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seasonsinthesky
03-15-2017, 10:37 AM
So you bought this, eversonpoe ? I just saw a photo of it in the FB Coil group and it is indeed the same cover, just pressed on yellow wax.

eversonpoe
03-16-2017, 03:26 AM
So you bought this, @eversonpoe (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=588) ? I just saw a photo of it in the FB Coil group and it is indeed the same cover, just pressed on yellow wax.

ffffffffffffffffuck

someone in here, let me know if you want it. no upcharge whatsoever, i'll sell it to you for what i paid.

eversonpoe
05-15-2017, 11:29 PM
so, i finally own a copy of Time Machines on vinyl. i paid $120 (free shipping from South Africa) which is about the most i was willing to pay for it, and about the cheapest i've seen it. it's in near mint condition all around, and the seller was like the nicest person i've ever dealt with on discogs, so i'm very, very happy. haven't had a chance to listen to it, yet, but i'm excited!

eversonpoe
05-31-2017, 12:13 PM
so, i finally own a copy of Time Machines on vinyl. i paid $120 (free shipping from South Africa) which is about the most i was willing to pay for it, and about the cheapest i've seen it. it's in near mint condition all around, and the seller was like the nicest person i've ever dealt with on discogs, so i'm very, very happy. haven't had a chance to listen to it, yet, but i'm excited!

http://68.media.tumblr.com/a697e4860e8c2cb898da6796fe2ad33e/tumblr_oqtrk2RpKD1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

despite some normal crackles and pops, this sounds fantastic. i am so glad i finally own it.

also - https://thevinylfactory.com/news/optimo-give-coil-rarity-cold-cell-bangkok-first-ever-vinyl-release-charity/


‘A Cold Cell In Bangkok’ is out this September on single-sided 12-inch vinyl with a silk-screened image on the other side designed by Firecracker Recordings boss Lindsay Todd.

All proceeds from sales will be donated to the charity Safe Child Thailand (https://safechildthailand.org/), which “supports children in Thailand irrespective of their nationality, ethnicity or religion.”

vav
09-01-2017, 12:35 PM
Time Machines reissue fully authorized by Drew is up for preorder on Dais. I'm trying to find out of it's remastered and new plates were cut or if it's cut from the originals. Clear wax is already sold out.

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/music/products/time-machines-2xlp

Oh also since i'm signed up now, i'm one of the Coil internet archivists/helpers & i did q/a help for the threshold archives, and the guy that owns that original Side Effects Of Life cassette that i put up on archive.org after transferring it at the studio, ama :P

Leviathant
09-01-2017, 01:00 PM
Clear wax is already sold out.

Sonofa. I had that in my cart this morning but had to go to a meeting. I shouldn't have hesitated, but I also shouldn't be spending any money at all right now. Urrrgghhh.


Oh also since i'm signed up now, i'm one of the Coil internet archivists/helpers & i did q/a help for the threshold archives, and the guy that owns that original Side Effects Of Life cassette that i put up on archive.org after transferring it at the studio, ama :P

Pleasure to have you onboard, and thank you for your work in this arena!

eversonpoe
09-01-2017, 02:27 PM
Time Machines reissue fully authorized by Drew is up for preorder on Dais. I'm trying to find out of it's remastered and new plates were cut or if it's cut from the originals. Clear wax is already sold out.

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/music/products/time-machines-2xlp

Oh also since i'm signed up now, i'm one of the Coil internet archivists/helpers & i did q/a help for the threshold archives, and the guy that owns that original Side Effects Of Life cassette that i put up on archive.org after transferring it at the studio, ama :P

of course, a couple months after i FINALLY buy a copy :/

eversonpoe
09-01-2017, 02:32 PM
https://boomkat.com/products/another-brown-world-baby-food

https://boomkat.com/products/a-cold-cell-in-bangkok-67434210-13c6-4769-817b-299867e9f54c

pre-orders for both of these available. i didn't even know a new single version of another brown world was coming out.

also available on Forced Exposure https://www.forcedexposure.com/Artists/COIL.html

eversonpoe
09-02-2017, 10:10 AM
sorry for the multitude of posts!

i put the original pressing i have of Time Machines up on discogs for exactly what i paid, and it sold in less than 12 hours to someone who is REALLY excited about it. so i made up my loss and i'm happy! especially since the other cheapest copy on discogs is currently going for $750, which is NUTS.

vav
09-02-2017, 01:15 PM
So the Time Machines reissue is indeed remastered, and a brand new cut with "minimal changes."

The Baby Food/Another Brown World 12" on Sub Rosa i don't know the source of, but both tracks were originally released by the same label. It's probably just a cash grab, but it's semi-official i suppose.

The Journey To Avebury 12" is kinda the same thing...it's being released by the same guy that released Porto, so i believe him when he says Sleazy said it was cool way back when, but he's being kinda cagey when asked about the source audio and who's cutting the vinyl.

The Cold Cell In Bangkok 12" is also kinda the same thing as above.

eversonpoe
09-03-2017, 06:03 PM
So the Time Machines reissue is indeed remastered, and a brand new cut with "minimal changes."

The Baby Food/Another Brown World 12" on Sub Rosa i don't know the source of, but both tracks were originally released by the same label. It's probably just a cash grab, but it's semi-official i suppose.

The Journey To Avebury 12" is kinda the same thing...it's being released by the same guy that released Porto, so i believe him when he says Sleazy said it was cool way back when, but he's being kinda cagey when asked about the source audio and who's cutting the vinyl.

The Cold Cell In Bangkok 12" is also kinda the same thing as above.

what is The Journey To Avebury and why can't i find anything about it relating to COIL? it looks like it's the soundtrack to a derek jarman short film but i'm confused :confused:

vav
09-03-2017, 08:29 PM
what is The Journey To Avebury and why can't i find anything about it relating to COIL? it looks like it's the soundtrack to a derek jarman short film but i'm confused :confused:

Journey to Avebury was originally released as part of Song Of The Week on Brainwashed back in the 90's. It was re-released on the Brainwaves compilation in the mid-aughts in a higher resolution version with an extended intro. Now the dude that released Porto is pressing a 12" up.

The track itself is a long ambient piece with bird sounds, ms20 filter bubbles, and digital glitchwaves. It's quite relaxing. At least one of the versions is up on archive.org, or i can send you the track too if you'd like.

Leviathant
09-03-2017, 10:20 PM
I caved and pre-ordered Time Machines in gray. I'm still a little miffed that I had clear in my cart, but went to a meeting and came back to find it sold out.

Someone mentioned that Drew's doing another Time Machines set in New York on the 22nd? I hate to sound like that guy, but why do these things happen when I'm completely strapped for cash?

jmtd
09-04-2017, 04:47 AM
what is The Journey To Avebury and why can't i find anything about it relating to COIL? it looks like it's the soundtrack to a derek jarman short film but i'm confused :confused:

I've watched the short, it's interesting, and Coil did the soundtrack for it.

eversonpoe
09-04-2017, 10:23 AM
Journey to Avebury was originally released as part of Song Of The Week on Brainwashed back in the 90's. It was re-released on the Brainwaves compilation in the mid-aughts in a higher resolution version with an extended intro. Now the dude that released Porto is pressing a 12" up.

The track itself is a long ambient piece with bird sounds, ms20 filter bubbles, and digital glitchwaves. It's quite relaxing. At least one of the versions is up on archive.org, or i can send you the track too if you'd like.

could you point me in the direction of the 12" that's being released because i can't seem to find it, i just keep finding this - https://www.discogs.com/Myrninerest-Journey-To-Avebury/release/3858531

vav
09-04-2017, 11:57 AM
could you point me in the direction of the 12" that's being released because i can't seem to find it, i just keep finding this - https://www.discogs.com/Myrninerest-Journey-To-Avebury/release/3858531

No direct link, but he's selling it in the Coil FB group, so join up there and search for posts by Carlos Manuel

jmtd
09-05-2017, 06:05 AM
I can't decide on colour! It would have been nice to have had colour previews.

jmtd
09-05-2017, 09:23 AM
As I somewhat anticipated, shipping to the UK will double the price, which is a shame. My most-local record store haven't had sight of it on the pre-order lists from their distributors either.

howisya
09-05-2017, 11:21 AM
Oh also since i'm signed up now, i'm one of the Coil internet archivists/helpers & i did q/a help for the threshold archives, and the guy that owns that original Side Effects Of Life cassette that i put up on archive.org after transferring it at the studio, ama :P

thank you very much for archiving this tape and for the history. i just deleted my folder of the demise demos. any interesting comments from wax trax! or danny hyde?

vav
09-05-2017, 06:54 PM
thank you very much for archiving this tape and for the history. i just deleted my folder of the demise demos. any interesting comments from wax trax! or danny hyde?

Danny didn't have too much to say about it, i have vague recollection of him saying this tape was probably made at home and therefore before he was involved in the studio, but i can't find the correspondence. The only other thing Danny said was something along the lines of "It figures you'd be the one to find this." I asked Thrower about it too, he doesn't remember making it.

As for WT!, Julia did a little digging and figured out that this tape was sent to Jim & Danny, and apparently it was liberated from Jim's desk by Frankie Nardiello, aka Groovie Man of Thrill Kill Kult. He then put a bunch of random Greater Than One tracks on Side B. It sat in a box for years until it ended up at Reckless Records on Broadway, where one morning they put it on the website and i randomly happened to look at cassettes that morning (which i hate and do not collect, so i have no idea why i clicked cassettes) see it, and immidiately call not 10 minutes after they put it up. Went down to pick it up and was floored once i realized what it was.

What's weird is that it hadn't been heard of before i unearthed it. Brainwashed didn't mention it, Discogs didn't mention it, zip, nothing. Just kinda one of those weird things. Whitney actually updated Brainwashed to reflect the cassette, but also a mutual friend of Peter's reached out with a list of the entire tape & date archive for me to look over and sure enough it matched one of the tapes. As for the tracks themselves, they're all on one or two DATs, and 2 of the full-fidelity DAT tracks (Fidgit and Carvers & Gilders) made it onto the T-ARCH10 release, aka the Threshold Archives Windowpane.

There are 3 other confirmed copies of this tape, fwiw. One was sent to the owner of Torso records, One was kept in the archive and was auctioned off by Thighpaulsandra about 2 months after i made my tape available, and the other i don't know its lineage of but it's definitely the real deal.

vav
09-06-2017, 11:09 AM
Oh one other thing, so my copy is definitely the source of the Love's Secret Demise mp3 that was floating around the net, but no one will cop to uploading it, Frankie says he didn't do it. So that part's a mystery.

jmtd
09-13-2017, 08:39 AM
Red TM sold out now too. Haven't found a UK seller.

EDIT: does anyone have this episode of Freak Zone w/ Cosey Fanni Tutti downloaded? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08s2qx2

I could trade you the two Coil ones (Stuart_Maconies_Freak_Zone_-_Coil_b06nw9pl Stuart_Maconies_Freakier_Zone_-_John_Doran_uncoils_Coil_b06phdz9)

eversonpoe
09-13-2017, 03:21 PM
more new stuff up for pre-order at forced exposure

2xLP (can't tell if it comes with a DVD) and CD/DVD versions of Plastic Spider Thing, which actually includes a few bits of songs from "still" by NIN mixed in with everything. i remember listening to the "album" back in 2007 in the darkroom at columbia college (i was taking a photo class as a student-at-large) and being like "wait, that sounds like NIN!" i was on a big COIL kick at the time so i basically spent all my time in the darkroom listening to them.

http://forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-with-black-sun-productions-the-plastic-spider-thing-2lp/RBL.063LP.html

http://forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-with-black-sun-productions-the-plastic-spider-thing-cd-dvd/RBL.063CD.html

seasonsinthesky
09-13-2017, 08:34 PM
more new stuff up for pre-order at forced exposure

2xLP (can't tell if it comes with a DVD) and CD/DVD versions of Plastic Spider Thing, which actually includes a few bits of songs from "still" by NIN mixed in with everything. i remember listening to the "album" back in 2007 in the darkroom at columbia college (i was taking a photo class as a student-at-large) and being like "wait, that sounds like NIN!" i was on a big COIL kick at the time so i basically spent all my time in the darkroom listening to them.

http://forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-with-black-sun-productions-the-plastic-spider-thing-2lp/RBL.063LP.html

http://forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-with-black-sun-productions-the-plastic-spider-thing-cd-dvd/RBL.063CD.html

Err, what? Why are Still bits on it?

vav
09-13-2017, 09:39 PM
I don't recall any bits from Still sampled on it, but who knows. I listened to it once and promptly sold it.

eversonpoe
09-13-2017, 11:28 PM
Err, what? Why are Still bits on it?


I don't recall any bits from Still sampled on it, but who knows. I listened to it once and promptly sold it.

from the notes on the discogs listing of the original release -
Thanks to Jhon Balance & Peter Christopherson with additional inspiration from: The Electric Newspaper / SteinbrŁchel / Test Department / Nine Inch Nails.

and from a review on the same page -
Toward the end there are remixes of the Nine Inch Nail songs 'Leaving Hope' and 'Adrift and at Peace'.

i thought i remembered hearing pieces of both of those, and i'm not the only one!

vav, i'm guessing you weren't a big fan of the album?

vav
09-14-2017, 12:52 AM
from the notes on the discogs listing of the original release -

and from a review on the same page -

i thought i remembered hearing pieces of both of those, and i'm not the only one!

vav, i'm guessing you weren't a big fan of the album?

No way, not even at slightly. It's gotta be some of the most trite Coil inspired music i've heard, and i've got a few of the tribute cd's :/

I mailordered it back in the day and got one of the ones with a polaroid of the ritual, which was a snap of someone's arm against a bannister. Having seen the A Well Hung Monk video, gunna guess it was Balance's...but either way honestly i think i put it up for sale the day after i got it.

If anyone wants to see the A Well Hung Monk vid PM me and i'll send you the link & password. 18+ and not for the sensitive types, there's a lot of dong.

howisya
09-19-2017, 09:52 AM
EDIT: does anyone have this episode of Freak Zone w/ Cosey Fanni Tutti downloaded? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08s2qx2

I could trade you the two Coil ones (Stuart_Maconies_Freak_Zone_-_Coil_b06nw9pl Stuart_Maconies_Freakier_Zone_-_John_Doran_uncoils_Coil_b06phdz9)

i'm sorry, i don't, but i love this show! i listen every week to this and the freakier zone (now freak zone playlist). good luck!

maybe you can help me understand something. some of the "trails" refer to downloading shows for offline listening in the app. i believe this is for UK residents only (licence fee payers who subsidize us freeloaders from around the globe). i've often wondered if there is a way to snag the file off of your device for personal archiving rather than disappearing after a month. there are shows, including the first time with, i'd definitely keep if i could, but it seems only a few have dedicated rippers, notably gilles peterson and, when it aired, 6 mix, which i also loved.

jmtd
09-20-2017, 04:56 AM
i'm sorry, i don't, but i love this show! i listen every week to this and the freakier zone (now freak zone playlist). good luck!

Thanks, I found an MP3 copy on a russian website. PM me if you want it (or the other two).


maybe you can help me understand something. some of the "trails" refer to downloading shows for offline listening in the app. i believe this is for UK residents only (licence fee payers who subsidize us freeloaders from around the globe). i've often wondered if there is a way to snag the file off of your device for personal archiving rather than disappearing after a month. there are shows, including the first time with, i'd definitely keep if i could, but it seems only a few have dedicated rippers, notably gilles peterson and, when it aired, 6 mix, which i also loved.

So I don't know if you can skim downloaded shows from the official BBC iPlayer Apps, but there's an amazing unofficial command-line tool called get_iplayer (https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer.git) which makes getting a perfect, permanent copy of TV or radio shows a breeze.

Ive long been thinking of writing a web front end so a group of folks could remote control a get_iplayer recorder and share the results amongst themselves but I never get around to it. By the time I do, it will probably have stopped working (but it has lasted a remarkably long time so far)

jmtd
09-22-2017, 07:53 PM
Found a local store who will do a pre order for time machines!

eversonpoe
09-23-2017, 12:07 PM
http://68.media.tumblr.com/4504625f278dcb7b7f8f8ed5fdeaa6ff/tumblr_owqp47FfBL1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

a cold cell in bangkok 12" 45rpm single with screen-printed side B
hadn't actually heard this remix of the song but it was quite good, and that print looks so cool

jmtd
10-18-2017, 11:17 AM
My Time Machines Vinyl is due on Friday! Assuming the shop I ordered it from have got their shit together.

jmtd
10-24-2017, 10:12 AM
My Time Machines Vinyl is due on Friday! Assuming the shop I ordered it from have got their shit together.

...nope it/they didn't. The order got placed successfully though, so it might one day turn up.

Leviathant
11-04-2017, 01:27 PM
My gray vinyl Time Machines reissue arrived yesterday, and inside was a download code with four 16-bit/44khz wavs. I'm still a little bit bummed about having the clear one in my cart and then having to go to a meeting before I could check out, but I'm not that bummed

jmtd
11-05-2017, 04:41 AM
I got mine too, ended up with black but better than nothing.

jmtd
11-09-2017, 05:00 AM
My gray vinyl Time Machines reissue arrived yesterday, and inside was a download code with four 16-bit/44khz wavs. I'm still a little bit bummed about having the clear one in my cart and then having to go to a meeting before I could check out, but I'm not that bummed

Hey Leviathant, noticed any audio difference in the remaster?

eversonpoe
11-14-2017, 12:48 PM
noticed any audio difference in the remaster?

http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c22c46d024f09bf8b71d5027dd6cb2e/tumblr_ozf4vtS1OM1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

COIL - time machines
dais records 2017 remaster on grey vinyl
listening right now and i'm honestly kind of glad i was able to re-sell the original pressing i had gotten earlier this year because this sounds vastly better (and i love the grey color). i think that's due in part to the remastering (the original sounded a bit thin) and in part to the pressing (this seems to have been done with great care). wish i had gotten the clear, though.

vav
11-23-2017, 05:48 PM
Some guy on eBay is selling a PDF scan of a handwritten letter from John Balance of Coil to Klaus, a German journalist for the ridiculous price of 15 euro. The letter contains the origins of Horse Rotorvator, assorted lyrics, and some fun tidbits such as he and Sleazy selling Gen the name Psychic TV for 2300 pounds which was never paid, or that John felt that Laibach didn't have a sense of humor.
Anyway, i bought one and uploaded it to the Coil facebook group's files so that you don't have to. Happy Thanksgiving.
Share and enjoy, but don't sell it.

edit: i put it up on archive.org too. (https://archive.org/details/JhonnToKlaus)

trollmanen
11-23-2017, 07:32 PM
I ended up buying the black vinyl of Time Machines, as clear would have been the only other color that I wanted and it was sold out. Good pressing, probably didn't need it since I've got the original CD, but it's good mood music. Wish more of Coil's albums were getting official reissues.

eversonpoe
11-25-2017, 10:22 AM
I ended up buying the black vinyl of Time Machines, as clear would have been the only other color that I wanted and it was sold out. Good pressing, probably didn't need it since I've got the original CD, but it's good mood music. Wish more of Coil's albums were getting official reissues.

i mean the remastered audio is worth it, and the music really sits better on vinyl than on CD.

Jon
01-25-2018, 01:27 AM
Is there a full version of the memo included with The Side Effects of Life floating around?

https://i.imgur.com/GqPEdsg.jpg

vav
01-25-2018, 01:57 AM
Is there a full version of the memo included with The Side Effects of Life floating around?

https://i.imgur.com/GqPEdsg.jpg

ive asked him to share it a few times and he refuses.

eversonpoe
04-10-2018, 08:43 AM
https://img.discogs.com/N2ctsdKCT1FcaFaJMcdFZ9HqAj8=/fit-in/600x575/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-11840525-1523279256-8853.jpeg.jpg

COIL - Hidden Hydrology (https://archive.org/details/Hidden_Hydrology)


Hidden Hydrology
COIL's 'Lost Rivers' Studio Sessions 1995-1996

A free fan-sourced EP release.

"COIL's 'Lost Rivers' sessions occured during their London studio time in the winter season of December 1995-February 1996 (for what ultimately became the "A Thousand Lights In A Darkened Room" album). A track from this specific set of recordings appeared on the vinyl-only pressing of that album and another track featured on a psychedelic magazine compilation album. Around this recording time Jhonn Balance received a fax from David Tibet containing evocative passages from the Crackanthorpe 'Vignettes' journal from 1896..."

This EP is the result of a Live Coil Archive website admin receiving a few unreleased takes and DAT master files as FLACS from a COIL fan, all taken from these Black Light District/COIL sessions.

I originally included the DAT Master of the Black Light District version of "London’s Lost Rivers" as the main purpose of this EP, but I removed it as I now believe it'll be part of the forthcoming commercial release of the "A Thousand Lights In A Darkened Room" album remaster. I did abandon this EP project as soon as I knew the remaster of the album was going to be released, but then thought I'd resurrect it anyway, without that one album track. I am unaware that any of these remaining tracks will be featured in the future remaster of that album.

To round-off the collection it also includes, with kind prior permission, a fantastic interpretation of "Lost Rivers of London" by The Psychogeographical Commission, originally released in 2012.

This "Hidden Hydrology" EP includes the following tracks;

1. Lost Rivers of London - Succour Version [DAT Master]
2. Untitled Instrumental #6 - 5 takes from the BLD Sessions 1995-1996
3. London’s Lost Rivers [Take #2 rough vocal track]
4. Lost Rivers of London [Take #1]
5. Crackanthorpe; Sunrise - Vignettes reading by Phil Barrington
6. London’s Lost Rivers [Take #1]
7. The Lost Rivers of London - cover version by The Psychogeographical Commission

Plus;

* An 18-page 'CD booklet' pdf by Barrington Arts with liner notes of the 'Lost Rivers' studio sessions.
* Sleeve art .tif file.

Phil Barrington

eversonpoe
04-16-2018, 08:14 PM
http://thequietus.com/articles/24398-dais-coil-reissues

just bought both on blue vinyl, sadly the clear was already sold out.


Coil Presents Black Light District: A Thousand Lights in a Darkened Room 2xLP / CD PRE-ORDER | Release Date: May 25, 2018 (https://sable.madmimi.com/c/30199?id=418949.1283.1.dc481a10912765af1b474b5fb7b e7f06)


ELpH vs. Coil: Worship the Glitch 2xLP / CD PRE-ORDER | Release Date: May 25, 2018 (https://sable.madmimi.com/c/30199?id=418949.1284.1.13cb62f4495ca262b7bf5e6a0a1 dc419)

Leviathant
04-17-2018, 06:45 PM
I, too, missed the clear vinyl - which went really fucking fast apparently - but I opted for red. I only bought Black Light District though. I appreciate Worship the Glitch for what it is, but I feel like Black Light District is an absolute favorite of mine from the catalog. It seems very, very well suited to being on vinyl. Maybe one day, when I've moved on, someone will discover it in a pile of my things, put it on, and rethink a lot of things after hearing what comes out. It's such a perfect weird record.

Jinsai
04-17-2018, 06:47 PM
holy shit! Vinyl reissue of my favorite COIL album? How did I miss this?!

eversonpoe
04-18-2018, 12:35 AM
holy shit! Vinyl reissue of my favorite COIL album? How did I miss this?!

i only found out last night because i got an e-mail from Dais as i'm on their mailing list! so you didn't miss nothin' (except any of the colored variants that are sold out).

really hoping Dais continues reissuing COIL material on vinyl. if they put as much care into these as they did with Time Machines, i'll be very pleased to have them handle the whole catalog.

poro765
06-12-2018, 05:55 PM
New cd release of How To Destroy Angels!

seasonsinthesky
06-12-2018, 09:28 PM
New cd release of How To Destroy Angels!

The link, which you should have included:
http://www.coldspring.co.uk/csr263cd_promoXL.jpg

eversonpoe
06-13-2018, 12:27 AM
New cd release of How To Destroy Angels!


The link, which you should have included:

CD & VINYL!?!? i'm so glad i never bought an original. hopefully they don't fuck up this pressing like they did with recoiled.

also kind of weird that cold spring keeps doing some older COIL reissues while DAIS is doing later ones.

eversonpoe
06-16-2018, 01:09 PM
FUCK with the black queen pre-order i totally forgot about this!!!

Jon
06-16-2018, 02:54 PM
FUCK with the black queen pre-order i totally forgot about this!!!

The Bandcamp page claims that all vinyl come with a download card. I saw mention of the artcard on Cold Spring, but not the download card:

https://i.imgur.com/EzyI7ad.png

In case that's hard to read: "All orders direct from Cold Spring will receive an exclusive artcard. All vinyl comes with download card."

eversonpoe
11-07-2018, 01:24 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/4adb46e102b12063d4bc246160a6f297/tumblr_phsiq9Fjgj1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e8a6b9329672ad2ccf4d7071f422028c/tumblr_phu5dne3ED1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

you know, the delays pissed me off, but hot damn i am glad they kept making the pressing plant re-do the plates because both of these sound fucking amazing. so quiet and clean, and the color is gorgeous.

vav
12-22-2018, 04:36 PM
So, if you see a CD copy of Love's Secret Demise, don't buy it. It's a bootleg of my tape that i made freely available (https://archive.org/details/CoilTheSideEffectsOfLife) some years ago. They downloaded my files, applied some volume changes/attempted mastering, and are trying to sell it all over. After speaking with many folks, Boomkat, Cold Spring, Storming The Base & Rough Trade have all pulled it, and Discogs has blocked its sale in their marketplace.

Shadaloo
04-29-2019, 09:45 AM
Deleted double post, but so I can put up something of substance, backwards 2015 is fucking amazing and I hope the entire back catalogue eventually gets re-released on vinyl. I could go for years.

Shadaloo
04-29-2019, 09:46 AM
So I'm immersing myself in the world of Coil, gradually going through everything, taking my time with it all, enjoying the ride, unnecessarily buying vinyl (just got Time Machines wheee), and I idly decide to check if there's a Coil reddit and there is and...

...the mixes on Re/Uncoiled aren't old mixes at all, but new ones Danny Hyde whipped up because of interest? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Coil/comments/bepras/coil_swanyard_preorder_nearly_150_minutes_of/)

Apologies if this is old news, I just completely missed the boat on this and...that seems pretty fucking sketch, as enjoyable as it was.

Leviathant
04-29-2019, 11:19 AM
So I'm immersing myself in the world of Coil, gradually going through everything, taking my time with it all, enjoying the ride, unnecessarily buying vinyl (just got Time Machines wheee), and I idly decide to check if there's a Coil reddit and there is and...

...the mixes on Re/Uncoiled aren't old mixes at all, but new ones Danny Hyde whipped up because of interest? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Coil/comments/bepras/coil_swanyard_preorder_nearly_150_minutes_of/)

Apologies if this is old news, I just completely missed the boat on this and...that seems pretty fucking sketch, as enjoyable as it was.

Heh, I don't know if there's more for me to say than I said on that comment. "that seems pretty fucking sketch, as enjoyable as it was" sums it up nicely. Glad we got it, happy to have that stuff on vinyl, and I've even got a poster flat that bootleggers in Brooklyn were selling on eBay, but when Danny posted this video, I got that feeling you get when you find out someone's hasn't been honest with you about a thing. But that feeling was basically negated by "oh shit, he's hitting mute and solo on the multitracks of my favorite style of NIN remixes", and I'm still okay with how everything panned out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77irenJlxs0

Shadaloo
04-29-2019, 01:17 PM
Yes, no complaints as to the quality of the material produced, none. To Danny's great credit he did a spectacular job re-creating the atmosphere and feel of the FDTS remixes. Only what's lost is the mythical status attributed to them - doubtful any of this would have happened but for the assumption they were from the era, of course, but they're no less great for that.

Think I'll follow your lead and hold off on that Swanyard release until more learned and experienced ears than mine have discerned their legitimacy, however. Doing some research, I can see how some out there are hesitant to call some things released post-mortem authentic. This, Thighpaulsandra's new Live Five release, forthcoming issue of The Gay Man's Guide To Safer Sex soundtrack...hard to shake the feeling some out there are basically earning a living off the legacy of the departed, but if I'm going to hope for and support reissues as they emerge, I can't judge, obviously. It's not like I can directly support Jhonn or Sleazy anymore, much as I wish I could, and I guess it's better that people who worked and knew them can benefit if anyone.

Well, this is getting depressing. On a brighter note, it's a very fun, rewarding, and challenging exercise, going through all of these mounds and heaps of material over years and years and finding things to like, gems that really stick with me (because to be honest quite a bit does not and that's to be expected). I look forward to assembling playlists once I've really processed it all. Have to say, I'm absolutely fascinated by their approach to music. A spiritual statement in their own language at times, overtly pagan in nature at others, sometimes drug-fueled, sometimes not, sometimes conventional and other times anything but...it's always refreshing when something new clicks with you, and I think moreso when it's works such as theirs which really feel like there are no boundaries.

Anyway, I'm meandering as a result of no sleep so I'll close by saying "The Green Child" scares the shit of me, thank you, goodnight

eversonpoe
05-13-2019, 06:45 PM
anyone know about this? had no idea until today! (https://www.side-line.com/150-minutes-of-previously-unreleased-coil-recordings-on-swanyard-3lp-vinyl-and-2cd-set/) (there's a free shipping option...hope i didn't make a mistake taking that over the $4.50 media mail...)


150 minutes of previously unreleased Coil recordings on ‘Swanyard’ 3LP vinyl and 2CD set



and also this! (https://stormingthebase.bandcamp.com/merch/coil-the-gay-mans-guide-to-safer-sex-purple-vinyl?campaign=sidelinenews) (which is cheaper at forced exposure (https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-theme-from-the-gay-man-s-guide-to-safer-sex-lp/MPD.018LP.html))


Musique Pour La Danse is proud to present Coil's unreleased soundtrack for the VHS only, pre-internet, sexual education documentary entitled "The Gay Man's Guide To Safer Sex" released in 1992. Members for this project are John Balance, Peter "Sleazy" Christopherson and Danny Hyde.

really hope this stuff isn't just danny hyde milking the ghosts of peter & john...but either way, i'm excited to have more COIL records in my collection.

vav
05-16-2019, 11:27 AM
Swanyard is the Backwards sessions pre-New Orleans and some from New Orleans released by Danny on Infinite Fog.

The second round of Threshold Archives are now available too. https://www.soleilmoon.com/shop/threshold-archives-series-2/ These complete the 16 CD set from 2015. They were manufactured at the same time, however held back for various reasons.

Also coming is a vinyl release of Theme From Gay Man's Guide to Safer Sex, which has Nasa Arab 2, an alternate version of Nasa Arab that was slated for the Threshold Archives released but was accidentally missed.

eversonpoe
05-16-2019, 10:26 PM
Swanyard is the Backwards sessions pre-New Orleans and some from New Orleans released by Danny on Infinite Fog.

The second round of Threshold Archives are now available too. https://www.soleilmoon.com/shop/threshold-archives-series-2/ These complete the 16 CD set from 2015. They were manufactured at the same time, however held back for various reasons.

Also coming is a vinyl release of Theme From Gay Man's Guide to Safer Sex, which has Nasa Arab 2, an alternate version of Nasa Arab that was slated for the Threshold Archives released but was accidentally missed.

would be nice if the 8 CDs actually had tracklists so we'd know what all the additional material was :: shrug ::

vav
05-16-2019, 11:13 PM
I did all that work for you last night on Discogs ;)

eversonpoe
05-16-2019, 11:47 PM
I did all that work for you last night on Discogs ;)

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7qDWp7hxhi1N8oF2/giphy.gif

oh, you're the best! <3 <3 <3

Leviathant
05-17-2019, 01:54 PM
I'd passed on the first set of TARCH discs, not realizing how quickly they'd be withdrawn, but I decided to go in on this set. Even though it doesn't seem to be as heavy on the demo/unreleased end of the spectrum, it's more in line with the era I tend to lean toward with Coil, and the price really is quite reasonable, regardless of who it goes to.

I admit I did wait until a preliminary tracklist was posted on the Coil FB page. (I have so many thoughts about how these releases were done, and those thoughts would have zero bearing on anything, so... whatever.)

Thanks for the discogs update, vav!

katara
05-18-2019, 11:15 AM
I've been interested in this band for years. However, I find their music impenetrable. Despite that, I love their NIN remixes. Do they have any material with a similar feel?

eversonpoe
05-21-2019, 03:31 PM
I've been interested in this band for years. However, I find their music impenetrable. Despite that, I love their NIN remixes. Do they have any material with a similar feel?

yes and no. but i would honestly start with "the ape of naples" & "horse rotorvator" which are two of my favorite coil albums from opposite ends of their discography that have a varied array of the styles they tend to cover.

wizfan
05-21-2019, 05:21 PM
yes and no. but i would honestly start with "the ape of naples" & "horse rotorvator" which are two of my favorite coil albums from opposite ends of their discography that have a varied array of the styles they tend to cover.

These are my fave Coil albums, too!
katara, the "Love's Secret Domain" and "Musick to Play in the Dark" albums are also great for NIN fans; they are reminiscent of their craziest remixes on Further Down the Spiral. And why not try "Backwards" as well, as it was actually recorded at Trent's studio :D

And if you're into drone stuff like Corona Radiata, try "Time Machines". That goddamn album actually hypnotized me once; I was listening to it while printing out a university project and I completely lost track of time.

fillow
05-22-2019, 07:41 AM
I'm just gonna leave here my favorite Coil song ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ0JLobQfvY

Leviathant
05-23-2019, 09:55 PM
I've been interested in this band for years. However, I find their music impenetrable. Despite that, I love their NIN remixes. Do they have any material with a similar feel?

How similar are you looking to get, because when you listen to their track First Dark Ride, you're going to hear a lot of familiar elements! There's a Coil remix of Depeche Mode's Rush that you'd probably enjoy. Maybe one day we'll get that in high fidelity...

The first Coil album I really latched on to was Love's Secret Domain. It's Coil with some pop sensibilities. I later picked up Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil, and would fall asleep to it. (Spoiler alert: It's not exactly sleepytime music, and you may very well find it impenetrable).

Pre-LSD stuff never resonated strongly with me on the whole, but I still love tracks like The First Five Minutes After Death and Blood from the Air.

Musick to Play in the Dark is one of my all-time favorite albums. Incredible sonic setting. Vol 2 is a good conituation, but definitely plays second fiddle to the first MTIPD.

Sometimes when I'm coding or otherwise working for a long period of strong concentration, I'll put on The Remote Viewer. ALL OF IT. ON LOOP. This one may also land in the "impenetrable" pile for you though.

Ape of Naples is an interesting one. You can tell it's something that's been edited, cut, recut, and re-edited, for over a decade. Some of it is the most forward-sounding in ways I like, but a factor that's bugged me since its release is the quality of the vocals - many of which were taken from live multitracks and manipulated. John Balance was very sick as this album was being wrapped, and died a year before its release. It was the first official release of "Backwards" era stuff recorded at Nothing Studios, but it was far removed from the various demos that had been leaked since 1993.

Backwards was finally released via Coldspring records in 2015, and I feel it fits very strongly in the "Nothing Studios" collection of albums. Not that Trent had anything to do with production or performance - but it serves as this nice bridge between Love's Secret Domain and the Musick to Play in the Dark era music. I've wondered what kind of effect it would have had on Coil had it been released in the US - I think it could have been a pivotal moment for electronic music of the time. Some of the material here was released as The New Backwards in 2008, but as different mixes, or just generally very low audio quality. A couple of tracks sound like they were ripped from a camcorder that sat in a room during playback. I thought it was super disappointing, and am very glad that Backwards saw (what I think is) a proper release.

eversonpoe
05-29-2019, 09:19 PM
got my CDs from Soleilmoon! happy to report that the free shipping is fast & safe. sadly, they're all just cardsleeves (was hoping for digipacks for some reason, guess that was an unfounded expectation) but they seem to be manufactured fine. currently importing on to my computer and thankfully the tracklists seem to have been distributed so i don't have to manually enter them haha.

looking forward to sitting down and listening to these since it's been years since i listened to the original releases.

edit: only the first four of the set have their tracklists cataloged (on gracenote). if i have time later i'll do the rest and upload the data...but it's been a long day. -_-

vav
05-29-2019, 11:18 PM
got my CDs from Soleilmoon! happy to report that the free shipping is fast & safe. sadly, they're all just cardsleeves (was hoping for digipacks for some reason, guess that was an unfounded expectation) but they seem to be manufactured fine. currently importing on to my computer and thankfully the tracklists seem to have been distributed so i don't have to manually enter them haha.

looking forward to sitting down and listening to these since it's been years since i listened to the original releases.

edit: only the first four of the set have their tracklists cataloged (on gracenote). if i have time later i'll do the rest and upload the data...but it's been a long day. -_-

Let me know before you do Gracenotes, i'll go over it with you as you go, there's a few minor errors here and there

wizfan
05-30-2019, 04:27 AM
got my CDs from Soleilmoon!

Soleilmoon, huh? This label is still around? Nice! They had released the DVD of the short film Zoetrope by Charlie Deaux, along with a soundtrack CD by Lustmord.

piggy
06-12-2019, 10:25 PM
After years of being casually curious, I'm now finally starting to dip a toe into the world of Coil. So I have a question about Backwards... How does the 2015 CD release compare to the old leaked (New Orleans unmastered and New Orleans alternate) versions? Is it better? How is it different?

Also, out of The Ape of Naples and The New Backwards, which one do you guys prefer?

eversonpoe
06-13-2019, 12:04 AM
After years of being casually curious, I'm now finally starting to dip a toe into the world of Coil. So I have a question about Backwards... How does the 2015 CD release compare to the old leaked (New Orleans unmastered and New Orleans alternate) versions? Is it better? How is it different?

Also, out of The Ape of Naples and The New Backwards, which one do you guys prefer?

in order of preference:

the ape of naples
backwards 2015
the new backwards
leaked demos/etc.

there are lots of little difference between all the variations and some huge differences. it's really just a "listen to everything and decide what you like best" kind of thing.

eversonpoe
07-15-2019, 08:53 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/66cc0300ea2b27c2d6db3960a0731b5a/tumblr_pulh3s1uNO1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

swanyard 3xLP

this is way better than i expected it to be. given the dearth of material we have access to from this era, i was pleasantly surprised by how much of this still felt fresh. it also sounds absolutely fantastic. definitely worth the price.

jmtd
08-02-2019, 03:51 PM
I missed that entirely, like most coil stuff. Do we think that material (heavens blade, ayor etc) is all finally out there now?

barkhammer
08-07-2019, 12:47 AM
Coil - Live Copenhagen 2002 (2019)


01 - I Am Angie Bowie (Sine Waves) 6:59
02 - The Last Rites of Spring 9:51
03 - Are You Shivering? 9:25
04 - Amethyst Deceivers 8:15
05 - A Warning from the Sun 6:34
06 - The Universe Is a Haunted House 9:14
07 - Ostia (The Death of Pasolini) 10:18
08 - I Don't Want to Be the One 6:15
09 - Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down) 3:15
10 - An Unearthly Red 13:27


Mixed in 2019 from the original multitrack recordings, this exclusive free download is available only from Thighpaulsandra.co.uk (https://www.thighpaulsandra.co.uk/store/p199/COIL_LIVE_-_Copenhagen_2002.html).
ďAlthough the set list is very similar to the Gdansk show (with the addition of An Unearthly Red) there are a few interesting aspects to the performance, the most notable being the amount of alcohol John Balance had consumed before we took to the stage. There is also a fairly major equipment failure during Bang Bang which resulted in John finishing the song acappella which, under the circumstances, was no mean feat.ĒĖ Thighpaulsandra

eversonpoe
08-15-2019, 06:27 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/9540e8aaa57043da258877e45aba2b49/tumblr_pwaosd18jj1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

coil • the gay man's guide to safer sex + 2
sounds fantastic, happy to have this in my collection

eversonpoe
08-26-2019, 09:35 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/b1226ede9d0651a7f4e9aa81ca82b7a8/tumblr_pwv19mLaWo1qzcvl5o1_500.jpg

coil / zos kia / marc almond • how to destroy angels

this doesn't have nearly the same impact as just an audio document (it's also kind of impossible for this recording to sound very good). not saying i regret buying it, but i much prefer to watch it from the colour sound oblivion box set, and the two "bonus tracks" aren't really anything special. Į\_(ツ)_/Į

jmtd
10-12-2019, 06:35 AM
Feat Michael York of coil, apparently. Huh? And a world snooker Champion!?

https://theutopiastrong.bandcamp.com/album/the-utopia-strong

eversonpoe
10-16-2019, 09:49 AM
there are two new COIL releases up for preorder on Norman Records! Stolen & Contaminated Songs 2xLP (https://www.normanrecords.com/records/178903-coil-stolen-contaminated-songs) & Scatology Sessions 2xCD (https://www.normanrecords.com/records/178801-coil-scatology-sessions)

just wish a US retailer was stocking them :/ (and that i had money right now)

vav
10-16-2019, 11:27 AM
Fuck both of those releases. S&C is yet another Danny Hyde cash-in and Scatology Sessions is already available from the Live Coil Archives and archive.org.

eversonpoe
10-17-2019, 10:36 AM
Fuck both of those releases. S&C is yet another Danny Hyde cash-in and Scatology Sessions is already available from the Live Coil Archives and archive.org.

ugh, thanks for the warning. at first i thought danny had good intentions with getting some more stuff out there but yeah, he's starting to piss me off. wasn't planning on buying scatology sessions as i don't need a physical CD of it.

what i really want is new vinyl pressings of Musick To Play In The Dark & Love's Secret Domain

jmtd
10-17-2019, 05:15 PM
what i really want is new vinyl pressings of Musick To Play In The Dark & Love's Secret Domain

Amen brother!

wizfan
12-12-2019, 04:00 PM
Our boy Danny strikes back!

http://regenmag.com/news/collection-of-danny-hyde-project-aural-rage-announced-on-infinite-fog/

tricil
01-02-2020, 08:12 PM
2019 was a rather big year for coil fans:

We got two excellent Live Four tour soundboards (in 24-bit!) from Thighpaulsandra.

Threshold Archives vol. 2

And then a mixed bag of issues by Danny Hyde: Gay Manís Guide, Swanyard, Stolen & Contaminated.

Oh, and the The Nine Inch Nails thong was a nice touch.

Jon
01-02-2020, 10:50 PM
And then a mixed bag of issues by Danny Hyde: Gay Manís Guide, Swanyard, Stolen & Contaminated.

Even though the archive.org Coil discography exists, I'm glad these DH reissues are making it onto streaming platforms.


Oh, and the The Nine Inch Nails thong was a nice touch.

Heh.

tricil
01-02-2020, 11:06 PM
Even though the archive.org Coil discography exists, I'm glad these DH reissues are making it onto streaming platforms.

Oh, same. I pre-ordered Stolen and Contaminated on vinyl because it was CD-only to begin with. Too bad there's a minute of Her Friends The Wolves appended on to the end of Corybantic Ennui.

Also, there's A Tale Of Two Black Light Districts.

There's Drew McDowell's version on Dais Records with the proper vinyl-only bonus track London's Lost Rivers: https://drewmcdowall.bandcamp.com/album/coil-presents-black-light-district-a-thousand-lights-in-a-darkened-room

Then there's Danny Hyde's issue on Infinite Fog which he did at the same exact time as the above reissue and wasn't sketch at all: https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/coil-presents-black-light-district-a-thousand-lights-in-a-darkened-room

While this version has a new-to-us track (Scattered Cross), it takes out the correct London's Lost Rivers and replaces it with the Coil version of the track from Unnatural History III, The Lost Rivers of London.

And because the Danny Hyde version is totally not sketchy at all, it's been uploaded to Spotify using the exact same title as the superior Dais release, which is makes Spotify hide the Dais issue in favor of this one.

Danny's version: https://open.spotify.com/album/6fdKuMOK9QAi0KBmPfBLA8?si=cZevpwsLQ0q_wW4LnPOxpw
Drew's version: https://open.spotify.com/album/6cIEvd8233a1pb3NTyo7AO?si=pnwd_bS1TMGhKn6Zx-Eo2Q

Stolen and Contaminated Songs was likely only reissued because Danny had put out Nasa Arab and Omlagus Garfungiloops on The Theme for Gay Man's Guide +2 (these are the plus two here). Now that that's been opened up, it's likely we'll see a Danny Hyde Love's Secret Domain next year, (un)fortunately. I'll likely buy it, but it's getting to the point of "well I was there in the studio producing the record I guess have the rights to put it out..."


Thongs.

Jon
01-02-2020, 11:24 PM
Also, there's A Tale Of Two Black Light Districts.

There's Drew McDowell's version on Dais Records with the proper vinyl-only bonus track London's Lost Rivers: https://drewmcdowall.bandcamp.com/album/coil-presents-black-light-district-a-thousand-lights-in-a-darkened-room

Then there's Danny Hyde's issue on Infinite Fog which he did at the same exact time as the above reissue and wasn't sketch at all: https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/coil-presents-black-light-district-a-thousand-lights-in-a-darkened-room

While this version has a new-to-us track (Scattered Cross), it takes out the correct London's Lost Rivers and replaces it with the Coil version of the track from Unnatural History III, The Lost Rivers of London.

And because the Danny Hyde version is totally not sketchy at all, it's been uploaded to Spotify using the exact same title as the superior Dais release, which is makes Spotify hide the Dais issue in favor of this one.

Danny's version: https://open.spotify.com/album/6fdKuMOK9QAi0KBmPfBLA8?si=cZevpwsLQ0q_wW4LnPOxpw
Drew's version: https://open.spotify.com/album/6cIEvd8233a1pb3NTyo7AO?si=pnwd_bS1TMGhKn6Zx-Eo2Q

Stolen and Contaminated Songs was likely only reissued because Danny had put out Nasa Arab and Omlagus Garfungiloops on The Theme for Gay Man's Guide +2 (these are the plus two here).

It's the same on Tidal and Deezer. I've also noticed the digital artwork is cropped incorrectly, and the colors are desaturated on the DH releases.

I was happy for a Stolen and Contaminated Songs reissue because I lost my disc to ring rot years ago.

eversonpoe
01-03-2020, 02:41 PM
so...is the stolen & contaminated vinyl worth getting? i've gone back and forth on it a lot.

tricil
01-03-2020, 05:49 PM
so...is the stolen & contaminated vinyl worth getting? i've gone back and forth on it a lot.

I havenít gotten my order just yet so i wouldnít know the actual quality of it.

Despite being ethically dubious because Danny Hyde was an engineer at best on these tracks, S&CS never had a vinyl pressing when it originally came out in 92/93. So itís interesting for that alone.

Will let you know when i get it.

eversonpoe
01-04-2020, 12:04 PM
yeah i have really mixed feelings about some of the stuff danny has been doing. some of it has been cool, but some of it has been...sort of disrespectful.

tricil
01-04-2020, 02:52 PM
yeah i have really mixed feelings about some of the stuff danny has been doing. some of it has been cool, but some of it has been...sort of disrespectful.

Thatís the jist of it!

Shadaloo
01-06-2020, 09:43 PM
So...over the past two weeks I've been on a heavy Coil kick. I've been off and on for a good few years now, but I've finally hit a point where I feel like I've comfortably immersed myself in both the studio and live discographies and shows thereof.

Something I've been mulling over is the fact that in the mid-nineties and beyond, the Coil discography really veers into the eclectic, drone and experimental. Which is wonderful, of course, but those overtly musical moments which do appear leave me to muse at what could have been. The Musick To Play In The Dark works stand on their own, but I can barely listen to much of Moon's Milk, for example.

To that end I'm kind of considering creating my own playlist or compilation of mid-late period musical odds and sods. Not in any sort of attempt to create an accessible album or anything, but it just sort of feels like there's enough kicking about to warrant it, for me at least, whether it be live favorites, outliers, or things that feel like they have a common thread.

Just spitballing. I'll see if I can come up with something cool. :)

Shadaloo
02-15-2020, 02:57 PM
Word on the Coil FB group is that Musick To Play In The Dark Vol. 1 is getting a vinyl re-release this summer on Dais, with higher-quality artwork and will include the full-length CD versions of the tracks as opposed to the original trimmed LP versions. Sourced from the original masters.

Vol. 2 under discussion currently :)

eversonpoe
02-19-2020, 06:48 PM
Word on the Coil FB group is that Musick To Play In The Dark Vol. 1 is getting a vinyl re-release this summer on Dais, with higher-quality artwork and will include the full-length CD versions of the tracks as opposed to the original trimmed LP versions. Sourced from the original masters.

Vol. 2 under discussion currently :)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/65ab4ac447df64828f8d762b078d07ed/tenor.gif?itemid=10451168

Chuck
03-28-2020, 04:34 PM
Hi all,

I'm after some advice re all of this new Coil vinyl that's been coming out, and what is or isn't 'legit', given the number of different labels all this stuff is coming out on.

I've been a bit of a Coil dabbler for many years, but have been diving in a bit more deeply with vinyl recently. I've got Time Machines and Black Light District, both of which I've wanted for years, so was super happy when those came out. I also randomly grabbed Astral Disaster Sessions Un/Finished Music when I saw it in a record shop. That's got some great stuff on it, even though I'm not actually that familiar with the original release.

Anyway, I'm thinking of buying Gay Man's Guide and Stolen & Contaminated Songs, but wasn't sure if either or both of these would be considered to be 'official' Coil releases? Is there such a thing these days? Is their a view on which record labels are putting out legitimate Coil releases, and which aren't? I'm also thinking in terms of what's coming out in future.

Anyway, help/guidance appreciated before I splash too much cash...

eversonpoe
03-29-2020, 11:16 AM
Hi all,

I'm after some advice re all of this new Coil vinyl that's been coming out, and what is or isn't 'legit', given the number of different labels all this stuff is coming out on.

I've been a bit of a Coil dabbler for many years, but have been diving in a bit more deeply with vinyl recently. I've got Time Machines and Black Light District, both of which I've wanted for years, so was super happy when those came out. I also randomly grabbed Astral Disaster Sessions Un/Finished Music when I saw it in a record shop. That's got some great stuff on it, even though I'm not actually that familiar with the original release.

Anyway, I'm thinking of buying Gay Man's Guide and Stolen & Contaminated Songs, but wasn't sure if either or both of these would be considered to be 'official' Coil releases? Is there such a thing these days? Is their a view on which record labels are putting out legitimate Coil releases, and which aren't? I'm also thinking in terms of what's coming out in future.

Anyway, help/guidance appreciated before I splash too much cash...

gay man's guide is legit and great. as are astral disaster & unfinished music.

stolen & contaminated, according to some of my friends in this thread, is a danny hyde cash grab.

anything that comes out on Dais records is 100% legit, and done with great care, as i'm sure you noticed from their versions of time machines & black light district.

there's a single of another brown world/baby food that's legit, as is the version of "a cold cell" that has the etching on side B.

i have mixed feelings about swanyard vs. backwards, but i own both and since ape of naples is my fav coil album, i'm glad to finally have (supposedly) every single thing from those sessions.

vav
03-29-2020, 12:10 PM
None of it is “legit.”

Gay Man’s, Swanyard, Backwards, S&C, BLD (Infinite Fog) and that other single that just released are all Danny cashing in. He has claim to writing some material and recording/engineering most of this, but he has no publishing rights.

Astral Disaster & the 2 unfinished volumes are a cash in by Gary Ramon, who originally released the record on Perscription & and played sitar one of the songs. Since he original lot released the record I’d imagine he’s got an argument for releasing the original record, but 2 unfinished sessions supplements?

Baby Food/Another Brown World is Sub Rosa cashing in, as those tracks were released on their compilations back in the days. See above, although at least this wasn’t egregious.

Cold Cell in Bangkok, same as above.

The Dais releases of TM, BLD & Elph can be considered the most legit due to Drew being one of the primary writers of the material in question. Also, the artwork is indicative of what sleazy wanted for the legacy/codex: simple and tasteful and as close to the original as possible.

and you’re probably missing the Backwards studio stems tracked right off of the Nothing desk, I have the files somewhere if I can find them I’ll upload them, although they aren’t too much different than what ended up as the Backwards release.

jmtd
03-30-2020, 04:24 AM
At the end of the day the original members of coil arenít seeing any of the proceeds of any new issues so Iím less concerned about what is legit or not. I think itís double standards to criticise Hyde for not having publishing rights but give McDowall a pass on the same thing. Iím more annoyed by Hydeís lack of honesty about the provenance of ďnewĒ mixes and tracks.

Edit: I totally accept that McDowall wrote Time Machines which I love; I just donít think we are in a strong position to judge Hydeís contribution on some of the other material

tricil
03-30-2020, 12:26 PM
One opportunity opened another with Danny Hyde.

Uncoiled begat Recoiled begat Backwards begat Swanyard begat that new single

the Gay Manís Guide had NASA Arab and Omlagous Garfungiloops as bonus tracks, which begat Stolen and Contaminated Songs

I guaranfuckintee that Stolen and Contaminated open the door to a questionable reissue of Loveís Secret Domain soon enough.

eversonpoe
03-30-2020, 12:40 PM
None of it is “legit.”

Gay Man’s, Swanyard, Backwards, S&C, BLD (Infinite Fog) and that other single that just released are all Danny cashing in. He has claim to writing some material and recording/engineering most of this, but he has no publishing rights.

Astral Disaster & the 2 unfinished volumes are a cash in by Gary Ramon, who originally released the record on Perscription & and played sitar one of the songs. Since he original lot released the record I’d imagine he’s got an argument for releasing the original record, but 2 unfinished sessions supplements?

Baby Food/Another Brown World is Sub Rosa cashing in, as those tracks were released on their compilations back in the days. See above, although at least this wasn’t egregious.

Cold Cell in Bangkok, same as above.

The Dais releases of TM, BLD & Elph can be considered the most legit due to Drew being one of the primary writers of the material in question. Also, the artwork is indicative of what sleazy wanted for the legacy/codex: simple and tasteful and as close to the original as possible.

and you’re probably missing the Backwards studio stems tracked right off of the Nothing desk, I have the files somewhere if I can find them I’ll upload them, although they aren’t too much different than what ended up as the Backwards release.

my mistake, sorry.

Chuck
04-01-2020, 04:59 PM
Thanks all for the replies. I had thought that the Dias releases were the closest to 'genuine' Coil output being released currently, which seems to be the general consensus.

I guess the jury's out on a lot of the rest. Still tempted to pick up some of the others, but will think on it.

What I'd really love is to somehow get hold of some of the original vinyl from the 80's and 90's, but prices are pretty prohibitive! I saw a Horse Rotorvator Dutch pressing from 1987 for £100 in a record shop a few months ago, so can't imagine how much an original pressing would go for...

jmtd
04-01-2020, 05:30 PM
I paid silly money for a Horse Rotovator, well, about £30 if memory serves, but Iíve no idea what pressing it is. I feel a bit silly even writing this. I picked it up at an in-person vinyl fair.

eversonpoe
04-01-2020, 06:13 PM
Thanks all for the replies. I had thought that the Dias releases were the closest to 'genuine' Coil output being released currently, which seems to be the general consensus.

I guess the jury's out on a lot of the rest. Still tempted to pick up some of the others, but will think on it.

What I'd really love is to somehow get hold of some of the original vinyl from the 80's and 90's, but prices are pretty prohibitive! I saw a Horse Rotorvator Dutch pressing from 1987 for £100 in a record shop a few months ago, so can't imagine how much an original pressing would go for...

this (https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/13319080?ev=rb) is the version of scatology i have (bought it for $40 almost 20 years ago) and it seems like it goes for around the same price these days. not bad.

this (https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Horse-Rotorvator/release/12053918) is the version of horse rotorvator i have. i paid $35 for it on discogs a few years ago (and didn't realize until today that it was sold under the wrong version (https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Horse-Rotorvator/release/99927), so i corrected that in my collection).

this (https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Gold-Is-The-Metal-With-The-Broadest-Shoulders/release/194181) is the version of gold is the metal i have, still going for around the same price i paid five years ago or so.

stuff like "love's secret domain" and both volumes of "musick to play in the dark" are prohibitively expensive, though, so i've never gotten them on vinyl, sadly. really hoping the latter get reissued through Dais sometime soon.

Prettybrokenspiral
06-13-2020, 05:33 PM
Has Dais given any updates to that rumor they were going to repress MTPITD 1 & 2 this year? I own original copies of both on vinyl, but due to them going for about $1,500 each nowadays, I am terrified to play them and just stick to my original first-press CD copies, which can also fetch hundreds of dollars..

And I finally tracked down all 16 of the Threshold Archives CDs; despite their shitty packaging with zero information whatsoever (what fucking idiot designed these?), the abundance of high quality rare and unreleased music makes it worth the time and currency it took to accumulate them all. Pretty sure I have everything these guys have ever released up this point now. I was skeptical of the Swanyard collection that Danny put out last year, but that turned out to be a goldmine of Backwards-era material in the end. Now if only we could get the entire catalogue reissued on vinyl by Dais..

Leviathant
06-13-2020, 08:48 PM
There have been periodic updates in the form of comments on posts in the Coil Facebook group, which I can sum up thusly: MTPTID Vol 1 is still on schedule, even with the whole COVID disruption. MTPITD Vol 2 was never confirmed, and likely depends on how successful the pressing of Vol 1 is.

If you don't play your MTPITDv1 record, get that cash for it Prettybrokenspiral

vav
06-15-2020, 05:36 PM
They’ve dropped in price. I sold my V1 recently for about 300. Also I dropped my Admin for the Coil group to focus on some other things so hopefully they don’t drop the ball on keeping the fashiies out in my absence.

muad'nin
06-15-2020, 11:43 PM
They’ve dropped in price. I sold my V1 recently for about 300. Also I dropped my Admin for the Coil group to focus on some other things so hopefully they don’t drop the ball on keeping the fashiies out in my absence.

Not being on Facebook, could you describe some of the stuff fascists are trying to get away with there? Does Coil historically have a fan base with such leanings, more so than that of other artists/bands?

eversonpoe
06-16-2020, 01:02 AM
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0251/2828/products/IMG_7633_1024x1024.jpg?v=1592100158

not sure how i missed it, but dais recently released an "art edition" of time machines, limited to 43 copies, for $100. guessing it sold out almost instantly. kind of glad i missed it, actually, since i literally have no money right now. https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/frontpage/products/coil-time-machines-art-edition

Prettybrokenspiral
06-16-2020, 01:43 PM
I went into that Coil FB group several months back to ask some random question and it somehow got railroaded into this discussion about how Cold Spring as a label should be generally avoided because it has ties to fascists or something? Then it spiraled out into a sub-discussion about how Coil themselves could be considered fascist because just being in that scene meant you were crossing paths with fascists. I never took anything they did to have roots in fascism though. Paganism, yes. Fascism, no..

That Dais re-re-issue of Time Machines is a joke, too. They announced its release 24 hours before its pre-order and then it predictably sold out in about 2.7 seconds, because it had a pressing quantity in the low-40s. Fuck these vanity labels who are completely out of touch, producing these things in such low quantity, so flipper dick douchebags on the secondary market can charge 4X the original asking price. I refuse to believe these labels are oblivious to such gouging that doesnít give true fans of a given artist any chance to acquire the product at a fair price. I donít care if they went to the ďStone Circle of ZionĒ or wherever to get the actual incense Jhon burned onstage for this package; itís a cash-grab that Iím sure the band would have laughed at the idea of, and I couldnít give less of a fuck if Drew McDowell signed it. Stick with the original press or one of the 2017 reissue variants with the remastered sound, which is significant..

Who knew that a one-off drone album would be so heavily milked 20+ years later. If Dais pulls this $100+, 40 copies only bullshit with the MTPITD reissue, I imagine Coil fans will be rightly burning down their corporate offices in protest..

katara
06-16-2020, 04:09 PM
Didn't Coil often have very limited runs of their albums with weirdly specific numbers?

Also: Avebury is a pretty cool place.

jmtd
06-17-2020, 05:57 PM
Donít want it? Donít buy it. Iím happy to ignore it entirely and promptly forget it ever existed. Meanwhile I donít begrudge some people paying their mortgages especially in this difficult time.

tricil
06-17-2020, 05:59 PM
I went into that Coil FB group several months back to ask some random question and it somehow got railroaded into this discussion about how Cold Spring as a label should be generally avoided because it has ties to fascists or something? Then it spiraled out into a sub-discussion about how Coil themselves could be considered fascist because just being in that scene meant you were crossing paths with fascists. I never took anything they did to have roots in fascism though. Paganism, yes. Fascism, no..

That Dais re-re-issue of Time Machines is a joke, too. They announced its release 24 hours before its pre-order and then it predictably sold out in about 2.7 seconds, because it had a pressing quantity in the low-40s. Fuck these vanity labels who are completely out of touch, producing these things in such low quantity, so flipper dick douchebags on the secondary market can charge 4X the original asking price. I refuse to believe these labels are oblivious to such gouging that doesnít give true fans of a given artist any chance to acquire the product at a fair price. I donít care if they went to the ďStone Circle of ZionĒ or wherever to get the actual incense Jhon burned onstage for this package; itís a cash-grab that Iím sure the band would have laughed at the idea of, and I couldnít give less of a fuck if Drew McDowell signed it. Stick with the original press or one of the 2017 reissue variants with the remastered sound, which is significant..

Who knew that a one-off drone album would be so heavily milked 20+ years later. If Dais pulls this $100+, 40 copies only bullshit with the MTPITD reissue, I imagine Coil fans will be rightly burning down their corporate offices in protest..

This was just had made art editions to go with the extras from the 2017 pressing. Dais always does this not just Coil.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/aae4f28f3eb2aee607c9313b18443e9a.jpg

ton
06-18-2020, 09:42 AM
Horse Rotorvator used to be on streaming services but it seems to have been taken down in the last few weeks. Maybe even longer since I hadn't listened to it in a while. I really liked that album so I was disappointed to not find it anymore. I'll have to find a download somewhere or buy a physical copy, though I have no CD player or vinyl turntable.

EDIT: Nevermind, I did a simple Google search for the album and found a download. Silly me.

Prettybrokenspiral
06-21-2020, 04:11 PM
https://thevinylfactory.com/features/essential-coil-10-albums/amp/

An awesome introductory guide to anyone looking to get into Coil’s nearly-impenetrable oeuvre..

I had forgotten how great MTPITD 2 is, as it often gets overshadowed by Vol. 1. ‘Where Are You?’ is an amazing, underrated classic in their discography..

jmtd
06-22-2020, 03:30 AM
Tiny golden books <3

Thereís a little indie book binders near where I live with the same name and I often wonder if they took it from Coil. I should ask them! https://tinygoldenbooks.com/

Or maybe itís a reference to ďlittle golden booksĒ. Maybe they both are

stlkr
07-06-2020, 03:37 AM
Theyíve dropped in price. I sold my V1 recently for about 300. Also I dropped my Admin for the Coil group to focus on some other things so hopefully they donít drop the ball on keeping the fashiies out in my absence.
oh Adam it's you? Adam here.

Prettybrokenspiral
07-07-2020, 08:03 PM
ICYMI, some ingenious mf realized about seven years back that the vinyl version of The New Backwards and the 1989 experimental horror film Begotten were basically made for each other..


https://youtu.be/cSRX9Hlh8Mo

Jhon and Christ would have been honored..

Leviathant
07-08-2020, 11:43 AM
Does anyone know why there's so much inconsistency on the spelling of Geoff's stage name? To be more specific, I've seen it spelt John, Jhon, and Jhonn.

See also: Al/Alien/Alain/Alejandro Jourgensen.

Artists gonna art.

vav
07-08-2020, 11:52 AM
At the end of the day the original members of coil arenít seeing any of the proceeds of any new issues so Iím less concerned about what is legit or not. I think itís double standards to criticise Hyde for not having publishing rights but give McDowall a pass on the same thing. Iím more annoyed by Hydeís lack of honesty about the provenance of ďnewĒ mixes and tracks.

Edit: I totally accept that McDowall wrote Time Machines which I love; I just donít think we are in a strong position to judge Hydeís contribution on some of the other material

Not a double standard at all, it has to do with who wrote the music. Drew was behind the releases he wrote music for and therefore has rights to re-release at his leisure as a surviving artist. Thighps, same thing. Look, at the end of the day i like Danny a lot and we used to get along great but he's taken a lot of liberties with what he's releasing. And i know for a fact he did write some music that did end up on records and i'll even offer he was instrumental to Coil's work for a period of time. But he's gone way beyond what he wrote and with Stolen & Contaminated, completely shut out the person who is a surviving member and helped write that music.

You go to the well too many times, it dries up.


Not being on Facebook, could you describe some of the stuff fascists are trying to get away with there? Does Coil historically have a fan base with such leanings, more so than that of other artists/bands?

Sorry i missed this and the delay in response. Coil and indeed most of that experimental/industrial/esoteric scene in the UK in that particular time period had a lot of musicians and artists and weirdos, and so a lot of people got together and made music and hung in the same circles. Boyd Rice was around, Douglas Pearce was around, etc. So folks who generally like Coil generally like NON, Death In June, Current 93 etc, bands they all played in and swapped members and whatever. Geoff & Peter disengaged from Boyd when he start going all close to fasshy, Douglas P same thing (and i'm not gunna do the Are or Aren't debate today) but Death in June fans and Boyd Rice fans can be just as fasshy adjacent or sometimes outright. I have a low tolerance for that so when people outed themselves as racists/anti-muslims/euro nationalists etc, i took great pleasure in removing them. Geoff & Peter would have wanted it that way, they had no use for that kind of person.


oh Adam it's you? Adam here.

hi bb :) yeah, i signed up a few years ago when i figured out the Roxy Music sample in Closer to let everyone know and then check in every once in awhile to answer Coil questions.


Does anyone know why there's so much inconsistency on the spelling of Geoff's stage name? To be more specific, I've seen it spelt John, Jhon, and Jhonn.

Cuz that's how he did it. He's gone by Geff, Geoff, Jeff, John, Jhon, Jhonn, Legion (i think?), Otto, Rufus....

Prettybrokenspiral
07-08-2020, 05:11 PM
Astral Disaster is such an amazing, under-appreciated album of theirs. I’m always blown away by the vibe I get when it’s playing. I think it tends to get overlooked due in part to all the hype surrounding the MTPITD albums back then, and the seemingly endless amount of material released from 1998 up until Jhonn’s death. They recorded that album in only two days, and still had enough left over for an additional collection of alternate versions/mixes..

ANS is another one in their discog that doesn’t get enough appreciation. What an absolute mind fuck that whole set is..

jmtd
07-18-2020, 04:04 PM
What is this I donít even

https://bleep.com/release/197654-coil-a-prison-of-measured-time-

Prettybrokenspiral
07-18-2020, 05:12 PM
Demons generally enter in through my ears..

I don't like what I hear..

I don't like what I see..

Ghosts vomit over me..

There's too much blood in my alcohol..

Can't get enough to numb me..

eversonpoe
07-18-2020, 11:56 PM
What is this I don’t even

https://bleep.com/release/197654-coil-a-prison-of-measured-time-

and also this: https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-astral-disaster-sessions-un-finished-musics-vol-2-lp/DRUG.019LP.html

i got the prescription edition of astral disaster, and i got unfinished musics, but now there's a volume 2? jeez. and no tracklist on that page, so i'm not even sure what's really​ on it.

jmtd
07-19-2020, 03:37 AM
Two long Backwards-era remixes makes my Danny Hyde sense tingle. No credits in the bleep blurb I saw

stlkr
07-20-2020, 06:48 AM
Two long Backwards-era remixes makes my Danny Hyde sense tingle. No credits in the bleep blurb I saw
just two tracks from Swanyard with added new samples of Geff voice and trumpet. not worth spending money tbh.

wizfan
07-20-2020, 09:10 AM
I can't help but feel at least partially guilty about this. I mean, I'm the one who started this whole mess when I began negotiating with Danny regarding the release of Uncoiled. Even back then, the Coil FB group hated my guts for helping Cold Spring release Recoiled and Backwards, because they said that releasing "unfinished material" was against Peter and Jhonn's wishes (though it's sad that it's now a cesspool of fascists that would make any Death in June FB group feel jealous). Like many of us, I wish Danny was just a little bit more transparent with me and Levi back in 2012. I even thought he was the person least likely to make cash-grab releases, and look where we are now...

Prettybrokenspiral
07-20-2020, 10:15 AM
I mean, I'm glad Gay Man's Guide to Safer Sex finally got a proper -- if technically unofficial -- release. And according to a guy who posted on the FB group the other day, the Backwards album came out nearly identical to what Peter gave the guy on a CD-r "decades ago", so who knows. I'm just happy to have anything of theirs. It's unfortunate and unsurprising that people would capitalize and bootleg the shit out of this stuff, but that's the nature of the game and has been for quite a long time..

What's been presented as Backwards/The New Backwards/Swanyard stands as a fascinating portrait of a nearly pitch black period of their era, if nothing else. The purists may stand against it, but am I glad it's out there for public consumption after all this time? Absolutely..

Leviathant
07-20-2020, 11:10 AM
I can't help but feel at least partially guilty about this. I mean, I'm the one who started this whole mess when I began negotiating with Danny regarding the release of Uncoiled. Even back then, the Coil FB group hated my guts for helping Cold Spring release Recoiled and Backwards, because they said that releasing "unfinished material" was against Peter and Jhonn's wishes (though it's sad that it's now a cesspool of fascists that would make any Death in June FB group feel jealous). Like many of us, I wish Danny was just a little bit more transparent with me and Levi back in 2012. I even thought he was the person least likely to make cash-grab releases, and look where we are now...

You've got nothing to feel guilty about! Personally, as you know, I think it's pretty cool that all this lost and reworked material is available to listen to, even if I haven't bothered with Swanyard or A Prison Of Measured Time or any of the other weird scraps that have popped up.

Compared to the weird hoarding tendencies from other folks who claim to have say over what gets released, which culminated in a totally half-cocked "Threshold Archives" one-time release, honestly I'm okay with Danny's approach compared to the mythmaking and psuedo-mysticism.

The one thing that's a bummer is the inability of the legitimate rights-holders to work out agreements among each other regarding these kinds of releases. At the same time, I've definitely seen people decry Danny's releases while simultaneously showing off bootleg records they picked up. There's a lot of weird drama that I don't understand.

eversonpoe
07-21-2020, 12:23 AM
and also this: https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/coil-astral-disaster-sessions-un-finished-musics-vol-2-lp/DRUG.019LP.html

i got the prescription edition of astral disaster, and i got unfinished musics, but now there's a volume 2? jeez. and no tracklist on that page, so i'm not even sure what's really​ on it.

anyone have any more info on this? not sure if my post got lost in the shuffle before.

vav
07-21-2020, 02:02 AM
I can't help but feel at least partially guilty about this. I mean, I'm the one who started this whole mess when I began negotiating with Danny regarding the release of Uncoiled. Even back then, the Coil FB group hated my guts for helping Cold Spring release Recoiled and Backwards, because they said that releasing "unfinished material" was against Peter and Jhonn's wishes (though it's sad that it's now a cesspool of fascists that would make any Death in June FB group feel jealous). Like many of us, I wish Danny was just a little bit more transparent with me and Levi back in 2012. I even thought he was the person least likely to make cash-grab releases, and look where we are now...

Nah, nothing to feel guilty about, there were unreleased passes at mixes, why not go for it. While it's true Geoff & Peter were meticulous about what got released, it's just as fair to say they just lost interest in stuff & forgot to get on with it. I mean shit, their planned releases outnumber the ones they actually did by like 2 to 1. It's neat to look back retrospectively at how the sausage was made.


I mean, I'm glad Gay Man's Guide to Safer Sex finally got a proper -- if technically unofficial -- release. And according to a guy who posted on the FB group the other day, the Backwards album came out nearly identical to what Peter gave the guy on a CD-r "decades ago", so who knows. I'm just happy to have anything of theirs. It's unfortunate and unsurprising that people would capitalize and bootleg the shit out of this stuff, but that's the nature of the game and has been for quite a long time..

What's been presented as Backwards/The New Backwards/Swanyard stands as a fascinating portrait of a nearly pitch black period of their era, if nothing else. The purists may stand against it, but am I glad it's out there for public consumption after all this time? Absolutely..

Gay Man's Guide is cool piece, the other bits are more or less just demos/alt mixes used for the film itself. I agree it's nice to have it collected (more or less)..i still havent matched the tracks to the Archives to see if everything is there.

Backwards (not the demos, but Backwards as ya'll know it) had no fewer than 3 "final" passes to it while figuring out the track order & mix to create the master. Given what actually got "released" the differences are academic at this point. "intro" is a little longer here, this fades out a little longer there, etc and honestly aren't worth quibbling over. Swanyard i finally broke down and listened to and i'm kinda glad to have it, it fills in a lot of missing pieces from the Demos done in Chiswick or wherever to Swanyard before heading to New Orleans in a way that i wasn't quite expecting.


anyone have any more info on this? not sure if my post got lost in the shuffle before.

Good question. There were alternate takes of several of the songs & a few false starts as well as jam or two that got whittled down later, but i was fairly certain everything from the sessions was released with the last "unpublished" album....so i dunno. Could just be a DAT dump of whatever's left. The real standout from the demos is that longform 14+ minute Krautrock jam, i think that got released on the first volume.

Prettybrokenspiral
08-04-2020, 03:57 AM
The Backwards demos -- in all their shitty 90s mp3 audio quality -- have now appeared on Apple Music, with a typically-Apple inaccurate track listing. WTF is with this group's incessant copyright/licensing woes..?

vav
08-04-2020, 03:24 PM
The Backwards demos -- in all their shitty 90s mp3 audio quality -- have now appeared on Apple Music, with a typically-Apple inaccurate track listing. WTF is with this group's incessant copyright/licensing woes..?

This, and the other recent Apple Music releases, should not be up there. It's probably some random person putting them up hoping to cash in for a bit.

Prettybrokenspiral
08-05-2020, 05:14 AM
Oh, I get it. I was bummed out when Horse Rotorvator and Scatology were unceremoniously yanked off the service, only for Love's Secret Domain to conspicuously show up there a few days later. Now these demos. It all makes me morbidly fascinated to see what will pop up next. Moon's Milk? MTPITD 1 & 2? The Remote fuckin' Viewer..?

I suppose I could just spend an afternoon indoors ripping all of these albums from CD and loading them into iTunes, and I'm sure I have most of their stuff on my phone already. It's just another bewildering facet of this band's seemingly free-for-all copyright legacy as we're now almost a decade on from PC's passing. Even Danny Hyde is left lost as to what the fuck is going on..

tricil
08-05-2020, 07:27 AM
Oh, I get it. I was bummed out when Horse Rotorvator and Scatology were unceremoniously yanked off the service, only for Love's Secret Domain to conspicuously show up there a few days later. Now these demos. It all makes me morbidly fascinated to see what will pop up next. Moon's Milk? MTPITD 1 & 2? The Remote fuckin' Viewer..?

I suppose I could just spend an afternoon indoors ripping all of these albums from CD and loading them into iTunes, and I'm sure I have most of their stuff on my phone already. It's just another bewildering facet of this band's seemingly free-for-all copyright legacy as we're now almost a decade on from PC's passing. Even Danny Hyde is left lost as to what the fuck is going on..

Just download their entire discography in FLAC from archive.org, optionally convert to Apple lossless via XLD or equivalent, and import to iTunes.

vav
08-05-2020, 01:34 PM
Oh, I get it. I was bummed out when Horse Rotorvator and Scatology were unceremoniously yanked off the service, only for Love's Secret Domain to conspicuously show up there a few days later. Now these demos. It all makes me morbidly fascinated to see what will pop up next. Moon's Milk? MTPITD 1 & 2? The Remote fuckin' Viewer..?

I suppose I could just spend an afternoon indoors ripping all of these albums from CD and loading them into iTunes, and I'm sure I have most of their stuff on my phone already. It's just another bewildering facet of this band's seemingly free-for-all copyright legacy as we're now almost a decade on from PC's passing. Even Danny Hyde is left lost as to what the fuck is going on..

MTPITD will go up next probably when the LP releases.

Leviathant
08-05-2020, 04:13 PM
MTPITD will go up next probably when the LP releases.

Literally every time I see this thread update, I'm clicking in here to see if I missed a preorder for MTPITD

jmtd
08-05-2020, 04:51 PM
Same!

Prettybrokenspiral
08-05-2020, 08:20 PM
I've already set aside a shitload of money for a copy (or two) because you just know it's going to be in some ridiculously scarce quantity and every flipper dick who even knows what Coil is will be swooping in to ravage the supply in hopes of a 700% mark-up..

vav
08-05-2020, 09:46 PM
the test pressings look gorgeous, i'm pretty excited to see these get done right. Gibby/Dais are really doing it right and Josh Bonati's remastering work (and archival work on some other unrelated projects) is top notch.

Prettybrokenspiral
08-09-2020, 09:39 AM
Listened to LSD’s “Dark River” on loop for like three hours yesterday while working on a writing project. How fucking otherworldly and amazing is that piece, anyway..?









(Sorry, Levi.. :eek:)

wizfan
08-09-2020, 10:21 AM
Listened to LSD’s “Dark River” on loop for like three hours yesterday while working on a writing project. How fucking otherworldly and amazing is that piece, anyway..?

Yeah, that track is the shit. I had a similar experience back in 2008; I was scanning and printing some stuff for a university project while listening to Time Machines. That fucker made me completely lose sense of time. I had no idea if a few minutes had passed, or a bunch of hours.

Prettybrokenspiral
08-09-2020, 05:04 PM
That’s pretty much my experience with their music in general; putting on practically any one of their albums is like the equivalent of stepping into a portal to another realm of the universe. The Remote Viewer, Angelic Conversation, Black Light District and Astral Disaster especially..

Prettybrokenspiral
08-11-2020, 01:45 PM
https://infinitefog.ru/shop/new/?lang=en

It’s not the MTPITD pre-order, but it is the Sara Dale’s Sensual Massage soundtrack pre-order, which a lot of Coil fans have been waiting years for. Half of these tracks already surfaced years back on TA’s “The Sound of Musick” comp, but there’s enough bonus material on this to pique my curiosity and warrant a purchase. The question is, is it legit..?

Leviathant
08-11-2020, 04:02 PM
Have we found the bottom of the barrel yet?

jmtd
08-12-2020, 02:51 AM
Does he pass judgment on the other reissues heís not been involved with? Or was he involved in this one?

vav
08-12-2020, 12:26 PM
Listened to LSD’s “Dark River” on loop for like three hours yesterday while working on a writing project. How fucking otherworldly and amazing is that piece, anyway..?









(Sorry, Levi.. :eek:)

That track was a nightmare to mix according to Thrower. Pass after pass after pass after pass after pass, hour after hour after hour, with all of them sweating over the board, each with 4 or 5 faders per hand just agonizing over getting the whole thing to sound right, each element to come and go seamlessly, punching in effects here and muting there in real time because back then there was no board automation. It was worth it obviously, but it more or less broke him for a bit.


https://infinitefog.ru/shop/new/?lang=en

It’s not the MTPITD pre-order, but it is the Sara Dale’s Sensual Massage soundtrack pre-order, which a lot of Coil fans have been waiting years for. Half of these tracks already surfaced years back on TA’s “The Sound of Musick” comp, but there’s enough bonus material on this to pique my curiosity and warrant a purchase. The question is, is it legit..?

I think "legit" really needs to be defined here: Geoff and Peter are dead, and they were Coil, so the term "legit" only goes so far. "Ethical" might be a better term, and speaks to who wrote material for what's being released and whether or not they're involved with the new release in question. I don't know who wrote Sara Dale's, but it sure sounds like Peter's commercial music.

Jinsai
08-12-2020, 12:40 PM
That track was a nightmare to mix according to Thrower. Pass after pass after pass after pass after pass, hour after hour after hour, with all of them sweating over the board, each with 4 or 5 faders per hand just agonizing over getting the whole thing to sound right, each element to come and go seamlessly, punching in effects here and muting there in real time because back then there was no board automation. It was worth it obviously, but it more or less broke him for a bit.

It's always interesting to consider what a pain in the ass it used to be to make electronic music. Sample memory limitations, prohibitive cost of hardware, no computers...

It makes me wonder if the medium has changed so much that the motivation driving it is largely supplanted by something new and completely disinterested in that discipline.

Findus
08-12-2020, 12:52 PM
Listened to LSD’s “Dark River” on loop for like three hours yesterday while working on a writing project. How fucking otherworldly and amazing is that piece, anyway..?

I got into a Dark River looping habit way back in the summer of '94. I had recently heard it for the first time at one of the San Francisco Warfield shows. Love's Secret Domain was looped as the pre-show music. This was the show where Trent threw the mic stand into Podboy's forehead, causing an intermission of about 45 minutes to stitch him up, while L.S.D. playing over again.
The track always takes me back to that night, which was also my first Nine Inch Nails show.
Previously, the only Coil I had heard was Contains a Disclaimer, which was on a friend's Pathological Compilation cassette. The only way I knew the pre-show music was Coil was by recognizing the similarity with Contains a Disclaimer.

Prettybrokenspiral
08-12-2020, 02:08 PM
That track was a nightmare to mix according to Thrower. Pass after pass after pass after pass after pass, hour after hour after hour, with all of them sweating over the board, each with 4 or 5 faders per hand just agonizing over getting the whole thing to sound right, each element to come and go seamlessly, punching in effects here and muting there in real time because back then there was no board automation. It was worth it obviously, but it more or less broke him for a bit.

According to Englandís Hidden Reverse, that whole album was a nightmare to record, mix, create, et al. It carried over into the long and meandering Backwards sessions for the next five years. Thankfully, when they started releasing music again in the late 90s, it resulted in some of their greatest work ever..

Leviathant
08-14-2020, 06:12 PM
August 21st! See all the Dais Records social media accounts.

There! The update I was looking for - I did it myself! Go me!

Prettybrokenspiral
08-14-2020, 10:31 PM
Don’t even want to begin to imagine what a shitshow this pre-order is going to be like. Between us diehard Coil fans competing with flipper dick vultures and an army of bots, the term “clusterfuck” would be an understatement. No way their e-commerce site is going to be able to handle this. No way..

I’ve literally set aside like $3K for two copies of this reissue, not even bullshitting. One for playing and one for bomb shelter preservation. And if I wind up having to pay some smarmy douche an arm and two legs on the secondary market for them, they very well might be receiving an anonymous box full of dogshit in addition to shitty feedback on principle. Not even bullshitting..

tricil
08-14-2020, 10:38 PM
Iíll be stoked for the black 2xlp

Leviathant
08-14-2020, 11:06 PM
Don’t even want to begin to imagine what a shitshow this pre-order is going to be like. Between us diehard Coil fans competing with flipper dick vultures and an army of bots, the term “clusterfuck” would be an understatement. No way their e-commerce site is going to be able to handle this. No way

A new challenger enters the arena (https://daisrecords.bandcamp.com/)

Prettybrokenspiral
08-16-2020, 11:26 AM
Bit the bullet and purchased these Coil vinyl bootlegs off an Italian seller who offered me a blowaway deal for what they usually sell for:

(https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Moons-Milk-In-Four-Phases/release/3647219)https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Musick-To-Play-In-The-Dark/release/7925290

https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Moons-Milk-In-Four-Phases/release/3647219

https://www.discogs.com/Coil-The-Remote-Viewer/release/12851416

All unofficial, for sure, but highly regarded as far as quality is concerned. I’ve already got original vinyl pressings of both MTPITD albums, and will be vying for the reissue of Vol. 1 this Friday. Naturally, if they’re ever to release legit copies of Moon’s Milk or The Remote Viewer, I’ll be all over those as well. For now, these will suffice, given how attached I am to these releases (TRV being an unexplainable personal favorite)..

Some seller on Amazon was also selling a brand new vinyl copy of Astral Disaster for $100, which I also jumped on. That turned out to be the ultra-rare red vinyl pressing that goes for way, way more on the secondary when it shows up. This group truly is magickal..

Jon
08-16-2020, 12:31 PM
August 21st! See all the Dais Records social media accounts.

There! The update I was looking for - I did it myself! Go me!


Iíll be stoked for the black 2xlp


A new challenger enters the arena (https://daisrecords.bandcamp.com/)

Uh... is there at least a landing page that I can bookmark for the 21st? Or do I need to be signed up to the mailing list for that privilege?

eversonpoe
08-17-2020, 01:18 AM
https://www.discogs.com/Coil-Moons-Milk-In-Four-Phases/release/3647219

Naturally, if they’re ever to release legit copies of Moon’s Milk

sorry, i know you don't like me and think i'm "arrogant" but i just wanted to know if you have the original 7"s that make up moon's milk, since those are legit. i think it'd be great if they reissued those some day in a small boxed set rather than doing a 2xLP, as it would be more in line with the intended presentation.

Chuck
08-17-2020, 09:00 AM
sorry, i know you don't like me and think i'm "arrogant" but i just wanted to know if you have the original 7"s that make up moon's milk, since those are legit. i think it'd be great if they reissued those some day in a small boxed set rather than doing a 2xLP, as it would be more in line with the intended presentation.

Reissues in the original format would be good, but one thing I've found annoying about Coil, as someone interested in collecting vinyl but not CDs, is that many of their vinyl releases cut songs from the CD versions. So the most complete versions of the releases are the CDs.

I'd love to get those Moon's Milk 7"s, but I'd still be missing a bunch of the songs from the CDs.

eversonpoe
08-17-2020, 12:21 PM
Reissues in the original format would be good, but one thing I've found annoying about Coil, as someone interested in collecting vinyl but not CDs, is that many of their vinyl releases cut songs from the CD versions. So the most complete versions of the releases are the CDs.

I'd love to get those Moon's Milk 7"s, but I'd still be missing a bunch of the songs from the CDs.

yeah, like the vinyl version of "the new backwards" as compared to the CD version. it's a little frustrating.

so i propose a moon's milk box set of 7"s that replicate the original releases as well as additional 7"s that contain the previously CD-exclusive tracks.

jmtd
08-17-2020, 02:19 PM
August 21st! See all the Dais Records social media accounts.

There! The update I was looking for - I did it myself! Go me!

Great to know, thanks. Anyone going to guess on timeZone for release? Iím actually on their mailing list but didnít get any mail...

Hah Iím going to be out all day with limited signal on friday. Goddamnit

Edit: any info about the release? Vinyl colours? Price? Etc

Prettybrokenspiral
08-17-2020, 08:53 PM
The Coil CD vs. vinyl thing is ridiculous. The main reason I bought the Moon’s Milk bootleg is because the 7” solstice vinyl(s) omit songs (as mentioned) and because it’s a pain in the f’n ass to flip over/interchange a bunch of 7s if I want to hear the entire experience. I have the 2-CD Moon’s Milk package and — given the expensiveness of Coil vinyl and even CDs — I’m not into playing their vinyl repeatedly, due to wear and tear with each spin. I would much rather blast the CDs at home, which require minimal interchange, if any. I can always pull the vinyl package off the shelf and gaze into it as the CD is playing.. :eek:

So yea, a big selling point for me with these bootlegs was the fact that they have all the songs from their CD counterparts (minus the live version of Amethyst Deceivers at the end of Moon’s Milk Disc 1, I believe). Even if these are CD rips pressed to vinyl, they come highly regarded within the Coil community..

Do I sound obsessed with this group? Good, I most definitely am. I’ve been listening to Time Machines and Time Machines II on loop for the last nine hours (on CD)..

Tom
08-19-2020, 08:11 AM
given the expensiveness of Coil vinyl and even CDs — I’m not into playing their vinyl repeatedly, due to wear and tear with each spin.
Being a right a clumsy bastard, I totally get this concern. But provided you handle them carefully, and you don't have a lousy turntable (and given how much you're willing to drop on vinyl I'm assuming you don't) then your records shouldn't be getting wear and tear with each spin. And I can certainly recommend the pleasures of actually playing highly prized records - you can't take them with you :)

jmtd
08-20-2020, 06:07 PM
This is moon musick, in the light of the moon. Tomorrow 7am Pacific, 10 Eastern, 3pm UK

barkhammer
08-20-2020, 07:47 PM
This is moon musick, in the light of the moon. Tomorrow 7am Pacific, 10 Eastern, 3pm UK

This is midnight in Australia - do I have any chance of getting one even if I stay up late?

jmtd
08-20-2020, 11:48 PM
Youíre guess is as good as mine!

Leviathant
08-21-2020, 12:05 AM
The original LP was limited to 500 copies. I'm sure we'll see at least double that made available in the morning ;)

jmtd
08-21-2020, 02:06 AM
Some time machines merch has appeared for pre order

Edit: anyone taking bets that theyíll do a glow in the dark colour?

Chuck
08-21-2020, 05:34 AM
I'm sure there will be enough copies in total for everyone looking for one today. The issue will be that some of the colours will likely be pretty limited. So comes down to how concerned you are about a specific colour I guess. Would be ideal to know what the options are in advance, but Dais haven't said anything about that.

tricil
08-21-2020, 09:18 AM
Hereís the bandcamp link: https://coilofficial.bandcamp.com/music

eversonpoe
08-21-2020, 09:56 AM
new scrolling header image for MTPITD on the dais site, but it just takes you to the COIL artist page (which doesn't actually have it up yet). FOUR MINUTES!!!

edit: t-shirts & a tote bag just appeared!

edit: CDs up on bandcamp

edit: 2 vinyl variants up on bandcamp. still nothing on dais site.

Shadaloo
08-21-2020, 10:03 AM
Got me a purple :)

eversonpoe
08-21-2020, 10:05 AM
all variants are up on dais now!

managed to snag one of the white-in-clear moon variants! wish i had money for all of them but Į\_(ツ)_/Į this one looks SO cool.

Chuck
08-21-2020, 10:09 AM
Got one of the white-in-clear moon ones as well. Hurrah! Phew, that felt quite tense!

Just have to wait until almost the end of the year to actually get it though...

tricil
08-21-2020, 10:17 AM
I got a purple too. Those white in clear and eclipse variants are dope just didnít notice until after i hit pay on bandcamp haha

Tom
08-21-2020, 10:18 AM
Got the splatter and the transparent blue. If you're in the UK look at Norman Records and/or Bleep.

Shadaloo
08-21-2020, 10:20 AM
I got a purple too. Those white in clear and eclipse variants are dope just didn’t notice until after i hit pay on bandcamp haha

Likewise. My trigger finger was TOO itchy :P

Leviathant
08-21-2020, 10:30 AM
Bandcamp loaded up first: CD... *refresh* Purple vinyl *refresh* black vinyl... so I threw the CD and purple vinyl into my cart and checked out.
Dais Records updates, and as expected, has more variety - including the moon version. Goddamnit okay fine. Threw that in the cart and checked out.
I refresh the page, and there's more editions, including the Eclipse edition - which, honestly, I like the look of better. But by this point, I had two limited edition vinyl editions, and the new CD. No need to get greedy.

Still debating on a shirt. I have a lot of black shirts.

vav
08-21-2020, 10:37 AM
i can't properly express how thrilled i am dais is handling this reissue. and i did the white-in-clear, and i will probably grab a black one at some point too.

Leviathant
08-21-2020, 11:01 AM
My only quibble, and it is very minor, is that looking at cover.jpg in the Bandcamp downloads, the artwork appears to be based on a scan of the digipak rather than from a digital master, or even of the vinyl jacket. There's less dynamic range in the mist and snow, and there's a moire pattern in the details.

But that's okay because it's "...packaged in a sturdy matte jacket with embossed lettering and spot-gloss design elements..." which should look great, and the Bandcamp download is nicely remastered and 24-bit.

jmtd
08-21-2020, 11:31 AM
Had to leave instructions with my brother who didnít follow them whilst I was in a black out area... but got online and dictated my order whilst I drove, ended up with clear blue, which coincidentally Is the variant I prefer

Tom
08-21-2020, 11:39 AM
Yes I like the blue - goes well with the cover art. I didn't actually like the design of the two most limited variants - not a fan of half-one-colour-and-half-another, or big blobs.

Leviathant
08-21-2020, 12:38 PM
Do we know if the CD is limited edition?

"edition of 3000" according to the Bandcamp page.

seasonsinthesky
08-21-2020, 02:55 PM
Damn, I didn't realize there was a BC for it until I'd already bought the vinyl. I wonder if they come with download codes.

tricil
08-21-2020, 04:01 PM
Damn, I didn't realize there was a BC for it until I'd already bought the vinyl. I wonder if they come with download codes.

They most certainly will.

reseen_lamenti
08-21-2020, 05:30 PM
Unintentionally slept through this, so settled for the black press. Oh well~~~

Leviathant
08-21-2020, 08:49 PM
Bleep still has variants (https://bleep.com/release/202035-coil-musick-to-play-in-the-dark) as of this posting.

jmtd
08-22-2020, 02:57 AM
Thanks yes, including the blue one, and shipping for the UK from bleep is affordable. Iíve re ordered with them (literally half the total price compared to direct from dais) and asked my brother to cancel my dais pre order.

jmtd
08-26-2020, 05:17 AM
DAIS have just added some pre-orders for a second pressing, landing in December. The colour choices this time are



White & Black "Star" Vinyl 2xLP | 200 edition (2nd Pressing)
White & Black "Nova" Vinyl 2xLP | 400 edition (2nd Pressing)
White & Black "Moon Phase" Vinyl 2xLP | 600 edition (2nd Pressing)
Milky White Vinyl 2xLP | 800 edition (2nd Pressing)
Clear & Yellow Splatter Vinyl 2xLP | 1000 edition (2nd Pressing NA Stores Exclusive)
Clear Yellow Vinyl 2xLP | 2000 edition (2nd Pressing - ROW Stores Exclusive)


https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/coil/products/coil-musick-to-play-in-the-dark

The "moon phase" and "milky white" ones look nice IMHO.

But I can't help but think we're being bilked here a bit :)

Leviathant
08-26-2020, 10:34 AM
But I can't help but think we're being bilked here a bit :)

I was surprised that this was only $29.99-$34.99 depending on the pressing. That seems like a perfectly reasonable price to me.

eversonpoe
08-26-2020, 11:30 AM
But I can't help but think we're being bilked here a bit :)


I was surprised that this was only $29.99-$34.99 depending on the pressing. That seems like a perfectly reasonable price to me.

yeah i think they're trying to make sure everyone who wants one can get a copy, and they're putting out fun variants in phases so everyone has a chance to get something cool. no one is saying you have to buy more than one variant :p

Chuck
08-26-2020, 12:19 PM
I absolutely believe that everyone who wants a copy should get one, and that flippers are dicks and deserve to have the rug pulled out from under them, but I can't help but feel there's a certain point at which an excessive number of variants starts to get a bit ridiculous. Like are they making good aesthetic choices, or just trying to come up with colour combinations they haven't used yet. And at what point do 'special editions' stop being special if more and more keep popping up.

Maybe after the first 8 or whatever colour variants went, they could just keep the black version in print and continue to sell that in perpetuity. Although, if there's continued demand for the 'special editions', I can't blame Dais for continuing to issue them...

Mutilated
08-26-2020, 12:48 PM
I absolutely believe that everyone who wants a copy should get one, and that flippers are dicks and deserve to have the rug pulled out from under them, but I can't help but feel there's a certain point at which an excessive number of variants starts to get a bit ridiculous. Like are they making good aesthetic choices, or just trying to come up with colour combinations they haven't used yet. And at what point do 'special editions' stop being special if more and more keep popping up.

Maybe after the first 8 or whatever colour variants went, they could just keep the black version in print and continue to sell that in perpetuity. Although, if there's continued demand for the 'special editions', I can't blame Dais for continuing to issue them...


Dais Records do this all the time. Its an absolute joke. Second pressing a few days later?? Come on. Total piss take.

Look at this for Drab Majesty's The Demonstration album:



Blue Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Clear Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
White Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Purple Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
Multi-Color Splatter Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Light Blue Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
Pink Vinyl LP | 500 edition (sold out)
Glow-In-The Dark Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Blue/White Splatter Vinyl LP | 200 edition (sold out)
Silver Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
Black-In-Red Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Metallic Red Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
Translucent Red Vinyl LP | 500 edition (sold out)
Translucent Green Vinyl LP | 750 edition (sold out)
Black-In-Green Vinyl LP | 400 edition (sold out)
Clear / Green Splatter Vinyl LP | 100 edition (sold out)
Black-in-Yellow Vinyl LP | 200 edition
Yellow Splatter Vinyl LP | 400 edition
Clear Yellow Vinyl LP | 600 edition
Black Vinyl LP

Leviathant
08-26-2020, 12:49 PM
at what point do 'special editions' stop being special if more and more keep popping up.

I admit I'm coming at this from the angle of someone who doesn't traditionally collect piles of variants - my collection itch comes in the form of "get all the audio" and for NIN, a bit of the "get all the artwork" too. As is probably clear from my posts on the topic, I think this is a great way of dispelling the myth of scarcity around the limited edition, while still (as eversonpoe stated) giving everyone a chance to have something cool.

If you want standard vinyl, that's the least expensive option. If you want non-standard vinyl, you can get non-standard vinyl for a $3-5 premium. These are mass produced objects, not high art bullshit (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coil-Musick-To-Play-In-The-Dark-2LP-TRAUMA-Edition-Throbbing-Gristle-Psychic-TV-/323769820188). They are not actually special, buying multiple copies is silly. (I bought multiple copies, it was silly) Hoarding is bad. I hope this convinces more people to hoard less.

eversonpoe
08-26-2020, 02:50 PM
high art bullshit (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coil-Musick-To-Play-In-The-Dark-2LP-TRAUMA-Edition-Throbbing-Gristle-Psychic-TV-/323769820188).

i can't believe someone on discogs got a copy of this for under $30 ten years ago. https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/1826033

vav
08-26-2020, 06:46 PM
They're going to keep it in print. It'll be continually available for those that would like to purchase it. You could have have six defective copies that would end up being sold on the secondary market as limited editions at inflated prices by someone...look up "misspress" on ebay. People like variants, give the people variants. Buy whichever one you want, don't stress it.

jmtd
08-27-2020, 02:50 AM
Thanks for being the voice of reason folks (especially Leviís take). ďBilkedĒ was the wrong word. Thinking about the situation now I think I was conflating it with some other experiences Iíve had of ďlimitedĒ issues. I only planned to buy one copy and thatís what Iíve done so Iím happy. Likewise Iím not concerned about which pressing I have; it might have been nice to have had the full variant list to choose from when I ordered, but by the time I noticed the second pressing I could have ordered one and cancelled my last order, but Iím not motivated enough to bother. (And the order I placed is with a uk distributor for substantially less than I could get the second pressing variants for anyway)

So... back to being positive!

Prettybrokenspiral
10-20-2020, 09:02 PM
https://www.treblezine.com/coil-beginners-guide-industrial-music/?fbclid=IwAR3Jyun_P7uh5tpkGS152YclfioESpFdEjIY3vM6 oFMTiXlhc9-5Q4HdSUk

Plenty of “How to get into Coil” pieces out there, but this latest one is choice, and lots of NIN/Trent mentions..

muad'nin
10-23-2020, 10:56 PM
Did anybody here at ETS pick this up? -
https://www.discogs.com/Coil-A-Guide-For-Beginners-The-Voice-Of-Silver-A-Guide-For-Finishers-A-Hair-Of-Gold/release/16102752

If so, is it worth the cash?

Prettybrokenspiral
10-25-2020, 08:34 PM
I didn't see the point in picking it (them) up because I still own the two standalone CDs they released for the russian market like 20 years back. I remember it being a huge deal at the time because this was long before the Backwards stuff had seen any kind of official release, so AYOR and A Cold Cell were highly sought after amongst the community..

It's great that it's widely-available for a new generation again, but it reeks of a cash grab. They could have at least made it available on vinyl the first time ever without it being a shady, overpriced package with random artwork and unrelated bonus tracks tacked on the end for no reason..

tricil
10-25-2020, 09:01 PM
I didn't see the point in picking it (them) up because I still own the two standalone CDs they released for the russian market like 20 years back. I remember it being a huge deal at the time because this was long before the Backwards stuff had seen any kind of official release, so AYOR and A Cold Cell were highly sought after amongst the community..

It's great that it's widely-available for a new generation again, but it reeks of a cash grab. They could have at least made it available on vinyl for the first time ever..

Search harder. It already was reissued on vinyl two years ago:

https://feelee.bandcamp.com/merch/complete-coil-4lp-set-guide-for-beginners-the-voice-of-silver-guide-for-finishers-a-hair-of-gold

The Cold Spring reissue is a cash grab of this exact compilation because theyíre salty about Dais getting that MTPITD cash. The compilations were already on Spotify already (and still are)

Prettybrokenspiral
10-26-2020, 06:17 AM
Search harder. It already was reissued on vinyl two years ago:

https://feelee.bandcamp.com/merch/complete-coil-4lp-set-guide-for-beginners-the-voice-of-silver-guide-for-finishers-a-hair-of-gold

The Cold Spring reissue is a cash grab of this exact compilation because they’re salty about Dais getting that MTPITD cash. The compilations were already on Spotify already (and still are)

I remember that (and then promptly forgot about it) getting roundly outed as a bootleg years ago on the Coil social media pages, so no thanks. $100 for 4 LPs? You go ahead and waste your money on it..

tricil
10-26-2020, 08:07 AM
I remember that (and then promptly forgot about it) getting roundly outed as a bootleg years ago on the Coil social media pages, so no thanks. $100 for 4 LPs? You go ahead and waste your money on it..

I donít care. I have the CDís from 2001.

You were the one who wanted it pressed ďfor the first time ever.Ē

Itís not even a bootleg either, Feelee was the original label who put this out, unlike cold spring.

Prettybrokenspiral
10-26-2020, 08:32 AM
Oh, very well. I amended my original post, hopefully to your satisfaction..

jmtd
11-27-2020, 01:08 PM
Arrived!
https://jmtd.net/log/Musick_To_Play_In_The_Dark/300x400-image.jpg

wizfan
11-27-2020, 02:12 PM
Arrived!

Hey, why are your lights turned on??? :P

seasonsinthesky
11-27-2020, 02:58 PM
Got mine as well. I like that they emphasized the moon with spot varnish(?), but why the hell is it two LPs in a single pocket? A week longer in transit and it probably would have arrived with ringwear.

jmtd
11-28-2020, 08:12 AM
Just a note that the download code provided copies are not *all* 24 bit, despite their filenames



Input #0, mp3, from 'A1 Are You Shivering_ V2 (24bit) 1.mp3':
Metadata:
title : A1 Are You Shivering_ V2 (24bit) 1
iTunPGAP : 0
encoded_by : iTunes 12.9.5.5
iTunNORM : 00000689 0000053B 00003CE8 00003AFB 0005D700 0005D700 00007B9C 00007B9C 00058FC6 00054E29
iTunSMPB : 00000000 00000210 00000B30 0000000001839940 00000000 00D2E3C2 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
Duration: 00:09:36.08, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 192 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Audio: mp3, 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s


Actually that doesn't say it isnt 24 bit. But that's a low bitrate for 24 bit. The WAVs look ok.

eversonpoe
11-28-2020, 01:19 PM
Just a note that the download code provided copies are not *all* 24 bit, despite their filenames



Input #0, mp3, from 'A1 Are You Shivering_ V2 (24bit) 1.mp3':
Metadata:
title : A1 Are You Shivering_ V2 (24bit) 1
iTunPGAP : 0
encoded_by : iTunes 12.9.5.5
iTunNORM : 00000689 0000053B 00003CE8 00003AFB 0005D700 0005D700 00007B9C 00007B9C 00058FC6 00054E29
iTunSMPB : 00000000 00000210 00000B30 0000000001839940 00000000 00D2E3C2 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
Duration: 00:09:36.08, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 192 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Audio: mp3, 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s


Actually that doesn't say it isnt 24 bit. But that's a low bitrate for 24 bit. The WAVs look ok.

thanks for the heads up! i'll download the WAVs and convert them myself!

looking forward to actually opening mine and listening to it. wonder how my new baby will react to COIL being their first vinyl experience haha

seasonsinthesky
11-28-2020, 02:01 PM
MP3s aren't 24bit. That's just in the filenames because they're converted from the WAVs. No need to test anything.

jmtd
11-28-2020, 04:37 PM
Itís perfectly possible to get 24 bit MP3s so itís confusing to name them as such when they arenít. Except they actually are. Just low bit rate ones. Oh, and itís fairly unusual I think to get 44.1kHz sample rate paired with 24 bit. Both the WAVs and the MP3s are that too. The bleep FLACs are 16/44.1.

In this drew interview https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/interviews/drew-mcdowall-on-musick-magick-and-materiality

They mention that both volumes of MTPITD have been redone

seasonsinthesky
11-29-2020, 04:18 PM
Sorry to be a stickler here, but that just isn't true. The MP3 format does not have bit depth because of the way it stores data; decoders either have a fixed depth or a user-chosen one that is used during re-quantization (more here (http://blog.bjrn.se/2008/10/lets-build-mp3-decoder.html)). So there is no such thing as a 24bit MP3, or 16bit, or any other value, just whatever the decoder uses for re-quantization on playback. 24/44.1 is also a super common delivery format on sites like HDtracks, so I'm not sure why that would be considered unusual.

I think I had read somewhere previously that MTPITD2 was slated from the beginning like 1, but would be released later. It was probably on the Coil FB group.

Tom
11-29-2020, 06:03 PM
Just listened to the new vinyl - nice pressing, sounds great!

jmtd
11-30-2020, 06:08 AM
Sorry to be a stickler here, but that just isn't true. The MP3 format does not have bit depth because of the way it stores data; decoders either have a fixed depth or a user-chosen one that is used during re-quantization (more here (http://blog.bjrn.se/2008/10/lets-build-mp3-decoder.html)). So there is no such thing as a 24bit MP3, or 16bit, or any other value, just whatever the decoder uses for re-quantization on playback. 24/44.1 is also a super common delivery format on sites like HDtracks, so I'm not sure why that would be considered unusual.

No need to apologise. I appreciate being educated. I'm really surprised, but TIL! As or 24/44.1: I can only speak from what I've seen or experienced. I don't buy much HD music so I haven't seen it on sites like HDTracks. It must be much more common than my limited sample suggests, which (looking at it now) is heavily weighted by TR&AR/NIN releases: lots of 24/48, some 24/96, but no 24/44.1.

jmtd
12-05-2020, 01:13 PM
Iíd Never listened to ďstrange birdsĒ properly before, and Iím struck by just how similar the bird box soundtrack is in style. very interesting piece

jmtd
12-18-2020, 07:09 AM
Flippiní Ďeck
https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/loves-secret-domain-30th-anniversary-edition

LSD triple lp March 2021

Deluxe offering is a literal box

wizfan
12-18-2020, 09:14 AM
Flippin’ ‘eck
https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/loves-secret-domain-30th-anniversary-edition

LSD triple lp March 2021

Deluxe offering is a literal box

OMFG. This makes the box of Colour Sound Oblivion look like a toy.

tricil
12-18-2020, 10:41 AM
One opportunity opened another with Danny Hyde.

Uncoiled begat Recoiled begat Backwards begat Swanyard begat that new single

the Gay Manís Guide had NASA Arab and Omlagous Garfungiloops as bonus tracks, which begat Stolen and Contaminated Songs

I guaranfuckintee that Stolen and Contaminated open the door to a questionable reissue of Loveís Secret Domain soon enough.

Hi. I called this.

eversonpoe
12-18-2020, 12:00 PM
Flippin’ ‘eck
https://infinitefog.bandcamp.com/album/loves-secret-domain-30th-anniversary-edition

LSD triple lp March 2021

Deluxe offering is a literal box


OMFG. This makes the box of Colour Sound Oblivion look like a toy.

guess i missed out on the super deluxe. how limited was it? how much was it? pretty bummed, even though i know i shouldn't spend the money right now.


Hi. I called this.

what do you think, in terms of its validity, and what the sound quality is going to be? i default to your opinion on all things COIL these days, so i trust you to tell me. is it worth getting?

tricil
12-18-2020, 12:05 PM
guess i missed out on the super deluxe. how limited was it? how much was it? pretty bummed, even though i know i shouldn't spend the money right now.



what do you think, in terms of its validity, and what the sound quality is going to be? i default to your opinion on all things COIL these days, so i trust you to tell me. is it worth getting?

Whoa thatís a high honor.

Honestly, Iíd wait on this one. Maybe something more legit will come around. In the meantime, Iím still digging MTPITD!

Leviathant
12-18-2020, 12:07 PM
I picked up the Threshold House release of LSD in 2001 or so, and was glad to have it on disc finally. Everything I've heard about Infinite Fog vinyl releases is discouraging, same with their mastering choices - and as far as unreleased demos goes, I did manage to grab the Threshold House Archives pack that had LSD stuff in it, and those CDs are a gluttony of demos, almost to a fault.

Anyhow - don't hold me to this, but I suspect that another release by a company that's licensed the material before may be worth the wait.

eversonpoe
12-18-2020, 12:15 PM
Whoa that’s a high honor.

Honestly, I’d wait on this one. Maybe something more legit will come around. In the meantime, I’m still digging MTPITD!


I picked up the Threshold House release of LSD in 2001 or so, and was glad to have it on disc finally. Everything I've heard about Infinite Fog vinyl releases is discouraging, same with their mastering choices - and as far as unreleased demos goes, I did manage to grab the Threshold House Archives pack that had LSD stuff in it, and those CDs are a gluttony of demos, almost to a fault.

Anyhow - don't hold me to this, but I suspect that another release by a company that's licensed the material before may be worth the wait.

thanks, y'all.

out of curiosity, i went to the infinite fog website to see if the shipping charge would be less than that on bandcamp...and when i hit "checkout" it said order complete. i hadn't even put in payment data. and then i got an e-mail about 10 minutes later (in all lowercase...as if i have any right to criticize that haha) telling me they'd get back to me with an invoice. i was like "i just wanted to see how much shipping would be, i didn't expect it to just put my order through" so i really hope i'm not now committed to buying a copy of this :/

tricil
12-18-2020, 12:16 PM
thanks, y'all.

out of curiosity, i went to the infinite fog website to see if the shipping charge would be less than that on bandcamp...and when i hit "checkout" it said order complete. i hadn't even put in payment data. and then i got an e-mail about 10 minutes later (in all lowercase...as if i have any right to criticize that haha) telling me they'd get back to me with an invoice. i was like "i just wanted to see how much shipping would be, i didn't expect it to just put my order through" so i really hope i'm not now committed to buying a copy of this :/

Just donít pay lol

jmtd
12-18-2020, 01:42 PM
guess i missed out on the super deluxe. how limited was it? how much was it? pretty bummed, even though i know i shouldn't spend the money right now.


From memory it was 135 euro. The description is still there the item has just moved to the bottom

eversonpoe
12-20-2020, 06:58 PM
From memory it was 135 euro. The description is still there the item has just moved to the bottom

yeah once it's sold out it doesn't tell you the price any more; a rare gripe i have with bandcamp.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/40f4494a3ba5d915e2062b5f21fd77f3/9a7ee3f60337be50-0e/s500x750/ecee511242cef03db791b80b334b1572f042875f.jpg

finally had a chance to listen to this the other day. a little sad the colorway didn't end up the way it was supposed to look (with a moon in the middle, not 2/3 of a moon at each end) and the white parts are a little noisy, but otherwise it was fantastic. the remastering was done with care, and i'm so glad to finally own it on vinyl. now bring on part 2!

jmtd
12-21-2020, 05:04 AM
Thanks for sharing the pic, it's really pretty. I love your globe lamp too. I thought it was a moon on first glance but is it the earth?

vav
12-21-2020, 08:40 PM
Ok i can finally talk about what i've been working on for the last year: In my capacity with WaxTrax! i've been project managing the 30th Anniversary release of Love's Secret Domain with Stephen Thrower. Josh Bonati did the remastering from multiple original sources, releasing on June 20, 2021 (Summer Solstice.)

Happy Winter Solstice ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7YbC_HMBQ&feature=youtu.be

jmtd
12-22-2020, 03:50 AM
Cool! Thatís listed on the infinite fog Bandcamp right? We arenít looking at two competing 30th anniversary reissues are we?

Leviathant
12-22-2020, 04:02 PM
Cool! That’s listed on the infinite fog Bandcamp right? We aren’t looking at two competing 30th anniversary reissues are we?

We are looking at two competing 30th anniversary reissues. One is going to have extra tracks by a label that's historically done a pretty poor job on remastering old audio, the other is being done in conjunction with a member of the band, is (as I read on Facebook) remastered from analog masters, with a label that retained a lot of primary material from the first time they licensed the album back in the 90s - and fookin' @vav (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=6141) has been involved. Everything to me indicates that the Wax Trax release will be the one to get - if you had to choose one or the other.

You don't have to choose!

I will say though, the album artwork on the Infinite Fog Bandcamp page for LSD is very high quality. Seems like they may actually have license to use the original artwork - not sure if it's new photography, or just a really good scan of the original photography.

vav
01-02-2021, 12:58 PM
imagine what one could do if one had, say, the original painting.

jmtd
01-02-2021, 01:13 PM
imagine what one could do if one had, say, the original painting.

Thatís a lovely teaser!

eversonpoe
01-02-2021, 11:47 PM
imagine what one could do if one had, say, the original painting.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/IjzStth5BHsuQ/giphy.gif

Prettybrokenspiral
01-07-2021, 06:35 PM
https://www.timeless-shop.com/product/the-universe-is-a-haunted-house-lunaredition/

Did anyone else manage to grab one of these? I missed the first sale, then missed another mini-sale, and was on the Coil FB group earlier today when this third wave went up, and I jumped on it. $260 later, I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight, but this will go great with CITB on my shelf, and is something to treasure forever. Apparently, this book is lovingly curated and full of juicy Coil ephemera..

There's a much cheaper standard edition available for considerably less, but the diehards are saying this Lunar Edition is the one to spring for..

Leviathant
01-07-2021, 10:21 PM
It seems like a really nicely made book full of stuff I'm just not that into. I haven't really seen many photos of what's inside, mind you, but I'm not really of the cult of Jhonn and Sleazy, you know? I'm not really craving behind-the-scenes stuff, or wanting to know about every little scribble. And despite Sleazy being part of Hipgnosis, much of the album art for Coil has struck me as kind of slapdash. But that's just me. If you're really into the ephemera, this looks like an exceptional presentation of that.

jmtd
01-08-2021, 03:25 AM
despite Sleazy being part of Hipgnosis, much of the album art for Coil has struck me as kind of slapdash

How could you say that!!!

https://img.discogs.com/GCzXstV7so-SjojpIAiYQdw13Is=/fit-in/596x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-141823-1210007527.jpeg.jpg

Now I think about it perhaps this was ahead of its time; Kanye went with a similar idea for Yeezus after all.

Prettybrokenspiral
01-08-2021, 06:58 AM
It seems like a really nicely made book full of stuff I'm just not that into. I haven't really seen many photos of what's inside, mind you, but I'm not really of the cult of Jhonn and Sleazy, you know? I'm not really craving behind-the-scenes stuff, or wanting to know about every little scribble. And despite Sleazy being part of Hipgnosis, much of the album art for Coil has struck me as kind of slapdash. But that's just me. If you're really into the ephemera, this looks like an exceptional presentation of that.

Oh man, which Coil album art do you feel that way about? Save for The Ape of Naples, I find most of their album art interesting and appropriately mysterious..

wizfan
01-08-2021, 07:00 AM
The one I dislike the most is Black Light District, because they had to ruin that beautiful art with a stock Photoshop filter. Some of their tour visuals were also kind of ugly, especially those that looked like a broken Flight Simulator demo.

Leviathant
01-08-2021, 10:35 AM
The one I dislike the most is Black Light District, because they had to ruin that beautiful art with a stock Photoshop filter. Some of their tour visuals were also kind of ugly, especially those that looked like a broken Flight Simulator demo.

I'm just going to say it out loud - the artwork for Musick to play in the Dark is cheesy as hell.

Horse Rotorvator's art never resonated with me. Black Light District's bad photoshop filters - seconded, wizfan. What is with the cowboy font on Astral Disaster?

I can put all that aside for Love's Secret Domain though. Incredible artwork, appropriate typeface. Honorable mention for the art associated with the Unreleased Themes from Hellraiser.

seasonsinthesky
01-08-2021, 10:57 PM
I agree a lot of the artwork leaves me... wanting. The Remote Viewer goats, the cheap word art text around Queens of the Circulating Library, the bizarre cartoons on Wrong Eye / Scope, the list is endless. Seems whatever mysterious and perverse direction Sleazy might have wanted got interrogated by Balance's sense of humor — or was it the other way around?

eversonpoe
01-09-2021, 01:07 AM
I agree a lot of the artwork leaves me... wanting. The Remote Viewer goats, the cheap word art text around Queens of the Circulating Library, the bizarre cartoons on Wrong Eye / Scope, the list is endless. Seems whatever mysterious and perverse direction Sleazy might have wanted got interrogated by Balance's sense of humor — or was it the other way around?

idunno but i've always loved The Ape Of Naples & Black Antlers. the two feel like they go together so well. but yeah most of the artwork is not great.

i think the live albums using photos of their stage costumes was a really good idea, though. it's extremely intriguing and a good representation of the contents therein.

Prettybrokenspiral
01-09-2021, 11:56 AM
The one I dislike the most is Black Light District, because they had to ruin that beautiful art with a stock Photoshop filter. Some of their tour visuals were also kind of ugly, especially those that looked like a broken Flight Simulator demo.

lol the BLD album cover always reminds of that cover for Brap. Vol. 3 & 4 by Skinny Puppy. I can definitely see where people would find a lot of their album covers cheesy or uninspiring. Thankfully, the music(k) on the other side of covers like MTPITD, Astral Disaster, Ape of Naples, BLD, LSD and Remote Viewer towers over them in terms of quality..

If Trent can go with a lowercase N in flames or a coil of rope for an album cover, and if Deftones can preface albums like S/T, Diamond Eyes and Ohms with shitty uninspired album covers, I’m willing to give the genius of Coil a pass in terms of..

One Coil album I will defend is Horse Rotorvator. I own an OG copy on vinyl and I just stare at that cover of the bandstand in Regent’s Park and it absorbs me whenever I play it..

jmtd
01-10-2021, 03:40 PM
I like the MTPITD cover(s). I know theyíre basically amateur renders, but they remind me of playing around with really low power render software like Vista on the Amiga in the early 90s, so theyíre pressing some unintended nostalgia buttons for me.


One Coil album I will defend is Horse Rotorvator. I own an OG copy on vinyl and I just stare at that cover of the bandstand in Regentís Park and it absorbs me whenever I play it..

Me too! Itís the only OG Coil vinyl I own.

Chuck
01-13-2021, 04:40 PM
I couldn't resist a pre-order for LSD (blue version, as I'm a little bored of splatters these days), and the book (just the normal edition at least!) which looks lovely and I'm looking forward to receiving hopefully later this month.

Since the Wax Trax news broke I've been tempted to cancel my existing pre-order, but like the Coil-obsessive idiot I am I'll probably just get it AS WELL. At least then I can decide for myself which sounds better!

wizfan
01-27-2021, 05:17 AM
https://i.imgur.com/i6mLSch.jpg

Yeah, yeah, I know, Danny Hyde cashgrab, whatever. I wanted to have this just because Wir Click Wir holds a special place in my heart and I wanted to have it on wax, even if it's a Danny remix. I bought it from my friend who runs the greatest record store in Thessaloniki (http://www.lotus.gr/). I've also bought Backwards, three metal Coil pins and two records with Coil appearances (an Aural Rage LP and a COH single) from him, but missed out on Black Light District and Astral Disaster... oh, well. Seems like I'm competing with another die-hard Coil fan in Thessaloniki, hahaha. They had actually played here in 2002 (as documented in Colour Sound Oblivion), but I was a kid back then :(

EDIT: In case you're wondering, this (https://www.discogs.com/The-Beatnigs-Television/master/113422) is the other record I bought.

r_z
01-27-2021, 07:31 AM
^Whats the story behind this "A Prison..." release? Fist time I see it.

wizfan
01-27-2021, 08:57 AM
^Whats the story behind this "A Prison..." release? Fist time I see it.

Two Backwards songs, Heaven's Blade and Wir Click Wir, remixed by Danny for a fast buck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hastily_Cobbled_Together_for_a_Fast_Buck_Album ).