breed of dog I have ever seen, and saying "they're so ugly they're cute" is bullshit, no, they're fucking ugly.

To be fair, If you look at ANY cute thing for too long, it's horribly abominable. That's the way cute things work.

butter_hole
12-09-2013, 10:48 PM
I don't understand why people think pugs are cute, they're genetically fucked up and can hardly breathe, there is nothing cute about breeding an animal to have a crushed sinus cavity and bulging eyes. Pugs are one of the ugliest breed of dog I have ever seen, and saying "they're so ugly they're cute" is bullshit, no, they're fucking ugly.

go to bed grandma

Charmingly Miserable
12-09-2013, 10:52 PM
I'm kinda like "ugh" when it comes to bands covering my favorite bands, but Devo's cover of HLAH is awesome.

sick among the pure
12-09-2013, 11:59 PM
go to bed grandma


Grandpa. :( Go to bed grandpa.

Ryan
12-10-2013, 01:31 AM
Can we make this a permanent emoticon? It would be good when someone is being a cunt, just type in :trentlol: and this will appear and make everything chill.

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/9490/i9xp.jpg

Wretchedest
12-10-2013, 02:28 AM
"Trent's dancing reminds me of a flightless bird"

- my wife, while watching Tension.


Tension was great to watch btw. Should have gone, maybe. Love the shooting in the video though.

katara
12-10-2013, 03:43 AM
If you don't think that the instrumental version of Eraser played on the Dissonance tour is the bees' knees, then you're wrong and you should feel bad.
Amazing remix of the song. I have a similar feeling when I listen to Leviathant's take on The Big Come Down.

nothing8
12-10-2013, 04:50 AM
I would just like to thank Nine Inch Nails for releasing Ghosts I-IV as it's pretty much been the soundtrack over the past few days while I pumped out a stupid amount of reports in a short amount of time, and my horribly shitty week so far. I hardly ever give this album much of a spin, but it's basically been on 24/7 for me lately and now I regret all the time I spent NOT listening to it.

That being said, I do consider it more of an album where you have to be in a certain "mood" to listen to it, so I forgive myself.

wizfan
12-10-2013, 07:01 AM
I like this more than I probably should.

https://soundcloud.com/vaporware/nine-inch-nails-vs-ace-of-base

EDIT: Wait, a 10th anniversary edition? https://soundcloud.com/djtripp/she-wants-animals-dj-tripps

katara
12-10-2013, 10:12 AM
I would just like to thank Nine Inch Nails for releasing Ghosts I-IV as it's pretty much been the soundtrack over the past few days while I pumped out a stupid amount of reports in a short amount of time, and my horribly shitty week so far. I hardly ever give this album much of a spin, but it's basically been on 24/7 for me lately and now I regret all the time I spent NOT listening to it.

That being said, I do consider it more of an album where you have to be in a certain "mood" to listen to it, so I forgive myself.
The film soundtracks are also great for working to. I like to bake to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

gorast
12-10-2013, 11:23 AM
I put them all on shuffle when I'm writing, because vocal music distracts me, while instrumental music is a nice sound bed to work to.

staleincense
12-10-2013, 11:53 AM
Can we make this a permanent emoticon? It would be good when someone is being a cunt, just type in :trentlol: and this will appear and make everything chill.

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/9490/i9xp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/g43CyLV.jpg

GavinCollins420
12-10-2013, 01:13 PM
I saw "T3333TH A" on a license plate today and couldn't help but laugh.

hologram parade
12-10-2013, 01:14 PM
http://i.imgur.com/g43CyLV.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/44a39865dc7234caf83a0a9609c79d15/tumblr_mt4h1lZI4a1qf2ic8o1_1280.jpg
took this blurry pic back in '09 at the noblesville soundcheck

staleincense
12-10-2013, 02:12 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/44a39865dc7234caf83a0a9609c79d15/tumblr_mt4h1lZI4a1qf2ic8o1_1280.jpg
took this blurry pic back in '09 at the noblesville soundcheck
I once suggested in a thread that we should make a gallery of photos of Trent smiling. I say we are now a step closer to making the dream become a reality.

tony.parente
12-10-2013, 02:19 PM
I once suggested in a thread that we should make a gallery of photos of Trent smiling. I say we are now a step closer to making the dream become a reality.


That's a +1 to make this weird little topic happen.

Emphasis on the weird part though.

Halo Infinity
12-10-2013, 03:47 PM
All this talk on Trent Reznor smiling has reminded me of this again. It really is one of my most favorite/shortest clips of Trent, ever. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz42TcHxWrk

ImTheWiseJanitor
12-10-2013, 03:56 PM
I put them all on shuffle when I'm writing, because vocal music distracts me, while instrumental music is a nice sound bed to work to.

I'm the same way. I just lump together Dragon Tattoo/Social Network/Ghosts/a few random odds and ends when I read or do homework. Vocals are always too distracting, or they set the tone wrong for whatever it is I'm doing.

Yoshata
12-10-2013, 04:51 PM
I'm disappointed that I didn't get a chance to see a Tension 2013 show, especially since the production/the backup singers won't be coming back (at least, that's what I took from the recent AMA with TR). But, I'm so, so grateful that the LA show was uploaded in full on Youtube, because that's the one I had been hoping to go to. I'm very excited by the idea of a DVD release, too. :)

Like I said, bummed I didn't get to see the stage setup in the flesh, but I will definitely try to get to a show next year, so I need to look forward to that. :D

GrayscaleRain
12-10-2013, 08:44 PM
I totally had a dream last night that Trent and Mariqueen lived in my hometown of Palm Springs. Here is the thing you need to know about Palm Springs: it is known for golf loving baby boomers and lots of gay men. I went to the Reznor residence where they were lunching with a bunch of baby boomers. Ugh. There was an ASPCA training center in the back of their home and they had a pet whale. *Back to your normally scheduled sanity*

Well, that by definition is most certainly a 'random NIN thought'.

Er...

I'd really like to hear/see Pilgrimage live. It feels like it would just shake the place.

Endlessly
12-10-2013, 11:29 PM
"Trent's dancing reminds me of a flightless bird"

- my wife, while watching Tension.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c92869867fc7327ee05e4e20f9978c57/tumblr_mrnvsz5DeA1rfsxgmo4_r2_250.gif
(gif from here (http://twelvevacancies.tumblr.com/post/58488933824), for the record)

Volband
12-11-2013, 04:59 AM
Tension shows always had encores... where's the drama, Trent?

nooneimportant
12-11-2013, 07:04 AM
Well, that by definition is most certainly a 'random NIN thought'.

Er...

I'd really like to hear/see Pilgrimage live. It feels like it would just shake the place.

They use to play Pilgrimage as an intro into Mr. Self Destruct. I wish there was a good recording of it somewhere. I'm too lazy to go through every single recording on RITCN.

sick among the pure
12-11-2013, 09:20 AM
They use to play Pilgrimage as an intro into Mr. Self Destruct. I wish there was a good recording of it somewhere. I'm too lazy to go through every single recording on RITCN.

According to my NIN Tour History, they did that for my first show (Erie, PA WT spring 2006), but I honestly don't remember it being Pilgrimage. Maybe if I wasn't shit-myself excited, I would have noticed, but I left the show thinking I saw the Pinion intro. I just remember a repeating instrumental line over and over building my excitement until Trent came out and started shouting Mr Self Destruct in my face and I was one with the universe.

Demogorgon
12-11-2013, 10:29 AM
i think i was at that show as well. was that the one with Saul Williams and CX Kidtronix opening?

SarahConnor
12-11-2013, 11:06 AM
I'm glad Reznor managed to make some dynamic, propulsive pop songs on HM. I'm not into the dirge-y pop songs he couldn't seem to shake before (Please, Where is Everybody, Reptile). An example of this on HM is the verses of 'I Would For You,' and a little bit of 'Find My Way,' but both tracks change up enough not to be dirges. I could look at the BPMs of each and have a better opinion, surely.

SarahConnor
12-11-2013, 11:19 AM
NIN are a bet for Coachella. This site has a pool with rankings and such: http://www.travelgrom.com/travel-blog/coachella-2014-lineup ...even though Arcade Fire are also at a S. American Lollapalooza, like NIN, they are still headlining Coachella a week later. So odds are good.

gorast
12-11-2013, 12:48 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/12/nin13.jpg

This picture is fucking adorable.

(from Wired's new article about Tension 2013)

MrSlfDstruct
12-11-2013, 02:04 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/12/nin13.jpg

This picture is fucking adorable.

(from Wired's new article about Tension 2013)

I want that hoodie …

eversonpoe
12-11-2013, 05:18 PM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/12/nin13.jpg

This picture is fucking adorable.

(from Wired's new article about Tension 2013)


I want that hoodie …

i want josh. :p

Charmingly Miserable
12-11-2013, 05:22 PM
NIN are a bet for Coachella. This site has a pool with rankings and such: http://www.travelgrom.com/travel-blog/coachella-2014-lineup ...even though Arcade Fire are also at a S. American Lollapalooza, like NIN, they are still headlining Coachella a week later. So odds are good.
If NIN returns to Coachella, I'm going. I live on the other side of the valley from the venue so it will be a 20 minute drive for me.

nooneimportant
12-11-2013, 09:58 PM
According to my NIN Tour History, they did that for my first show (Erie, PA WT spring 2006), but I honestly don't remember it being Pilgrimage. Maybe if I wasn't shit-myself excited, I would have noticed, but I left the show thinking I saw the Pinion intro. I just remember a repeating instrumental line over and over building my excitement until Trent came out and started shouting Mr Self Destruct in my face and I was one with the universe.

You're right.

I checked out a 2007 recording and it sounds like the middle part of Pilgrimage for a about 30 seconds then it transforms into a distorted Year Zero sounding beat until Mr. Self Destruct out of nowhere.

Charmingly Miserable
12-11-2013, 11:37 PM
This is the best comment on the Wired article:

Trent's gone from scary guy to Dark Bono. And that's cool.

Ryan
12-11-2013, 11:41 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c92869867fc7327ee05e4e20f9978c57/tumblr_mrnvsz5DeA1rfsxgmo4_r2_250.gif
(gif from here (http://twelvevacancies.tumblr.com/post/58488933824), for the record)

Moltres pokemon.

howdidislipinto
12-12-2013, 12:07 AM
I feel like we don't mention enough that we've never really heard 10 Miles High. Techically the 10 Miles High on The Fragile/WITT should be called (Version) and the 10 Miles High on TFA should be called (Other, Slightly Different Version), no?

Considering all the unheard tracks we think exist that we want to hear, we should be super excited about an unheard track we KNOW exists!

Volband
12-12-2013, 02:48 AM
I'm sure Trent could rework Pilgrimage with swarmatron for an epic live version.

Vertigo
12-12-2013, 03:42 AM
I feel like we don't mention enough that we've never really heard 10 Miles High. Techically the 10 Miles High on The Fragile/WITT should be called (Version) and the 10 Miles High on TFA should be called (Other, Slightly Different Version), no?


How do you mean?

howdidislipinto
12-12-2013, 04:48 AM
How do you mean?

The credit on the Fragile/WITT version of 10 Miles High is "Reconstruction: Keith Hillebrandt." The credit on the TFA version is "Manipulation: Keith Hillebrandt." That means that they're both essentially remixes (explaining why they're nearly identical) and somewhere out there is still an unheard original.

nooneimportant
12-12-2013, 04:55 AM
I found this on Google and it is really great.

http://i.imgur.com/rbavZyA.jpg

sheepdean
12-12-2013, 05:40 AM
The credit on the Fragile/WITT version of 10 Miles High is "Reconstruction: Keith Hillebrandt." The credit on the TFA version is "Manipulation: Keith Hillebrandt." That means that they're both essentially remixes (explaining why they're nearly identical) and somewhere out there is still an unheard original.
You mean like, on the version on the actual album?

icecream
12-12-2013, 12:48 PM
Nvm, raygunprimed already posted it.

icecream
12-12-2013, 12:52 PM
http://www.thefader.com/2013/09/26/trent-reznor-andrew-nosnitsky-noz-contributors-interview/

Critic recollects his interview that informed Fader's cover story on Reznor.
HM is the happiest record he's done?

howdidislipinto
12-12-2013, 04:39 PM
You mean like, on the version on the actual album?

Yes. The version on The Fragile says "Reconstructed by Keith Hillebrandt." So even on the The Fragile, it's a remix. On TFA, it's a slightly different remix. Somewhere, unheard by us, is 10 Miles High (Not A Version).

Ryan
12-12-2013, 05:06 PM
Yes. The version on The Fragile says "Reconstructed by Keith Hillebrandt." So even on the The Fragile, it's a remix. On TFA, it's a slightly different remix. Somewhere, unheard by us, is 10 Miles High (Not A Version).

I'd like to hear any version (Live).

gorast
12-12-2013, 05:48 PM
Am I the only one here that thinks 10 Miles High is trash and shouldn't be played live?

m15a
12-12-2013, 06:08 PM
Yes. The version on The Fragile says "Reconstructed by Keith Hillebrandt." So even on the The Fragile, it's a remix. On TFA, it's a slightly different remix. Somewhere, unheard by us, is 10 Miles High (Not A Version).

you could say that about any studio track, though. there are always many forms of a song that exist before the final version is chosen for the track. but those versions might not be "saved" or complete or of much interest.

the version on the album is not a remix because it's the originally released version. it's a "mix" like every other track is a mix. a track is called a "remix" if there was already an original mix released. might be that one of the reasons the word "version" was used instead of "remix" was to not label one as coming from the other . .

in other words, the version on the album is still a "version" even though it's not a "(version)" but there's no such thing as a "not a version" version. :p :confused:

butter_hole
12-12-2013, 06:29 PM
I'm getting closerrrrrrrrrr-AH.

howdidislipinto
12-12-2013, 06:30 PM
you could say that about any studio track, though. there are always many forms of a song that exist before the final version is chosen for the track. but those versions might not be "saved" or complete or of much interest.

the version on the album is not a remix because it's the originally released version. it's a "mix" like every other track is a mix. a track is called a "remix" if there was already an original mix released. might be that one of the reasons the word "version" was used instead of "remix" was to not label one as coming from the other . .

in other words, the version on the album is still a "version" even though it's not a "(version)" but there's no such thing as a "not a version" version. :p :confused:

This would be true in any other case, except that we have a nearly identical track on TFA that's credited as a remix. Therefore I think it's safe to say that Keith Hillebrandt constructed two different versions out of an original that exists somewhere. Whether it's worth hearing or not is up for speculation obviously.

And yes, semantically, the first version released is the "original," but when the "original" is literally credited as a reconstruction and is credited to someone other than Trent on an album with very few shared credits, it makes you wonder, no?

gorast
12-12-2013, 06:39 PM
And yes, semantically, the first version released is the "original," but when the "original" is literally credited as a reconstruction and is credited to someone other than Trent on an album with very few shared credits, it makes you wonder, no?

Didn't Trent work with like a thousand people on The Fragile?

Highly Psychological
12-12-2013, 10:06 PM
Trent thanks This Mortal Coil in the sleevenotes for Pretty Hate Machine, Something I can Never Have sounds near identical to a This Mortal Coil tune. Could imagine it being on one of their albums, Specifically something off their second album Filgree and Shadow from 1986. Trent mentioned obsessivley collecting 4AD records via import back in the day.

Also - The Day the Whole Word went Away sound like it really should be on a Spiritualized album.

Ryan
12-12-2013, 10:12 PM
Am I the only one here that thinks 10 Miles High is trash and shouldn't be played live?

Yes.
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BRoswell
12-12-2013, 10:51 PM
Trent thanks This Mortal Coil in the sleevenotes for Pretty Hate Machine, Something I can Never Have sounds near identical to a This Mortal Coil tune.

I believe he actually sampled them for SICNH.

Joy Prevention Hotline
12-12-2013, 10:52 PM
Am I the only one here that thinks 10 Miles High is trash and shouldn't be played live?
I like it, but it’s not an obvious live candidate. Too remix-y.

I’d expect a live version to be a kind of un-remix — TR asking himself what the “original” would have sounded like. But does he like it enough to bother?

***

That leads me to wonder: which version of The Fragile is the “real” one in TR’s mind — the vinyl or CDs? Has he ever said?

I could understand the loooong wait for the remaster if he’s going back to the vinyl version.

Edit: never mind, I see the answer to the vinyl-vs-CD question on Ninwiki.

m15a
12-12-2013, 11:01 PM
Therefore I think it's safe to say that Keith Hillebrandt constructed two different versions out of an original that exists somewhere.

an original something but not necessarily an original complete track or multitrack mix. like, maybe trent tried to arrange the parts, didn't like how it was turning out, and then handed over the recordings. in that case, there'd be a conceptual "original", the way trent was planning on arranging it, but not anything to actually listen to. or maybe there was never an original concept at all since the recordings for the fragile weren't necessarily made with a particular arrangement in mind. maybe the original "construction" is just a collection of recordings that were "reconstructed" to make the two versions.

Ryan
12-12-2013, 11:32 PM
I like it, but it’s not an obvious live candidate. Too remix-y.

I’d expect a live version to be a kind of un-remix — TR asking himself what the “original” would have sounded like. But does he like it enough to bother?

Not sure. We know he does like The New Flesh though -


Trent Reznor explains the various sequencing of 'The Fragile' formats


Trent Reznor has been taken time to contact his fans via the Nine Inch Nails bulletin board to explain the various formats of 'The Fragile'. Trent posted the following message explaining why The CD, cassette and vinyl's versions of 'The Fragile' all have different sequencing.

Hello everybody. I've been doing a lot of European press lately and they've been mentioning the various configurations of 'the fragile' and wondering if there was a reason (other than to make the hard-core fan buy them all) to have some different tracks on them.

If you're curious, here's why. We agonized over the sequencing of the record and focused solely on the CD config. as the definitive one. After the decision was made to move to two CDs the problem then became removing tracks to get the right feel and flow.

Taking the new flesh' off the CD was a tough call because Alan and myself really like the track, but it destroyed the balance and it just didn't fit.

When we assembled the cassette, we now had four beginnings and endings to contend with instead of two of each (for the CD) follow? It worked out pretty well just dividing the songs up, but we wanted the A sides of the cassettes to be slightly longer than the B sides (so that when the tape flips over you are not in the middle of the first song on that side). We added the 'appendage' to 'please' to make that work.

For the vinyl, the decision to move to three discs was based on fidelity. (you can only fit so many minutes on a side of vinyl before it degrades the sound)

So now we are faced with SIX beginnings and endings. Simply splitting the sides up didn't work as well this time so we decided to include the other two tracks we had been considering ('10 miles high' and 'the new flesh') as well as use the full unedited versions of all the other songs on the record. The vinyl sequencing has actually grown on me lately as a viable alternate! -just thought you might want to know... "

howdidislipinto
12-12-2013, 11:33 PM
an original something but not necessarily an original complete track or multitrack mix. like, maybe trent tried to arrange the parts, didn't like how it was turning out, and then handed over the recordings. in that case, there'd be a conceptual "original", the way trent was planning on arranging it, but not anything to actually listen to. or maybe there was never an original concept at all since the recordings for the fragile weren't necessarily made with a particular arrangement in mind. maybe the original "construction" is just a collection of recordings that were "reconstructed" to make the two versions.

You're right, but at this point aren't you speculating more than I am? We have a remix and a reconstruction of a song. I'm saying that based on previous patterns, there might be an original we've never heard, which I think is interesting. You're saying there might be... anything, because anything is possible. Great?


Didn't Trent work with like a thousand people on The Fragile?

I meant as far as the specific tracks. The last page of the booklet, essentially. You got the couple of tracks that have co-writers and then all the instrument/vocal contributions. But "reconstructed by Keith Hillebrandt" sticks out as kind of an oddity, credits-wise, on a "main" halo. To me, anyway. Clearly I might be alone, ha.

Ryan
12-12-2013, 11:34 PM
I meant as far as the specific tracks. The last page of the booklet, essentially. You got the couple of tracks that have co-writers and then all the instrument/vocal contributions. But "reconstructed by Keith Hillebrandt" sticks out as kind of an oddity, credits-wise, on a "main" halo. To me, anyway. Clearly I might be alone, ha.

Keith also did the (Deconstructed) version of The Fragile title track available from nin.com.

fillow
12-13-2013, 12:24 AM
I think you guys reading too much into it.
Metal is manipulated by TR and Alan Moulder. Does this make it a remix?

Frozen Beach
12-13-2013, 12:29 AM
I think you guys reading too much into it.
Metal is manipulated by TR and Alan Moulder. Does this make it a remix?
Actually, it probably does because wasn't there an earlier version that leaked, which was originally suppose to be released but got canned?

rampface
12-13-2013, 12:41 AM
I never realized how radically different the vinyl version of The Fragile is! I'm dying to hear it now if anyone could Please Make my day!!!