The little things that piss you off

[Khrz]

I called the butthurt, it's very easy to get a negative reaction out of this community.

Really a matter of context and people involved. When aggroculture mentioned going back to Europe to get blown up by daesh, I cringed hard but didn't feel like whining about it. After all it was an obviously light-hearted comment, not an ignorant one. Maybe trying to get better at writing jokes would help everyone to understand when one is merely kidding...

[aggroculture]

Khrz I apologize for that. When I came out of my drunken fog and re-read everything I'd written, I was ashamed at having written that.

[Khrz]

@Khrz (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2023) I apologize for that. When I came out of my drunken fog and re-read everything I'd written, I was ashamed at having written that.

Don't, really ! If everyone starts to tiptoe around every subject that might be sensitive for others, we won't speak about anything.
I can't tell you the amount of very offensive jokes we made with my dad, related to my brother's death... I'm still a firm proponent of humor as a coping mechanism, as a form of clever despair.
People just need to mind their writing. Writing is everything when you joke online, and a badly written joke isn't a joke anymore.

[Louie_Cypher]

Everything every body!!!

[aggroculture]

Don't, really ! If everyone starts to tiptoe around every subject that might be sensitive for others, we won't speak about anything.
I can't tell you the amount of very offensive jokes we made with my dad, related to my brother's death... I'm still a firm proponent of humor as a coping mechanism, as a form of clever despair.
People just need to mind their writing. Writing is everything when you joke online, and a badly written joke isn't a joke anymore.

Hearing about you joking with your dad gladdens me.

[elevenism]

Ok, so due to "losses incurred while trying to work within the parameters" of Obama's land mark Bait and Switc...i mean...Affordable Care Act, you can no longer purchase a fucking PPO in texas. Period.

The spine specialist that both my mother and i see is not accepting HMOs. Period.

And i expect this to be a trend with other drs.

I was talking to the scheduler and the charge nurse the other day, and when i explained to them that there are NO PPO plans available, they said "oh, well then this clinic will be closing."

This means paying cash for procedures that cost thousands (and sometimes TENS of thousands of dollars) just to stay on meds.
As my back heals, i'm pretty sure i can go without meds.

But my mom has a metal plate and six screws in her neck into which nerves have grown and fused-some real Lovecraftian, HR Giger type shit. And she's been on these meds for over a decade.

This fucking sucks.

[Dra508]

I have fingernails about as thick as tissue paper. I've been getting gel manicures every two weeks. About a week and a half ago, I picked off all of my polish. All of my nails then started breaking off. So I went back and got them redone this weekend. But in order to even them out, they're all cut so short now that I can't even scratch myself. AHHHHHHH.
I really do need to give your nails a break. I did gel/shellac for awhile and I could barely get two weeks out of them when I'd start peeling the polish off, which of course pulls layers of your nails off. I couldn't help myself and I don't even grow my nails long, my nail beds are so long they just look long with polish on them.

Anywho - lay off the gel for a month and get one of these.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/5/4/4/1/4/5/webimg/404748516_o.jpg

[Sarah K]

When I don't have them done though, they just crumble apart. They are so thin. I dunno wtf. I've tried all of the vitamins and shit. Nothing helps them except being protected by the gel shit!

[allegro]

When I don't have them done though, they just crumble apart. They are so thin. I dunno wtf. I've tried all of the vitamins and shit. Nothing helps them except being protected by the gel shit!

Have you tried Biotin?

[Fixer808]

Fuck you, fennel, you goddamn nasty-ass, sausage ruining seeds.

[ldopa]

^that's why i'm picky about ordering pizza.
"does your sausage taste minty or not?"

[kel]

it's more licorice-like to me. actually, it's unmistakably licorice.

also, ldopa i randomly discovered where your user name came from while digging through used cds at hastings.

[implanted_microchip]

When people call someone "pathetic" for dealing with mental health issues. It shows such a fucking lack of empathy and understanding.

[Swykk]

Yep. I had to cut ties with a friend a couple years ago mainly because he lacked empathy for mental health issues (especially mine). Used to say, "Get a helmet." It's a shame because he is brilliant and good in many ways but so hateful and dismissive in others.

[allegro]

also, ldopa i randomly discovered where your user name came from while digging through used cds at hastings.

See this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-DOPA), and see also this book by the late Oliver Sacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakenings) later made into a movie. :)

(RIP Oliver Sacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sacks), read some of his books, they're GREAT, this is one of my favorites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for_a_Hat).)

[kel]

thank you, allegro. the sarna really makes the itch go away nearly instantly.

and i'll try the benadryl tonight.

i just had an ah-hah moment, though; every time i touch money at work, EVERYTIME, i use hand sanitizer. that's gotta be exacerbating it. duh.

[allegro]

thank you. the sarna really makes the itch go away nearly instantly.

and i'll try the benadryl tonight.

i just had an ah-hah moment, though; every time i touch money at work, EVERYTIME, i use hand sanitizer. that's gotta be exacerbating it. duh.

OH MY GOD, THAT'S LOADED WITH ALCOHOL!!! Yup, you hit the nail on the head! Very very drying!!! Glad the other stuff is working!!

[kel]

it's also a song on big black's songs about fucking.

[allegro]

it's also a song on big black's songs about fucking.

I love Big Black. Steve Albini's a smart guy who probably knows all about that.

[kel]

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[allegro]

my husband has had what we thought was the flu since thanksgiving. fever, aches, textbook case. last night (or this morning), he woke up shivering uncontrollably. not the normal flu shivers, he was having convulsions basically. i had no choice to go to work before his 3:45 appointment so my mom came and picked him up. he was admitted for severe dehydration and i got the news right before i was due to leave work.

and my relief was fucking late. and not just late, but late because she was stuck in the starbucks drive thru. i went off on her, BIG TIME before getting out of there. and now he's finally home and will hopefully be okay after a few days. all i can think about is my outburst on her, a much older woman than me.

tomorrow is going to suck/be awkward. i should have been able to keep it together, at least for a few extra minutes. hot headed nonsense, please eventually elude me.

I'm sure a big tip and an abject apology will make things all better. She's probably been treated like that a lot, sadly. We live in a world of zero patience.

[kel]

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[ldopa]

panic and thoughts of "FUCK THIS IS IT" have taken their toll, but there's another thread for that.

i think this at least once a day (even about things that don't seem serious to others.) and it's my "major flaw." it's an inherent thing and it's a hard habit to curb and control. some people just have this demeanor. it's hard to explain to others and since i'm stubborn, it's hard to apologize for my actions and words. then the 20/20 hindsight rolls in and you feel like a "bad" person, which makes you feel guilty, which is the most destructive emotion on the planet.

though you were in an emergency situation among people you might not be comfortable with, which is sorta justified and forgivable.

we're all fucking human, if you can (or want to) just level with the person "my loved one was going through shit, so in turn so was i etc...transference happens and the like..."

[tony.parente]

I ordered 2 shirts on 11/20, a "Hail Santa" shirt for me from Etsy and a "Drink Coffee, Hail Satan" shirt for my friend Sam for Xmas from a completely different site. I got Sams shirt 3 business days later and I'm still waiting for mine. I looked up the tracking number on my shirt and it shows the shop printed the shipping label on the 22nd but never got picked up by USPS, I message him through Etsy on the 28th and he responds within an hour and issues me a 50% refund and said when he got back to town he would look into it. He's now not responding to messages and the tracking number still shows not sent yet. I'm annoyed he's not responding and I'm wondering when the hell I file a dispute with Etsy.

I bought it hoping I would get it before Black Friday so I could wear it during my consumerist adventures but now I just want it and I'm fucking aggravated and impatient.

[Jinsai]

quitting smoking... again... Day one...

once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more

[elevenism]

i am SO. FUCKING. SICK.
I don't generally get sick. I've just got a really good immune system and a high constitution. When my mom and/or wife get sick, it's AWFUL and goes on for a long, long time. They do shit like don't make it to the bafroom when trying to vomit. They run high fevers and feel awful. I, on the other hand, will be a TINY bit sick for about 6-8 hours for every 168 hours of agony they suffer. I THOUGHT i was being empathetic, but it's been so long since i got sick that i didn't even know HOW to!

Welllllll, my brother and sister in law came with their kids (who are now 3.5 and 1.5.) They fucking adore me, and we had lots of hugs and cuddles and such.
The youngest, the little boy, got VIOLENTLY fucking ill. I mean, it's AWFUL. And i caught it! Every inch of my throat and sinus cavities feel like they're on fucking FIRE. My whole body hurts like hell. The fractured vertebra that were healing? No more. I can barely fucking walk and the referred pain into my ribs feel like there's pressure on my internal organs. The sinus cavities are all fucking clogged up so it's hard to breathe. I'm SO fucking nauseous-every medicine i try to take comes back up. The last time i was this sick was about 2010 or 11.

So as much as i wanna converse with you fuckers about the issues of the day, i have to lay down and won't be back till i'm better. :/
Wish me luck.

[kel]

get well, elevenism.

insomnia. i've been watching seinfeld since 4.

[kel]

double post. sorry.

[ldopa]

scott weiland, john lennon, jim morrison

it's rock and roll sadness right now. and it truly does piss me off. it's not fangirl shit, it's memories/ nostalgia, inspiration, truth, mortality, empathy, and euphoria.

[Jinsai]

when people you're talking to on the phone start saying the same thing over and over again... What the hell was that? I mean, quite literally, almost verbatim, the same thing.

"So the movie starts at 9, so we should probably meet up at my place like an hour before? Yea, so if we met up here at 8, I think there should be plenty of time to safely get to the theater before the movie starts, because it doesn't actually start until 9, and that will give us a good hour to get from my place to the theater. So, yeah, it would be best if we tried to all get here about an hour before the movie starts. So lets meet at my place at 8 o'clock? Any later than that and we might not make it to the theater in time for the 9 o clock show. So I think we should try to head out at least an hour before, but an hour should be fine. So 8 o clock."

And you're responding with "sure. Ok. That's fine. Sure. Ok. OK. OH KAY. YES. WHAT THE FUCK?!" The actual conversation I just had was similar to that bit I just posted, but about ten times as long.

[elevenism]

I facepalm things here because i don't want to say i LIKE them, because the things being said are horrible. So i'm trying to show commiseration, and then my friends ( @Miss Baphomette (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=11) ) think i'm trying to be mean to them, which i would never, ever do.

This whole thing extends to facebook too. I mean, how do you "like" a post that says "my family died in a car accident?"

I wish there was an "i feel you" button or something, on both sites.

So @Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) , do you think you could turn me on to some good tutorials for fl studio 11? Yeah, i think i could make some really hot tracks with it if someone showed me the right tutorials, so do you think you could do it? If you don't show them to me, i don't think the tracks are gonna work out, so it would be cool if you did. SO, do you think you could just let me know which ones to watch? ;)

OH yeah, and i'm also still sick as fuck, and so i'm probably gonna die pretty soon.
Make sure they play Life on Mars and Whiter Shade of Pale at the funeral.

[Dra508]

quitting smoking... again... Day one...

once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more

Time and distance between urge and action. Want to light up, literally walk around the block.

[elevenism]

quitting smoking... again... Day one...

once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Two words Jinsai : Vapor. Izer.
I went from 2 packs of filterless cigs a day to a vape.
I started with 4.8% nicotine (which i had to order from fucking china, but that's what it took.)
I dropped to 3.6, then 2.4, and now i'm at 1.8 or 1.2 .
It REALLY works man, it really does. And even if you don't kick the vape, it's still a hell of a lot better than smoking. Nicotine DOES harden your arteries in any form, but gone are the looming inevitabilities of emphysema and cancer and COPD (as far as we know.)
The jury is still out, but if you really get into the "vaping is awful for you!" studies, you will find that they often manipulate factors to reach the desired answers, and if you follow the money trail, are often funded by big tobacco companies (who are hedging their bets by investing in vaporizer companies, which REALLY cracks me up)

[playwithfire]

thank you, @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76). the sarna really makes the itch go away nearly instantly.

and i'll try the benadryl tonight.

i just had an ah-hah moment, though; every time i touch money at work, EVERYTIME, i use hand sanitizer. that's gotta be exacerbating it. duh.

While I don't have eczema, I have OCD, and my hands take a beating (they can crack and bleed if I'm not careful sometimes once the weather gets cold) because of it. If you ever just need a regular super strong lotion, this is my favorite. (http://www.amazon.com/Lubriderm-Advanced-Therapy-Lotion-Ounce/dp/B0000SW8BG) Also, could you possibly wear nitrile gloves when you handle money at work? Tattoo gloves fit really tightly and look cool.

[Baphomette]

I facepalm things here because i don't want to say i LIKE them, because the things being said are horrible. So i'm trying to show commiseration, and then my friends ( @Miss Baphomette (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=11) ) think i'm trying to be mean to them, which i would never, ever do.WTF are you talking about???? We had one conversation about that, months and months ago and we cleared it up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/missdv8/12-6-2015%207-23-53%20PM_zpsniuq5e00.jpg

You make it sound like it happens on a continual basis.

[elevenism]

WTF are you talking about???? We had one conversation about that, months and months ago and we cleared it up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/missdv8/12-6-2015%207-23-53%20PM_zpsniuq5e00.jpg

You make it sound like it happens on a continual basis.
that's not what i meant.
i just meant it for example-and i wonder how many other people have misunderstood what i meant by it.

Edit: and that was the best example i could find, where someone got the most upset!
I am NOT trying to talk shit about you Miss Baphomette .

[allegro]

Two words Jinsai : Vapor. Izer.

No no no. That's not quitting, that's just a replacement. It's like switching to beer instead of hard liquor when you're an alcoholic. Nicotine is still nicotine to your heart, lungs, cancer, everything. Just.quit.nicotine. Period. People who CHEW get fucking mouth cancer. I smoked for 20+ years and I'm still having longterm affects from chronic bronchitis. Addiction to nicotine sucks. It took me, like, SEVEN fucking times to finally quit but it's been 15 years and I still haven't had a cigarette (I smoked a pack a day). I've seen too many people die or have a stroke from that shit (and look old way too fast). My dad smokes 3 packs per day with Type 1 diabetes and went blind because of smoking, and he still smokes. It's an addiction. Quit it.

Jinsai has tried to quit, before, and we used to have an entire thread devoted to this topic on the old board. Nicotine replacement in the form of the patch or gum or lozenges is limited in amount because the goal is quitting with a countdown to that final date.

edit: Here's the "Quit Smoking" thread from this new board (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1515-Quitting-Smoking?p=76024#post76024).

[Jinsai]

No no no. That's not quitting, that's just a replacement. It's like switching to beer instead of hard liquor when you're an alcoholic. Nicotine is still nicotine to your heart, lungs, cancer, everything. Just.quit.nicotine. Period. People who CHEW get fucking mouth cancer. I smoked for 20+ years and I'm still having longterm affects from chronic bronchitis. Addiction to nicotine sucks. It took me, like, SEVEN fucking times to finally quit but it's been 15 years and I still haven't had a cigarette (I smoked a pack a day). I've seen too many people die or have a stroke from that shit (and look old way too fast). My dad smokes 3 packs per day with Type 1 diabetes and went blind because of smoking, and he still smokes. It's an addiction. Quit it.

@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) has tried to quit, before, and we used to have an entire thread devoted to this topic on the old board. Nicotine replacement in the form of the patch or gum or lozenges is limited in amount because the goal is quitting with a countdown to that final date.

edit: Here's the "Quit Smoking" thread from this new board (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1515-Quitting-Smoking?p=76024#post76024).

Man reading through that thread makes me feel so guilty and lame. I had it under control, and at some point I fucked up. It is SO fucking hard to get through the initial withdrawals. Your mind plays so many tricks on you, and you find yourself trying to trick yourself. It sucks so much.

[allegro]

Man reading through that thread makes me feel so guilty and lame. I had it under control, and at some point I fucked up. It is SO fucking hard to get through the initial withdrawals. Your mind plays so many tricks on you, and you find yourself trying to trick yourself. It sucks so much.

Dude, like I said, I did hypnosis twice, cold turkey, all kinds of shit, at least SEVEN TIMES, and I guess that's the AVERAGE. So don't feel bad, just keep trying until you finally get it, because you will. I hope this is the time! It really does suck so much, it's a nasty (and fucking expensive) addiction, and it will fucking kill you, dude, don't let it win.

My uncle is currently in hospice right now with Stage 4 COPD, it's fucking NASTY, ugh. Like breathing through a STRAW as far as lung capacity, like drowning. And you can quit and that shit can still sneak up on you 20 years later from the damage. The sooner you quit, the more likely that won't happen, hopefully. G's cousin is on 24/7 oxygen, carrying around a tank, and she quit smoking 10 years ago. Nicotine is the devil. If the initial withdrawal is that bad for you, go get the strongest patch available; that worked wonders for me. It's not a miracle, though, it works in combo with behavioral modification and you have to want to quit, natch. Good luck, and go post in that other thread for support it you need it. :)

[Dra508]

Your mind plays so many tricks on you, and you find yourself trying to trick yourself. It sucks so much.I know there are people here who have strong opinions about anti-depressives, but I took Wellbutrin to quit and it really did take the edge off. a gradual tapering off, a quit date, Along with lozenses and a nurse practitioner who I visited every other week for like 6 weeks. It wasn't one thing, it was the combination. As much as your brain says it isn't possible, why try, it is possible and you actually do feel good about the accomplishment along with feeling healthier.


I came here to whine about how I was a lazy ass to get to the post office to ship a gift that she now won't get until after christmas. fuckdickballs.

[elevenism]

No no no. That's not quitting, that's just a replacement.
but it's the only thing that's ever helped me. it makes it to where you can taper the amount of nicotine.
and i expect that i'll be done with it in 6 months or so.

Like i said, 2 packs a day with no filters...there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell i was gonna quit cold turkey.
i smoked like that for 21 years or so.
Now i can breathe and the end of the whole thing is in sight as i slowly lower the amount nicotine juice at a rate i can handle, you feel me?

I couldn't quit with gum or patches either because there is no replacement for the "hand to mouth" addiction. There is also no replacement for the RELATIONSHIP you have with the cig. You might be sitting in a room not saying anything, but you don't have to say anything. You're SMOKING. I don't know if that makes sense...it's like a defense mechanism for socially awkward situations.

OK check this out. A lot of people get into vaping, and they want bigger, stronger toys. They modify them to blow ridiculous clouds of smoke that look, to me, like a heart attack waiting to happen.
That's not what i'm doing, or suggesting. do if you wanna QUIT NICOTINE. We are buying lower and lower levels of nicotine juice until we get to ZERO percent. They do make zero percent, and i imagine i will even be on THAT shit for awhile. (re: psychological addiction)

I don't mean to say that vaping is safe, but it's safER for the time that you're using it, and is a MUCH better aid than any other i've ever tried. i'm telling you allegro , i think the vaporizer is saving my fucking life.

Here's famous attention whore dave navarro talking about it. his argument has more clout than mine because he was a mediocre guitarist for a band in the late eighties and early nineties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N1aRDTlUy8

[allegro]

Like i said, 2 packs a day with no filters...there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell i was gonna quit cold turkey
my father-in-law did. Two packs of no-filters per day, 40 fucking years. he quit drinking, too, was a stone alcoholic. I asked him how he quit smoking, he said he stopped and when he wanted one, he told himself he'd wait an hour and then after an hour, he said he'd wait another hour. And that turned into months, then years.

My "hand-to-mouth" isn't addiction but is part of BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION. That's why so many people get fat when they quit smoking. It's also "cause and effect" because you have programmed yourself ("when I quit smoking, this this and this happens" and then it does.) Again, go to a hypnotherapist, they'll explain all of this to you and why your reptilian brain controls you. Continue discussion HERE PLEASE (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1515-Quitting-Smoking?p=76024#post76024), instead of polluting this thread. You haven't quit. I've quit for fifteen years. Talk to me in fifteen years after you've quit for that long. But six months, that's a REALLY long time. Nicotine, itself, doesn't cause cancer. But, it's still not healthy for you, it's still addictive, and it's mixed with all that other shit and hot fumes in your lungs is still bad. Please, though, continue in that other thread (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1515-Quitting-Smoking?p=76024#post76024).

[orestes]

So glad I work for a company that's "family-oriented" and wants me to work Christmas night. Oh, no, looks like I'll be coming down with a case of blue flu.

[allegro]

I've been putting everything and everybody else ahead of myself but I finally saw my primary physician today, and she had them do X-Rays and a lung capacity test (spirometer) and:

I have an acute ear infection, a sinus infection, and asthma, and I'm probably really allergic to my cats and my dog, although I aced that spirometer so I don't have COPD, whew.

So now I'm on an antibiotic, and Singulair, and I have a rescue inhaler to try. If that doesn't help my wheezing, a pulmonary Doctor is in my future.

We have a beautiful fresh-cut Christmas tree and G keeps telling me that it smells great, but I can't smell anything.

[tony.parente]

Fun fact: when you're allergic to cats you're not allergic to their dander you're actually allergic to an enzyme in their spit!!

[Swykk]

My workplace has decorations up for Christmas featuring the single cheesiest heavy handed bullshit Christmas movie--It's A Wonderful Life and my depression/hatred is like, "BUDDY! Drink it in! Drink. It. In. The fake goodwill during the holidays. The pageantry. Eat it up, friend! Become The Hulk."

I was so angry and depressed yesterday my whole head hurt like I'd been punched repeatedly...which makes me think anxiety was sliding in there and I probably was forgetting to breathe a lot.

[Archive_Reports]

ESPN has turned into unmitigated garbage and every on-air personality has turned into some sort of caricature of an actual human being.

[allegro]

My workplace has decorations up for Christmas featuring the single cheesiest heavy handed bullshit Christmas movie--It's A Wonderful Life and my depression/hatred is like, "BUDDY! Drink it in! Drink. It. In. The fake goodwill during the holidays. The pageantry. Eat it up, friend! Become The Hulk."

I was so angry and depressed yesterday my whole head hurt like I'd been punched repeatedly...which makes me think anxiety was sliding in there and I probably was forgetting to breathe a lot.

Yeah, I've tried boycotting Christmas when I just wasn't "in the mood" for all that shit, and it reminded me how much it must SUCK to be Jewish (or anything not Christian) at Christmas. It was IMPOSSIBLE to escape it. Christmas music in the bathroom in restaurants, decorations everywhere, you just don't realize it until you try to GET AWAY FROM IT, the only place I've ever been able to totally escape it, pretty much, was South Beach at Christmas.

[elevenism]

good god y'all, i'm still so fucking sick. like curled up in a ball crying sick.
i'm pretty sure i've got pneumonia now. drs appt tomorrow.

[Timinator]

Being back in North America, with lots of American TV channels, and all the FUCKING TV ADS FOR DRUGS WHAT THE EVERLASTING FUCK?

[allegro]

Being back in North America, with lots of American TV channels, and all the FUCKING TV ADS FOR DRUGS WHAT THE EVERLASTING FUCK?

The AMA is trying to get the FDA to ban those ads (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/19/american-medical-association-urges-ban-on-tv-drug-ads/).

[tony.parente]

Didn't get any cards against humanity Jew socks today :(

[implanted_microchip]

People who insist that the cure to heartbreak is another relationship and then, if after a while, you don't enter into one, and have no real serious interest in doing so, judge you and act like you're somehow a failure for not wanting to commit to something you're not interested in investing in and being a shitty person to someone else out of some sick sense of necessity and wanting to feed off of another human being for gratification and fulfillment.

[Baphomette]

Finding out the whole "broken bones really hurt when it rains or it's cold" thing is true.

[eversonpoe]

i woke up at 4am with a migraine isolated on the left side of my head. it was mostly in my eye/jaw but also down into my neck. i tried in vain to fall back to sleep until i resigned myself to taking 3 advil at 5am. thankfully, i eventually managed to fall back to sleep and when i woke up i was ok...but seriously, it was so painful.

[millionmilesaway]

Finding out the whole "broken bones really hurt when it rains or it's cold" thing is true.

having had surgery on my knee 6 weeks ago i can relate, the ability to bend it now correlates with the barometer :(

[Khrz]

Grandma just had a stroke ! 2015 wooooo, fuck yeaaaah !!! \m/ *grabs booze*

Seriously tho, when you hear "Karma's a bitch", you assume that it means you'll end up getting what you deserve, not that Karma's gonna bitchslap you whole family into oblivion out of nowhere...

[slave2thewage]

Khrz ugh, so sorry. 2015 is just the worst.

On a personal note, it would be nice if the hospital that had me on a waiting list for surgery would give me more notification that I'm going in for day surgery than five fucking days before. I'm running around trying to get all my assignments done and a hotel booked. Stress can GTFO.

[eversonpoe]

On a personal note, it would be nice if the hospital that had me on a waiting list for surgery would give me more notification that I'm going in for day surgery than five fucking days before. I'm running around trying to get all my assignments done and a hotel booked. Stress can GTFO.

what surgery are you having? (if you don't mind me asking)

good luck!

[slave2thewage]

what surgery are you having? (if you don't mind me asking)

good luck!
Basically, the doctors have determined that a lot of my chronic leg pain is from malformed scar tissue from previous surgery when I was a kid to lengthen the shorter leg. They're going to inject something into it that will reduce the scar tissue, but it requires local anaesthesia and I have to be at the hospital by 7 in the morning on Thursday and I live nearly five hours away from Dublin. My dad is going down with me now so getting back is sorted. It's still a bit of a worry, if I'm being honest.

[elevenism]

Finding out the whole "broken bones really hurt when it rains or it's cold" thing is true.
me too, got damnit . :(

also kleiner352 , it hasn't even been that long

[tony.parente]

Not pissed off, but got some randomly cunty folks in the cargo in the blood thread today. That was weird.

[eversonpoe]

i don't know if this belongs in here at all, but there's no "things that you're super nervous about" thread.

i've known for a while that i need to make a career change so that my wife will have the opportunity to find a job that makes her less miserable. i'm not taking over my dad's business (that would be a nightmare) and i can't keep working for him forever because work is sporadic, people don't pay us all the time, and i JUST got a paycheck for the end of october. i need something with financial stability.

a couple people i know have gone to Dev Bootcamp (where you learn to do coding) and have gotten $50k-$60k/year jobs. part of the prep before an admissions interview is to do the first few lessons on Code Academy in Ruby, which i did this week (mostly yesterday). it was much more difficult than i imagined it would be, but i also haven't been in any kind of learning environment for over 5 years. so i'm hoping the frustration i felt that almost drove me to tears will subside.

but i'm going in for my admissions interview today and i'm super nervous. like, really fucking nervous. i'm terrified that i'm about to attempt something that's going to cost a lot of money and i'll end up not being good at it, i won't be able to get a job, and i'll end up having to come back to work with my dad. (kind of like when i wasted 18 months and $50,000 going to Tribeca Flashpoint and never got a job). i like the WORK i do with my dad; i'm good at it. but i don't want to be a boss or take over the business, and i don't want to have to expand it (which would be necessary for it to sustain itself).

so i'm about to venture into this world that i know almost nothing about, and hope that i can get a job that will facilitate my wife being able to take a couple years off if/when we have a kid, and make it so we won't have to be constantly worried about money.

on the plus side, i'm also getting my millennium falcon tattoo today (essentially for free...i traded my tattoo artist a bunch of records for it) and seeing star wars tomorrow.

[slave2thewage]

Pro - I had the surgery and the painful sites on my leg seem to be less... um... painful.

Con - my dad's car broke down literally as soon as we got to the hospital so he has to spend an extra night down there. It's not directly my fault, but I still kinda feel cunty about being the reason for having to go down there and then all that happened.

[ldopa]

having to be up in like 5 seconds when you haven't slept in 700 hours. fucking bummer, but my own fault.

[eversonpoe]

Pro - I had the surgery and the painful sites on my leg seem to be less... um... painful.

Con - my dad's car broke down literally as soon as we got to the hospital so he has to spend an extra night down there. It's not directly my fault, but I still kinda feel cunty about being the reason for having to go down there and then all that happened.

it's entirely likely your dad's car would have broken down anyway, and he could have been somewhere even less convenient with no company, so don't blame yourself. instead, do something nice for him as a thank you for driving you and bearing with you!

also, glad the surgery seems to have worked! <3

[kel]

my doctor says i need to lose 40 pounds to be at a healthy weight. i'm 6'2" and need to weigh 180? doesn't sound right. at all.

[ldopa]

worry about your heart over your weight. there are people three times my size that are more active and eat better than me. walking works wonders though.

[Jinsai]

it's like the universe doesn't want me to successfully quit smoking...


I decide that yesterday I'm going to do it. I'm going to shovel popcorn into my face and watch star wars. The popcorn part doesn't come through, and the experience is muddled. Oh well, still fun, and I didn't have a cigarette. I made this my quit date, I was looking forward to it. I went to the movie with my brothers and my dad, who all belittled me for being upset that we got to the theater late (hence no popcorn because the fucking fuckingFUUUUUUUUUUCKING lines), despite me making sure we had at least three hours to get there in time...


Today I decide that I'm going to march down to the local theater and complete that popcorn fix I wanted, and catch a good 20 minutes or so of the movie while shoveling popcorn into my face. Oh, the movie's already started 20 minutes ago so they can't sell any more tickets, or popcorn...


And when I walk outside, some random guy asks me if I want a free pack of cigarettes. Am I living in the fucking twilight zone? NO, I don't want cigarettes! I want a tub of buttery popcorn, covered in salt, and I want to watch some stupid movie. Is that so much to ask for? I don't know why, but I looked forward to this. I was thinking "ok, I got awesome tickets, reserved seats, in a theater that serves popcorn with REAL butter, with props from the movie..." and we manage to get there right before the doors open.

After I walked out of that theater, I never wanted a cigarette more in my life. And all my friends were smoking.
WHAT THE FUCK. I JUST WANT A TUB OF POPCORN RIGHT NOW. Because I went to the movie with my dad and brothers, and because nobody can take simple directions, we got there late. At least, I thought, I wouldn't be tempted to smoke around them. But hey, I didn't have ANY time to barely talk to my friends that I secured the tickets for. It's cool if you guys want to piss on my day, while I'm trying to not smoke cigarettes, and mock me for my petty distractions, but fuck. This.

I should have just gone with my friends. And smoke a pack and a half of filterless camels and said fuck it. At least then I would have gotten my fucking popcorn.

[thelastdisciple]

All these assholes spoiling TFA (not on ETS but like EVERYWHERE ELSE, thankfully i haven't been spoiled but i am livid on behalf of everyone that has been) like how has your life gone so fucking wrong that you take pleasure in ruining a sentimental experience for someone?

Apparently a lot of these people are collectively throwing a tantrum because their precious Expanded Universe wasn't recognized as part of the canon, newsflash it followed a canon within and of itself but it was never official Lucasfilm canon just approved on the basis of brand integrity and even then a lot of shit fell through the cracks. Since the Disney purchase it was actually the first time any of the novels and comics moving forward would become canon, this should be common knowledge. It's their own damn fault for misconstruing the legitimacy of those stories with regards to the film universe.

Here's the thing, everyone can have their own subjective headcanon regardless of what's official and with that should come the understanding that those EU stories never fucking went anywhere. Nobody physically came into your house and took your books away, you can keep reading them until the end of your life if you want... that won't change so it's not worth getting bent out of shape over a technicality.

Think of it this way.... had the EU been legitimate Star Wars canon all of the future Star Wars films would have to be adaptations of novels not to mention how zany some of those stories ended up being, any of the ones that featured legacy characters probably wouldn't have even lined up quite right and then what? you start bitching because it didn't live up to the novel. Writers wouldn't be able to come up with anything cinematically suitable and the contradictions? oh my god the contradictions... it would be out of control.

Smarten the fuck up, pull the stick out of your ass and go see a new god damn Star Wars movie!

[ldopa]

Jinsai: spoken like a true quitter!

this scenario may very well be your worst case. i'm a die hard smoker (i'm not quitting for shit,) but i can see plain as day what you're going through. but you made it, you didn't smoke despite all the frustrating bullshit (petty to most, a baffling ordeal to all else) that was going on around you. there was a 1000 triggers and you didn't give in. that hella counts for something. like any break up, time makes it easier. keep on it, and i'll smoke for you.

[DF118]

I used to smoke 30 / 40 a day, easy. Jinsai, If anything, it's better to quit when you're under duress. If you're able to put distance between thought and action now, later, when you feel less need to smoke, similar temptations will seem like a cakewalk in comparison.

If you quit when you're stressed, later you're much better equipped to handle high stress situations without falling back on smoking.

[ldopa]

i think i'm getting sick. sore throat and snot city. i cannot miss work, or else i have no money to exchange for goods and serVICES. i think i need a third job after the new year (or another source of income.) i have thought diarrhea right now and that pisses me off. all the "bad" shit is surfacing.

[slave2thewage]

Bills at this time of year can fuck the fuck off.

[Swykk]

Dude, like clockwork, I ALWAYS forget about my license plate renewal which is October of every year for the last 4 years. It always fucks me up just in time for the holidays which suck to begin with.

[Sarah K]

I am in this two day class for NYC Department of Buildings, and I would rather die.

[Swykk]

What does it entail? Like architecture codes/laws?

This is what I thought of first:

"I'm with the department of Buildings."--Sarah

"Does the building where your department is have a buildings department?"--Dave

<Sarah punches Dave>

[Sarah K]

Yeah. Everything in order to get a license to submit paperwork to the DOB.k Check my Instagram. I posted a short clip yesterday. Two days of that, with 5 tests. I knew nothing about it until Friday, when I got handed 475 pages to "go over" for the class yesterday and today.

If I pass, it will be a goddamn miracle. But it might help me get a different job if I pull this out of my ass, too.

[playwithfire]

A coworker of mine just sent me a needlessly lengthy email over something super inconsequential -- his first time doing a remote interview in a while and some feedback he had. I appreciate him caring but like literally most of his "feedback" would have been addressed (if I was being honest) by "Sorry, I was pooping." since he apparently wanted more communication right before about if he was the first interviewer/the interview being remote for everyone other than him, as he always is remote. He had the entry on his calendar, and he could have figured out rest by reading the candidate's case. I basically told him as much, that I was pooping and didn't get a chance because I was pooping for a while, in waaaay more delicate terms.

My feelings I didn't reply with: Like, hey dude, I'm really glad you care so much about this to have this many thoughts about this thing you've only done once in recent memory and that we do all of the time, and I do actually care about it. But, also, HOW DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW, because I am absolutely SLAMMED at work right now, and also WHY DID YOU PUT THIS IN AN EMAIL. Email formalizes communication. Which is intentional and smart for many things, but if he meant to do that for this, that is stupid. If he'd cc'd my supervisor I'd have been genuinely irritated with him, but he didn't.

[ldopa]

time division. i'm being pulled in all directions and it's wearing me out.

being "guilty by association." i make good decisions concerning day to day life (for the most part,) but some of my friends don't. it doesn't mean they're bad people and i don't need lectures and shade thrown at me from outsiders who don't know me or others involved (but they sure fucking think they do.) i need to be trusted that i can make my own decisions and accept whatever results come from them, good or bad. all people know about other people, is what they tell each other. the rest you need to open your heart and find out for yourself. sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

[Pillfred]

The caber tossing contest in the apartment above mine.

[elevenism]

HOLY shit, tornadoes in the dallas suburb where i went to HS last night, and 11 people dead so far.
it looks like a lot of the area where i lived as a teenager is fucking leveled.
i'm trying to make sure all my friends are ok.

[eversonpoe]

my lower right eyelid is totally swollen. it hurts when i blink, look around, or even think about it. my eye itself is fine so i don't think it's pink eye (though i've never had it), but i'm not sure what to do.

[playwithfire]

Sounds like a stye. Try compresses? Otherwise hit up a doc.

[eversonpoe]

Sounds like a stye. Try compresses? Otherwise hit up a doc.

yeah, when i get back home later i'm going to try a compress. thanks!

[slave2thewage]

yeah, when i get back home later i'm going to try a compress. thanks!
Try and use some mild soap with tea tree oil in it to wash the eye area. I had a stye about 18 months ago and it was hellish for a few days, but that helped clear it up.

[icecream]

Jinsai It's crazy how little willpower you have when trying to quit. Been trying really hard too recently but it's been rough. Had three weeks under my belt until I got a ride home from a coworker and had a situation where I was offered free cigs. Have your tried gum or other substitutes?

Guy upstairs does his laundry at midnight and fucks around his house making lots of noise. Tonight the house started to shake and I thought it was him moving some furniture. Turns out there was a minor earthquake near by. But seriously I thought a minor earthquake was you fucking around, guy upstairs. Fuck you.

And he doesn't even know how to take out the garbage. Puts a full bag on an empty trash can. Hey fuckdick, open the receptacle and put the bag in it. Of course animals got to it and spread it around the property.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

this Oprah weight watchers commercial i keep seeing over and over and over again makes me wanna kick her in her fat ass.

with her money she could hire a fucking team to monitor every calorie she eats and here she is trying to play up the "woe as me it's hard for everyone to lose weight" card. fuck off Oprah.

[tony.parente]

this Oprah weight watchers commercial i keep seeing over and over and over again makes me wanna kick her in her fat ass.

with her money she could hire a fucking team to monitor every calorie she eats and here she is trying to play up the "woe as me it's hard for everyone to lose weight" card. fuck off Oprah.
It doesn't cost money to lose weight, fuck weight watchers.

On a side note there's a weight watchers literally next door to a honey baked ham store on the way to my gym so that's pretty funny.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

another thing that pisses me off are people on this site who sit in the peanut gallery since 2012, never post anything, and like/hate everything without contributing :rolleyes: that 'facepalm' button brings out the inner troll in a lot of people apparantly.

[allegro]

another thing that pisses me off are people on this site like [edited] who sit in the peanut gallery since 2012, never post anything, and like/hate everything without contributing :rolleyes: that 'facepalm' button brings out the inner troll in a lot of people apparantly
Actually, she's been here since the old board, at least since 2007, and was pretty active when NIN was active but some people get less active when NIN isn't doing anything.

While I hate the facepalm button (it wasn't on the old board), and think it's incendiary and too Facebook-y, at least we don't have a Shit List, anymore, ugh, those were brutal. We aren't supposed to call out users who piss us off, anymore, on this board; the management has asked users not to do that.

Don't take the facepalms personally; think of it more like "I disagree" and ignore them. Also, look in your settings and you can disable notices of likes and facepalms.

Re Weight Watchers or any other program for people with weight loss problems: Oprah has admitted that she has hired personal chefs to cook meals for her, but it didn't last. Oprah has a food addiction problem, just like millions of other people in this country. It is a medically-documented psychological disorder that can't be waived off by simple diet techniques. Just like any other addiction, for these people food stimulates pleasure chemicals in the brain. These programs combined with exercise and therapy can be successful but they have to be a lifelong commitment. Weight Watchers is good for bringing food awareness, nutrient awareness and group socialization. People go on-and-off of it a lot, but they keep the info and skills they learn. It's way better than the "buy all your meals" programs like Jenny Craig.

[halloween]

I absolutely hate shoveling snow and decided that I am never making a trip back to visit my dad in the winter. Shoveling heavy crusty icy snow from the driveway together with PMS has ended up in me sobbing my eyes out in anger and frustration. I've been stuck in this house for 48 hours and cabin fever kicked in and I just hate it all. I want to park my ass in a pub downtown and forget about having to spend the another two weeks in this goddamn mountain house. Don't get me wrong, I love how beautiful it is here, I just can't do it at my dad's house. It's a terribly claustrophobic house considering his hoarding tendencies.

Edit. The weather is so shitty and it's dangerous to take the car out on these rural mountain roads. I hate all of this. Time for another beer.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

We aren't supposed to call out users who piss us off, anymore, on this board; the management has asked users not to do that.

edited, thanks for the heads up. looks like they called themselves out for me lol.

and anyone who checks the board multiple times a day to up or down vote posts without contributing is being active - an active troll. ive been here since 2005 and go in and out of writing posts. but clicking 10+ likes or dislikes a day isn't a very productive way to participate imo. case and point below.

back to the topic - i have no problem with weight watchers, i think it's great. my problem lies with oprah. her profiting off of her persona that's 'relatable to all women' has always pissed me off. i've always seen her products as a means to prey upon people who think she's just their next door neighbor, aunt, or best friend, etc. etc.

[allegro]

back to the topic - i have no problem with weight watchers, i think it's great. my problem lies with oprah. her profiting off of her persona that's 'relatable to all women' has always pissed me off. i've always seen her products as a means to prey upon people who think she's just their next door neighbor, aunt, or best friend, etc. etc.
I disagree that this is what Oprah's doing. I think that it's a sexist premise that a successful woman is automatically "preying upon women" when she wants to share her success with other women. It's a load of shit. Oprah's actually ON Weight Watcher's, she's had some success with WW, and she did what she usually does: she bought some shares in the company. SOME SHARES. She didn't freakin' buy WW. Oprah no longer has such a command of women that they are going to go flying to WW to sign up because Oprah did. Hell, Oprah's pretty behind in this regard, actually. Millions of women have boarded the WW train for the last 50 years, and Oprah is only now figuring out that she has to learn, herself, the good and bad values of food instead of just cutting out all of certain foods (Atkins) or having a chef hand her certain foods (and then she pigs out on macaroni and cheese or potatoes when her chef isn't around, which lead to diet failure). Oprah's weight has yo-yo'd for most of her life, to dangerously-high levels, and she HAS been "relatable to all women" in this regard. The only people who seem to have a problem with Oprah are people who have a stick up their asses because of Oprah's success. But, I swear, if Oprah was a dude, we would not be having this conversation. Michael Jordan sells his shoes, opens restaurants, buys stock in all kinds of companies, buys sports teams, nobody says shit. But Oprah? She's PREYING ON PEOPLE. I'm a female, and I root for Oprah and her success. The woman still signs ALL HER CHECKS, doesn't trust ANYBODY to totally run her business except her. She doesn't have any "products" of her own except her magazine and her TV channel, and she only delivers what she personally stands behind. But because she's a successful female (like Martha Stewart), people give her shit. She struggles with her weight, she discovers WW, she says "wow, this shit might actually work!" and she is SO down with it, she buys stock and Oprah hardly ever endorses ANYTHING except books. This commercial shit is RARE for her. Oprah sure as shit don't NEED any more money.

I worked with a woman, in her 60s, who hated Oprah, would go on and on about how Oprah only had that orphanage in Africa to get attention for herself, that it was an ego thing, said the most hateful shit. REALLY? Why the fuck would Oprah spend millions of her own dollars to open a school for children in a poor country so that they could be fed and clothed and get an education just so she could get PUBLICITY and feed her ego? That's just catty female bullshit right there. If Oprah was Michael Jordan doing that shit, they'd be shitting themselves calling him St. Michael.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I disagree that this is what Oprah's doing. I think that it's a sexist premise that a successful woman is automatically "preying upon women" when she wants to share her success with other women. It's a load of shit.

i said Oprah preys on people, not preys on women. you did ;) but obviously women are her target zone. i do honestly believe men see her as relating to their wives and would buy into what she says just as easily at this point.

generally tho i look at her preying upon people in lower economic brackets, not based on gender. similarly to the lotto imo.

[allegro]

i said Oprah preys on people, not preys on women. you did ;)

generally i look at her preying upon people in lower economic brackets, not based on gender. similarly to the lotto imo.

You said "relatable to all women."

I've been following Oprah since she was just starting out as nobody in Chicago. I don't see her preying on anybody; and having been in law for over 26 years (and in Advertising for nearly 10 years before that), I'm pretty good at spotting predators.

She isn't ever really "selling" anything except perhaps authors she likes with her book club, and that's geared toward people who like to read as much as she does so she tries to get people to read (clearly a predatory behavior, snort), and she went through that whole New Age Enlightenment "Be Your Best Self" phase trying to get people to keep Gratitude Journals and Live For Now which doesn't cost anything, but she isn't Martha Stewart with lines of cookware and linens at Macy's and paint and Christmas decor at Home Depot, and pet clothing at PetSmart. Not that I'm against that, Martha Stewart is an entrepreneurial Goddess.

Look, the bottom line is that lots and lots of African American women have diabetes in this country (http://www.blackwomenshealth.com/blog/diabetes-in-african-american-women/). Oprah probably has it, too, but hasn't gone public. If Oprah does WW and can inspire other black women to do WW with her and they can use WW's weekly group meetings and weigh-ins to have a support system that often does not exist at home (the weekly meetings are kind of like AA for food addicts), and the WW point system works better for some people than calorie counting, and the food and nutrition awareness helps them know how many calories they are putting into their bodies each day without mindless shoveling, and WW is pretty damned cheap, too, then maybe what Oprah is doing is inspiring some real good, and there is something way beyond just profit, there. This is not predatory. If she is doing the program, too, and needs to lose a lot of weight, herself, and has been on diets and struggling with her weight IN PUBLIC for nearly 30 years, this is not predatory.

Now, Paula Deen making all that Southern fat cooking all those years and then promoting a medicine for diabetes? Still not technically predatory, but probably a stupid career move.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

Look, the bottom line is that lots and lots of African American women have diabetes in this country (http://www.blackwomenshealth.com/blog/diabetes-in-african-american-women/). Oprah probably has it, too, but hasn't gone public. If Oprah does WW and can inspire other black women to do WW with her and they can use WW's weekly group meetings and weigh-ins to have a support system that often does not exist at home (the weekly meetings are kind of like AA for food addicts), and the WW point system works better for some people than calorie counting, and the food and nutrition awareness helps them know how many calories they are putting into their bodies each day without mindless shoveling, and WW is pretty damned cheap, too, then maybe what Oprah is doing is inspiring some real good, and there is something way beyond just profit, there.

I'm all for that. And deep down I hope that positive things like what you mentioned come out of it. I just can't help be see cash grab when I see her I guess.

[Dra508]

But, I swear, if Oprah was a dude, we would not be having this conversation. .This.


It's so true about Oprah not being one of those celebs who attaches her name to any ol product. I give her lots of credit. Now, if she could just stop yelling.

[allegro]

I just can't help be see cash grab when I see her I guess.
It's because you have formed a preconceived notion about Oprah; you have decided to dislike her. But, really, Oprah does ZERO advertising for anything. Except her own TV network or magazine. This is something of a monumental occasion. In that ad, she is stating words that are real to her about weight loss; those of us who follow her know how many times she has publicly lost weight and then gained back MORE weight. SEE THIS (http://www.accessatlanta.com/gallery/entertainment/television/oprah-weight/g2mz/#2426237).

http://static.oprah.com/images/200901/omag/200901_omag_cover_220.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C-kJLZrKz6A/TqVfswZbo9I/AAAAAAAAARc/Z8zQECM_RL0/s1600/oprah.JPG

[TheyCallMeDrug]

It's because you have formed a preconceived notion about Oprah; you have decided to dislike her. But, really, Oprah does ZERO advertising for anything. Except her own TV network or magazine.

i don't dislike her, i see her to be roughly the same as almost every other huge business out there that has way too much money and influence as such. it's really not about her being a woman to me other than that's her marketplace. maybe others, but i dont think i've alluded to the sexism side of the argument once in any of my comments.


This is something of a monumental occasion. In that ad, she is stating words that are real to her about weight loss; those of us who follow her know how many times she has publicly lost weight and then gained back MORE weight.

this is the only gripe beyond it being a cash grab imo. she comes off as a hypocrite because of how much we've heard about her weight over the years. and most people are tired of hearing about it.

I think to show results would have been more powerful, but I think she finally has to put her money where her mouth is and we'll see if she does what she said she will.

and a fun personal fact - my wife was in the Daily Show audience she sent to the Rally to Restore Sanity. I think she does do things that are good. weight loss and her track record with it begins to cross a line imo.

[allegro]

I think to show results would have been more powerful, but I think she finally has to put her money where her mouth is and we'll see if she does what she said she will.
That's like telling Scott Weiland to lay off the dope. You don't really understand this subject. Money and power don't mean shit when it comes to struggling with weight, which is a lifelong struggle. People who also struggle with their weight, like Oprah, are NOT "sick of hearing about it." They can relate to it. They understand the struggle. There is an obesity epidemic in this country. It's an addiction, it's a very real struggle. It's like trying to quit smoking, except worse: We NEED food to survive; we don't need to smoke. I think you are being very unfair, here, and not even a tad bit empathetic. There are lots of people on this board with weight struggles, even a few who have gone through gastric bypass surgery. People who struggle with weight aren't hypocrites just because they struggle with weight, even publicly. I am not sure you understand the meaning of hypocrite.

If Oprah loses a bunch of weight and then fails, yet again, and gains all and more weight, that's public humiliation and failure. How is she being a "hypocrite" for publicly humiliating herself and failing? <--- Rhetorical questions, since that makes zero sense.


has way too much money
Ahhhh ... there we have it.

I don't suppose you read Forbes and such, but Oprah's network has been pretty much failing, she sold her studio facilities and all of her residences here in Chicago, her magazine ain't doing too great, so I think you've been reading a pile of magazines from 1995 as far as her "influence."

[TheyCallMeDrug]

People who struggle with weight aren't hypocrites just because they struggle with weight, even publicly. I am not sure you understand the meaning of hypocrite.

i think she and the media have turned her out to be a poster child for the issue when i dont think she's a good role model for financial reasons and for reasons of her own weight struggle.

she's spoke on and support different dieting programs over probably 20 years now and then to physically go back on that success is hypocritical. especially when that same person is selling you whatever program she used as part of the story.

i understand a lot of people struggle from weight issues but those people can never be compared to oprah on any level other than the basics of age/sex/race. money makes the world go round and this highlights my issue with this topic in the first place. shes influencing people based on the fact that you've known her since she's done her show in chicago, etc etc. but she can never really relate to anyone in your situation because she lives a life not many humans will ever experience.

shes essentially selling hope and that's something that shouldn't come at a price from someone with her kind of finances.



I don't suppose you read Forbes and such, but Oprah's network has been pretty much failing, she sold her studio facilities and all of her residences here in Chicago, her magazine ain't doing too great, so I think you've been reading a pile of magazines from 1995 as far as her "influence."

you're exactly right, im far under educated compared to you when it comes to oprah lol. i havent had the time or energy to keep up with her over the years and frankly have been happy not to see her face around since she moved to her own channel. but i can see i've stumbled upon a pretty big fan of her's lol.

and wouldn't her doing poorly financially support my idea that this is a cash grab??? trust me, i thought the same thing when jason alexander showed up on these commercials years back and i'm a big fan of his. he looked like a clown too.

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_alexander_100517_wg.jpg

[allegro]

i think she and the media have turned her out to be a poster child for the issue when i dont think she's a good role model for financial reasons and for reasons of her own weight struggle.
I don't think anybody, even Oprah, has made Oprah the "poster child" of anything. Oprah's weight has been really fucking obvious so instead of ignoring it, back when she had a show she opted to talk about it. She didn't sell any "hope" to anybody, she just had panel experts on her show and went through her "process" publicly and her audience could join along with her on her journey if they wanted. That was always Oprah's schtick. She never held herself up as the Queen of Diets or anything, and she never said any one diet was better than another. In fact, Oprah has ALWAYS been publicly straight up, especially on her former daily show, about how good she was at failure. Her personal trainer, Bob Greene (with whom she "wrote a book" -- although he did most of the writing and she did a lot of complaining about how she hated exercise) always publicly says that Oprah -- just like she says -- hates exercise and it's hard to get her to do any. But she does it anyway, begrudgingly. And she's never proclaimed herself to be a poster child of diet, exercise or anything other than somebody who falls off the diet wagon every time she succeeds. She's publicly been the Poster Child of Failure.

Oprah has admitted that even having a famous chef like Art Smith doesn't mean shit when you're at home alone at night making yourself a two-pound mound of mac and cheese for comfort food. Oprah is a billionaire and still fat. Fatter than most of us. Which highlights how success doesn't really bring you happiness or make you skinny. She can live a life of luxury, but it doesn't make her skinny or truly happy. Why do you think she's doing all that eating, anyway?

I always was a big Oprah fan because I applaud her success, but I do admit that she has gotten pretty far away from reality. I laughed at the show where she and Gayle went to Costco and it was like Oprah was on another PLANET. But, I see a Martha Stewart commercial on TV every 30 minutes, and nobody ever gives her any shit. Martha has three homes, one is a working farm, and she has such excesses that nobody can even possibly imagine. But, nobody bats an eyelash when Martha is on TV hawking her latest paint colors at Home Depot or teaching us how to make the perfect NY Eve appetizers with Ina Garten. I listen to Martha's show on XM sometimes, and the woman knows fucking EVERYTHING. Somebody called in and wanted to know how to make vinegar and Martha spent 20 minutes talking about the "mother" and blah blah blah, I was, like, omg, I can't believe it, I bet Martha knows how to launch a rocket. Then I found out that Martha loves DRONES and she has several at her farm. But, see, Martha would never gain weight because Martha is perfect.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

But, I see a Martha Stewart commercial on TV every 30 minutes, and nobody ever gives her any shit.

i can definitely see that being aggravating although i would say that in her defense Oprah holds a lot more weight in terms of respect than Martha ever has/will. again, i'm no expert but i'm pretty sure the public thinks of Martha Stewart as largely a money grabbing robot at this point lol.

[allegro]

i thought the same thing when jason alexander showed up on these commercials years back and i'm a big fan of his. he looked like a clown too.

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_alexander_100517_wg.jpg
You mean like Sharon Osbourne and Atkins?
Marie Osmond and Nutrisystem?
Valerie Bertinelli and Jenny Craig?

I don't see how celeb endorsements (celebs who have legitimately been successful with the product) make the celebs look like "clowns" but whatever. We live in a highly Capitalist society. I see these celeb diet ads as a lot less reprehensible than all the craptastic ads for foods that are making people obese.

Anyway, meh, First World Problems.

[Jinsai]

But, I swear, if Oprah was a dude, we would not be having this conversation.

Pretty much.

I just watched Amy Schumer's HBO standup special, and while my opinion on a whole is mixed, the bit where she blasts the hilarious double standard in the way Americans accept male obesity vs. female obesity was amazing. Wish I could post a video link, but it seems HBO has this on a pretty strict lock-down.

If you've got HBO, the moment comes in at 6:30 minute point, but if you don't have it, here's an attempt to preserve the awesomeness of the joke in transcribed form.


"It's fucked up! And that's not how it is for the dudes, at all! OK? I just happened to see the movie Zookeeper. Did you ever see that movie? Ok, if you didn't, don't. Don't. See that. But... so Zookeeper is about talking animals... and the male romantic lead... is... Kevin... James...
Gnnn... ohmygod... Yeah, I know ladies. Is it wet in here, or is it just us? Ummmm... The real King James.

and Kevin James is dating a beautiful blonde skeleton, and... and he's sad, because sometimes she's mean to him.

And then, the girl who's in love with him... who he doesn't notice, who's been there all along... waiting in the wings... is Rosario Dawson.

Arguably the most fuckable actress ever. Rosario Dawson is just like working at the zoo, just like sweeping up koala shit. Like "please fuck me Kevin James. Uhhh, why won't Kevin James give me his diiiiiiiiiick. MWaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

And he's like "ew, you're wearing khakis, never!"

That movie's about talking animals. There's a beaver and a penguin that are friends talking about opening a bed and breakfast... but that's not the most unrealistic part of that movie. It's Rosario pretending...

She should get an Oscar for that fucking movie. Let's see Meryl do that. I dare you Meryl! Pretend like you're dying to have Kevin James deep-dick you.

It's fucked up in Hollywood."

[TheyCallMeDrug]

But, I swear, if Oprah was a dude, we would not be having this conversation.


Pretty much.



I get that there's a sexist angle to this argument that you guys keep pointing out but I promise you I wasn't coming at it from that view point in this case.

I look at weight watchers commercials, not the program - the ads, as almost a skid row for celebrities looking for a cash grab. when kirsty alley, charles barkley, jason alexander, and jessica simpson pop onto those commercials I think, "washed up celebrity looking for a cash grab."

For that reason I was very surprised and offended that Oprah popped up as the face of this year's, jump on the weight watcher's ad campaign. I think she's more than the other celebrities that have come before based alone on her influence of minority groups that I've professionally worked with.

Oftentimes these people cant afford to get caught up in weight watchers and other diet programs that cost money. There are many government subsidized programs out there that people in these situations need to be taking advantage of - not signing up for the new weight watchers deal because of Oprah. Then they end up sending their kids across the street to get honey buns from the bodega cause they're tight on money and the unhealthy cycle continues. I work in the South Bronx with families and this area has one of the worst rates of obesity amongst minorities in the nation and shit like this doesn't help, period. There are NYC wide programs where these families can get free fresh produce, discounted meats, and free family nutrition seminars but instead they're busy watching Oprah and her weight watchers commercials on TV not knowing any better. The groups I work with fight tirelessly to get this information out to people who are otherwise completely unaware. Like I said before, she's selling false hope in a gimmicky situation to some, not all, people who are actually dying from weight issues by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. If Oprah wants help them she should take action instead of offering memberships and calorie counting.

That's my angle. I get there are many to this argument, but I'm not bringing this up for any reason regarding gender, body image, etc, etc.

[Jinsai]

I'm not accusing you of having a sexist angle. I was just commenting on the "Oprah wouldn't get this shit if she was a dude" comment. I honestly didn't see your original comment.

[Sarah K]

Oprah is a multi-BILLIONAIRE.

Fucking el-oh-el at anyone thinking her doing a commercial is a "cash grab".

[TheyCallMeDrug]

i got yah. but that statement implies that 'Oprah gets shit for being a woman' tho right? (if not I must be confused)

the reason i harp on it is that in our increasingly PC society it's easy to write off conflicting ideas by quickly labeling them as sexist, racist, ageist, etc etc. When in fact that might not be the case and shuts down conversation of problems that people might not even be aware of or worst are deflecting because they're offended by them for personal reasons.

and in this case im giving her shit for completely different reasons.


Oprah is a multi-BILLIONAIRE.

Fucking el-oh-el at anyone thinking her doing a commercial is a "cash grab".

read the conversation, that hasn't been the argument. i dont give a shit why she does it. I just think she's endangering certain people for having done so.

[Sarah K]

Oh. Okay...


I just can't help be see cash grab when I see her I guess.



this is the only gripe beyond it being a cash grab imo.


and wouldn't her doing poorly financially support my idea that this is a cash grab???




I look at weight watchers commercials, not the program - the ads, as almost a skid row for celebrities looking for a cash grab. when kirsty alley, charles barkley, jason alexander, and jessica simpson pop onto those commercials I think, "washed up celebrity looking for a cash grab."

[TheyCallMeDrug]

we've got a quoter! you win? if you feel like joining the conversation please help yourself by reading a lil further than doing an CNTRL F of 'cash grab' :rolleyes:

[Sarah K]

Don't deny your ill-informed stance if you don't want it quoted for you?

I dunno.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

i guess i'll just know better than to fuck with Oprah around these parts is the moral of today. Again quick comments are fun but reading is really where you might learn something.

[Sarah K]

I obviously read, if I was able to discern that you thought it was a cash grab. :)

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I obviously read, if I was able to discern that you thought it was a cash grab. http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/images/smilies/smile.png


sorry, hard to believe you when quotes are so thoughtless and fun and CNTRL F is so REALZ.....read this again.



I get that there's a sexist angle to this argument that you guys keep pointing out but I promise you I wasn't coming at it from that view point in this case.

I look at weight watchers commercials, not the program - the ads, as almost a skid row for celebrities looking for a cash grab. when kirsty alley, charles barkley, jason alexander, and jessica simpson pop onto those commercials I think, "washed up celebrity looking for a cash grab."

For that reason I was very surprised and offended that Oprah popped up as the face of this year's, jump on the weight watcher's ad campaign. I think she's more than the other celebrities that have come before based alone on her influence of minority groups that I've professionally worked with.

Oftentimes these people cant afford to get caught up in weight watchers and other diet programs that cost money. There are many government subsidized programs out there that people in these situations need to be taking advantage of - not signing up for the new weight watchers deal because of Oprah. Then they end up sending their kids across the street to get honey buns from the bodega cause they're tight on money and the unhealthy cycle continues. I work in the South Bronx with families and this area has one of the worst rates of obesity amongst minorities in the nation and shit like this doesn't help, period. There are NYC wide programs where these families can get free fresh produce, discounted meats, and free family nutrition seminars but instead they're busy watching Oprah and her weight watchers commercials on TV not knowing any better. The groups I work with fight tirelessly to get this information out to people who are otherwise completely unaware. Like I said before, she's selling false hope in a gimmicky situation to some, not all, people who are actually dying from weight issues by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. If Oprah wants help them she should take action instead of offering memberships and calorie counting.

That's my angle. I get there are many to this argument, but I'm not bringing this up for any reason regarding gender, body image, etc, etc.


it's amazing how conversations and ideas evolve over the course of back and forth comments sometimes :) and quoting one liners can distort all of that.

lemme know when you finish with all the words! since you're in the city i can come read it to you if that helps. i'll be in manhattan and brooklyn on saturday for read alouds ;).

even better when I'm back to work on monday you can come up to the South Bronx and meet some of these impoverished families I work with that are being subjected to the media and Oprahs nonsense. Get off the 2 line North at 149th St and Grand Concourse. Walk toward the projects a few blocks and you'll see my building on the right. You can help me with my call list of parents who need to be contacted about their unpaid student's NYC Healthy lunches because they dont know how to sign up for free meals and spend their money on god knows what instead. That delinquency goes on their credit report and the next thing you know they can't get a bank account and they're buying Rush cards to avoid credit fees and getting swindled by fucking Rev Run. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/10/30/3717811/rushcard-announcement/

Or maybe you can help and contact ACS about the two kids that have been neglected physically and nutritionally while they've been in the homeless shelter for the past two weeks? Then you'll go to court with me in a few months to testify against the single mother and the 40-something-yo grandmother in person? Then you can watch her kids get taken away and put into foster services right in front of her by the court magistrate with me!

Have some awareness of the city you live in my dear. Not everyone lives in gentrified areas of NYC and Brooklyn and frankly everyone in the Bronx looks at that ignorant shit with disgust.



edit: and if by some 0.05% chance you live in the hood please DM me asap, i need that piff. lolz

[Substance242]

"Little things that piss you off"

When interesting topic turns into debate about some woman I hardly heard of... :-)

Also, we need to add BMI to profiles... ;-) (joke)

[TheyCallMeDrug]

after this convo i needed a good joke :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey

[Jinsai]

"Little things that piss you off"

When interesting topic turns into debate about some woman I hardly heard of... :-)

Also, we need to add BMI to profiles... ;-) (joke)

You've hardly heard of Oprah? Dude, I don't even watch TV, mostly avoid it like the plague, but Oprah is an institution.
Maybe it's an American thing.

I'll hang out here on the side lines of the argument, and just say that calling out PC culture is fair to a degree. We've become lunatics. And so sure, it's reasonable to say that we should stop being so hypersensitive... but then just be wary that you don't get taken under the wing by other people bitching about "gosh darn political correctness" who have been holding the fort down since 1972, like their grandpappy before them, and they're so glad all you intrepid young folks are joining the "fold."

It's easy to miss, but the whole "PC" thing as a term started as an excuse to be a shitty person. If you get into the roots of the initialism, it's "people won't let me tell racist/sexist jokes anymore and they're totally bumming me out!" It's been creatively expanded since people forgot about the shitty initial usage, and it's come full circle to the point now where even reasonable people are complaining about PC values.

It's ok to be "politically correct" if that means not hating women and minorities, and feeling that women should be paid the same as men, and feel that some minorities shouldn't be statistically more likely to wind up in prison than white people. Not only is there nothing "wrong" with gay people, a homosexual couple is potentially deserving of just as much respect as any straight couple could be. If that gay couple turns out to be a couple of horrible people, which is totally possible, go ahead and tell them to go fuck themselves... for the reasons that apply to them being horrible people. Like everyone else. If someone is awful, tell them they're awful in a way that illustrates why they're awful.

It's ok to call out institutionalized racism, sexism, homophobia, and profiling.

But that's not really being "politically correct," it's being sensible, and not an asshole. You don't have to save the fucking world, and if you try you're going to fail. Things will be fucked, but just be real and respect people. The reason doing that was originally labeled "politically correct" is become someone was such an asshole that they couldn't fathom why someone would do that if they didn't have some ulterior (totally political) motive... and the sad truth is that a lot of people now are grandly gesturing how "PC" they are to make themselves feel better... which pretty much makes them full-circle assholes.

Just be real and try to treat people well if they haven't given you a reason to do otherwise is a good rule

[allegro]

For that reason I was very surprised and offended that Oprah popped up as the face of this year's, jump on the weight watcher's ad campaign. I think she's more than the other celebrities that have come before based alone on her influence of minority groups that I've professionally worked with.

Oftentimes these people cant afford to get caught up in weight watchers and other diet programs that cost money. There are many government subsidized programs out there that people in these situations need to be taking advantage of - not signing up for the new weight watchers deal because of Oprah. Then they end up sending their kids across the street to get honey buns from the bodega cause they're tight on money and the unhealthy cycle continues. I work in the South Bronx with families and this area has one of the worst rates of obesity amongst minorities in the nation and shit like this doesn't help, period. There are NYC wide programs where these families can get free fresh produce, discounted meats, and free family nutrition seminars but instead they're busy watching Oprah and her weight watchers commercials on TV not knowing any better. The groups I work with fight tirelessly to get this information out to people who are otherwise completely unaware. Like I said before, she's selling false hope in a gimmicky situation to some, not all, people who are actually dying from weight issues by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. If Oprah wants help them she should take action instead of offering memberships and calorie counting.
Let's clear up some misconceptions, here:

Oprah didn't actually RECEIVE any money just to do that ad; SEE THIS (http://time.com/4079102/oprah-weight-watchers-profit/).


Winfrey purchased a 10% stake in the weight-loss company, buying 6.4 million shares for $43 million—along with options to buy an additional 3.5 million shares at the same price, of $6.79, the Wall Street Journal reports.

After her vote of confidence, investors scrambled to get in on the action Monday, and the price doubled to $13.92 at closing. That means, on paper anyway, Oprah just made about $75 million in one day.

See also this (http://www.eonline.com/news/709479/oprah-winfrey-on-why-she-kept-her-weight-watchers-investment-secret-i-wanted-to-play-the-stay-out-of-jail-card):

When Winfrey appeared on The Ellen DeGeneres Show Friday, she explained how the deal was made and joked about why she didn't clue Ellen DeGeneres before telling the world about her partnership. "Weight Watchers called me in like mid-July," she said. "We had our first meeting in August and they said, 'We would like you to come onboard our program and do what you do: self-empowerment, self-enrichment. We think that you can bring another level to us for Weight Watchers.' I said, 'I can't do it unless I actually go with the program. First of all, I've never endorsed anything. I've never been a spokesperson for anybody. So, I will have to do the program myself to see if I actually like those points, because I've been resistant to points.'"

Winfrey explained that in the early '70s she never went to a Weight Watchers meeting, but added that she "might have signed up" for the program and not followed through with it. Back then, she recalled being opposed to the company's point system. But in July, Winfrey said, "'Let me try it and see if I like it.' As of today, since Aug. 12, I have lost 15 pounds. But I am excited about Weight Watchers being able to bring a healthier more holistic approach for everybody."

Also, your perception of Oprah demographics are totally off (https://www.quantcast.com/oprah.com#crossPlatformCard):

http://i.imgur.com/1YAWH1p.png

Further, I think you have a total misunderstanding about the cost of WW and how it works (https://www.weightwatchers.com/us/plans). People who live in that ghetto (who are the smallest portion of Oprah's demographics) can absolutely use the WW "points" system to get healthy and lose weight. Vegetables and fruits are ZERO points in the WW system, but that honeybun will put them way over their daily point limit. You don't BUY any food via Weight Watchers. Sure, you see those WW frozen meals in the frozen section, but those were added as a convenience line in relatively recent history to compete with Lean Cuisine and Healthy Choice. WW's main focus is point-counting (vs. calorie-counting, points are based on calories) using your own foods and recipes, and weekly meetings which includes weigh-ins. MOST Americans have ZERO knowledge of nutrition and caloric value of food and just how many calories they are eating every day; WW helps them learn that information, and many people continue using the WW points system (which for many is more useful than counting calories) and use it long after quitting WW. They also use the WW weekly meetings to help them get strength and support when their families are not on board their new eating plans and habits. There are rip-off point-counting apps for both iPhone and Android once you quit WW. (Personally, I still prefer calorie-and-nutrient counting and like connecting to my FitBit so I use MyFitnessPal.) But, at any rate, that demographic is NOT the target demographic of Oprah or WW. At all. Not by a longshot.

If a celeb didn't actually USE Weight Watchers and simply got a check to promote it, I'd say that's a "cash grab." But losing a bunch of weight is no easy feat for these people. And the celebs who have used WW to lose this weight are actually big WW fans and some have OFFERED to endorse WW. Jessica Simpson, for instance, continues to use WW and exercise even though she is no longer a spokesperson. These people didn't get on TV in a WW commercial just for the cash; they actually USED the program and successfully lost weight and continue to use the program, which is not just a simple paycheck. That's like saying that your weekly paycheck is just a "cash grab" and that you didn't earn any of that money. You're being unfairly judgmental.

[Sarah K]

Ayyyyy, guy attempting to be a cunt, let me know if you know of any jobs like that in BK, that would be amazing, and actually where my heart lies. Haha. I just haven't found something in the field that would pay me what I need to live since moving out this way.

I'd do anything social work related, but I don't have a degree. When I was in the midwest, I worked with people who had mental illness, helping them to establish goals so that they could eventually live independent lives. I was a supervisor there, but places out here still want a college degree, regardless of that.

LET ME KNOW.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

Ayyyyy, guy attempting to be a cunt, let me know if you know of any jobs like that in BK, that would be amazing, and actually where my heart lies. Haha. I just haven't found something in the field that would pay me what I need to live since moving out this way.

I'd do anything social work related, but I don't have a degree. When I was in the midwest, I worked with people who had mental illness, helping them to establish goals so that they could eventually live independent lives. I was a supervisor there, but places out here still want a college degree, regardless of that.

LET ME KNOW.

thats the problem. NYC doesn't need midwest transplants like you in the city looking for work or to 'do good' and you're actually part of the problem. you know nothing of the area and it's history and your presence financially pushes low income families from areas they once lived into industrial areas that families shouldn't be living in.

people who came here like you are a dime a dozen and are contributing to the gentrification of upper NYC and areas all over BK. best thing you can do for these people is to go home.

or pick up a paper and try to look for a job. i heard that works as well. but im not sure how you expect to get a job in that field anywhere in NYC without a degree. people devote their lives to being social workers, teachers, and community outreach. They do so by spending years and lots of money to go to college and get undergrad and masters degrees and unpaid internships. not by sitting around hoping things fall into place and someone helps them get a job. You seem to be painfully unaware of the reality of your situation.


edit: and i like the word cunt too. cunty cunty cunt...has a nice ring to it. but we gotta watch out or else they might think we're being sexist :rolleyes:.

[allegro]

you know nothing of the area and it's history
You mean "its."

"It's" is a contraction of "it" and "is."

You're welcome.

By the way, the Midwest includes Chicago and Detroit.

Are you actually blaming outsiders for the gentrification of NYC and its boroughs? Okay, that's just a load of crap. Having been in Manhattan in the 70s when it was a fucking SEWER, with junkies and hookers at the Port Authority and in Times Square and all over the fucking place, what "gentrified" everything was MONEY. The same thing happened here in Chicago. People started earning WAY MORE MONEY. People FROM CHICAGO, not some fucking FOREIGNERS from other lands, but people who got degrees and management jobs and 2.5 kids and suddenly real estate in Lincoln Park that used to be a ghetto was worth $2.5 million, because some astute real estate developers bought up the land and VOILA! And Bucktown / Wicker Park, where you could find winos lying on the sidewalk on any given day, and was full of cool art galleries and stuff, was suddenly hip and featured on MTV's Real World, and then the artists had to go find somewhere else to live. And Boys Town with the cool gay bars and restaurants suddenly became hip to young married people with kids who then bitched that the gay bar music was too loud and they started kicking out the gay bars and restaurants and the Boys had to move to Andersonville. But these new residents came from HERE, in ILLINOIS, from the CHICAGO AREA.

The people who chase out the poor aren't equally poor people like Sarah who can barely make it from week-to-week; it's REALLY REALLY RICH DEVELOPERS who buy up the properties and convert them into high-income properties.

[Sarah K]

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you because you're mad that you got called out on something very silly. You can make assumptions about me, my intentions, and all of that. You're just going to end up looking even more silly in the end.

*Kanye shrug*

[tony.parente]

Holy shit today I learned Oprah is quite the conversation starter on ETS.

[Sarah K]

And I honestly couldn't give a fuck about Oprah one way or the other. Lololol... I just thought that repeated comment was funny. :D

[tony.parente]

And I honestly couldn't give a fuck about Oprah one way or the other. Lololol... I just thought that repeated comment was funny. :D

Black + woman + fluctuating weight = fucking minefield topic to discuss lmao

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you because you're mad that you got called out on something very silly. You can make assumptions about me, my intentions, and all of that. You're just going to end up looking even more silly in the end.

*Kanye shrug*

im not mad, thanks for the concern though. im not making any assumptions about you other than what you've told me. you live in NYC, moved here from the midwest, are a female and don't seem to be doing very well out here. that's about it.

back to the conversation though, i still don't think you understand the argument, or really care to based on your last comment, but thats ok. if you feel like connecting the dots by going back and rereading the posts lemme know.


You mean "its."

"It's" is a contraction of "it" and "is."

You're welcome.


and here comes the grammar police. you guys are getting desperate lol.

[allegro]

and here comes the grammar police. you guys are getting desperate lol.
I'm an English Lit major, I can't help it. :p

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I'm an English Lit major, I can't help it. :p

it makes you look pretty petty in a legit conversation :rolleyes:

EDIT: AND GUESS WHO'S STUPID FACE I JUST SAW AGAIN ON TV LOLOLOLOL. alright, I'm done.

[allegro]

it makes you look pretty petty in a legit conversation :rolleyes:

THIS is a "legit conversation?" HAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

I have quoted statistical demographics, info, sites up the wazoo, I do legal research for a living, but this is a waste of time.

I'm off to do my real job.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

THIS is a "legit conversation?" HAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

I have quoted statistical demographics, info, sites up the wazoo, I do legal research for a living, but this is a waste of time.

I'm off to do my real job.

yep you worked really hard not to see the other side of the argument and i commend your efforts LOL. and when all else fails belittle the conversation and go be the grammar police. it's certainly a tried an true message board tactic. anyways have a nice day at work!

[allegro]

yep you worked really hard not to see the other side of the argument and i commend your efforts LOL. and when all else fails belittle the conversation and go be the grammar police. it's certainly a tried an true message board tactic. anyways have a nice day at work!

I actually tried being nice to you when others weren't, dude. And the grammar comment was tongue-in-cheek sarcasm but you're overly sensitive, this board is full of sarcasm. I've been here since Jan of 2004, trust me. I did try seeing your side of the argument, but it was a ridiculous premise based on assumed (and faulty) demographics, that potentially insulted the overweight people on this board so that's why I called out the argument in the first place. When you clarified that you weren't against WW, itself, but instead were against Oprah, you then backpedaled a few times and didn't really even seem to be able to clearly pinpoint why you were against Oprah, since you then pointed at a few other celebs and their weight-loss program ads, so now we're back to a problem with celebs who make money from weight-loss ads, even thought these celebs actually did the work and lost weight on the program, rather than just doing an ad and putting their hand out for a check, so I'm still not really "getting" your argument, although I seriously tried. You cited the ghetto demographic because (assumedly) you work there and you erroneously assumed that was Oprah's demographic when it isn't; you compared Oprah to the Lotto when that's 100% faulty logic; you just seem to be pissed at advertising, or specific types of advertising, and think the "Things the Piss You Off" thread is a free-for-all when it kinda isn't?

And I don't think any of us are necessarily defending Oprah, since I'm sure that Oprah doesn't need defending. But there are lots of TV ads that are annoying, for sure, and since this is the ONLY TV ad that Oprah has ever done in her history that promotes a product, it seemed very odd for you to suddenly jump on her shit.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I actually tried being nice to you when others weren't, dude. And the grammar comment was tongue-in-cheek sarcasm but you're overly sensitive, this board is full of sarcasm. I've been here since Jan of 2004, trust me. I did try seeing your side of the argument, but it was a ridiculous premise based on assumed (and faulty) demographics, that potentially insulted the overweight people on this board so that's why I called out the argument in the first place. When you clarified that you weren't against WW, itself, but instead were against Oprah, you then backpedaled a few times and didn't really even seem to be able to clearly pinpoint why you were against Oprah, since you then pointed at a few other celebs and their weight-loss program ads, so now we're back to a problem with celebs who make money from weight-loss ads, even thought these celebs actually did the work and lost weight on the program, rather than just doing an ad and putting their hand out for a check, so I'm still not really "getting" your argument, although I seriously tried. You cited the ghetto demographic because (assumedly) you work there and you erroneously assumed that was Oprah's demographic when it isn't; you compared Oprah to the Lotto when that's 100% faulty logic; you just seem to be pissed at advertising, or specific types of advertising, and think the "Things the Piss You Off" thread is a free-for-all when it kinda isn't?

i think you're actually overly sensitive about the weight issue and that's where the problem has been from since the start. i'm not fat bashing people here and your overly PC view makes it hard for you to see that.

there was no insult implied towards anyone but an over exposed celebrity that I'm sure can handle the insult. but you've been personally insulted since the get. it was an off the cuff remark about one of your heroes apparently and you took offense. maybe you should let people be pissed off in the things that piss you off thread and unless they're specifically calling you or being egregiously insulting keep your ego to yourself and move along? the world doesn't need your PC take on everyone's opinions.

edit: and being nice to me? lol im not here looking for friends. i don't have the play ground mentality where we all have to get along and the world is a happy place.

[Jinsai]

I don't know... it's always been a pet-peeve of mine. I was an English Lit major too, so I'm down with the grammar complaint... even though I constantly abuse ellipses in casual forum-speak. Something about people mixing up "you're" and "your" has always driven me crazy. I could handle the "its" vs "it's" thing. For some reason, that seemed like a more reasonable mistake to make. Maybe I just despair that the advent of auto-correct is giving birth to a whole new generation of kids who will think they're empowered by a device that miscorrects their grammar and saves them from learning to spell things properly.

I think things like this, and in my head I envision of a swarm of smirking brats riding around on those stupid "hover board" things while they drool into their smartphones and mutter to each other in text-lingo. "I know... I totes LOL'd so much... OMG." The first time I heard a kid actually voice the word "PWN" I discovered a new and special form of unresolvable misery flood into my world.

Oh well. Anyway, I don't give that much of a cream-puff fuck about Oprah. At least she encourages people to read books.

[allegro]

i think you're actually overly sensitive about the weight issue and that's where the problem has been from since the start. i'm not fat bashing people here and you're overly PC view makes it hard for you to see that.

there was no insult implied but you've been insulted since the get. it was an off the cuff remark about one of your hero's apparently and you took offense. maybe you should let people be pissed off in the things that piss you off thread and unless they're specifically calling you or being egregiously insulting keep your ego to yourself and move along? the world doesn't need your PC take on everyone's opinions.[
I'm sensitive to things that might offend people in this community, yes, because that is the Policy of this Board. We have learned that this is the best way to keep the peace around here, to be sensitive to each other. I assume you weren't here in the old days, when it WASN'T that way, and it was positively fucking EVIL around here. And we had deliberately-hurt feelings all the time, and people being so fucking mean it was like a sport.

And then the new board was re-booted and that type of activity was banned and most of us said good riddance.

I've never been personally insulted by anything you've said (except for maybe my intelligence). But I debate for a living, I am in law after all.

I am on Instagram and follow Michelle Obama. And one time, against my own personal policy and better judgment, I looked at the comments section when she met with Prince Harry when he went to the White House. And the comments shocked me to the core:

"Oh my god, don't let HER touch him!"

"She looks like a fucking monkey"

"I can't believe we have HER as a First Lady, we are ashamed of her Harry."

"She is shameful, I can't believe she is our first lady"

etc etc etc.

The anonymity of the Internet allows people to blurt things like this, but I don't understand the feelings behind them. Why do people feel this way? What prompts this hatred and disdain? Rhetorical question, since it's obvious racism plus a lot of other things.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I'm sensitive to things that might offend people in this community, yes, because that is the Policy of this Board. We have learned that this is the best way to keep the peace around here, to be sensitive to each other. I assume you weren't here in the old days, when it WASN'T that way, and it was positively fucking EVIL around here. And we had deliberately-hurt feelings all the time, and people being so fucking mean it was like a sport.

And then the new board was re-booted and that type of activity was banned and most of us said good riddance.

I've never been personally insulted by anything you've said (except for maybe my intelligence). But I debate for a living, I am in law after all.

fair enough but we have admins here for a reason and I'd say let's let them do the job of policing the topics and deciding whats ultimately inappropriate for the board. i appreciate your heads up on the not calling out people specifically at the start but beyond that I think my topic has been stated tactfully enough to stand.

I've been here since 2005 and yes, I've seen some of the dark days of ETS.

[allegro]

I don't know... it's always been a pet-peeve of mine. I was an English Lit major too, so I'm down with the grammar complaint... even though I constantly abuse ellipses in casual forum-speak. Something about people mixing up "you're" and "your" has always driven me crazy. I could handle the "its" vs "it's" thing. For some reason, that seemed like a more reasonable mistake to make.
"Their" "they're" and "there" makes me nuts.

I think that grammar police are a legitimate service to society.

[Jinsai]

"Their" "they're" and "there" makes me nuts.

I think that grammar police are a legitimate service to society.

That's just the worst. Still, there's some kind of weird high I get when people type things like "their is no way your this stupid" into the internets. It's like watching someone pull off a really impressive magic trick. You just have to clap your hands, smile, and wonder how the hell that was accomplished.

[Archive_Reports]

My watch battery is dead and I've only just realized it.

(I spelled everything right, my punctuation is fine, and I haven't bashed any celebrities. Please don't yell at me.)

[allegro]

That's just the worst. Still, there's some kind of weird high I get when people type things like "their is no way your this stupid" into the internets. It's like watching someone pull off a really impressive magic trick. You just have to clap your hands, smile, and wonder how the hell that was accomplished.

HAAAAAA HA HA HA.

Ugh.

[allegro]

The first time I heard a kid actually voice the word "PWN" I discovered a new and special form of unresolvable misery flood into my world.

I actually did a 400-level "History and Structure of English" essay where we had to choose a word for inclusion in the Oxford English Dictionary and then use supporting documentation for its inclusion; of course, for Oxford, the word has to be in the lexicon not only in written form but in spoken form, but you have to provide proof of its use in written form, e.g. magazine or newspaper articles, and my word?

PWN

[Jinsai]

I actually did a 400-level "History and Structure of English" essay where we had to choose a word for inclusion in the Oxford English Dictionary and then use supporting documentation for its inclusion; of course, for Oxford, the word has to be in the lexicon not only in written form but in spoken form, but you have to provide proof of its use in written form, e.g. magazine or newspaper articles, and my word?

PWN

http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_main_wide_image/public/images/306529.jpg?itok=weig_8se

[allegro]

Hey, Jinsai, I got an A! I made a really good argument, including several citations of spoken examples! (Okay, most of them were from South Park but they counted.)

IT'S A SCRABBLE WORD!!! (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/21/408508565/go-forth-and-pwn-for-shizzle-say-scrabble-word-list-s-guardians)

It is at least in the Oxford Dictionary (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/pwn) but not the official OED (http://www.oed.com/).

I wish I was enrolled in school again just so I had a OED login (and JStor and all that, ugh, sigh).

[allegro]

That delinquency goes on their credit report and the next thing you know they can't get a bank account
You know, I just wanted to point out to you that bad credit doesn't matter when it comes to bank accounts. You can be dead and open a new bank account (this happens a lot in Estate Planning law, except someone opens a bank account on behalf of your Trust). The bank just wants your money. Low-income minorities notoriously avoid bank accounts (http://www.blackenterprise.com/small-business/fdic-black-households-don%E2%80%99t-use-banks-regularly/). I worked in a law office with a few Personal Injury attorneys in the office for about 13 years and they had a ton of minority clients from Chicago's south side who did all of their financial transactions via money orders and "Currency Exchanges" where you can pay all of your utility bills and buy your license plate tabs, etc., via money orders and cash. When they received a settlement for a lawsuit, they cashed their check at the Currency Exchange (who charge a hefty fee). The only problem started arising when the Government started demanding that assistance be provided via direct deposit instead of US Post Office checks because they were often stolen in transit. Minorities seem to be afraid of banking institutions because their money can be tracked, etc., where cash can't, and banks have monthly minimum fees, etc. But these "Title Loans" are really common in these low income areas and have interest rates of over 300% and I'm really surprised that they aren't illegal due to usury laws.

[playwithfire]

I got a whopping 10 days off from work over the holidays after being hugely burnt out.

Proceeded to spend most of them with a bad cold. :(

[Baphomette]

You know, I just wanted to point out to you that bad credit doesn't matter when it comes to bank accounts. Au contraire, mon amie. I know this from personal experience.

[allegro]

Au contraire, mon amie. I know this from personal experience.

That's not usually solely from what he mentioned; it's usually due to a history of writing bad or bounced checks or have unpaid bank fees or files in collections, not simply low FICO scores due to other factors (also known as bad credit). See this (http://www.mybanktracker.com/news/2010/08/30/account-denied-chexsystems-report/). And this (http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/checking/second-chance-checking/). I've had clients who filed Bankruptcy months ago open checking accounts. If you get denied, try a smaller local bank and follow the advice in that link if you have some bounced checks in your history. Missing some payments for their kid's lunch program, like he mentioned, isn't likely to totally tank somebody's FICO or ChexSystems to that level. But, that demographic isn't likely to have a bank account, anyway.

[Baphomette]

it's usually due to a history of writing bad or bounced checks or have unpaid bank fees or files in collectionsGiven my horrible math skills, I'm pretty impressed with the fact that I've never bounced a check. But, on the flip side, I've probably paid for someone's vacation house with all the overdraft fees I've accrued. And I was turned away from three banks because of a defaulted student loan (which I was in the process of paying off). So, I take back the au contraire. :P

[allegro]

Given my horrible math skills, I'm pretty impressed with the fact that I've never bounced a check. But, on the flip side, I've probably paid for someone's vacation house with all the overdraft fees I've accrued. And I was turned away from three banks because of a defaulted student loan (which I was in the process of paying off). Got used to not having one so haven't bothered to try again. In all honesty, I don't really need one. However, I know most do.

"Overdraft" is same as "bounce" -- basically means "insuffucient funds." Yeah, a lot of those plus the defaulted student loan (which even a Bankruptcy can't make go away) goes on the ChexSystem report (and screws up your FICO), but it's still fixable if you were ever in a financial position to change it. Sucks, though. If you ever need an account, I have found Credit Unions to be pretty good. Sure, they may not have as many ATMs or fancy online tools, but they are often way cheaper than standard banks (and G and I have gotten really cheap car loan interest rates thru the Credit Union).

[Bachy]

Goddammit, Google:

http://i.imgur.com/1O8WxIb.jpg

[kel]

that part on elf where buddy is down in the empire state mailroom and that old dude says he's 26 years old.

wtf.

[Swykk]

Carlos Condit, my favorite fighter, just got royally fucked over by a couple of shitty judges at UFC 195. I don't know what fucking fight these turd babies were watching but you probably shouldn't score a fight for a guy who was getting out struck 4 to 1.

[ldopa]

You know, I just wanted to point out to you that bad credit doesn't matter when it comes to bank accounts. You can be dead and open a new bank account (this happens a lot in Estate Planning law, except someone opens a bank account on behalf of your Trust). The bank just wants your money. Low-income minorities notoriously avoid bank accounts (http://www.blackenterprise.com/small-business/fdic-black-households-don%E2%80%99t-use-banks-regularly/). I worked in a law office with a few Personal Injury attorneys in the office for about 13 years and they had a ton of minority clients from Chicago's south side who did all of their financial transactions via money orders and "Currency Exchanges" where you can pay all of your utility bills and buy your license plate tabs, etc., via money orders and cash. When they received a settlement for a lawsuit, they cashed their check at the Currency Exchange (who charge a hefty fee). The only problem started arising when the Government started demanding that assistance be provided via direct deposit instead of US Post Office checks because they were often stolen in transit. Minorities seem to be afraid of banking institutions because their money can be tracked, etc., where cash can't, and banks have monthly minimum fees, etc. But these "Title Loans" are really common in these low income areas and have interest rates of over 300% and I'm really surprised that they aren't illegal due to usury laws.

this small paragraph was an education for me. i'm actually terrified of banks, and operate on mostly cash. but isn't NO credit worse than bad credit? that is somewhat of the situation i'm in. GIVE ME FINANCIAL ADVICE :D i save in a safe for the most part. and building credit is part of my "growing up" i mentioned in the new year's thread.

[Rubeninphoenix]

Carlos Condit, my favorite fighter, just got royally fucked over by a couple of shitty judges at UFC 195. I don't know what fucking fight these turd babies were watching but you probably shouldn't score a fight for a guy who was getting out struck 4 to 1.That was a good fight. I thought Larkin was robbed by the judges also.

[allegro]

this small paragraph was an education for me. i'm actually terrified of banks, and operate on mostly cash. but isn't NO credit worse than bad credit? that is somewhat of the situation i'm in. GIVE ME FINANCIAL ADVICE :D i save in a safe for the most part. and building credit is part of my "growing up" i mentioned in the new year's thread.
As far as non-mortgage banking is concerned: no credit is neutral. A regular checking account doesn't do much in establishing credit.

If you are trying to establish credit: You'll first need a checking account, then open a small retail credit card account. Pay on time every month, always.

[elevenism]

i've been working on this track for eight hours straight.

And it just crashed. It's gone, and there's no way to recover it that i can see.

god DAMNIT

[tony.parente]

i've been working on this track for eight hours straight.

And it just crashed. It's gone, and there's no way to recover it that i can see.

god DAMNIT


Ctrl + s every 15 minutes.

[eversonpoe]

Ctrl + s every 15 minutes.

when i'm working on a recording and/or a mix, i literally hit save EVERY SINGLE TIME i make a change. it has just become an involuntary action at this point.

[playwithfire]

I think my body is translating my having a crush into feelings of anxiety and it is highly unnecessary and making me feel pretty shitty while at work. :/

[Swykk]

Been there . Sorry to hear that's happening.

[marodi]

I have a Waltham pocket watch with a silver case that belonged to my paternal grandfather. I would very much like to know how old it is (it's at least 59 years old since Waltman stopped making pocket watches in 1957) but I suspect it's much older than that. I know I have to open it to get the serial number on the movement and I know all the manners of opening pocket watches and yet... I can't open mine.

And I don't want to force it because it's in perfect working order. It's a winding mechanism and I very much like to rewind it from time to time just to hear its tic-toc.

Not being able to open it is very very annoying. And I'm very very very hesitant about having someone else try... which is also pissing me off. Trust issues.

Meh.

[eversonpoe]

I have a Waltham pocket watch with a silver case that belonged to my paternal grandfather. I would very much like to know how old it is (it's at least 59 years old since Waltman stopped making pocket watches in 1957) but I suspect it's much older than that. I know I have to open it to get the serial number on the movement and I know all the manners of opening pocket watches and yet... I can't open mine.

And I don't want to force it because it's in perfect working order. It's a winding mechanism and I very much like to rewind it from time to time just to hear its tic-toc.

Not being able to open it is very very annoying. And I'm very very very hesitant about having someone else try... which is also pissing me off. Trust issues.

Meh.

from my experience dealing with my pocket watch, clock/watch repairmen think they're as cool as most people and love working on them. find a shop near you and take it in. let them know how important it is to you so they understand to treat it with extra care. i'm sure someone will be more than happy to help you out.

[thelastdisciple]

I got a new phone for my birthday, a welcomed upgrade.

Now since I'm on a prepaid plan usually the first order of business is usually to turn off Cellular Data IMMEDIATELY and setup WIFI.

Ugh and this is where i lose my shit, so after i went through my cell account on the computer to upgrade the SIM and IMEI numbers i go and turn the phone on..... I DONT EVEN GET TO SEE THE HOME SCREEN, HAVE NO VISIBLE BUTTONS AND GOOGLE IS ALREADY USING DATA AND DOWNLOADING SHIT THROUGH IT'S SETUP WIZARD.

Fucking $2 per every 1MB that is used, i had $16 left in my account and now i have like $3...and i didn't even have a chance to get to the phone's settings yet.

1 minute is all it took and all of that money is gone.

I'll definitely be calling to see if i can get that money refunded because this is fucking BULLSHIT!

[eversonpoe]

I got a new phone for my birthday, a welcomed upgrade.

Now since I'm on a prepaid plan usually the first order of business is usually to turn off Cellular Data IMMEDIATELY and setup WIFI.

Ugh and this is where i lose my shit, so after i went through my cell account on the computer to upgrade the SIM and IMEI numbers i go and turn the phone on..... I DONT EVEN GET TO SEE THE HOME SCREEN, HAVE NO VISIBLE BUTTONS AND GOOGLE IS ALREADY USING DATA AND DOWNLOADING SHIT THROUGH IT'S SETUP WIZARD.

Fucking $2 per every 1MB that is used, i had $16 left in my account and now i have like $3...and i didn't even have a chance to get to the phone's settings yet.

1 minute is all it took and all of that money is gone.

I'll definitely be calling to see if i can get that money refunded because this is fucking BULLSHIT!

wow, carrier service is much worse in canada, apparently. everyone has problems when they get a new phone but that's just ridiculous. sorry, dude.

[Dra508]

I got a new phone for my birthday, a welcomed upgrade.

Now since I'm on a prepaid plan usually the first order of business is usually to turn off Cellular Data IMMEDIATELY and setup WIFI.

Ugh and this is where i lose my shit, so after i went through my cell account on the computer to upgrade the SIM and IMEI numbers i go and turn the phone on..... I DONT EVEN GET TO SEE THE HOME SCREEN, HAVE NO VISIBLE BUTTONS AND GOOGLE IS ALREADY USING DATA AND DOWNLOADING SHIT THROUGH IT'S SETUP WIZARD.

Fucking $2 per every 1MB that is used, i had $16 left in my account and now i have like $3...and i didn't even have a chance to get to the phone's settings yet.

1 minute is all it took and all of that money is gone.

I'll definitely be calling to see if i can get that money refunded because this is fucking BULLSHIT!out of professional curiosity, who's your provider? Wind? Virgin?

[thelastdisciple]

out of professional curiosity, who's your provider? Wind? Virgin?
Telus Mobility.

Update: Just got off the phone with them, money restored thankfully. Of course i near had a panic attack just dialing the phone number haha I don't typically do well trying to dispute things but it went rather well and the person i spoke with was cool. So thank goodness for that.

Man did that irk me last night though. Glad that's over with.

[Ryan]

Insomnia. Never had insomnia like this before in my life. Just all of a sudden the past 4 or 5 days. Took a second Seroquel just now to try to knock myself the fuck out. Can someone punch me in the face or something?

[sick among the pure]

Long story aside, if an apartment complex you moved out of decides to charge you 2 months extra, after doing exactly as you're told in regards to moving out, thus making you owe them hundreds of dollars instead of them owing you the security deposit you put down, and they threaten to go to a collections agency and don't actually try to help you figure out why you are being charged when you're not supposed to be... is there anything you can actually do other than decide to pay them money you don't have or just ignore collections agencies for like 10 years and have bad credit the rest of your life?
Because, honestly, I'll never be able to save up $900 to have my name changed legally if I have to pay $760 for an extra 2 months rent I don't owe them. I still owe money for the surgery I had this summer, and haven't even started on my student loans yet.

[jessamineny]

Long story aside, if an apartment complex you moved out of decides to charge you 2 months extra, after doing exactly as you're told in regards to moving out, thus making you owe them hundreds of dollars instead of them owing you the security deposit you put down, and they threaten to go to a collections agency and don't actually try to help you figure out why you are being charged when you're not supposed to be... is there anything you can actually do other than decide to pay them money you don't have or just ignore collections agencies for like 10 years and have bad credit the rest of your life?
Because, honestly, I'll never be able to save up $900 to have my name changed legally if I have to pay $760 for an extra 2 months rent I don't owe them. I still owe money for the surgery I had this summer, and haven't even started on my student loans yet.

Ask over at reddit in /r/legaladvice -- they get lots of very similar questions.

They can tell you how many days the landlord has in Penn. to give you a detailed list of everything that is being withheld/charged, and if it matters how you were provided that information.
They'll tell you what happens if the landlord doesn't provide that detailed list.
They'll tell you if Pennsylvania is a state where you can get treble (3X) damages from the landlord if the charges aren't valid and your deposit was withheld incorrectly.
Etc. :)

[Dra508]

Insomnia. Never had insomnia like this before in my life. Just all of a sudden the past 4 or 5 days. Took a second Seroquel just now to try to knock myself the fuck out. Can someone punch me in the face or something?

Stressed? Anxiety? Eat too much late at night?

[tony.parente]

3 degrees outside and my heat doesn't work. Emergency maintenance isn't answering their phone and it's approaching 40 degrees in my apartment. I'm close to burning the cabinets for heat.

[halloween]

It irritates me to no end how my dad will just fall asleep watching tv. Then he wakes up and continues watching tv until he falls asleep again. I wish he's just go to bed already, he's hurting his neck and his legs (he keeps them up on a chair and his knees get stiff) by sleeping this way. I've woken up at three or four in the morning and I can still hear the tv on.

Why why whyyy can't people just say "I'm sleepy and it's time to go to bed"?!?!

[Ryan]

Stressed? Anxiety? Eat too much late at night?

It seems to be better now.

Pissing me off: needing a job.

[Ryan]

3 degrees outside and my heat doesn't work. Emergency maintenance isn't answering their phone and it's approaching 40 degrees in my apartment. I'm close to burning the cabinets for heat.

Do it, son. Burn it. BURN IT ALL!

[tony.parente]

Do it, son. Burn it. BURN IT ALL!
The "emergency maintenance" cunt still hasn't returned my calls/voicemails and all my calls are going straight to voicemail. I had to sleep at the wifes parents house today.

[Dra508]

It seems to be better now.

Pissing me off: needing a job.There's your issue bro

[Swykk]

Explaining or hearing others explaining things to old people. It's like talking to toddlers but you know they should be able to comprehend what they're being told. Now granted, the distrust of information being provided is relatively the same with toddlers and the elderly.

In about 13 years? It'll be more like me saying, "I don't understanding a fucking thing any person between 13-35 is telling me."

That coin will flip sooner than later.

[tony.parente]

Explaining or hearing others explaining things to old people. It's like talking to toddlers but you know they should be able to comprehend what they're being told. Now granted, the distrust of information being provided is relatively the same with toddlers and the elderly.

In about 13 years? It'll be more like me saying, "I don't understanding a fucking thing any person between 13-35 is telling me."

That coin will flip sooner than later.

One of the reasons why I quit my job as an installer for charter cable. We did a LOT of business with "retirement communities". I couldn't tell you how many jobs I went to where they didn't have their box CRT TV on channel 3 and they couldn't watch their cable. And don't get me started on having to hand write detailed 3 pages instructions on how to open email.

1. Move mouse to turn on screen
2. Move arrow over the blue E
3. Click the left button on the mouse twice quickly
4. Move the mouse to the word favorites at the top of the screen
5. Left click that once
6. Move your mouse to the word yahoo!

etc etc

my god

NOOOOOOOOOOPE

[allegro]

Explaining or hearing others explaining things to old people. It's like talking to toddlers but you know they should be able to comprehend what they're being told. Now granted, the distrust of information being provided is relatively the same with toddlers and the elderly.
Ditto this but when I was in college (like, EIGHT YEARS AGO) I had this stupid idea that college students would be computer savvy. HAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA WRONG! WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING MORONS! You know that SNL skit with the computer fix-it guy, where he goes "MOOOOOOOOOVE?" (see below) Yeah, that was me with college students. My dog knows more about computers. We had to do a bunch of "group projects" in various classes, and a few actually said, "Oh, I don't use email." Um ... what? They didn't know how. A few had NEVER BEEN TO THE GROCERY STORE because, you know, the helicopter parents always did it for them. So that marketing class was going to really tank their fucking GPA. Good luck with LIFE, buddy.

Meanwhile, my 77-yr-old Mom still does a mean Excel spreadsheet.

Here's me, Nick Burns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKL6RM8hsY

[orestes]

"oh, i don't use email." um ... What? They didn't know how. A few had never been to the grocery store because, you know, the helicopter parents always did it for them.

whaaaaaaaat.

[icklekitty]

I'm fairly certain this is the wrong thread for this, I can't work out which is the right thread, but I know this is a "tell ETS" thing, so I'm putting it here (sorry mods).


Nutshell: I have a growing feeling that my life was better before I had real-time people in it. I moved back to London in 2007 and started socialising locally around 2010-11. In between, I pretty much just stayed at home and refreshed the Internet. I now have lots of friends and a partner and have done lots of fun things since 2010, but I'm seriously considering getting rid of most of that (including the partner) and going back to the way things were. Most of these people are perfectly nice and we have things in common (some are dicks and I'm getting rid of regardless - I have been trying to put myself first recently), but I'm finding it all rather overwhelming and stressful. I think I was happier and healthier when I was alone.

Disclaimer: I'm not doing that thing where I push people out of my life, become depressed, and spiral out of control. But this is weird, yes?

[ldopa]

being actively social is a huge investment and can be VERY exhausting. especially when your particular interests and hobbies are introverted and don't require another person involved in order for it to come to fruition. at the risk of being too repetitive: loneliness is the longing for the other, and being alone is the presence of one's self. when i fall in the latter, i feel more confident and accomplished. which makes me calmer about approaching social situations and all that comes with them.

so find a good percentage! mine is about 60% alone / intro to 40% social / extro. mind you, my extro only (truly) comes out with the few i feel safe and comfortable with. those people are fucking hard to find. which is half (or more) the battle to begin with.

edit: i'm a very gnarly "small doses" personality to deal with, so i inherently seek others with the same qualities. our hearts are in the right places, and that's what matters.

2 edit: TLDR: it's hella fine and not weird to be a lone wolf, in the times we live in now, it might even be better that way.

be your eccentric ass self no matter what!

[Ryan]

it's hella fine and not weird to be a lone wolf, in the times we live in now, it might even be better that way.

Words of wisdom, Lloyd.

[ldopa]

you get more shit done, that's for sure.

[icklekitty]

To be clear though, I'm talking about getting rid of my friends and ending my relationship, not just toning down how often I go out.

[eversonpoe]

To be clear though, I'm talking about getting rid of my friends and ending my relationship, not just toning down how often I go out.

i think doing all of that at once is potentially a bit extreme. maybe take it one step at a time?

[Timinator]

i think doing all of that at once is potentially a bit extreme. maybe take it one step at a time?I agree with this. I don't see why it should be an extreme all-or-nothing cull.
icklekitty: You said: "I have a growing feeling that my life was better before I had real-time people in it...I'm finding it all rather overwhelming and stressful."

Why do you feel this way?

I've known you online since 2005-ish. But I knew you IRL from 2007-2009. We have eaten and drunk together; we've seen movies together; we have been to each others' houses; we know things about each other. I know that they were NIN-based (or, at least, NIN-initiated) social interactions during those years, but you appeared to be happy during them. If you were faking it, you did a good job. Did you feel as uneasy during that period?

Is it possible that it's just the people, or type, or amount of social interaction you have now that's making you uneasy?

[icklekitty]

Well all of that stuff was before 2010, and I'm talking about the people post-2010. Also you (ETS people) are from an Internet-time, not a real-life time; by that definition it is a type of people yes. ETS people are still fine - perhaps because everything to be told has been told on here in the past 13 years and I find myself posting this here and not on Facebook with all the riff-raff.

[DF118]

Disclaimer: I'm not doing that thing where I push people out of my life, become depressed, and spiral out of control. But this is weird, yes?


Sorry, yes, it's weird, and that might happen. Don't do it. You can always distance yourself from people and situations without burning bridges.

[Timinator]

Well all of that stuff was before 2010, and I'm talking about the people post-2010.

ETS people are still fine.I think you need to figure out why that is.

[allegro]

I dunno, seems like too much soul-searching to me. Sometimes you get to a point in life where mature and you re-assess and you simply say "who the fuck are these people and are they actually valuable in my life, or were they some kind of diversion and just a bad idea?"

You don't actually have to TELL people this stuff ("hey, sorry, I can't get together with you, anymore, you were a bad idea") but you can just be "unavailable" to people and they'll eventually get the hint, since these people might not be "close friends," anyway.

[marodi]

To be clear though, I'm talking about getting rid of my friends and ending my relationship, not just toning down how often I go out.

My soul is screaming DO IT but maybe that's because I'm a misanthropic hermit who don't answer the phone or the knocks on the door. So maybe you should listen to Timinator and allegro. A bit. Just a little bit.

As for what's pissing me off: pretty much everything right now but specifically my left shoulder that I manage to injure somehow.

[Substance242]

Really little thing here... about gaming. Online championship race, Bathurst track, heavy damage = zero contact with nothing or car damaged, ONE HOUR race, practice yesterday, quite powerful car (Lexus IS-F CCS-R '11), no traction controls or any aids. Immersed in game, no mistakes, fuel strategy, watching positions shift with pit stops, two in front of me are fighting so maybe I will gain something, 5 minutes left, focus... one second you are in the car, and one second later you are staring at screen "DISCONNECTED". For fucking fuck! I hate this sudden change, I really needed this little stupid satisfaction tonight! Yes it means nothing compared to real problems, but still, yaaarrrggghhh!

[Dra508]

To be clear though, I'm talking about getting rid of my friends and ending my relationship, not just toning down how often I go out.


i think doing all of that at once is potentially a bit extreme. maybe take it one step at a time?

Yeah, why do you feel the need to push all of it away? When you break up with a partner, often you are breaking up with some of those friends too, but you sound more like you want to go hid in a closet because that made life easier. Not sure if that's going to solve your problems.

[icklekitty]

External pressures, obligations, getting involved with a "scene" I guess. Allegro's thing makes sense in that here I get to do it in my comfort zone and on my own terms. I was diagnosed autistic in 2011 too so I'm not sure if I've self imposed some kind of obligation.


Nonetheless i was was aware that this wasn't a regular way to think so thanks for the very useful perspectives everyone. As always :) I haven't made any moves yet but you'll be in the loop if so.

[DF118]

@icklekitty (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=47), social isolation can be symptomatic of autism (http://www.autism.org.uk/about/communication/social-isolation.aspx) (not suggesting you're naturally anti-social, you weren't in the times we've met :) ).

[allegro]

@icklekitty (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=47), social isolation can be symptomatic of autism (http://www.autism.org.uk/about/communication/social-isolation.aspx) (not suggesting you're naturally anti-social, you weren't in the times we've met :) ).

It can also be a symptom of being an introvert, (SEE THIS (http://introvertspring.com/15-introvert-myths-busted/)) and I'm not sure she's suggesting that she totally blow off all friends, just these useless friends from this more relatively recent "scene" that she fell into that ended up being more obligation and less fun.

[Jinsai]

I just spent an hour and a half designing a business card, paid an extra $30 dollars to make sure they'd reach me in time for NAMM, and when I just checked my receipt, the design was ever so slightly off. It's not the end of the world, but what the hell?

[thelastdisciple]

Right now what's pissing me off is that unless you want to store movies, music and photos on external memory.....the micro SD cards for Android phones are basically USELESS, i realize this is basically how it's always been but god fucking damn it.

My latest phone.. it only has 5GB internal memory with 2.5GB already eaten up by bloatware which leaves me 2.5GB to play around with. I have a 32GB iPod touch as well so i do most of my "apping" on that and i had previously downloaded a game on that which didn't work very well, i found out that my new phone would be compatible and i got to try it for at least a few minutes, there was a world of difference but here's the catch... the specific game takes up 2.5GB OF FUCKING INTERNAL MEMORY! It'd be nice if i could have all of that game data moved to my 32GB sd card but noooooooo why make use of external memory? that makes no sense at all. Shame on me for wanting to actually have space left on my phone in order to receive texts ffs. Ugh, the developers of these things drive me up the fucking wall. So back to square one... even though the game works i still can't play it. What else is new. *flips some tables*

[ldopa]

^ like i tell everyone with phone problems:
get on the freeway and toss it out the window. problem solved.

[playwithfire]

Currently very, very, very burnt out at work. It's okay though, because I also have a bunch of anxiety about my undeniably crappy job performance because I have so much work on my plate that we are hiring another person just to give half of it away to them. *whimpers softly*

[Dra508]

i think doing all of that at once is potentially a bit extreme. maybe take it one step at a time?


Currently very, very, very burnt out at work. It's okay though, because I also have a bunch of anxiety about my undeniably crappy job performance because I have so much work on my plate that we are hiring another person just to give half of it away to them. *whimpers softly*Getting help is a good thing. It should your performance. Think positive.


My piss off, asking a clarifying question on a team conference call and having my boss call me "defensive". Fuck you.

[playwithfire]

Getting help is a good thing. It should your performance. Think positive.

My sarcasm made my sentence confusing. I'm THRILLED we're hiring another person and it actually does give me a pass on how bad I'm doing currently. Everyone knows I'm doing two people's jobs. It's just that in the meantime doing two people's jobs (managing the entire hiring pipeline across 10 open roles and doing all correspondence and scheduling) is making me burn out hard. When the new hire comes on I'll be taking sales and they'll be handling technical roles and I'll actually work just 40 hours a week and not feel guilty about giving candidates a shitty experience. Half of my emails start with "Sorry." it feels like.

[Dra508]

My sarcasm made my sentence confusing. I'm THRILLED we're hiring another person and it actually does give me a pass on how bad I'm doing currently. Everyone knows I'm doing two people's jobs. It's just that in the meantime doing two people's jobs (managing the entire hiring pipeline across 10 open roles and doing all correspondence and scheduling) is making me burn out hard. When the new hire comes on I'll be taking sales and they'll be handling technical roles and I'll actually work just 40 hours a week and not feel guilty about giving candidates a shitty experience. Half of my emails start with "Sorry." it feels like.I know a really great headhunter in your area if you ever need one *




*disclaimer - he's my brother, but he's been doing it forever and knows everybody:P

[playwithfire]

Aww, thanks. We do pretty much everything internally for sourcing short of occasional sales roles (because sales candidates are ridiculous and picky and look for jobs for like 3 days before moving to their next role so we like to up the numbers there but already have a couple of established relationships for that), and we get mostly inbound interest/applications, but <3

[Bluegirl]

The heater/ hot water heater for my apartment died. I haven't had hot water in two days. Luckily my apartment is really well insulated so it has not gotten too cold but last night the pipes froze up for a bit so I had to leave the faucets trickling to keep the pipes from freezing. The first night I was freaking out about the water heater braking and gas filling the apartment and blowing up (even though I already turned the gas to the heater off) then last night I was freaking out about the pipes freezing so I have not really slept well. It is suppose to be replaced today so I will be able to take a real shower instead of heating water on the stove to take a cat bath.

[aggroculture]

When they bring you the appetizer together with the mains.
When they bring you the drinks after the food.
Get it together guys.

[Bluegirl]

The pipe did freeze. My apartment flooded. 15 other apartments were damaged and now I am in a hotel.

[allegro]

The pipe did freeze. My apartment flooded. 15 other apartments were damaged and now I am in a hotel.
OMG that's horrible, I'm so sorry to hear that. What really shitty fucking management, that should have been fixed way before it got to that point. Ugh, that sucks.

[aggroculture]

The silent H in Thomas.

My social anxiety, fear about speaking to people and how I will be perceived by them.

[Lew]

forgetting to add grated nutmeg to mac and cheese. gives my tongue the sads. :'(

[ldopa]

winter is pissing me off. i'm sick of layering up, heavy jackets, dry facial skin, high gas bills, poor ventilation, minor weight gain, everyone talking about el nino hysteria...the only thing i like is that it's not an effort to keep my skin pale.

i know most places have it worse than cali, but i'm not living in those places :D

[playwithfire]

Ugh, winter. New York City, I do this for you because I love you more than any other city in the whole world, but that doesn't mean I like COLD WEATHER AND SNOW. I'm like... going places and doing things in this crap because I don't want to cancel on a friend for a second time this eve. :/

[elevenism]

good gawd y'all, my wife has had a seizure again, unresponsive again, just like last december.
off to the hospital. send us some good vibes.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

hardcore bloody noses in the winter and my dog barking at me with a tissue in my nose because she wants to eat it.

[ldopa]

good gawd y'all, my wife has had a seizure again, unresponsive again, just like last december.
off to the hospital. send us some good vibes.

good vibes like a mother fucker! i hope you guys get through it.

[ldopa]

lol winter problems.
i just got smoke in my right eye, it fucking burns.

[Swykk]

Just when I thought my cold/allergy infection was finished with me, I woke up today sounding like Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

[eversonpoe]

Just when I thought my cold/allergy infection was finished with me, I woke up today sounding like Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

"who the hell is jack-leen oh-nassus?"

i've been sick (sinuses, chest/cough, fever) since thursday night. my band played an hour-long set on friday while i was in this condition (i play drums) and somehow managed to sound pretty good. my fever finally went away this morning, but all my other symptoms remained.

meanwhile, my wife had started having chest/left arm pain on wednesday night, and it persisted through the entire weekend, so she finally (at my urging) went to the ER today. she got there at 11:30am, i got there not too long after. after having an EKG (normal), a chest x-ray (normal), a D-Dimmer blood test ("inconclusive, but slightly elevated") THREE pregnancy tests (first two came back "cloudy", third finally came back negative), TWO FUCKING CAT scans (the first one had too much movement, the second was "inconclusive"), and a doppler ultra-sound on her legs, they finally determined that her issue is either gastro-intestinal (it's not, she has no heartburn symptoms or gas) or anxiety/stress-induced (which is what we kind of thought but we wanted to be sure). we left the hospital at 9:30pm, by which time i felt like my fever had come back.

we're both taking the day off tomorrow to try to recuperate. jesus christ, hospitals are exhausting. thankfully, everyone she/we had to deal with was really nice, and our first nurse, rolando, was even a star trek fan, which was fun. and god damn am i glad we have decent insurance.

[thelastdisciple]

When you had previously activated a game years ago on someone else's (Uplay or Origin) account in the family by mistake causing you to buy another copy. All because product keys are "permanently assigned" and cannot be transferred to another account no matter how much you can prove with receipts and I.D. that you were the one who bought the game and you had permission to use this other person's account at the time.

Yeah yeah "Oh but if that were possible someone could hack an account, pretend they are you and they can just transfer all your games to an account their own". I get it.

They still benefit by getting more money thanks to a person's dumb ass error.

https://media.giphy.com/media/AzdZrT9OGEIyQ/giphy.gif

[Swykk]

"who the hell is jack-leen oh-nassus?"

i've been sick (sinuses, chest/cough, fever) since thursday night. my band played an hour-long set on friday while i was in this condition (i play drums) and somehow managed to sound pretty good. my fever finally went away this morning, but all my other symptoms remained.

meanwhile, my wife had started having chest/left arm pain on wednesday night, and it persisted through the entire weekend, so she finally (at my urging) went to the ER today. she got there at 11:30am, i got there not too long after. after having an EKG (normal), a chest x-ray (normal), a D-Dimmer blood test ("inconclusive, but slightly elevated") THREE pregnancy tests (first two came back "cloudy", third finally came back negative), TWO FUCKING CAT scans (the first one had too much movement, the second was "inconclusive"), and a doppler ultra-sound on her legs, they finally determined that her issue is either gastro-intestinal (it's not, she has no heartburn symptoms or gas) or anxiety/stress-induced (which is what we kind of thought but we wanted to be sure). we left the hospital at 9:30pm, by which time i felt like my fever had come back.

we're both taking the day off tomorrow to try to recuperate. jesus christ, hospitals are exhausting. thankfully, everyone she/we had to deal with was really nice, and our first nurse, rolando, was even a star trek fan, which was fun. and god damn am i glad we have decent insurance.

Honestly sounds like high blood pressure or panic attack. I hope it gets figured out and you and your wife start feeling better soon!

[eversonpoe]

Honestly sounds like high blood pressure or panic attack. I hope it gets figured out and you and your wife start feeling better soon!

her blood pressure was, like, perfect, so it's not that. i think she's so stressed by so many things right now and it's just starting to manifest physically (which is something that used to happen to me constantly, but she's never had it before, so i understand that it can be terrifying).

[aggroculture]

evil day of being sick...at the center of which I vacuumed a big ball of play doh by mistake...and smoke started coming out the vacuum cleaner.

[elevenism]

Well, they took the mrs to the hospital in a helicopter because she was still having partial seizures.
They decided that she was stable, but i kept telling them that she wasn't and would have another grand mal seizure if she wasn't medicated.
They didn't listen to me, and she did have another. Fuckers.

Today she had a 4 hour eeg, where they hook all the wires up to your head and measure your brainwaves.
The good thing is that she isn't seizing anymore now.

We are still waiting on a diagnosis, which i imagine will be epilepsy-that's the bad part, that and the fucking horror of watching someone you love scream and convulse for long periods of time.
I haven't let myself cry yet but it's coming.

[ldopa]

crying helps you let go of the frustration, so let it flow.

(mal means evil)

[Khrz]

crying helps you let go of the frustration, so let it flow.

(mal means evil)

Actually in this context it means "illness", like in "malade" : "ill"
And yeah @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475), as ldopa said, if you need to cry just fucking cry, if only because you'll need to be there when you're needed and that you can't do that if you have bottled it all up inside and can snap at any moment.

[allegro]

mal means evil Khrz is correct; grand mal is French, basically means "great illness." But mal Latin origin is malus, bad or evil.

I know what elevenism means about not crying, sometimes it just doesn't happen because you have to brace yourself and hang in there. Like my dad is dying right now in the ICU and I just stand there, numb, because decisions have to be made, discussions conducted, facts gathered, and I thought I might cry once but I am more pissed than anything. Our health care system is full of bullshit.

I had a 20-yr-old cat who had grand mal seizures until we got her on the correct dosage of phenobarbitol. Was a horrible sight, though, ugh, can't unsee that.

[GibbonBlack]

I'm pretty sure Idopa was just referencing Firefly.

[eversonpoe]

it's ldopa (as in a lowercase L, not an uppercase i). that was pissing me off. :p

i'm still not feeling well today. after taking yesterday off for both my wife and i to recuperate and barely doing anything all day, i still feel like shit, and she's still having pain in her chest/left arm, which is giving her more anxiety on top of the anxiety that's (probably) causing the pain in the first place. :|

@elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) hope she's ok, dude. let yourself cry when it happens. you'll feel better after.

[GibbonBlack]

it's ldopa (as in a lowercase L, not an uppercase i). that was pissing me off. :p

Well, then it should be Ldopa and yours should be Eversonpoe, or EversonPoe, or EverSonPoe or whatever :p

[allegro]

I'm pretty sure Idopa was just referencing Firefly.

Okay yeah I don't know what that even means, I just know her edit note says "Latin."

[eversonpoe]

Well, then it should be Ldopa and yours should be Eversonpoe, or EversonPoe, or EverSonPoe or whatever :p

wait, what? why? a lowercase L and an uppercase I (in some fonts) look identical so it wasn't actually tagging her in posts when people were trying. that's what was pissing me off.

[allegro]

wait, what? why? a lowercase L and an uppercase I (in some fonts) look identical so it wasn't actually tagging her in posts when people were trying. that's what was pissing me off.

I think to tag her, one has to use the @ sign, right? He didn't do that, either.

[Khrz]

I'm pretty sure Idopa was just referencing Firefly.
Okay yeah I don't know what that even means

If that's what she did, I have a whole lotta more respect for her, and a whole lotta less for you ! ;)

[allegro]

If that's what she did, I have a whole lotta more respect for her, and a whole lotta less for you ! ;)
That's good.

[kel]

no matter how strongly i enunciate, sometimes even spell it out, no one ever gets my name right the first time. i get colby, kirby, shelby, kelly, even fucking sheldon. is "kelby" that hard to swallow? jeez.

[elevenism]

damn i'm sorry about your old man @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76)

and that is scary about your wife @eversonpoe (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=588)

we are going home (without a diagnosis-we are supposed to get that at the follow up appointment.)

We DID learn that the "meningitis" she had last year was more likely encephalitis.
i don't know why she gets sick and has health problems all the damn time. i guess some people would call it a weak "constitution."
but she's been ADMITTED to the hospital 3 times in 3 years, while i have been admitted 0 times.

edit: @c0f3d (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=420) - my other half is "Lorien," as in Lady of Lorien or Lothlorien. Lore...ee...en. But everyone (especially in this redneck shithole) calls her Lo-Reen or Lo-Rain, usually no matter how many times they are corrected. When we first met she was like "oh my god, you said my name right!" and i was thinking "ummm yeaahh...wtf? i can read letters."

[allegro]

We DID learn that the "meningitis" she had last year was more likely encephalitis.
holy shit, wow. Although, that totally makes sense.


my other half is "Lorien," as in Lady of Lorien or Lothlorien. Lore...ee...en. But everyone (especially in this redneck shithole) calls her Lo-Reen or Lo-Rain, usually no matter how many times they are corrected. When we first met she was like "oh my god, you said my name right!" and i was thinking "ummm yeaahh...wtf? i can read letters."
One of our friends is from Dallas and she married a guy from Chicago named Ken, and they moved back down to Dallas. And Ken was floored at the number of people who can't fucking seem to pronounce his name down there. He gets mostly KAY-en (one syllable became two), and one guy calls him "captain" because he gave up trying to pronounce KEN. Wtf.

[jessamineny]

I'm so glad you're headed home, elevenism :::hugs:::

For my piss you off... I've gone 10 years since my back surgery without any major problems, but starting yesterday I've had a pretty fair amount of pain and sciatica. Super unhappy about that. :(

[TheyCallMeDrug]

i'll just leave this here...

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66641531.jpg

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[TheyCallMeDrug]

dj khaled says, "Another One."

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e9/e9a5243ada6eb3bd063e94cfa83f1d4d069b20cb442ce39820 a40d99f7c58618.jpg

[ldopa]

wait, what? why? a lowercase L and an uppercase I (in some fonts) look identical so it wasn't actually tagging her in posts when people were trying. that's what was pissing me off.

it goes even deeper than that my friend!
the "L" in L-dopa isn't even an uppercase L per se. it's actually an uppercase "L" that's written slightly smaller, because it's an o-chem shorthand. it actually doesn't technically stand for "LEVO" which is the trade name: levodopa

anyway, in latin "mal" means "evil" and in med terms, latin and greek are gospel.
allegro, did your cat have distemper at all? that's what my very first cat died from. it was very disturbing. also american health care is a bureaucratic fucking nightmare. at the risk of blaspheme, better you than your father to deal with that shit! he's tired.

[allegro]

it goes even deeper than that my friend!
the "L" in L-dopa isn't even an uppercase L per se. it's actually an uppercase "L" that's written slightly smaller, because it's an o-chem shorthand. it actually doesn't technically stand for "LEVO" which is the trade name: levodopa.

anyway, in latin "mal" means "evil" and in med terms, latin and greek are gospel.
allegro, did your cat have distemper at all? that's what my very first cat died from. it was very disturbing. also american health care is a bureaucratic fucking nightmare. at the risk of blaspheme, better you than your father to deal with that shit! he's tired.

No, the cat never went outside, it's likely that she had epilepsy but it never developed until she turned 19, per the vets. The epilepsy was then largely controlled via seizure meds and she lived until she was 21 and we had to put her down due to kidney disease.

My father is so sick, he is not "here," so we must make many (and pretty much all) decisions. G and I are old enough to be your parents and have been through this so many times, with immediate family members, I'm jaded beyond emotion. Which is sad, I guess. So, unlike others, I do not come here seeking advice. I merely said I understood re elevenism; it's hard to cry when you are making all these decisions. Again. I do appreciate your concern, though. Bureaucracy doesn't seem to be the problem so much as "how long can we keep this guy alive and run up the tab when we know he's going to die, anyway?" Which is cynical, the reality is they are trying to help him.

The Latin root you are thinking of is malus (http://latindictionary.wikidot.com/adjective:malus). (My husband took three years of college Latin and I spent a lot of time with him while he was conjugating Latin and reading Ovid in original Latin, egad.)

You would not see "evil" used in medicine, as that (in history) is a moral judgment (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evil) or a religious term. We use modern English today to define Latin from 5th century BC but it's more complicated than that.

You're right in that most medical (or botanical) terms are rooted in Greek (or sometimes in Latin), but in this case it is solely French (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=grand+mal&allowed_in_frame=0). (Of course, French and Spanish are Latin-based languages.)

But those types of seizures are now called Tonic-clonic seizures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic%E2%80%93clonic_seizure).

[halloween]

The 1 dimensional world of good and evil and plot lines and characters in the world of telenovelas in this country. It's painful.

[kel]

people mispronouncing "boise." it's "boy-SEE", not boy-ZEE." jewel (gag) even wrote a song about it.

a small annoyance at best, but it's nearly constant.

[Jinsai]

just got sent a bunch of photos from the tech show I just assisted at, and I just realized that I'm now about 80% on my way to a full bald spot on the top/back of my scalp. It looks ridiculous, like a comb-over. Guess it's time for a change.

Bummer. The thing I liked about long hair was that I never needed to worry about it. I got a hair cut once every two years...

Getting old fucking sucks.

[kel]

same here, jinsai. mine started around 25. i've tried creams, propecia, nothing worked.

[allegro]

Getting old fucking sucks.
Wait 'til you realize you probably only have about 25 years left to live, tops. Yeah, the vanity stuff becomes pretty insignificant.

[Jinsai]

goddamn it... I can't keep going on like this. I'm sick of trying new meds. None of them work, some of them make it worse.