A Perfect Circle

[Ryan]

No one made a thread yet, so here we go.

[halloween]

Woot! I was so happy i got to see them live over in boston last summer. Even if Maynard did stand in the shadow the whole time, that bastard.

[jaimie]

Yay! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[NotoriousTIMP]

Ryan, you're a thread making machine! haha

[Ryan]

Just for the artists I love. :D

[Toadflax]

I covered The Noose in LA around Halloween but couldn't share it with you lovely people until now. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlP1t6bfQ7g

[brotha52]

I'm trying to get my hands on a couple things. Can someone lead me in the direction of a recording from the Berkeley/Greek Show from this last summer?
Also does someone have a high-quality recording of By and Down?
Any word on an official release?

[aggroculture]

Still angry about how shitty their NYC show was this summer. That tour seems to me nothing more than a cash-grab.

[Emil Dorbell]

Still angry about how shitty their NYC show was this summer. That tour seems to me nothing more than a cash-grab.

Saw them in LA and really enjoyed the show. So did my friends who were there - five of them. Was it really that bad for you...?

[aggroculture]

Yes, it was terrible, maybe it was just a bad show. They seemed out of practice, uninterested, and the sound was awful. By contrast the Puscifer show I saw last week was great.

[heavenly_bearded]

Yes, it was terrible, maybe it was just a bad show. They seemed out of practice, uninterested, and the sound was awful. By contrast the Puscifer show I saw last week was great.

No it was not just your show. The whole tour was a kick in the nuts to APC fans. Played bad. Sounded bad. No energy. They simply do not care. The last show in St. Paul destroyed opinion that I had of these guys. Saw them 3 times before this tour and it was always great. I agree about Puscifer... Saw them 2 weeks ago and it was soooo much better. At least they keep it entertaining.

[Harry Seaward]

Strange, the show I saw in Phoenix was anything but bad. Maybe it was the fact that I'd been wanting to see APC for years or maybe it was all the vodka ($7 a shot?!?), but I loved it. I got to meet the band (sans Bastard James Keenan) so it was a pretty rad experience for me. Even if eMOVITe is my least favorite album, they made it sound great.

[Emil Dorbell]

No it was not just your show. The whole tour was a kick in the nuts to APC fans. Played bad. Sounded bad. No energy. They simply do not care. The last show in St. Paul destroyed opinion that I had of these guys. Saw them 3 times before this tour and it was always great. I agree about Puscifer... Saw them 2 weeks ago and it was soooo much better. At least they keep it entertaining.

Sound was great at the Gibson Amphitheatre, and they played well. Don't know about the energy really. I had nosebleed seats and was mostly paying attention to the music. I also think they did a great job with rearranging the songs.

[aggroculture]

Yes, their versions of eMOTIVe were the only thing I enjoyed that night.

[jrdsctt]

Does anyone have a copy of the extended version of "The Package"? I've been trying to get a hold of it for a while to no avail.

[JessicaSarahS]

No it was not just your show. The whole tour was a kick in the nuts to APC fans. Played bad. Sounded bad. No energy. They simply do not care. The last show in St. Paul destroyed opinion that I had of these guys. Saw them 3 times before this tour and it was always great. I agree about Puscifer... Saw them 2 weeks ago and it was soooo much better. At least they keep it entertaining.


Hmmm, odd. Their set at Lolla was pretty awesome.

[jaimie]

Does anyone have a copy of the extended version of "The Package"? I've been trying to get a hold of it for a while to no avail.

http://www.mediafire.com/?61x2v44e2n3dev5 :D

[JessicaSarahS]

http://www.mediafire.com/?61x2v44e2n3dev5 :D

Ooh, thanks!

[BRoswell]

Before the old board went kaput, I mentioned that I had gotten into A Perfect Circle recently and had loved Mer de Noms but had been lukewarm on Thirteenth Step. I finally decided to go back and listen to it, and what do you know? I enjoyed it a lot more this time around. I'm really hopeful that they'll all get together soon and do another album.

[Piko]

Yeah, that one's a grower. I liked it upon first listen. But as time went by, I began enjoying it more and more.

[BenAkenobi]

for me Mer de noms was harder to digest :|

[MAD]

Wasn't there a very good audio recording of "By and Down"?

[Harry Seaward]

I'm not sure, but I'm interested.

[Space Suicide]

Wasn't there a very good audio recording of "By and Down"?

Not any I can recall. Their reunion was a joke. I expected more than a tour that I couldn't attend a show at, not even one newly released song. Live doesn't count either.

[Rdm]

The show Most recently was very mediocre. Show in 2004 was amazing .

[october_midnight]

I'd have to agree. It's going in a descending order, the best show of theirs I saw was in 2000, then 2003 with NIN, and then last year in Seattle. Still thought all were well worth seeing though.

[RJK]

I'd have to agree. It's going in a descending order, the best show of theirs I saw was in 2000, then 2003 with NIN, and then last year in Seattle. Still thought all were well worth seeing though.

NIN toured in 2003?

[october_midnight]

No, I don't know why the fuck I typed 'with NIN' in that post. It was just them headlining in Calgary.

[theruiner]

No, I don't know why the fuck I typed 'with NIN' in that post. It was just them headlining in Calgary.Yeah, my nerd alert was going off, but I didn't want to say anything. :p

[october_midnight]

It's been a while lol. If I'm correct, it was...August-ish? I just remember since it was about a few weeks after my 22nd birthday and a friend got us tickets. I could be off on the date but I'm sure it was August.

[PQHooligan]

http://www.mediafire.com/?61x2v44e2n3dev5 :D

Could you re-upload please? :)

[jaimie]

http://www.mediafire.com/?vnl98r8o29rx9rn

[PQHooligan]

Thank you!!!

[Harry Seaward]

Thirteenth Step is a fantastic album. Streets ahead of Mer De Noms​.

[think i'm a fire engine]

I like Emotive more than 13th Step. Make of that what you will.

[jaimie]

I like Emotive more than 13th Step. Make of that what you will.

As do I, pretty sure we are the minority ;) I've never been a huge fan of 13th Step.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

As do I, pretty sure we are the minority ;) I've never been a huge fan of 13th Step.

I can see how you guys can like it better. There are a lot of songs on Emotive that I like over some songs on 13th Step. I have noticed the more and more I have listened to 13th Step, the more I found myself skipping tracks and rolling my eyes because to me the songs just get old and forgettable (not all of them). Emotive is very diverse from the rest APC's catalogue, and some tracks really shine because of that. Honestly, I cannot even say what my favorite album would be.

[The Doctor]

Does anyone have a copy of the extended version of "The Package"? I've been trying to get a hold of it for a while to no avail.

What is this version from?

[fortysixand2]

What is this version from?

Japanese release.

[renholder]

I recorded two bootlegs over the summer and never released them. I like both the versions of By and Down that I got.

I'm surprised everyone was so bummed out about this tour in general... I mean, sure, I'd love more MDN and TS, but the eMOTIVe shit was a whole lot better live than on the record. I also thought the band was in high spirits, had a lot of energy... and MJ was much more active and than he's been the last 4 times I saw him with his other band.

[bobbie solo]

yeah but you're a seemingly blind superfan who gushes about everything Maynard does on multiple messageboards, so of course that would be your opinion.

[renholder]

yeah but you're a seemingly blind superfan who gushes about everything Maynard does on multiple messageboards, so of course that would be your opinion.

Yes... because mentioning how Tool was awful the last 4 or 5 times I saw them is.. gushing. o_O

ps HI RYAN I MISSED YOU

[bobbie solo]

i must have missed those. sorry man.

[Harry Seaward]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MqXdkLtgc

Good stuff.

[gorny540]

does audio or video exist of when Troy joined the band for Ashes to Ashes back in 2010?

[Cameron]

They only played for 43 minutes?

[fillow]

They only played for 43 minutes?They were opening for NIN

[seasonsinthesky]

and had one 40-minute record out!

[fillow]

At that time they were short of material anyway. Aside from what they played while supporting NIN, their headline shows would include some of the following: heavy full-band version of Over, full-band version of Renholder (not just prerecorded), Ashes to Ashes, 3 Libras Remix and Ozzy's Cure (aka Diary of a Lovesong). Can't think of anything else they could play on the first tour.

[Ryan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MqXdkLtgc

Good stuff.


Damn that's good. Is that all fan shot and edited? Amazing for 2000 if so.

[dlb]

afaik it was broadcasted by MTV. the audio is available as a bootleg called "phoenix rising". I really love it since it they play "sleeping beauty" with the extended intro.

[Ryan]

afaik it was broadcasted by MTV. the audio is available as a bootleg called "phoenix rising". I really love it since it they play "sleeping beauty" with the extended intro.


Yeah, just got past that one. Suddenly just reminded of how beautiful Breña is.

[seasonsinthesky]

there's an actual bootleg called Live in Phoenix that is the audio source for bootlegs (like Phoenix Rising), though some of them may also be ripped from the video.

[fillow]

I believe there was some kind of promo CD for that Phoenix show because the audio version that I have kicks incredible amount of ass and sounds like a proper live album.

[Broadbent]

I believe there was some kind of promo CD for that Phoenix show because the audio version that I have kicks incredible amount of ass and sounds like a proper live album.

Ya it was releases as a promo, so was the video on VHS, that live cd kicks so much ass. I haven't listened to the Album version of Mer De Noms since I got it.

[neorev]

Where can I get a copy of this awesome audio?

[BenAkenobi]

wondering if Maynard still has those pajamas :)

[fillow]

Live in Pnoenix (http://www.mediafire.com/?d935pbst03dbu9v) + some bonus tracks: The Package extended; The Hollow 2001 rerecording; Army demo (later reworked into I forgot which Ashed Divide song)

[Harry Seaward]

Live in Pnoenix (http://www.mediafire.com/?d935pbst03dbu9v) + some bonus tracks: The Package extended; The Hollow 2001 rerecording; Army demo (later reworked into I forgot which Ashed Divide song)

Mah nigga. Thanks.

[dlb]

I haven't listened to the Album version of Mer De Noms since I got it.

same here! ^^

wish the video quality would be better though so together with the music videos one could make a nice little perfect unofficial APC-DVD

[Harry Seaward]

The Hollow 2001 rerecording

Also, what's the story on this? I don't think I've ever heard it.

[gerbil]

Live in Pnoenix (http://www.mediafire.com/?d935pbst03dbu9v) + some bonus tracks: The Package extended; The Hollow 2001 rerecording; Army demo (later reworked into I forgot which Ashed Divide song)

The Stone.

[gerbil]

Also, what's the story on this? I don't think I've ever heard it.

The band rerecorded it (in one take) with Josh Freese who doesn't play on the studio track. Maynard didn't redo his vocals, but they're remixed. There's an extra chorus and they took the harmony out of the first chorus.

[fillow]

Turns out James Iha had a new solo album this year. Anyone heard it? Is it worth checking?

[seasonsinthesky]

Also, what's the story on this? I don't think I've ever heard it.

it isn't a rerecording, just the radio version that contains an extra chorus and a different drum fill intro. the production is a bit different too, but it's still all the same source recordings used on the album. the official title is "Mix 2001" and it was edited/re-produced by Alan Moulder.

[fillow]

It's not a different drum fill intro, it's completely new drum performance by Josh Freese, it's obvious throughout the whole song.

[wight rabbit]

*Ahem*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYc3rn0viQw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYc3rn0viQw)

[antiskum]

Turns out James Iha had a new solo album this year. Anyone heard it? Is it worth checking?

yeah it's pretty good

i got one of the songs streaming on my tumblr if you wanna check it out http://broken-chairs.tumblr.com/post/21077624353/james-iha-gemini-2012

[gerbil]

it isn't a rerecording, just the radio version that contains an extra chorus and a different drum fill intro. the production is a bit different too, but it's still all the same source recordings used on the album. the official title is "Mix 2001" and it was edited/re-produced by Alan Moulder.

I have it on very good authority that it is, in fact, a completely new recording.

[brotha52]

I'm more interested in that Army recording. I hear elements of that track across both Mer De Noms and 13th Step. Curious about the Ashes Divide reference.

[Harry Seaward]

I'm more interested in that Army recording. I hear elements of that track across both Mer De Noms and 13th Step. Curious about the Ashes Divide reference.

What are you curious about? It evolved into Ashes Divide's 'The Stone'.

[seasonsinthesky]

It's not a different drum fill intro, it's completely new drum performance by Josh Freese, it's obvious throughout the whole song.

drummers do alternate takes in the studio.


I have it on very good authority that it is, in fact, a completely new recording.


i bow to your mystical authority. someone go scan the credits of The Hollow 2001 promo, or someone go show me Alan Moulder/a band member talking about re-recording it, please.

[Space Suicide]

i bow to your mystical authority. someone go scan the credits of The Hollow 2001 promo, or someone go show me Alan Moulder/a band member talking about re-recording it, please.

I thought the 2001 radio mix of The Hollow was just mixed with more distinct drum features, also perhaps having a re-recording of those only. Josh Freese and not Tim Alexander unlike the Mer de Noms version?

After reading back, it looks like everyone is in agreeance with me or vice versa.

[gerbil]

i bow to your mystical authority. someone go scan the credits of The Hollow 2001 promo, or someone go show me Alan Moulder/a band member talking about re-recording it, please.

http://www.discogs.com/A-Perfect-Circle-The-Hollow/release/1420782

EDIT: Skwerl from the old APC.net boards, who was actually involved with the band, confirmed it was a new recording way back in 2003 or thereabouts.

[Harry Seaward]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLb_di68lI8

Found this on the tubes.

[ManBurning]

Found this on the tubes.

well, whatever it was, it's gone now.

[Harry Seaward]

well, whatever it was, it's gone now.

Well FUCK.

Fucking Maynard took down the account. It was a new YouTube account that had all sorts of rare TOOL/APC/Puscifer shit. Lots of rare interviews and whatnot. What the fuck is Maynard's problem? Prick.

[Goldfoot]

Well FUCK.

Fucking Maynard took down the account. It was a new YouTube account that had all sorts of rare TOOL/APC/Puscifer shit. Lots of rare interviews and whatnot. What the fuck is Maynard's problem? Prick.

Did it in any way link to any of the bands' sites?

[S. Chonson]

Damn. There was some good shit on that channel.

[aggroculture]

Wish we could hold off on updating this thread until there's some, y'know, actual news like?

[Harry Seaward]

Wish we could hold off on updating this thread until there's some, y'know, actual news like?

Oops, apologies for the inconvenience.

[aggroculture]

Don't mind me, I'm just grumbling this band did a random, rip-off tour and then nothing, not even on the horizon.

[Harry Seaward]

Don't mind me, I'm just grumbling this band did a random, rip-off tour and then nothing, not even on the horizon.

It's alright, I feel the same way. It's really strange of them to do that. Last I heard, Maynard had laid down vocals on at least one track, so either they're taking a fucking long time to figure out how they want to release music now, or they scrapped it. It's kinda annoying that it's just been nothing but radio silence. The slightest update would be nice, even if it's just a "We're just trying to figure out what we want to do, but it's not dead."

[ManBurning]

Wish we could hold off on updating this thread until there's some, y'know, actual news like?

That's kind of how I feel about most of the threads in the Muscial Revolution section of this forum.
For some reason, with the old ETS, people seemed to ONLY post in a thread when there was some sort of news. Now it's a "everything goes, hodge podge discussion about your faviorute band" it seems.

I've learned to accept this though, this is how the new ETS is gonna be. But boy-of-fucking-boy do I ever feel your pain on this issue, especially with that TOOL thread! =)

[frankie teardrop]

i guess i'm of the (rare?) faction that prefers general discussion about a band and all of their merits over a constant news stream. not for nothing, but it's not like we're pitchfork or NME. there are plenty of other sites for that up-to-the-minute news stream.

i will agree that there's a lot of unnecessary squibbling in the "big bands" (tool, manson, etc.) threads, though. but i, for one, welcome quality discussion about a band, both past and present.

[october_midnight]

Agreed. Makes it easier to find the threads that people actually care about, unlike some others COUGH COUGHgnr COUGH. Also, people are actively posting videos like the ones above, etc. which is always welcome.

[Space Suicide]

I like discussing bands, don't even have to be relevant with any news at the moment to enjoy a rousing conversation or have fun passing time.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Well, for me it is easy enough to go to a bands page I may be following and check out their Facebook, Official Site (that rarely exists anymore), Twitter, GOOGLE, etc to see what is up. I really like that you can go into a thread now and start talking about say a video, an old demo someone may be looking for, a live video/performance, or even just to talk about an album and no one flies off the handle and starts yelling at people because they clicked on the thread just to not receive any new news. I actually like to see other peoples opinions in here and have some constructive debates here and there. I've learned a butt load of stuff on here from fellow board members about bands that I love; being subjected to just posting in a thread, or bumping a thread for news about a band that everyone on the board likes I always found a bit silly. Either someone will respond and add to the convo, or no one will respond.

I guess what I am trying to say is Google is one hell of a resource ;)

But yea, a studio version of By and Down would be fucking nice... a thank youuu.

[aggroculture]

Not all bands, just this one. I am happy to discuss Bach or whatever artist has no new releases. Just grumbling about seeing this thread updated all the time, hoping there'll be some news, and then finding people chatting about them like it's all cool. Like I said I resent the fact this band got together for a tour that was horrible...and then nothing.
Don't mind me, carry on.

[fillow]

If it's APC we are talking about, a post about previously unseen or rarely seen PRO SHOT FUCKING FOOTAGE qualifies as pretty big news to me.

[jaimie]

Touche fillow.

This probably isn't gonna go over well and I know this is the internet and all but christ some of you like to complain about every little thing. So you clicked into a thread about a band you like and there was NO news to report?!? Wow, bummer. It didn't cost you any money and it took maybe 30 seconds of your time, is it really that big of a deal?

If threads were ONLY created on the occasion that a band did "something new" this thread technically shouldn't even exist here. I get that some of you are bitter about the tour (not that I agree) but realistically whether the tour kicked ass or not is pretty much irrelevant as far as what they are up to now. Even if it blew your mind they likely still wouldn't be doing anything at the moment and you complaining about how "bad the tour sucked" is only boosting the thread which is essentially what you're complaining about in the first place right?

I have seen this complaint several times now so perhaps I see message boards differently than most but to me they're a place to discuss various topics with others who have similar interests. The rapid report of new activity you typically get is a perk, not necessarily their sole purpose.

[october_midnight]

Agreed. Also keep in mind however that a lot of people here actually have interest in more than like, two bands total, so some like to skim through a bunch of threads about a bunch of different artists. Just playing devil's advocate...

[RJK]

Agreed. Also keep in mind however that a lot of people here actually have interest in more than like, two bands total, so some like to skim through a bunch of threads about a bunch of different artists. Just playing devil's advocate...

You are a broken record with this two bands thing. Just because someone doesn't post in 1,800 threads doesn't mean they only like the bands whos threads they post in.

[jaimie]

Well well well can't say I am surprised that A. you were the first person to respond and B. you made a snarky personal dig in the process. That said, I am slightly surprised you didn't find some way to call me a groupie so hey, way to keep things interesting!

I truly don't feel the need to prove myself to you but just be aware that the fact that I only post about a few artists here is in no way indicative of a lack of interest in others.

[Goldfoot]

This argument is pointless. A forum is a place where people exchange ideas on a topic. These ideas don't have to be new, and they don't have to be news. If you are browsing this place, only going into recently updated threads, only expecting there to be news, then you are doing it wrong. If I feel the urge to come discuss how amazing I think Paz's version of The Hollow is, I should be able to do so without people asking me to shut up because that has nothing to do with the band's current situation. Having people refrain from discussion on a topic, unless there is something new to report, is a great way to stifle conversation and ruin the great dynamic that a message board has.

[october_midnight]

Actually I didn't even notice who that person was (didn't notice who until looking just now) since the username is different.

A. Wasn't talking about anyone in particular, otherwise I would've named someone.
B. Thought it was clear with the 'devil's advocate' thing...

Way to keep up the ETS tradition of everyone taking the internets so srsly.

[Sutekh]

Touche fillow.

This probably isn't gonna go over well and I know this is the internet and all but christ some of you like to complain about every little thing. So you clicked into a thread about a band you like and there was NO news to report?!? Wow, bummer. It didn't cost you any money and it took maybe 30 seconds of your time, is it really that big of a deal?

If threads were ONLY created on the occasion that a band did "something new" this thread technically shouldn't even exist here. I get that some of you are bitter about the tour (not that I agree) but realistically whether the tour kicked ass or not is pretty much irrelevant as far as what they are up to now. Even if it blew your mind they likely still wouldn't be doing anything at the moment and you complaining about how "bad the tour sucked" is only boosting the thread which is essentially what you're complaining about in the first place right?

I have seen this complaint several times now so perhaps I see message boards differently than most but to me they're a place to discuss various topics with others who have similar interests. The rapid report of new activity you typically get is a perk, not necessarily their sole purpose.

+1
how most people on the internet see themselves
http://www.mtv.com/onair/daria/images/index_daria.gif

how they come across
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Napoleon-Dynamite-napoleon-dynamite-117734_356_367.jpg

[aggroculture]

I don't want people to stop talking about APC. I just want them to bitch more about APC's lack of respect for their fans. :/
That is all. Now back to special footage and extended packages.

[jaimie]

No and I get it. I personally wasn't dissapointed by the tour but that's not to say I don't understand why some of you were.

I guess I just hate to see people being discouraged from posting things they find, asking questions or looking for specific items they may not have because when they do they get scolded for posting about something that isn't related to new activity from the band.

october_midnight - Oh okay, well forgive me for assuming you were referring to me when it was a post in direct response to something I said and using a specific insult you have directed towards me in the past. Sorry about that.

[october_midnight]

Wasn't talking about anyone in particular. Could've said 'four bands' or 'three bands'. Was just trying to make a point, didn't mean it as a dig.

[aggroculture]

EDIT

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[neorev]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

[Ryan]

lol october_midnight seems to clash with 99.9% of people on this board.

[think i'm a fire engine]

sup forum

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[bobbie solo]

I just want them to bitch more about Maynard's lack of respect for their fans.

fixed that for you. You think anyone else in the band is the reason for the delays? Those guys, part. Howerdel would jump to start up the APC machine again if they could.

[Harry Seaward]

A Perfect Circle will be playing at Soundwave 2013. (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/soundwave-2013-lineup-announced-20120808-23t49.html)

Enjoy, ya Australian fucks.

[voidnz]

Wonder who'll be in the line-up. So cool. might have to go over. Hoping they do an NZ Show though.

[sa_nick]

I was hoping they'd be on the already awesome BDO lineup. It's cool they're making Soundwave though. There goes another $190 .__.

[icklekitty]

A Perfect Circle will be playing at Soundwave 2013. (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/soundwave-2013-lineup-announced-20120808-23t49.html)

Enjoy, ya Australian fucks.

Maynard James Keenan in Australia? Reinforce the dams.

[Ryan]

A Perfect Circle will be playing at Soundwave 2013. (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/soundwave-2013-lineup-announced-20120808-23t49.html)

Enjoy, ya Australian fucks.

Will do!!!!!

[Madmya]

Fuck yes! Tomahawk and Kyuss too!

BDO is dead to me forever.

[gerbil]

Hoping we can get some kinda release to hype up the tour.

[Piko]

Or any kind of release at all...

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I just realized it's been a year since I saw APC in Pittsburgh - And a year since "By and Down" was introduced, and hinted as a small release.

That's kinda depressing. I mean, I know the dudes are all busy, but man...It would've been great to at least get just that song.

[Ryan]

I'm gonna be meetin' Jaime down here!

[Piko]

Maybe I just find it weird for bands to tour and play shows without releasing anything. Agreed that they're all busy, so it's understandable. But you'd think that with the time to rehearse, travel and perform, they could be working on new material. That bugs me.

[Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3EUCly6o8

[Cecil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3EUCly6o8

So even though Josh will be drumming at Soundwave with Paramore, he won't be playing with APC?

[Harry Seaward]

@seanbeavan - I am mixing @aperfectcircle live at Red Rocks right now and i have to say @JeffFriedl is a frickin' machine!


!!!???!?!

[Madmya]

Bah, was hoping Josh Freese was coming to Australia.

[Harry Seaward]

Also this. (http://i.imgur.com/x5eP5.jpg) Check the APC section. Is this enough to warrant confirmation of an official live APC release?

[fillow]

Also this. (http://i.imgur.com/x5eP5.jpg) Check the APC section. Is this enough to warrant confirmation of an official live APC release?
If 'forthcoming' by Manson means Born Villain then I don't know. Isn't it taking too long to mix a goddamn live release?

[Harry Seaward]

If 'forthcoming' by Manson means Born Villain then I don't know. Isn't it taking too long to mix a goddamn live release?

Well that tweet I mentioned was less than 24 hours ago, so I'd say it's still viable.

You're right though, it is taking a while. That image of his credits was put on Facebook like a month ago. And it had to have been made before even that, because the Born Villain thing like you said.

It's got an 'A' next to it, so I guess no DVD. Oh well, I'm still happy to hear about it. This means we'll finally have an official "By and Down".

[Harry Seaward]

Doublepostban.

Does anyone know anything about the show/recording that this (http://soundcloud.com/harrymerkin/fredsgotslacks) is taken from? The quality sounds pretty good, and Maynard seems hilariously lit.

[theimage13]

Lincoln, Nebraska. 12/12/0X (don't remember the specific year). I've posted the link to it before, but it may have been pre-New ETS. Last show before Christmas. Maynard was dressed as Santa, replacing lyrics with Christmas lines (The Pet is fucking hilarious; no spoilers from me). Lots of jokes between songs. If I had it on me, I'd just re-upload it. Won't be home until sometime next year though, so no luck on my end.

[gerbil]

http://i.imgur.com/C1Wh6.jpg

A Perfect Circle? Ashes Divide? Who knows!

​By and Down single release tomorrow please please please.

[aggroculture]

Sept. 10, 2012, LOS ANGELES - A Perfect Circle will perform one show in 2012: Dec. 29 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas.

Tickets for the special evening are on-sale Sept. 15 at 10 am pacific. VIP tickets will be available simultaneously via this link only: http://aperfectcircle.frontgatetickets.com (http://speakeasypr.us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=ea68d5c3298d18f0325b8b08f&id=f954514129&e=b6defb4196).

A Perfect Circle recently confirmed their participation in the 2013 Soundwave Festival, which kicks off Feb. 23 in Brisbane. The band returned from a six-year hiatus in the Spring of 2011 for a five-week North American tour that included a stop at Lollapalooza.

[virushopper]

I know where I'm going this December!

[fortysixand2]

That'd be funny if they played the eMOTIVe setlist again.

[ManBurning]

Any word on what the VIP Tickets will include?

[Harry Seaward]

Any word on what the VIP Tickets will include?

From http://aperfectcircle.frontgatetickets.com:


APC Sound Check Pass

Most fans are familiar with the concert experience, when the lights are down and the band starts. But have you ever wondered what it's like before the show, with the lights on, the venue empty, and the band rehearsing for the upcoming show? Purchase the APC Sound Check Pass to experience this unique setting that most fans never get a chance see. For the first time EVER, you have the opportunity to be present at this intimate setting while APC rehearses! Fans will receive early access to the venue - which means first shot at a prime General Admission location (if applicable) or, if a reserved seat, the opportunity to get settled in your premium seating location. You'll see the venue preparations for the night's show. You'll see the room fill in anticipation of the show. And most importantly, you will be receiving extremely exclusive and intimate access to the band's sound check. At the sound check you can expect to see the band run through a few tunes in preparation for the night's show. This package is available to fans of any age!

All Sound Check pass holders will receive:
- 1 single premium location ticket, with advance entry to the venue, prior to doors opening to the general public.
- Exclusive Access to A PERFECT CIRCLE's sound check
- Limited Edition APC 2011 Signed Tour Lithograph.
- Limited Edition APC 2011 Exclusive tour merchandise, available only to sound check pass holders
- Exclusive APC 2011 tour sound check pass
- Exclusive, Pre-show access to the Band's merchandise stand before the general public.

Wine Tasting + APC Sound Check

The wine magazines are talking about it. The movie BLOOD INTO WINE tells you about it. Now you can come learn about it first hand, while trying it yourself! Basic concepts of Maynard's wine and processes used by Caduceus and AZ Stronghold will be presented. A Caduceus Vineyards representative will discuss the wine, take questions and you'll be able to personally critique the wine. Class sizes are restricted due to short supply. Please note, this event occurs a few hours before the show. (Tastings will be based on each city's schedule, but typically start at approx. 4 pm.)

Following the wine tasting, patrons also receive access to APC's sound check!
ALL WINE TASTING PATRONS MUST BE OVER 21 AND HAVE A STATE OR FEDERAL ISSUED ID PRIOR TO ENTERING THE WINE TASTING.

All Wine Tasting/Sound Check pass holders will receive:
- Access to the Caduceus Vineyards Pre-show Wine Tasting.
- 1 single premium location ticket, with advance entry to the venue, prior to doors opening to the general public.
- Exclusive Access to A PERFECT CIRCLE's sound check
- Limited Edition APC 2011 Signed Tour Lithograph.
- Limited Edition APC 2011 Exclusive tour merchandise, available only to sound check pass holders
- Exclusive APC 2011 tour sound check pass
- Exclusive, Pre-show access to the Band's merchandise stand before the general public.

[fillow]

Oh I get it, this show is just another round of wine promotion and have nothing to do with the new music and shit

[Harry Seaward]

^ Yeah, I can't believe these cunts. Playing concerts and shit, who the fuck do they think they are?

[NotoriousTIMP]

Keep in mind that they have show(s) in 2013 so this is most likely a warm-up date. You guys crack me up with all the bitching that's going on in here. If you don't like the fact that there is a upcoming APC show then don't go, problem solved.

I personally would love to see them again, regardless of new music or not, because I enjoy their live sets.....

[Harry Seaward]

Oh, also worth noting that that VIP stuff I pasted says 2011, so this show might be different. No way to tell yet, unless anyone knows of another place to find this out.

[fillow]

I can bitch about what I want as along Maynard keeps touring only in NA and Down Under (with either band).
Europe, mother fucker, will you tour it?

[theimage13]

I can bitch about what I want as along Maynard keeps touring only in NA and Down Under (with either band).
Europe, mother fucker, will you tour it?

With such nice fans, I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to ;)

[october_midnight]

Yeah it seems like a warm up show to me, but I too think it's wrong for fillow to come in either this, the Manson, or Tool thread and expect any other type of response. My only beef to something like this is that it's what...2 years now? 2 and a half? that Maynard's heart clearly isn't in it. Glad I saw them in 2010 where it still kiiiiiinda felt like it was...maybe. Now it just feels disingenuous.

[Harry Seaward]

My only beef to something like this is that it's what...2 years now? 2 and a half?

They played like 30 shows last year.

[Broadbent]

They played like 30 shows last year.


Maynard hasn't given a shit since 96. it only started to show in the performances at the end of the laterals tour

[october_midnight]

They played like 30 shows last year.

Umm, I know. Doesn't disprove my point.

Oh, unle$$ you're implying that there'$ no way he'd do it rather than $imply becau$e he ju$t LOVE$ to tourrr!!

[aggroculture]

Put out a new album and tour it with a little enthusiasm. Or shut up and go home. Unfortunately, given Tool's impending album+touring cycle, neither is likely to happen.
Mixing up the wine thing with APC is just pissing all over the fans.

[theimage13]

Put out a new album and tour it with a little enthusiasm. Or shut up and go home. Unfortunately, given Tool's impending album+touring cycle, neither is likely to happen.
Mixing up the wine thing with APC is just pissing all over the fans.

If a fan buys a ticket, they're not getting pissed on - unless they've made the adult decision that they're getting pissed on and do it anyway.

If a fan doesn't buy a ticket, no harm done.

If enough fans don't buy tickets, no more shows.

Can someone please explain to me what the problem is?

[aggroculture]

With Puscifer, there was a connection with Caduceus, albeit a primarily financially-driven one: the Blood into Wine soundtrack was mostly Puscifer songs. I don't begrudge Maynard for mixing those two things together. Both the Puscifer and Caduceus fanbases are largely constituted by Maynard/Tool obsessives. I know those kind of people because I am one of them...but I won't buy the wine. Or a soundtrack full of songs I already own.

What the hell does Maynard's wine have to do with APC? It's a horrible dilution and cheapening of the APC brand. It's like he's only taking APC on the road if he can set up a little booth at the side to sell his wine...it's classless, and he'd never get away with it in Tool, the other guys'd tell him to go fuck himself.

And asking people to pay for a fucking soundcheck is horrible. I've had to stand through hundreds of soundchecks in my life, comes with working in the music industry. I will never get that time back. The idea of paying to see a soundcheck strikes me as an all-time music industry low. It's preying on some fans' eagerness to have exclusive insight, or a closer relationship with the band. It's taking advantage of the very kind of personality cult Maynard spent the first 15 years of his career ranting against. I accept he's changed his tune on that front with Puscifer and Caduceus, and now markets himself as a personality. But does APC need to be turned into the Maynard Inc. show too?

[gerbil]

With Puscifer, there was a connection with Caduceus, albeit a primarily financially-driven one: the Blood into Wine soundtrack was mostly Puscifer songs. I don't begrudge Maynard for mixing those two things together. Both the Puscifer and Caduceus fanbases are largely constituted by Maynard/Tool obsessives. I know those kind of people because I am one of them...but I won't buy the wine. Or a soundtrack full of songs I already own.

What the hell does Maynard's wine have to do with APC? It's a horrible dilution and cheapening of the APC brand. It's like he's only taking APC on the road if he can set up a little booth at the side to sell his wine...it's classless, and he'd never get away with it in Tool, the other guys'd tell him to go fuck himself.

And asking people to pay for a fucking soundcheck is horrible. I've had to stand through hundreds of soundchecks in my life, comes with working in the music industry. I will never get that time back. The idea of paying to see a soundcheck strikes me as an all-time music industry low. It's preying on some fans' eagerness to have exclusive insight, or a closer relationship with the band. It's taking advantage of the very kind of personality cult Maynard spent the first 15 years of his career ranting against. I accept he's changed his tune on that front with Puscifer and Caduceus, and now markets himself as a personality. But does APC need to be turned into the Maynard Inc. show too?

I'm fairly sure that these shows are essentially financing everything Billy and Maynard are doing, respectively. I'm not sure that Ashes Divide gets label funding, but the last Puscifer album was fully funded by Maynard. A Perfect Circle has no label behind them to finance any release--should they choose to have one.

I'm thinking Tool was doing something similar, funds-wise, from their brief touring earlier this year.

[think i'm a fire engine]

^ Yeah, I can't believe these cunts. Playing concerts and shit, who the fuck do they think they are?

Quoted because I don't think the message sank in the first time everyone read it.

[Harry Seaward]

http://i.imgur.com/hVW0q.png

[JessicaSarahS]

Damn. Forgot tickets went on sale yesterday. Now I'm going to be stuck in the back. :(

[jaimie]

Did you buy already? If I were you I would wait, I am sure you'll be able to find somebody unloading decent seats as it gets closer. There were still orchestra seats as of today...

Either way glad you're coming, should be a fun weekend! :)

[DVYDRNS]

going to this for sure.

thats gonna be a busy month.

Refused, A Place to Bury Strangers, APC.

yeesh.

[JessicaSarahS]

Ah, cool! I'll wait it out. Yeah, if I can get a good seat, I'll be there. And I'm waiting on a friend to confirm if he wants to go or not. Black Keys are playing that same weekend too. Can't wait :)


Did you buy already? If I were you I would wait, I am sure you'll be able to find somebody unloading decent seats as it gets closer. There were still orchestra seats as of today...

Either way glad you're coming, should be a fun weekend! :)

[the duder]

What's this all aboot??
After 13 years, I've decided to leave @aperfectcircle with no plans of returning. Apologies to those inquiring about the upcoming shows. -- Josh Freese (@joshfreese)

[NotoriousTIMP]

What's this all aboot??
After 13 years, I've decided to leave @aperfectcircle with no plans of returning. Apologies to those inquiring about the upcoming shows. -- Josh Freese (@joshfreese)

Welcome to 2011.....this is old news

[Harry Seaward]

Welcome to 2011.....this is old news

Any source on this?

[think i'm a fire engine]

Any source on this?

I think it was pretty much assumed when he didn't come with them on the 2011 tourdates.

[Maurish]

I think it was pretty much assumed when he didn't come with them on the 2011 tourdates.
He did have a valid reason and he gave an explanation on his website about the issue, even saying that he will still be the drummer for APC. It was a bit odd decision to go on a tour at that time, they didn't seem to give Freese much choice there.

It's a real bummer though, I really hoped Freese would stay around and they'd do another release of some sort. I wonder what led to this decision?

[NotoriousTIMP]

I bet he left due to his kids. Like he said before, he was touring too much and didn't want to miss out on the little things.

[botley]

Oh great, just two members from the only APC band lineup I liked are left.

[bobbie solo]

band is a joke now. has been for a while. maybe thats why he just cut & run. money grab of the highest order. as usual, fuck you Maynard.

[the duder]

Any source on this?
That was copy and pasted directly from dude's twitter account.

[Leman Russ]

Been listening to Mer de Noms a lot as of late....what a great album. I remember the first time I heard them (first show of Fragility 2.0 tour) and thinking "holy crap this is good who is this???". Been hooked ever since, and this album has held up really well.

[gerbil]

band is a joke now. has been for a while. maybe thats why he just cut & run. money grab of the highest order. as usual, fuck you Maynard.

Sorry they hurt your wittle feewings.

[seasonsinthesky]

Been listening to Mer de Noms a lot as of late....what a great album. I remember the first time I heard them (first show of Fragility 2.0 tour) and thinking "holy crap this is good who is this???". Been hooked ever since, and this album has held up really well.

the drum mix on that album is stunning, though the guitars are a bit dullish compared to Thirteenth Step. you get to the end of "Breña" and it's like the cymbals wash across the mix like water. truly beautiful engineering work there, besides Freese playing well as always.

[aggroculture]

band is a joke now. has been for a while. maybe thats why he just cut & run. money grab of the highest order. as usual, fuck you Maynard.

Sadly I agree with this. They are so half-heartedly resurrecting a horse dead almost a decade, with nothing to show for it. For me APC was a special thing, of a specific time and place: it made real sense in Maynard's artistic trajectory at the time for him to go off and explore this other side. APC had this real power: he'd been unable to express all these things in Tool, and here they were with astonishing force and clarity and vision. Now he's very busy with Puscifer and the wine thing, and preparing to come back with Tool: I just don't see how APC fits in with all that. For them to do a little bit of APC on the weekends seems such a devaluation, and a revisitation of the past. And no, I don't care how much I get to sound like the interlocutor in Hooker With A Penis.

[Leman Russ]

the drum mix on that album is stunning, though the guitars are a bit dullish compared to Thirteenth Step. you get to the end of "Breña" and it's like the cymbals wash across the mix like water. truly beautiful engineering work there, besides Freese playing well as always.

I agree. I always wished we would have gotten more Judith than Magdalena on the record. Even though I love the living shit out of Mags, I always yearned for more songs akin to Judith.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't APC Billy's band and didn't he do most of the writing?

[Space Suicide]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't APC Billy's band and didn't he do most of the writing?

He did. But him and Maynard wrote a lot collaboratively.

[Amaro]

Mdn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>13s

[voidnz]

AWTA but both are amazing.

[gorny540]

The most recent APC tours were really great for someone like me who was younger when the band was in its prime during their first two album runs. I can easily see how long time fans are disappointed, I mean seriously we never even got the By and Down single, is it that hard to put out something like a set of 4 new songs, something for the fans that have waited a decade.

[think i'm a fire engine]

Billy and Maynard always were APC.

I don't get how people are still scandalized by member changes. Paz and Troy weren't even in the band enough yet to play on all/most of the MDN songs. Even Josh wasn't the only drummer on that album. TS was a new band with a dash of the old. eMotive was a total clusterfuck of a lineup, and the touring band has changed numerous times.

[Harry Seaward]

Billy and Maynard always were APC.

I don't get how people are still scandalized by member changes. Paz and Troy weren't even in the band enough yet to play on all/most of the MDN songs. Even Josh wasn't the only drummer on that album. TS was a new band with a dash of the old. eMotive was a total clusterfuck of a lineup, and the touring band has changed numerous times.

It's not so much 'member changes' as 'Josh leaving'. Josh wasn't just some session drummer for APC, he was their drummer. Behind the frontmen (Billy and Maynard), Josh was absolutely the most important member.

[Maurish]

It's not so much 'member changes' as 'Josh leaving'. Josh wasn't just some session drummer for APC, he was their drummer. Behind the frontmen (Billy and Maynard), Josh was absolutely the most important member.
Absolutely! Josh is known for being a phenomenal session drummer, I remember Josh saying that he has done drum tracks for Avril Lavigne and he didn't even know which tracks they would end upon. With APC, I'm sure he was behind the creative process for many songs, it wasn't just another session for him, APC is one of the few bands he has been with from the very beginning.

[fillow]

re: clusterfuck of a lineup on eMotive
I recall that eMotive lineup is also pretty solid. Most of the songs were done by MJK+Billy+Josh+Renholder. Plus a few guest appearances (Paz, Charlie) here and there. The only song that doesn't fit is People are People, which features James Iha and Twiggy instead of Lohner. My guess is the song was recorded when 13Step tour was still ongoing or right after that.

[aggroculture]

To me the main problem with eMOTIVe is Billy's vile singing. If you have MJK in your band - you don't take over on vocals. You let the best rock singer of his generation* do his job.
I think BH redeemed himself a little with Ashes Divide: his vocals are OK on that record. But up against MJK here they sound terrible.
Also, that they were passing this off as an album up there with the other two: I'd rather they presented it as an extended EP.
I actually really like that Imagine cover - and Let's Have A War is good too, nice and spooky. But People are People and Freedom of Choice are sonic sewage, and too much of the album is unpleasant and flat.


*Mike Patton would be the other contender for this title.

[NotoriousTIMP]

To me the main problem with eMOTIVe is Billy's vile singing. If you have MJK in your band - you don't take over on vocals. You let the best rock singer of his generation* do his job.
I think BH redeemed himself a little with Ashes Divide: his vocals are OK on that record. But up against MJK here they sound terrible.
Also, that they were passing this off as an album up there with the other two: I'd rather they presented it as an extended EP.
I actually really like that Imagine cover - and Let's Have A War is good too, nice and spooky. But People are People and Freedom of Choice are sonic sewage, and too much of the album is unpleasant and flat.


*Mike Patton would be the other contender for this title.

I couldn't agree more....they both bring the album to a complete stop and I skip over them with even listen

[Space Suicide]

Absolutely! Josh is known for being a phenomenal session drummer, I remember Josh saying that he has done drum tracks for Avril Lavigne and he didn't even know which tracks they would end upon. With APC, I'm sure he was behind the creative process for many songs, it wasn't just another session for him, APC is one of the few bands he has been with from the very beginning.

LOL at slight sarcasm.

The Vandals and A Perfect Circle have been his core bands.

[think i'm a fire engine]

APC is one of the few bands he has been with from the very beginning.

But he wasn't there at the very beginning. Tim Alexander was.



I recall that eMotive lineup is also pretty solid. Most of the songs were done by MJK+Billy+Josh+Renholder.

But they hardly did it as a regular four-piece. I apparently can't find my emotive liner notes which listed the contributions for each song, but the wikipedia list has two people doing drums, three doing bass, six doing keys or piano of some kind, three on guitar, three on vocals, four doing programming, one sax, and one on strings. And this on an album where the opener was just maynard/billy, the closer was just maynard, and one in the middle was a remix.

[RJK]

The only songs that Josh wrote in APC were Crimes and Gravity.

[Maurish]

But he wasn't there at the very beginning. Tim Alexander was.
Well sure, Tim was there in the very beginning but was soon replaced with Josh, I doubt many know Tim's involvement with the band. As far as I know, "The Hollow" is the only song that features Tim on the drums. I'd still consider this one of Josh's main bands.


The only songs that Josh wrote in APC were Crimes and Gravity.
Even though it says so in the song credits, it's not like they gave him a complete music sheet with every ghost note and fill exactly pointed out to him. A time signature, tempo and a rough idea is mostly what is given. It's still Josh's style there. Use any other drummer and it would sound different.

[fillow]

But they hardly did it as a regular four-piece. I apparently can't find my emotive liner notes which listed the contributions for each song, but the wikipedia list has two people doing drums, three doing bass, six doing keys or piano of some kind, three on guitar, three on vocals, four doing programming, one sax, and one on strings. And this on an album where the opener was just maynard/billy, the closer was just maynard, and one in the middle was a remix.

I've read liner notes here:
http://www.discogs.com/A-Perfect-Circle-eMOTIVe/release/677254
I guess they are taken from the booklet, but so far I failed to find inside scans bigger that these: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=538601

If this is correct, than we have the following:
1. Annihilation: arrangement by BH+MJK; guitar by BH; keys and programming by BH+DL
2. Imagine: arr. by MJK; guitar and bass by BH; drums by JF; piano by MJK and Paz, strings by Paz
3. Peace & Love: arr. by BH, guitar by BH; strings by Paz; drums by JF; programming by BH+CC
4. What's Going On: arr. by DL; guitar and bass by BH; drums by JF; programming by CC
5. Passive: guitars by DL+BH; bass by DL; drums by JF; piano by Paz
6. Gimme: arr. by MJK; guitar and harmonium by BH; bass by DL; drums by JF
7. People are People: arr. by BH; guitar bu Iha; bass by Twiggy; keyboards and programming by Iha+BH; drums by JF
8. Freedom of Choice: arr. by BH; guitar and bass by BH; drums by JF
9. Let's Have a War: arr. by MJK; guitar and bass by DL; drums by JF
10. Counting Bodies: arr. by DL; programming by DL ; programmed drums and piano by Estius; sax by Jason Freese
11. Levee Breakes: arr. by BH; guitar and bass by BH; piano by Paz; drums by JF
12. Feedle: arr. by MJK

BH = Billy Howerdel; MJK = Maynard James Keenan; DL = Danny Lohner; JF = Josh Freese; Paz = Paz Lenchnatin; Iha = James Iha; Twiggy = Jeordie White; Estius = Joshua Eustis

Probably should've done a table instead of simple text.

Also, I LOVE this album from the start to the very end (can't say the same about live versions of some songs though) and i love People are People much more than DM version.

[Harry Seaward]

Pumped.


http://i.imgur.com/DVf2Q.png

[JessicaSarahS]

I'm no longer going to this show :( Boo.

[Fixer808]

Tried my hand at "The Hollow" at karaoke last week and didn't murder it! I really want them to come back to town. Only time I've seen them was on the Fragility tour, but it was fucking amazing!

[ManBurning]

Tried my hand at "The Hollow" at karaoke last week and didn't murder it! I really want them to come back to town. Only time I've seen them was on the Fragility tour, but it was fucking amazing!

Where do you do your karaoke? Me and my friends are looking for a good joint that will actually have reconizable tunes. Like NIN, APC, Marilyn Manson. popular 90s tunes etc.

[Harry Seaward]

http://i.imgur.com/0fx0c.png

Notice the APC section. Live DVD and album on the way.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Screw a DVD, a studio version of "By and Down" would please me more.

[RJK]

While I will be happy with an APC live DVD, the thought of the 2003/04 live DVD that never got released are still fresh in my mind. I hope they release this but I'm pessimistic.

[blackholesun]

More excited for that forthcoming Shining album. Blackjazz was ace.

[Fixer808]

Where do you do your karaoke? Me and my friends are looking for a good joint that will actually have reconizable tunes. Like NIN, APC, Marilyn Manson. popular 90s tunes etc.
Funky's on Hastings St.! Right next door to Save-On-Meats. Not a LOT of selection, song-wise, as compared to, say, the Legion on Main and 23rd, but better vibe. It's a dive, but a fun dive.

[Shnoorum]

Screw a DVD, a studio version of "By and Down" would please me more.

Exactly how I feel. The live videos I've heard on youtube make it far too hard to hear the song properly. However, anything new and studio quality would keep me quite happy.

[RJK]

I would assume that the live album/DVD would be mixed like crazy to make it sound better than YouTube clips.

I would also like a studio version of By and Down for the record.

[FernandoDante]

I want a DVD containing some of those full-album gigs, as opposed to one where they mostly plated EmOtIvE stuff.

[Broadbent]

I want a DVD containing some of those full-album gigs, as opposed to one where they mostly plated EmOtIvE stuff.

The DVD says Red Rocks, which was the final show in 2004. And their last decent performance. I think they played the hollow twice in a row for the taping. been waiting years for that dvd

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Exactly how I feel. The live videos I've heard on youtube make it far too hard to hear the song properly. However, anything new and studio quality would keep me quite happy.

It sounded amazing when I saw them last year... but like... come on already. Although, not surprised at all of course.

[jaimie]

The DVD says Red Rocks, which was the final show in 2004. And their last decent performance. I think they played the hollow twice in a row for the taping. been waiting years for that dvd


Wait I'm confused - are you saying they recorded The Hollow twice in 2004 for the taping? I could be wrong but I was at that show and don't recall that...

Either way, if this is the Red Rocks show from 2011 I am just glad they are releasing a show on DVD where I was not in attendance. :)

[FernandoDante]

The DVD says Red Rocks, which was the final show in 2004. And their last decent performance. I think they played the hollow twice in a row for the taping. been waiting years for that dvd
1-How are you sure it's not the 2011 one? Seems weird to wait this long.
2-Are you saying the band has sucked since then?

[Harry Seaward]

Screw a DVD, a studio version of "By and Down" would please me more.

There's nothing to say that the studio version can't be included on the live album as a bonus or something.

In fact, I'd say it's even quite likely. It would give a nice incentive for fans to buy the album, even if they're not interested in the live stuff.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

There's nothing to say that the studio version can't be included on the live album as a bonus or something.

In fact, I'd say it's even quite likely. It would give a nice incentive for fans to buy the album, even if they're not interested in the live stuff.


I wouldn't mind a DVD, but it's been long enough where they should give us at least something. You make a really good point though for the bonus idea included with the DVD. I can see them making it a digital bonus or something to that nature, or having it on the album and available for download as well.

[fillow]

Does anyone know who mixed The Noose live video from aMotion? Because that sounded horrible. Hopefully, the upcoming release is more in vein with Phoenix recording, soundwise.

[RJK]

The DVD says Red Rocks, which was the final show in 2004. And their last decent performance. I think they played the hollow twice in a row for the taping. been waiting years for that dvd

They did record the 2011 Red Rocks show for the record.

[Broadbent]

1-How are you sure it's not the 2011 one? Seems weird to wait this long.
2-Are you saying the band has sucked since then?

1- I'm not sure. I wasn't aware they taped the 2011 performance
2- Yes

[seasonsinthesky]

i'd definitely prefer the 2004 Red Rocks performance too, but i highly doubt that's what Beavan worked on.

[gerbil]

1- I'm not sure. I wasn't aware they taped the 2011 performance
2- Yes

1. Apparently they did.
2. Then GTFO.

[Rdm]

anything live maynard post 2004 has been meh.

[gerbil]

I really couldn't disagree more. Especially on older Tool material, he's swapping out a lot of screaming for singing and added a lot of melodic touches here and there. I'll agree that some of the 2011 APC songs were rough, but those are from a period where Maynard's voice had a very different tone.

[Fixer808]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAhfZUZiwSE
Perfect!

[kas23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAhfZUZiwSE
Perfect!

That's amazing. Maynard should bring him on tour with them.

[october_midnight]

A PERFECT CIRCLE guitarist Billy Howerdel was interviewed by Las Vegas Weekly ahead of the band's sole 2012 show — on December 29 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Asked if the band has "a well of songs" that they are waiting to release, Billy said: "Kind of. I mean, I haven't even sprung them on Maynard [Keenan, A PERFECT CIRCLE singer] yet. He may be like, 'Let's do something last minute,' but I kind of doubt it, since we have three days of rehearsal left. But I'm one to bite off more than I can chew."

On the topic of whether there are any plans for A PERFECT CIRCLE to release a follow-up album to 2004's "eMOTIVe", Howerdel said: "I'd love to — when the time is right. It would be awesome. I'm trying to write songs with that in mind, but … right now, I'm focusing most of my energy on a new ASHES DIVIDE record, which is under way with 11 songs. Still working on finishing vocals and writing lyrics, and hopefully get that thing mixed in January or February."

According to Howerdel, he never viewed A PERFECT CIRCLE as a side project, despite the fact that it was billed as such when it was first formed.

"I've never felt that it was a side project," the guitarist said. "That being said, I always knew in the background, Maynard's first band is TOOL, and that's where he's going back to. I didn't have expectations that he was going to be doing an album, tour, album, tour consistently. That would be wishful thinking, but I wouldn't wish that upon the TOOL guys. You get into that very complicated desire versus being sensitive to other people around you. At this point, Maynard's got his fingers in so many pies that it's a welcome thing to me when he says, 'Hey, I've got a hole in my schedule; let's do this.' It's fantastic. He's incredible to work with. He's always got something interesting to offer and unexpected. I'm very lucky to be teamed up with him whenever I can."

After a 13-year run with the band, drummer Josh Freese announced his departure from A PERFECT CIRCLE in October, "with no plans of returning," he wrote on his Twitter profile.

A PERFECT CIRCLE recently confirmed its participation in the 2013 edition of the Soundwave Festival, which kicks off February 23 in Brisbane, Australia.

A PERFECT CIRCLE toured North America for the first time in six years last year. These were the band's first live dates since a mini-tour they did in the fall of 2010, in which they played each of their three studio albums over the course of three nights in five cities.

The 2010-2011 lineup of A PERFECT CIRCLE included Keenan, Howerdel, Freese, former SMASHING PUMPKINS guitarist James Iha and bassist Matt McJunkins.

A PERFECT CIRCLE currently does not have a record deal.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Where's VnD? I bet she's going nuts over the news of a new Ashes album :)

[virushopper]

Here's the link to the interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2012/dec/26/talking-shtty-songs-and-mampms-perfect-circle-guit/

[jaimie]

Oh I am but keep in mind he has been "working on it" for over 3 years now so as with everything he does I will believe it when I hear it ;)

[RJK]

Oh I am but keep in mind he has been "working on it" for over 3 years now so as with everything he does I will believe it when I hear it ;)

They definitely finished one song.....almost three years ago. :l

[Broadbent]

No mention of the by and down single or the live dvd rumours earlier in the thread. It'll be interesting to see how these next few live performances go.

[virushopper]

Just saw tonights show.

It was more or less the same as the last tour. Emotive heavy setlist, James and Maynard stand up segment and By And Down was the last song.

Merch was meh. Same shirt design, different color scheme and today's date.

Kuodos to anyone who was able the film the concert, security was on point on stopping people who whipped out their phones or cameras.

And no new details on album or DVD.

[Ryan]

Sucktastic!

[Harry Seaward]

I was also there. Got these pics of the poster and the VIP pass. There was also a VIP pass with a black dude drawn in the same style that the venue staff had.

I thought they replaced Maynard with a robot because he hit every note beautifully. Rest of the band seemed on spot from what I could hear too.

I really didn't see many cameras , which is strange. A lot of the crowd really didn't like Neil Hamburger. The crowd was really into the show, and the band seemed to enjoy it.

Full set list. (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/a-perfect-circle/2012/planet-hollywood-resort-las-vegas-nv-13da4d91.html) Exactly half is from eMOTIVe. Not too bad. Not to mention that a lot of the songs from that album get changed up to be nearly unrecognizable in a live setting (see: Annihilation)

Here are the pics.

http://www.imgur.com/86V4m.jpeg
http://www.imgur.com/ijexf.jpeg

[Space Suicide]

So what's it take to get more, new studio material from these guys? I'm dying and have been dying since they reformed. A half-assed live recording doesn't really tide you over when you know they could easily record it and release it. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Something tells me they have more than one new song written since they reformed, least that we know about.

[fillow]

Nobody would suspect anything if Maynard just took his Conditions songs to Billy and recorded them under APC name instead of Puscifer (maybe replacing some electronics and programming with real guitars and drums here and there)

[Harry Seaward]

Something tells me they have more than one new song written since they reformed, least that we know about.

Was it the fact that Billy said they might debut another new song in Vegas?

[Space Suicide]

Was it the fact that Billy said they might debut another new song in Vegas?

No, to be honest I didn't even read that he said such a thing.

Plus my reason of stating it is the fact that a band that has hard-working members like APC I'd find it odd they'd only have written one song in a 3 year span.

[voidnz]

There's no reason a band like APC should be playing covers (Emotive shit) with so many amazing songs.

[Maul]

Whoa,no Judith.Shame.

[virushopper]

Whoa,no Judith.Shame.
There hasn't been Judith since 2010.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

So much for "one special night." :/ I couldn't even go, and I was hoping for sooome kind of cool thing, even if they'd just whipped out "Judith" one time.

[RJK]

Here is the tour shirt, which was the only new merch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49220527@N03/8332061200/

The back of the shirt and the VIP messenger bag are in the full set here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49220527@N03/sets/72157632399248726/

[Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBi1rKwHL8

[Maul]

Do we have a reason why?

[october_midnight]

PureVolume has pics up from the show. (http://www.purevolume.com/festivals/photos-a-perfect-circle-at-planet-hollywood-las-vegas-nev/a-perfect-circle/)

[FernandoDante]

Eh, fuck EmOtIvE

[Harry Seaward]

Eh, fuck EmOtIvE

Which of the eMOTIVe shows did you see?

[FernandoDante]

Which of the eMOTIVe shows did you see?
As many as I did non-eMoTiVe shows.

Regardless, fuck that record.

[NotoriousTIMP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBi1rKwHL8

Quick, someone get this man either a new camera or some videography lessons!

[jaimie]

Ha! I give them credit for even getting that, apparently people were being ejected left and right for filming/taking pictures.

[RJK]

The guy right in front of me got thrown out for ha ing his phone out. They warned him once and the second time they took him out.

[jaimie]

going to this for sure.

thats gonna be a busy month.

Refused, A Place to Bury Strangers, APC.

yeesh.

Just remembered you posted this, you didn't end up going did you? We're gonna be in a fight if you did and didn't hit me up to come say hi ;)

[DVYDRNS]

Just remembered you posted this, you didn't end up going did you? We're gonna be in a fight if you did and didn't hit me up to come say hi ;)

No that ended up being around the time my dad was in the hospital. I didnt get to go because of all that nonsense. :/

I would never NOT hit you up at a show I knew you were at :)

[DVYDRNS]

howerdell is selling some stuff

http://www.ebay.com/sch/apc_gear/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=3&_rdc=1

[JessicaSarahS]

Whoa,no Judith.Shame.


There hasn't been Judith since 2010.

I can't believe it's been that long! Feels like just the other day. :(

[RJK]

There hasn't been Judith since 2010.
They played Judith at Rock on the Range in May 2011.

[virushopper]

They played Judith at Rock on the Range in May 2011.

Oh I didn't know that. I thought it was the same setlist as Emotive tour that followed.

[gerbil]

Sounds pretty likely that the guys are trying to raise funds for their various projects. Is Billy still signed to a label right now? Puscifer is independent and so is APC.

[RJK]

Ashes isn't signed to a label and neither is APC. Billy said in an interview before the last show that he was selling the stuff because he got all new gear and it was just taking up space. I'm sure funds have something to do with it as well.

[DVYDRNS]

Getting rid of a closet full of CDs. I have this that I can't find any info on.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/29/quzu7e5e.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/29/mujusety.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/29/ehyjatav.jpg

[Space Suicide]

It's one of the Acoustic Live Singles released in 2000. To my knowledge The Hollow, Sleeping Beauty and 3 Libras were the only three songs released (and/or performed?).

Check here for info. (http://www.discogs.com/artist/A+Perfect+Circle)

[DVYDRNS]

yea its this

http://www.discogs.com/A-Perfect-Circle-3-Libras-Acoustic-Live-From-Philly/release/372093

Whats it worth i wonder? selling all my cd's off.

[RJK]

yea its this

http://www.discogs.com/A-Perfect-Circle-3-Libras-Acoustic-Live-From-Philly/release/372093

Whats it worth i wonder? selling all my cd's off.

$15 to $25 to the right person.

[think i'm a fire engine]

It's one of the Acoustic Live Singles released in 2000. To my knowledge The Hollow, Sleeping Beauty and 3 Libras were the only three songs released (and/or performed?).

Check here for info. (http://www.discogs.com/artist/A+Perfect+Circle)

They also performed Thomas but didn't release it, the only version available is fan-made.

[uroboros]

These are the Acoustic APC versions I am aware of:

official:
hollow
beauty
libras
orestes (demo)
hollow (c.c. mix)

lo-fi bootlegs:
thomas
hollow (take 2)
outsider
stranger
powerless


if there are others, please for the love of the unholy, tell me.

[Harry Seaward]

Did APC do a cover of Eulogy before or was that in my head?