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razzletiger
11-20-2011, 12:52 AM
David Fincher directs, Daniel Craig (oo-er), Rooney Mara, Christopher Plummer, and Stellan Skarsgard star, that one guy and Atticus Ross do the music. Out Dec. 21, 2011, making it the perfect holiday event to take your favorite loner goth type to. ;)

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KBPru-Pu5Q

Websites: http://www.dragontattoo.com
http://www.whatishiddeninsnow.com
http://www.comesforthinthethaw.com
http://www.mouth-taped-shut.com
This site keeps up with the ARG stuff: http://www.mentorless.com/the-girl-w...dragon-tattoo/ (http://www.mentorless.com/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo/)

Discuss here ONLY stuff related to the movie, clues to props locations, etc. Anything soundtrack-related belongs in the thread on the soundtrack.

bgalbraith
11-21-2011, 12:17 AM
Another good resource for following the TGWTDT ARG is http://www.mentorless.com/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo/. Has a collection of posts relating to the hunt, with many firsthand accounts by clue finders.

razzletiger
11-21-2011, 08:58 PM
Ooh, nice! I'll add it to the first post.

Deadpool
12-03-2011, 12:37 PM
This is pretty spoiler-heavy if you haven't read the book or seen the Swedish adaptation, but for all you film nerds out there who have, Fincher's longtime sound designer Ren Klyce talks about his job in detail here:

http://www.postmagazine.com/Press-Center/Daily-News/2011/Sound-designer-Ren-Klyce-talks-Girl-With-the-Dra.aspx

Also, there's another lengthy piece on the editing:

http://www.postmagazine.com/Publications/Post-Magazine/2011/November-1-2011/Cover-Story-The-Girl-With-the-Dragon-Tattoo.aspx


I wonder when the reviews will start to roll in.

sukey
12-04-2011, 06:37 AM
I watched the 8 minute trailer the other day, and I'm super excited for this. I've loved the books since they came out, and then also the Swedish films, which I thought definitely did justice to the books, especially with Lisbeth. I hope Rooney Mara is fierce enough.

richardp
12-04-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm currently reading the book, and I must say, I may be in the minority here, but I think that the book is incredibly boring. I've seen the Swedish Trilogy, and loved the movies, but I just cannot get into the book. Although, I'm definitely super excited about Fincher's remake. Normally I don't care about American remakes, but with Fincher being my favorite director and TR&AR involved, I can't not be excited. Had they not been involved with the project, though, I most likely wouldn't care about it and would just stick with the swedish trilogy.

[Shep]
12-04-2011, 04:26 PM
I'm currently reading the book, and I must say, I may be in the minority here, but I think that the book is incredibly boring. I've seen the Swedish Trilogy, and loved the movies, but I just cannot get into the book.

How far are you into it? it took me about a third of the way through for things to start getting really good.

richardp
12-04-2011, 05:19 PM
;4208']How far are you into it? it took me about a third of the way through for things to start getting really good.

About 25% through it. Mikael just moved onto Hedestad. I feel like the film had FAR more Lisbeth by this point than the book. It feels like there's only been 2 chapters so far about her.

quasar
12-04-2011, 11:30 PM
it'll grow on you. first third is really kinda boring with all that "business stuff".

eskimo
12-05-2011, 12:28 AM
Yeah, I'm about half way through the third now, the second was absolutely fantastic.

The first took a while to get going, but once it does....it's amazing.

ubermensch
12-05-2011, 06:56 AM
I'm currently reading the book, and I must say, I may be in the minority here, but I think that the book is incredibly boring. I've seen the Swedish Trilogy, and loved the movies, but I just cannot get into the book. Although, I'm definitely super excited about Fincher's remake. Normally I don't care about American remakes, but with Fincher being my favorite director and TR&AR involved, I can't not be excited. Had they not been involved with the project, though, I most likely wouldn't care about it and would just stick with the swedish trilogy.





I thought the book was pretty awesome. It just doesnt come together until you are a couple hundred pages into it.

marodi
12-05-2011, 12:43 PM
Sony doesn't want reviews of TGWTDT to come off early (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/sony-tries-to-keep-review-lid-on-finchers-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo)...

which means that it's of course available online today. (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2011/12/12/111212crci_cinema_denby)

It's not much of a review anyway. Note the date on that article, by the way.

mirp
12-05-2011, 01:42 PM
I haven't read the book, but I found the original film quite dull. I don't usually like the idea of Hollywood remakes of foreign films, but I really think David Fincher could do a better job with it. I'm really excited to see what he does with it, especially since serial killer material is what he does best. I think the score is going to work wonderfully with the film.

mostlymad
12-06-2011, 03:20 AM
Upon hearing about the film, I really wasn't too interested, since crime thrillers aren't my thing. However, it was in the book section at work and I kept sampling it. Finally bought a cheap copy, and trudged slowly through the first part, got triggered by old wounds come Salander's story, but there were enough hints and intrigues to keep me going back to read more. Didn't think I'd read the second, but did, loved it, and working on the third now. Salander is like a part of me in many ways, and so the movie has really become important for me to see. All this in 9 short months. I'm hooked on the trilogy.

fillow
12-06-2011, 06:41 AM
Is there any talk about Fincher doing 2nd and 3rd movies too? I'm now 1/3 into the third book and I must say it gets much more cinematic as the story grows. Much more action and not just countless flashbacks and research, which the entire first half of the first book was.

NIN64
12-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Keeps getting stranger and stranger. (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/06/strange-and-amazing-dragon-tattoo-related-video-watch-the-mysterious-nine-minute-hard-copy-tribute-here-exclusive-video/)

Jon
12-06-2011, 01:46 PM
Sony doesn't want reviews of TGWTDT to come off early (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/sony-tries-to-keep-review-lid-on-finchers-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo)...

which means that it's of course available online today. (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2011/12/12/111212crci_cinema_denby)

It's not much of a review anyway. Note the date on that article, by the way.

and he got a ban for it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/david-denby-vs-scott-rudin-dragon-tattoo_n_1128937.html)

darktemplar007
12-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Keeps getting stranger and stranger. (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/06/strange-and-amazing-dragon-tattoo-related-video-watch-the-mysterious-nine-minute-hard-copy-tribute-here-exclusive-video/)
That was amazing.

Jon
12-06-2011, 06:03 PM
I know it's early (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/06/oscar-predictions-national-board-of-review-dc-critics/#more-55025)

Goldfoot
12-06-2011, 08:50 PM
Is there any talk about Fincher doing 2nd and 3rd movies too? I'm now 1/3 into the third book and I must say it gets much more cinematic as the story grows. Much more action and not just countless flashbacks and research, which the entire first half of the first book was.

I figured he wouldn't sign on to do one unless he could do all three, but I don't have any proof of that whatsoever.

I've been excited for this since I found out Fincher was attached, and then even moreso when the Reznor/Ross combo was added. I haven't read any of the books, and I've heard mixed reviews on them. I don't normally listen to reviews, though, so I'll read them I'm sure, and then watch the Swedish films. With the trailer and TV spots, as well as the MTS business, I've become really excited for this. I've been following MTS since a little before the clues started popping up and have really been hoping for a Detroit drop. I was sure the Hard Copy video would have a clue for another drop today, but since it hasn't been found yet, I doubt there is any. It was a nice little treat to see Eric Lange in the video.

Jon
12-06-2011, 10:10 PM
David Fincher weighed in on the whole David Denby debacle, too (http://www.miami.com/fincher-david-denby-film-critics-and-embargoes-article)

Torgo
12-06-2011, 10:29 PM
David Fincher weighed in on the whole David Denby debacle, too (http://www.miami.com/fincher-david-denby-film-critics-and-embargoes-article)


The ordeal is a bit of a bummer, but on the other hand - GTD is getting an exuberant amount of press over this ordeal. Given the movie's status, I'd also assume that website reviewers won't be shy in hiding their opinions about the film even thoughThe New Yorker 'got to it first'. It's going to be an Oscar contender in some form or another (hopefully), and I don't think even Armond White would miss a chance to shit his thoughts all over the movie. However, I am in no way defending David Denby's deplorable decision to print his article early - even if it was favorable. A signed promise is a signed promise in Hollywood - and if you break that... you're up shit creak and could potentially put a lot of other people in the same fantastically smelly situation.

october_midnight
12-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Exclusive GQ video. (http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2011-12/06/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo-video-exclusive)

m0reta
12-09-2011, 08:39 PM
Woo Screenings (http://www.whatishiddeninsnow.com/mts_exclusive_screenings/faq.html)!



Join us for an exclusive screening event next week at the following locations:


Austin, TX 12/12 at 10PM
Chicago, IL 12/12 at 10PM
Los Angeles, CA 12/12 at 10PM
New York, NY 12/12 at 10PM
San Francisco, CA 12/12 at 10PM
Toronto, CAD 12/12 at 10PM
London, UK 12/12 at 11:59PM
Stockholm, SE 12/15 at 11:59PM

For up to the minute details on how to get tickets, follow us (https://twitter.com/mouthtapedshut).
Information on how to get tickets for US and UK locations will be tweeted on Saturday, 12/10.
Information on how to get tickets for Stockholm will be tweeted on Monday, 12/11.
You must be over 17 to attend a screening.


Alas for Florida...

Deadpool
12-09-2011, 09:42 PM
Wow, early screenings. If I end up getting tickets for NYC, that could make up me missing the HARD x MOUTHTAPEDSHUT event, which I RSVP'd for but don't think I'll be able to make. Honestly, at this point I could wait for the movie, and kind of want to, but being among the first to see it (and hopefully getting some free swag) is still super appealing.

sheepdean
12-09-2011, 10:17 PM
Do I go to it and risk missing my appointment at the Job Centre?

Yes, yes I will.

AgentofChaos
12-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Just scored passes to the Toronto screening on Monday.

sheepdean
12-10-2011, 01:09 PM
Just scored passes to the Toronto screening on Monday.
I think I was first to grab ones for London, the pile looked untouched!

Deadpool
12-10-2011, 01:57 PM
Good for you guys! Looks like we'll be getting fan reviews before a lot of the official critics' stuff is published. My assumption was that this would be another internet contest like the 8-minute previews. It's cooler, and probably more fair, that you have to pick them up in person - which in my case, means I won't be driving an hour+ into NYC to be disappointed. I really fucking want some merch/swag from this movie, though, dammit.

botley
12-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Just scored passes to the Toronto screening on Monday.
So did I! Looked like there were lots left, Toronto peeps. Get up there!

nin3414
12-10-2011, 03:33 PM
Just posted in the other thread but if anyone picking up tickets to the SF screening can grab two more it would be greatly appreciated. I can't make the five hour trip today since it's finals weekend. Hope someone sees this! Thanks!

sheepdean
12-10-2011, 03:51 PM
Just posted in the other thread but if anyone picking up tickets to the SF screening can grab two more it would be greatly appreciated. I can't make the five hour trip today since it's finals weekend. Hope someone sees this! Thanks!
It's 2 tickets per person, sorry

sheepdean
12-10-2011, 03:52 PM
Good for you guys! Looks like we'll be getting fan reviews before a lot of the official critics' stuff is published. My assumption was that this would be another internet contest like the 8-minute previews. It's cooler, and probably more fair, that you have to pick them up in person - which in my case, means I won't be driving an hour+ into NYC to be disappointed. I really fucking want some merch/swag from this movie, though, dammit.
Fincher gets really fucking annoyed when people release reviews early - I get the feeling we'll be asked not to reveal too much.

jessamineny
12-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Fincher gets really fucking annoyed when people release reviews early - I get the feeling we'll be asked not to reveal too much.

The screenings are only nine days before the film opens. That's not early for reviews.

Malechite
12-10-2011, 04:31 PM
Look like Pequena will be seeing TGWTDT in Toronto!

http://i.imgur.com/9GlpR.jpg

razzletiger
12-10-2011, 05:21 PM
Yay for Pequena!!

Also, yeah, if people aren't sworn to absolute secrecy about the screening, then please do come back and tell us what you think! I'm stupidly excited for this movie.

punish7
12-10-2011, 05:40 PM
I scored a ticket! LA!

AgentofChaos
12-10-2011, 06:13 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388406_10150429675402473_503357472_8829259_1212374 134_n.jpg

Not that it really matters but kinda cool!

sheepdean
12-10-2011, 07:14 PM
Mine had my name written on it instead, I assume to prevent resales (although I wish in retrospect I'd had them write sheepdean on it)

jessamineny
12-10-2011, 08:44 PM
I get the feeling we'll be asked not to reveal too much.


Also, yeah, if people aren't sworn to absolute secrecy about the screening, then please do come back and tell us what you think! I'm stupidly excited for this movie.

No worries. They have free screenings like this because they want you all to talk. They're hoping that you'll be free, viral publicity.

pequena
12-10-2011, 10:49 PM
Look like Pequena will be seeing TGWTDT in Toronto!

http://i.imgur.com/9GlpR.jpg
Would it be tacky to go wearing a NIN shirt? ;p

richardp
12-11-2011, 12:48 AM
This is odd:
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/academy/foryourconsideration/?film=girlwiththedragontattoo

Looks like Rooney Mara isn't even up for consideration for Lisbeth.

Zipfinator
12-11-2011, 12:54 AM
This is odd:
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/academy/foryourconsideration/?film=girlwiththedragontattoo

Looks like Rooney Mara isn't even up for consideration for Lisbeth.

Well that's disappointing... There was another press release somewhere that said she was going for best actress. Maybe they just forgot to list it in that one somehow?

Jon
12-11-2011, 01:50 AM
Here, have some reading material (http://www.whatishiddeninsnow.com/images/Millennium.pdf) to help kill some time till the movie comes out

Triggermine
12-11-2011, 02:29 AM
Well that's disappointing... There was another press release somewhere that said she was going for best actress. Maybe they just forgot to list it in that one somehow?

Yeah... It seems odd to have entries in "Best Actor," "Best Supporting Actor," and "Best Supporting Actress," but no "Best Actress."

richardp
12-12-2011, 02:17 PM
They must have just forgotten to add that category, as her for Best Actress is now on the list.

RocketScience
12-12-2011, 03:00 PM
Scored a ticket for the Stockholm screening. Brought two unknowing friends along and they were given tickets too, quite baffled they were xD. Super psyched.

richardp
12-13-2011, 01:53 AM
So, everyone who got a ticket, how awesome was it?

botley
12-13-2011, 01:57 AM
Went to the Toronto preview screening. Sat up close (not uncomfortably so, except when it was supposed to be...) and I was blown away. Very impressed by the entire ensemble cast, the attention to detail, the gutsy choices. Oh, and the pacing is absolutely relentless; it's a long movie, but it just flies by and demands your attention. This is a lock for any of the post-production Oscars for which it receives nominations. Get to a cinema and see it — and if the opening credit crawl isn't ear-splittingly loud then ask them to turn it up!

Also finally met Morad! What a great human man he is. On another note... I gotta go cuddle with my cat now.

pequena
12-13-2011, 02:19 AM
Bla-DOW!
http://i44.tinypic.com/23rk36x.jpg

If I recall correctly, and as Malechite reminded me, the stock is similar to the Wave Goodbye posters.

razzletiger
12-13-2011, 02:22 AM
JEALOUS.

Also, I'll just take this opportunity to remind everyone that we have a spoiler code now, so if you feel like talking about the finer details, please please please use it. <3

Morad
12-13-2011, 02:24 AM
I'm so glad I met Botley at the screening. We've been planning to meet for over a year now, and it was such a great privilege to finally get to meet him. I love this forum.

I find it incredible how David Fincher and Steven Zaillian took the material from such a flawed and cringe-inducing book and turned it into a great movie. Even though the film was long in regards to running-time, it didn't feel like it at all. The pacing was perfect, and the script was pretty much free of all the cliches, coincidences, and the awful dialogue that impaired the book itself. I have yet to watch the Swedish adaptation, but by reading the synopsis to it, they borrowed only one chief scene from it (hint: "explosion"). TR and AR's (I love how Atticus has his own abbreviation now) score was just as great as you imagine in the movie, but it was much less exposed than it was in The Social Network. It didn't drive this movie like it did TSN, but I still can't imagine the film functioning without the score.

Also, the opening credits with "Immigrant Song" playing over it is shiver-inducing and amazing. I just remember I looked at my friend right after it ended, and we just stared at each other with our mouthes wide open.

Fincher is probably the most stylish director of our day; the direction is smooth and natural, and the performances were fantastic. This is probably Craig's best performance since Casino Royale; and Rooney Mara and Stellan Skarsgard were terrific too.

sheepdean
12-13-2011, 02:47 AM
Wait, the posters have the cities on them? I just grabbed 3 and walked off into the night *goes to check*

London's is pretty different, I'll get a pic in a bit

Dinki Di
12-13-2011, 02:52 AM
Went to the Austin screening. Amazing film and the music was perfect throughout. Never in the foreground, always in the background. I think I will need to think about it a little more so I can give a good review. Oh yeah, they held a raffle with our ticket stubs for one of the metal razorblade posters.

Here is one that everyone in the theater got....
http://i56.tinypic.com/nlvjvk.jpg

sheepdean
12-13-2011, 02:57 AM
The only thing I didn't like about the film was the product placement. Either every single person in Sweden drinks coke and uses Apples, or they broke suspension of disbelief to flog us shit.

pequena
12-13-2011, 03:01 AM
The only thing I didn't like about the film was the product placement. Either every single person in Sweden drinks coke and uses Apples, or they broke suspension of disbelief to flog us shit.
Don't forget Happy Meals ;)

sheepdean
12-13-2011, 03:03 AM
Don't forget Happy Meals ;)
The first time she had one, I thought "cute, they're adding her childishness within her psyche to the film". The third time, I thought "I want Burger King".

Miss.Selfdestruct
12-13-2011, 03:33 AM
gross, i don't recall this story taking place in america :x

Zipfinator
12-13-2011, 04:02 AM
gross, i don't recall this story taking place in america :x

They have McDonalds in Sweden you know... Mikael even eats there in the book once.

punish7
12-13-2011, 04:52 AM
Just got back from the LA showing. The movie was good and a few people showed up to watch it with us... Trent Reznor, Mariqueen Reznor, Rob Sheridan, Tamar Levine, Jordie White and Alan Moulder. It was pretty cool having them all there!

fillow
12-13-2011, 08:27 AM
They have McDonalds in Sweden you know... Mikael even eats there in the book once.
As does Lisbeth, more than once (counting all books)

botley
12-13-2011, 08:33 AM
The only thing I didn't like about the film was the product placement. Either every single person in Sweden drinks coke and uses Apples, or they broke suspension of disbelief to flog us shit.
Don't forget Marlboro... it's been a while since a movie actually made me crave cigarettes (and I don't even smoke them). It wasn't everyone in Sweden using those brands, either, just the likable people. Is it practical for hackers to use MacBooks? I actually have no idea.

This didn't really break my suspension of disbelief because it makes sense that Lisbeth was raised on bad food and finds it comforting. I did occasionally think about how much of the budget each corporation paid for, but that's standard Hollywood. At least the choices are for a reason.

konstantin
12-13-2011, 08:40 AM
so far the only negative review at rottentomatoes.com: http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo/5965

sounds like it's a good movie (considering it's based on pulp fiction) if you haven't seen the Swedish version. otherwise it may seem unnecessary (my initial concerns). i'll be seeing it anyway.

sheepdean
12-13-2011, 10:11 AM
so far the only negative review at rottentomatoes.com: http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo/5965

sounds like it's a good movie (considering it's based on pulp fiction) if you haven't seen the Swedish version. otherwise it may seem unnecessary (my initial concerns). i'll be seeing it anyway.
Woah, pulp fiction? The books are brilliant!

botley
12-13-2011, 10:56 AM
Woah, pulp fiction? The books are brilliant!
I dunno if "brilliant" is how I'd describe a book that does everything to stop you reading it in the first three chapters, but if you say so.

A more scholarly, in-depth review (http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/in-the-process-of-the-investigation-david-fincher-and-the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo) (mild spoilers).

konstantin
12-13-2011, 10:57 AM
i haven't read the books (and not planning to), but i've watched all 3 swedish movies. the way the crime gets solved in the first movie is borderline banal (if you stare long enough at the evidence you'll solve the crime!). what makes it interesting is the general subject matter of misogyny (not typically covered), the over the top violence (borderline exploitative?), and there are nazis!!!

and i don't know how closely the 2nd and 3rd movies followed the books but the writing was laughable.

edit: /\ that review above made me rather excited. the "process" is definitely something Fincher fondly cares about.

richardp
12-13-2011, 01:17 PM
In regards to the product placement, the book specifically mentions Apple Computers any chance it gets. So it wasn't really Fincher doing that. It's even the same way in the Swedish film.

sheepdean
12-13-2011, 01:32 PM
In regards to the product placement, the book specifically mentions Apple Computers any chance it gets. So it wasn't really Fincher doing that. It's even the same way in the Swedish film.
Fincher is known for placement though, and he could've easily bought far cheaper computers for the film and even the biggest book nerds wouldn't've cared

NIN64
12-13-2011, 01:59 PM
Looks like the release date has been bumped a day early. (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/13/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo-dec-20/)

JamesKKelly
12-13-2011, 05:38 PM
Empire UK's review is up.. Can't wait. http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137111

bobbie solo
12-14-2011, 02:31 AM
Just got back from the LA showing. The movie was good and a few people showed up to watch it with us... Trent Reznor, Mariqueen Reznor, Rob Sheridan, Tamar Levine, Jordie White and Alan Moulder. It was pretty cool having them all there!

hey cool, i hate u.

Horican
12-14-2011, 02:59 AM
I can't access spotify where I live. Would anybody be kind enough to type down the "mouth taped shut's hidden in snow spotify playlist" in here? Thank you

RocketScience
12-14-2011, 06:47 AM
I can't access spotify where I live. Would anybody be kind enough to type down the "mouth taped shut's hidden in snow spotify playlist" in here? Thank you

Proxy – Raven - Live Edit
Major Lazer – Original Don
The Bloody Beetroots – Church Of Noise - Radio Edit
Soulwax – Another Excuse - DFA Remix
Major Lazer – Hold The Line feat. Mr. Lex & Santigold
Miike Snow – Animal
Sebastian Ingrosso – Lick My Deck - Original Edit
The Bloody Beetroots – New Noise
Groove Armada – Get Down
Carbon Community – Community Funk - Deadmau5 Re-Edit
Axwell – Together - Tocadisco Remix
LCD Soundsystem – Tribulations
Beardyman – Where Does Your Mind Go? - Doorly Remix
Noisia – Split The Atom
Proxy – Dance In Dark

leo3375
12-16-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm seeing this after work on Tuesday. I'll be at the Mall of America in a NIN t-shirt.

punish7
12-16-2011, 05:58 AM
hey cool, i hate u.

haters gonna hate!

sukey
12-16-2011, 06:33 AM
"Fincher even alludes to the stereotype in a scene from Dragon Tattoo, when a disheveled, long-haired overweight hacker, who's helping Lisbeth Salander (Rooney Mara) with her spyware, makes his entrance wearing a NIN T-shirt. Reznor had to sign off on the cameo. "I told Fincher, 'Look, man, do what you gotta do -- let's keep this as accurate as possible,' " he says with a laugh."

I love this! So excited to see the mooovie.

MAD
12-16-2011, 08:59 AM
I read all the reviews I could get my hands on and I must say that I really want to see the movie as David imagined it. I haven't read the books though I tried, but couldn't finish the first one because it was too boring for me => I haven't seen the other movies either.

So basically, the two things that convinced me to go see the movie are: David and his awesome filming techniques and action sequences and the score by TR|AR.

Wretchedest
12-16-2011, 12:59 PM
I know I'm super out of the loop on this somehow, but does Fincher plan to do the two sequels? and is Trent on that too?

onthewall2983
12-16-2011, 01:13 PM
We need to consider that the movie might not make enough money to inspire the studio to greenlight a sequel in the first place.

leo3375
12-16-2011, 01:52 PM
I know I'm super out of the loop on this somehow, but does Fincher plan to do the two sequels? and is Trent on that too?

Although there are scripts written for The Girl Who Played With Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest, they currently don't have a director, and it's a little soon to line up composers. Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara have committed to reprising their roles in these adaptations, which have all but been green-lit, but no other actors form Dragon Tattoo have signed on yet.

RocketScience
12-16-2011, 04:42 PM
Saw it last night. Boy did I love it. Thought it was heaps better than the Swedish movie. The pacing didn't seem rushed as was the case with the swedish original. Both Mara and Craig were wonderful as Lisbeth and Blomqvist respectively and dare I say I liked Mara's Lisbeth more than Rapace's although I was never a fan of the latter. The way David and Jeff Cronenweth captured the Swedish winter I thought was brilliant. Cold and bleak, it was all there and Trenticuss sure as shit added to the genuine portrayal of the overall wintery landscape of Sweden.

I was sort of hesitant at first when I heard that Sony were making their own version of Dragon Tattoo though when I heard that Fincher was attached I, like many others here, had a change of heart. If Fincher found Zaillian's script interesting enough to want to direct then surely this project must be of substance. Of course it only added to my hype when I heard the news that TR&AR were scoring. All along I'd been wanting them to score this film more than The Social Network. I'm really happy with how this film turned out and I wouldn't bother at all if didn't win any awards this coming awards season as my opinion of the movie is that it's one of the best I've seen this year.

Minor complaint. It's a spoiler for both this film and the second book in the series.
This is something the Swedish version also was guilty of. I hate the fact that they pretty much spoiled one of the big reveals of the second book and a major event in Lisbeth's past life. How wise is it really to pretty much give away something that's been built up to all along in the book? Even more silly is the fact that it isn't even an adaptation of the second. They could've pretty much kept the story as is without having that one bit but still they went for it, just because it was so in the Swedish film? Makes no sense to me.

onthewall2983
12-16-2011, 10:43 PM
Is anyone else going to wait until they see the movie to buy the soundtrack?

Goldfoot
12-16-2011, 10:47 PM
Is anyone else going to wait until they see the movie to buy the soundtrack?

I'm pretty sure I'm getting the OST for Xmas, but I'm not even asking for the download link because I am waiting to see the film. So basically, to answer your question, yes. I never listen to the music to any film before seeing it, especially ones that are from people I am fans of.

onthewall2983
12-16-2011, 11:02 PM
The sampler is good enough for now for me. I think the only way I'd ever listen to it beforehand is if I had absolutely no interest in the movie.

GoodSoldier333
12-16-2011, 11:04 PM
Fucking spoilers. Why i look, i don't fucking know. fuck.

Goldfoot
12-16-2011, 11:58 PM
Fucking spoilers. Why i look, i don't fucking know. fuck.

I think I'm going to go back to my old way of hiding spoilers. Like this. While it's nice that there is a designated tag, all you have to do is accidentally scroll over these and it shows up. I like having to highlight to see what is hidden. After I replied to this thread earlier, as I was going to scroll to the top my mouse hovered over the spoiler that RocketScience posted. I'm not sure why, but I almost started to read it.

bgalbraith
12-17-2011, 12:10 AM
I'm planning on seeing this at ICON in Chicago on Tuesday if anyone else is gonna be around.

GoodSoldier333
12-17-2011, 01:27 AM
I think I'm going to go back to my old way of hiding spoilers. Like this. While it's nice that there is a designated tag, all you have to do is accidentally scroll over these and it shows up. I like having to highlight to see what is hidden. After I replied to this thread earlier, as I was going to scroll to the top my mouse hovered over the spoiler that RocketScience posted. I'm not sure why, but I almost started to read it.

Very good point.

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
12-17-2011, 03:32 AM
Either it holds up when you know how it's going to play out, or it's probably a bunch of shit. I don't know how many times I've seen 'Bad News Bears' but I still get emotional watching the thing. We feel cheated, on the other hand, if we learn the twist to M. Night Shyamalan movies, because they're turds otherwise.

There's also this contentious bit: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/

Lutz
12-17-2011, 05:14 AM
We need to consider that the movie might not make enough money to inspire the studio to greenlight a sequel in the first place.

And they would only have themselves to blame. This could have easily been a $50 million made blockbuster instead of a $100 million made medium performer (which will remain to be seen).

Consider that Tarantino made both parts of Kill Bill for half the price of the new Dragon Tattoo or that all three films in the original Dragon Tattoo trilogy were made for a quarter the price of this one movie. Does this kind of movie need anything more than those films had? If directors like Paul Verhoeven, Michael Mann or Brian De Palma get a $50 million budget that is huge and their films look spectacular! Why does Fincher need more to make a good quality movie?

hobochic
12-17-2011, 06:51 AM
Newspaper Metro in Sweden reviewed Dragon Tattoo yesterday. They gave it 4/5 stars and mentioned THA MUSIIIIIIIC! Said that one will notice the director's trademarks in, among other things, "the dark undertones, which, like Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross's music, chafe against the impression of superficial perfectionism."
The reviewer also mentioned the NIN shirt of legend. Exclamation point and all. Methinks she's a fan.

I also liked how the reviewer nitpicked on the "selling of cigarettes over the counter in swedish cafés" and the strange relocations of Stockholm's geography. If the movie still takes place in 2005 it's understandable with the cigarettes, since the Swedish smoking ban entered in june of 2005. So the question is, during what period of 2005 does the movie take place, winter/spring or autumn/winter?

Nitpick that.

botley
12-17-2011, 10:37 AM
^ It takes place over a whole year: December to December.


Consider that Tarantino made both parts of Kill Bill for half the price of the new Dragon Tattoo or that all three films in the original Dragon Tattoo trilogy were made for a quarter the price of this one movie. Does this kind of movie need anything more than those films had? If directors like Paul Verhoeven, Michael Mann or Brian De Palma get a $50 million budget that is huge and their films look spectacular! Why does Fincher need more to make a good quality movie?
He doesn't; The Social Network cost much less. And people still griped about how it cost way more than The King's Speech. I find this criticism is pretty ignorant of the Hollywood process.

blassster
12-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Nearly an hour long interview with David Fincher, Daniel Craig, Rooney Mara, Christopher Plummer, Robin Wright and Stellan Skarsgard: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12037

Talks about TR/AR briefly, and initial stage conversations about making things sound cold and icy by using bell sounds.

Lutz
12-18-2011, 02:07 AM
^ It takes place over a whole year: December to December.


He doesn't; The Social Network cost much less. And people still griped about how it cost way more than The King's Speech. I find this criticism is pretty ignorant of the Hollywood process.

Yes and I figured out exactly where I am ignorant today when I saw the trailer for TINKER TAILOR SOLDIER SPY in front of my movie at the local arthouse. The audience for a smaller budget Hollywood remake of Dragon Tattoo already saw the original Swedish version.

wizfan
12-18-2011, 03:20 PM
The sequels will be shot back-to-back http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=23619&count=0

Cat Mom
12-19-2011, 11:40 PM
Roger Ebert weighs in:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111219/REVIEWS/111219982

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
12-20-2011, 08:24 AM
The A.V. Club review:

There is no director more ideally suited to adapt Stieg Larsson’s best-selling potboiler The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo than David Fincher, and not just for the obvious reason that he knows his way around the serial-killer thriller... The real question is this: Is the material worthy of him?
Something I've been worried about, and disappointing to see that, to the A.V. Club at least, I was right to do so.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo,66849/

sentient02970
12-20-2011, 10:59 AM
The Importance Of Title Sequences In Movies (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1174230/the_importance_of_title_sequences_in_the_movies.ht ml) Amen.

NIN64
12-20-2011, 09:25 PM
Sitting in the theatre waiting for the 10pm show. Scott Weiland's Christmas album just came over the Muzak....

ltrandazzo
12-20-2011, 09:38 PM
Again. We really need to get on that like button, because I'd like the post above mine.

bgalbraith
12-20-2011, 11:46 PM
Best 2.5 hour buildup to hear Trent's Phil Collins impression in a theatre ever! ;)

Seriously though, the film was great. Go see it.

richardp
12-20-2011, 11:55 PM
I might be biased due to David Fincher and Trent Reznor's involvement, but I enjoyed it more than the swedish version. Naturally, Noomi Rapace vs. Rooney Mara will be debated for ages, but I actually liked Rooney Mara's portrayal better, as well. David Fincher also changed a few things in his version, including the "big reveal" as well as expanding upon the ending. Where the swedish film quickly wrapped up, this one continued on for another 10 minutes or so, adding a bit more character development to Lisbeth, which I enjoyed. Basically though, since I can't finish the book, I don't know if Fincher's changes were more true to the book, or if they were the screenwriter's own ideas. Long story short, though, it's awesome and I liked it better than the Swedish version.

Also, it felt like only about half of the score was actually used in the film. It was really fun pinpointing what tracks were associated with what scenes.

bgalbraith
12-21-2011, 12:09 AM
It was really fun pinpointing what tracks were associated with what scenes.

I especially liked the use of Infiltrator

richardp
12-21-2011, 01:12 AM
Did anyone else catch this clever little poke/homage, if you will, to the swedish film?:

In the Swedish film, when it's discovered that it was Martin that Harriet saw on the other side of the street, he is wearing a light blue sweater, and in David Fincher's version, right there in the middle of the picture is a boy wearing the exact same bright blue sweater. But instead, Martin's over on the left hidden behind an umbrella.

leo3375
12-21-2011, 02:12 AM
Yeah, I noticed that, too!

Also, I had a feeling that Harriet would turn out to be living as Anita. When I heard the ending was different this was the only logical outcome. Harriet can't be dead in order for the story to really work.

ltrandazzo
12-21-2011, 03:11 AM
Really liked this flick a lot. David Fincher is the king of movie pacing, hands down. Zodiac, Benjamin Button & The Social Network had long running times, but like those, I never felt like the story was dragging or felt boredom setting in. I've seen the Swedish version as well and... well, it's nothing against Noomi, but I liked Rooney as Lisbeth slightly better, but mostly because I felt that Lisbeth was much stronger in this than in the Swedish version.

uroboros
12-21-2011, 06:31 AM
David Fincher Nay-Saying commencing:

In the cases of Zodiac, Ben Button, TSN, & GDT I asked myself, "Why are there SO many montages?", "Why do I care?" &, eventually, "Is there no end?" /end nay-saying.

xfocalinx
12-21-2011, 04:32 PM
Saw it last night. Fucking AMAZING. no doubt.

I got chills at LEAST 5 times..So amazing.

Semi-spoilers (?):

Did anybody else notice the 2(maybe only 1) NIN Easter Eggs hidden in the film?? as soon as I saw the first one, I shrieked.

deathundothee
12-21-2011, 06:19 PM
Going to see it soon. I convinced the S.O. to go because it is filmed with a RED (http://www.red.com/experience) camera and he's been nerding out on those for months.

sheepdean
12-21-2011, 06:30 PM
Saw it last night. Fucking AMAZING. no doubt.

I got chills at LEAST 5 times..So amazing.

Semi-spoilers (?):

Did anybody else notice the 2(maybe only 1) NIN Easter Eggs hidden in the film?? as soon as I saw the first one, I shrieked.
One was kind of obvious, what was the latter?

Emil Dorbell
12-21-2011, 06:57 PM
Just got back from seeing it, in Sweden. The fake swedish accents are really weird sometimes and got a lot of laughs. I missed quite a few tracks... like Orraculum, I was waiting for that the whole time, never showed. All in all, it wasn't as good as I would've hoped, but still well worth the price of admission. Some scenes were absolutely amazing, like when they first get to the mansion. The editing got a bit weird at times, when they seem to jump from snow to green leaves, then back to trees without leaves.

Also, the Bond style intro was cool as fuck.

Collin
12-21-2011, 08:30 PM
I thought it was great. Fincher's quick-paced style complemented the complexity and adrenaline of the plot. Also, it was WAY better the Swedish version. Rooney Mara will get nominated for Best Actress at the Oscars. Trent's Score was worked well in. However, many songs were used twice and a few were recorded differently then how they are presented on the soundtrack. Specifically, I remember Hidden In Snow and What If We Could? were either played with different instruments or just higher. Plus "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" had a different mix, they put a lot of reverb on Mariqueen's voice.

sentient02970
12-21-2011, 10:28 PM
Just got home from the theater. Loved this movie so much. So many great elements. My favorite part? Purell.

xfocalinx
12-21-2011, 11:08 PM
One was kind of obvious, what was the latter?


I'm 70% sure plague was wearing a "[With_Teeth]" hat towards the end. only 70% sure though

Zipfinator
12-22-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm 70% sure plague was wearing a "[With_Teeth]" hat towards the end. only 70% sure though

He was. He was also wearing the With Teeth hat when he was wearing the NIN shirt though.

As for the movie, I quite enjoyed it. I don't feel that the score was used to its full potential though. They re-used quite a few songs while many were never used and certain songs didn't seem to get the time they deserved. For example, Great Bird of Prey was used a few times towards the end but it never got a full build up through the song. It would have fit the end of the dungeon scene through the chase scene perfectly but they only used the end part of it there.

richardp
12-22-2011, 01:26 AM
Just got back from seeing it, in Sweden. The fake swedish accents are really weird sometimes and got a lot of laughs.

How are Swedish audiences taking to the film? Is it kind of unanimous that the original films are better, because they're your countries original take on the stories, or are people kind of warm to idea of this version, and these new portrayals of the characters?

exilajei
12-22-2011, 01:35 AM
What a great movie. I don't think Fincher can do any wrong. Score worked really well, and didn't seem as invasive as the Social Network music did... although that was still fantastic. I was transfixed the entire time.

Really hope everyone comes back for the sequels.

perceptionnexus
12-22-2011, 02:30 AM
Kinda, not really spoiler: anyone know the song playing when lisbeth visits plague the first time?

Avarik
12-22-2011, 02:41 AM
Kinda, not really spoiler: anyone know the song playing when lisbeth visits plague the first time?

I also would like to know this.

gorny540
12-22-2011, 02:53 AM
Awesome movie, didn't do any background on the movie (on purpose) so the beginning was quite hectic, but it really smoothed out and you got hooked to the story as it went on. The soundtrack is amazing, but yes I didn't feel like the score was used as well as it was in The Social Network, but maybe it wasn't meant to standout as much. Either way its funny how everyone here dissects the score, while when you watch any other movie the score isn't nearly as important as it is when Trent is doing it

JessicaSarahS
12-22-2011, 03:25 AM
Either way its funny how everyone here dissects the score, while when you watch any other movie the score isn't nearly as important as it is when Trent is doing it

There are some scores that I really dissect and listen to after watching a movie, but I always do my best to wait to listen to the music in depth after I watch a movie, or else I'll be annoyed with small edits and nuances like some of the people above. Not that it's a bad thing, I think it's great to discuss that level of detail. But I think it takes away from that initial feeling of a first viewing. But have at it for subsequent viewings, fo sho.

razzletiger
12-22-2011, 04:18 AM
It's been in a lot of interviews with Trent lately that Fincher wanted the score to have elements of background noises, like the floor buffer or church bells tolling from far away. I think the goal with integrating the score into the film was always to make it less noticeable, much more part of the background, than the score for The Social Network. It works better that way, in my opinion, because it's more about complimenting the bleak, washed out scenes in front of you, instead of helping drive the scene's emotions like in the Social Network.

Like most of you, I also found it absolutely fantastic. I loved how they kept the story fairly true to the book (the few things they changed made sense to me, so I was okay with those), and Rooney Mara was fantastic. I really hope Fincher and Steve Zaillian agree to do the rest because I don't think anyone else can come after them and make the next books into movies nearly as well.

Jinsai
12-22-2011, 04:51 AM
It's been in a lot of interviews with Trent lately that Fincher wanted the score to have elements of background noises, like the floor buffer

That effect with the floor buffer was pretty great. And in response to the claim that people here are overanalyzing the soundtrack, that might be true, but I'm usually listening for and excited by interesting sound design and unconventional music in movies.

Good movie. A little draining and (naturally) fucked up, but I liked it. I haven't completely made up my mind about it yet though. There's some things I thought the original Swedish movie did a better job of, and vice versa.

Emil Dorbell
12-22-2011, 05:09 AM
How are Swedish audiences taking to the film? Is it kind of unanimous that the original films are better, because they're your countries original take on the stories, or are people kind of warm to idea of this version, and these new portrayals of the characters?

Most of us are flattered. Sweden is rarely featured in american movies and never as much as it was in this movie. Generally, Sweden is very americanized, and consesus among younger crowds is that american movies per definition are better than anything our own small, inbred movie industry produces (with a few exceptions.) My theory is that this is a result of our relation to piracy, we tend to download american shows and movies, watch them without subtitles, and then compare them to inexpensive and even unprofessional swedish productions.

I think most purists in this regard are actually from somewhere that's not Sweden.

Roger Waters
12-22-2011, 06:15 AM
Having listened to the soundtrack a bunch of times, it was hard not to separate score from scenes but then the movie got to the point where I was so into the story that the score really became less of a focus and more of an addition to the scene. I never read the books or seen the Swedish version so everything was fresh to me. I went with a group of 8 people and 5 of them had seen the Swedish version already so everything wasn't surprising to them as it was to me and it felt like those who went in blind enjoyed it a lot more than those who didn't. It was excellent hearing the way they used "Under the Midnight Sun" and it was hard not to get pumped when "Infiltrator" played.

witte
12-22-2011, 08:43 AM
A lot of talking about the music and the score. I thought this topic was more meant for "talking about the movie itself".
Here, some help about the score. From the other topic with the same title...

Did some homework.
Compared the FYC score with the original soundtrack.


"FYC CD" versus "Official Soundtrack CD"

DISK 1
01 I can't take it anymore = 11
02 Salander Goes Home = 02
03 Morrel's Report = 03
04 Heartbreak = 06
05 Salander/Cecilia/Harald = 08
06Värmland = 18
07 Maps = 24
08 Bjurman BJ = 07
09 Salander Returns To The House = 10
10 Archives = 04
11 Coffee Cup = 24
12 Martin's Story = 18
13 Martin traps Blomkvist = 19
14 Car chase = 33
15 Harriet Theme 4 = 30
16 Salander's Trip = 34
17 North Pole = 22
18 Media Event of the Year = ?
19 Harriet's Story = 18
20 Bank Sequence = 20
21 Harriet Theme 1 = 23
22 Salander Tattoos Bjurman = 38


DISK 2
01 Millennia = 30
02 She's one of the best, She's different = 31
03 Parade Photos = 20
04 Bible Verses = 19
05 Plague, Trinity & Wasp = 36
06 Salander arrives at Bjurman's = 14
07 Salander reports to Blomkvist = 19
08 Salander at Wennerström's Apartment = 03
09 Blomkvist Shot = 33
10 Love making = 06
11 Harriet's Flowers = 12
12 Harriet/The accident = 08
13 Salander at Söder Hospital = 18
14 Meeting Bjurman = 31
15 Salander Raped = 07
16 Salander Tasers Bjurman = 20
17 Martin Interviews Blomkvist = 33
18 Blomkvist meets Martin = ?
19 Blomkvist travels to Hedestadt = 02
20 Widow Brännlund's Photos = 08
21 Dead Cat = 38

Didn't locate the "?". Still listening/researching.

The tracks on the FYC score refer to the tracks on the official soundtrack. They are not the same. They have another approach, different mix, and they are edited.
I 'm almost sure the FYC tracks are the same which are used in the movie. It's almost 90 minutes of music.
For me it's an album on its own.

jhulud
12-22-2011, 10:38 AM
Watched the movie yesterday. Enjoyed it quite a bit. Definitely can see Fincher's style all over it. Although the book is better, the omissions and changes that are in the film...or rather, not in it...didn't take away from the overall story and plot.

It was indeed cool to identify the soundtrack tracks with each scene and expanding on the visuals. I get the feeling I'll be seeing it again soon.

botley
12-22-2011, 11:24 AM
Don't post those FYC titles in this thread; they contain spoilers.

Jon
12-22-2011, 01:11 PM
Kind of surprised to see this talk about David Fincher and "original cuts".

I think the whole 20th Century Fox/Alien 3 fiasco ruined him on this.

Also, I tend to pay attention to scores for David Fincher movies, not just ones containing TR/AR.

witte
12-22-2011, 01:27 PM
Don't post those FYC titles in this thread; they contain spoilers.
Sorry. Didn't see it that way.

richardp
12-23-2011, 02:19 AM
I'm getting a kick out of the fact that if you search for Dragon Tattoo posts on tumblr, there is an endless supply of people saying that David Fincher is a proud misogynist because of this film. A few posts have been so blatantly ignorant that I actually lol'd at them.

Paper Street
12-23-2011, 10:40 AM
I'm getting a kick out of the fact that if you search for Dragon Tattoo posts on tumblr, there is an endless supply of people saying that David Fincher is a proud misogynist because of this film. A few posts have been so blatantly ignorant that I actually lol'd at them.

Sadly that's not as surprising as it should be. There are a few crazies on reddit repeating the same bullshit.

Lunatica
12-24-2011, 02:17 AM
I liked the original better. The soundtrack was awesome though but I just didn't feel the darkness and the grittiness of the first. This one seem too... clean. Does that make sense?

I haven't read the books yet but I saw a bit of the difference between the two movies. It's not a lot but now I'm a bit confused with some of the events and how they happen but the gist of it was still there, I guess.

the exit
12-24-2011, 11:18 AM
I thought it was pretty much on par with the Swedish version, Rooney Mara is a more feminine Lisbeth for sure, which isn't so bad. I hope they do the sequels and they're better than the Swedish ones because I thought those were really disappointing.

Deadpool
12-24-2011, 01:37 PM
I can't express how happy I am with the ending of the Fincher version (and I mean the very end, not the main resolution). The Swedish film's final shot will always annoy me: it's way too safe, and at odds with the tone of the entire rest of the movie, which is a shame, because it's a great movie. Fincher's ending (which is essentially the book's ending) is what I was hoping for more than anything else, and played out almost exactly how I imagined, if not better. I was so happy to see it come to life.

I was a little scared it would be left out after reading some of the press about the changed ending - which is really just a not-so-drastically-different resolution. Speaking of which, I thought that was handled very well, and is still respectful to the original story - arguably better than the way it unfolds in the book. It's certainly more streamlined. I hate to make this comparison, but it reminded me of how they changed the 3rd act of Watchmen in the movie: it was a reasonable, good change but the rest of the film had so many other problems it almost didn't matter (Watchmen I mean).

I loved Daniel Craig as Blomkvist, and the cast as a whole. Rooney Mara was fantastic of course. What I liked most about her Lisbeth was how three-dimensional she was, which I think was a deliberate choice on the part of Mara, Fincher, and writer Steven Zaillian (and absolutely the right choice). The best part of Noomi Rapace's Lisbeth is how she commits to one aspect of her, and does it really well: the ultra-guarded, look-at-me-and-I'll-drop-you Lisbeth, which is still faithful to the character. Ultimately, I found Rooney's Lisbeth to be more rounded, and more relatable which I love - the inclusion of Palmgren, her original guardian, helped convey this (nice one, Zaillian). Lisbeth Salander is one of those great characters in fiction, where she's so rich that you can get a lot of good interpretations that are all true to her essence.

I'm dying to see this again, particularly with friends/family who haven't read the book or seen the other film.

razzletiger
12-24-2011, 03:10 PM
io9 did an interview with Fincher about the film. It mostly focuses on how Fincher interpreted Lisbeth and his thoughts on if she's a hero or not. It's pretty interesting, in my opinion. Link: http://io9.com/5870887/david-fincher-explains-why-you-shouldnt-call-his-dragon-tattoo-heroine-a-superhero

orestes
12-24-2011, 08:07 PM
I thought it was a fantastic movie. Just got home from seeing it and I want to watch the Swedish original. It's that good.


I thought it was pretty much on par with the Swedish version, Rooney Mara is a more feminine Lisbeth for sure, which isn't so bad. I hope they do the sequels and they're better than the Swedish ones because I thought those were really disappointing.

Fincher will be directing the entire trilogy.

october_midnight
12-24-2011, 08:36 PM
Nothing has been set in stone. He wants to shoot the next two back to back but nothing's been greenlit.

carpenoctem
12-24-2011, 09:37 PM
The movie was okay, and there was a sort of brutal satisfaction is seeing what Lisbeth did to the "rapist pig", but the ending just frustrated me. I didn't feel like there was any kind of resolution, and I felt like Blomkvist just forgot about Lisbeth and the fact that she saved him from an Orinoco Flow-loving serial killer in favor of his newspaper mistress lady.

And if there are sequels made I think I will just be frustrated as they will get in the way of NIN and HTDA.

Pretty good though, in all.

The Becoming
12-24-2011, 10:20 PM
Just got back from seeing this. Loved it. I haven't read the book, but I did watch the Swedish version. I like how Lisbeth seemed more human in Fincher's version than the Swedish one. I had chills during the opening credits sequence. I thought that was awesome. And holy hell is Rooney Mara hot in this. I'd let her strap me down any time.

leo3375
12-25-2011, 12:05 AM
The movie was okay, and there was a sort of brutal satisfaction is seeing what Lisbeth did to the "rapist pig", but the ending just frustrated me. I didn't feel like there was any kind of resolution, and I felt like Blomkvist just forgot about Lisbeth and the fact that she saved him from an Orinoco Flow-loving serial killer in favor of his newspaper mistress lady.

And if there are sequels made I think I will just be frustrated as they will get in the way of NIN and HTDA.

Pretty good though, in all.

But that's how the book ends, though. It helps to set things up for The Girl Who Played With Fire.

ImTheWiseJanitor
12-25-2011, 03:40 AM
I just saw it last night. Absolutely loved it. I hadn't seen more than 15 minutes of the Swedish version before falling asleep (I liked what I saw, I was just incredibly tired that day), and I haven't read the book just yet, so I'm looking forward more to watching/reading those now more than ever. I personally really enjoyed the ending for what it was, and I think that they could very well leave it at that if they decide not to follow through with the sequels, but if Fincher's still attached to it (I know he wants to do it, but you never know, sometimes people just have other things to do), he'd do one hell of a job. Especially with Reznor and Ross handling the scores.

Also: I was probably the only person in the theater that laughed a bit about Lisbeth's friend wearing the NIN shirt, and wearing the [With_Teeth] beanie later on in the movie. :P Nice.

And the soundtrack came in the mail today! Score. /badpun

orestes
12-25-2011, 11:18 AM
I was the only one in the theater who had the same reaction to the NIN shirt, too. :p

Also, Enya's "Orinoco Flow" has never sounded creepier.

carpenoctem
12-25-2011, 01:17 PM
But that's how the book ends, though. It helps to set things up for The Girl Who Played With Fire.

Maybe I'll have a different perspective when I see/read the next two, but man, I feel like after opening herself up to someone for the first time in possibly ever, she deserved more than that letch. I guess it's good that Fincher and Mara were able to make me feel so strongly about her character though, that's always the mark of a job well done.

eversonpoe
12-25-2011, 03:30 PM
I was the only one in the theater who had the same reaction to the NIN shirt, too. :p

Also, Enya's "Orinoco Flow" has never sounded creepier.

my mom cracked up when she saw Plague's shirt...gotta love that. and then, again when Enya came on...though i've heard creepier uses for it.

Wretchedest
12-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Am i the only one who didnt like it then? Of course, Trents score was great, but what i saw was just a shock-value disturbfest with no real value. Poorly edited/ paced... only one likable character...Maybe in its other forms the soty is better, but it was a very poorly executed mystery. Obviously meant for the literary form since tuere are so many threads and pieces to the mystery you really cant follow them in a movie like this thats constantly moving and where there are intense elements distracting you. With a book i can see theres probably time to focus and really think about it.And theres so much rape. Its like a motif. Rape and ice and leather. And i get that from the authors perspective its supposed to almost raise awareness, etc. But with all that what part of this are you supposed to enjoy? What can you take away from it? Nothing, i think. It goes almost hilariously out of its way to be fucked up and dark. So its not wholly entertaining, and its certainly not some deep meaningful piece.. so whats the point?The point is to listen to trents score witg theater quality sound.

thevoid99
12-25-2011, 09:02 PM
Here's my review (http://thevoid99.blogspot.com/2011/12/girl-with-dragon-tattoo-2011-film.html) of the film. I think the Swedish film had a better approach to telling the story though this version had a better directing style since it is David Fincher. I'm still figuring out the pros and cons of the two films. Still, I think it is remarkable. I'll post a soundtrack review of the album in a few days.

witte
12-26-2011, 06:09 AM
Went yesterday with my family to Sherlock's new movie.
Saw the trailer of TGWTDT and I was very impressed seeing it on a big screen with that volume. Very well done. They did a good job giving it such an impact.
Funny to see Noomi Rapace a few minutes later in another role.

dlb
12-26-2011, 06:18 AM
So I just watched the first Swedish film in its extended form and I kinda wish I hadn't. I haven't read the book, but I loved the movie and got pretty uncertain how the American version could add to that, eventually leading up to me not wanting to see it at all since TR/AR's score as a whole didn't do THAT much for me either. I'm sure it will fit the movie more than well, but listening to it withouth the movie didn't get me as much as the music for TSN did when I first heard it.

Before yesteday it was acutally the other way around and I didn't want to see the original movie since I was so excited for Fincher's take. The general positive reviews for both movies weren't helping either to decide which one to watch (first).

I'll end up seeing it either way next week I guess. I just love Fincher too much to miss this and I'm sure it will deliver just like the Swedish film whether it be Fincher's directing that might be superior at least.



Went yesterday with my family to Sherlock's new movie.
Saw the trialer of TGWTDT and I was very impressed seeing it on a big screen with that volume. Very well done. They did a good job giving it such an impact.
Funny to see Noomi Rapace a few minutes later in another role.

I've known her before the Millennium trilogy, but as I have a hard time understanding Swedish movies (mostly there's no dubbed or subbed version anyway) I'm more than glad to see her get recognized in Hollywood and already being given big roles (Prometheus especially!!!). I'm not to sure about her role in Sherlock, but I guess I have to see for myself.

orestes
12-26-2011, 07:25 AM
Funny, to me, watching the movie made me connect more with soundtrack.

carpenoctem
12-26-2011, 09:57 PM
I'm just the kind of person who doesn't like soundtracks at all unless they're paired with the movie, which is the only place where they ought to be heard*. It's odd and out of context otherwise. I liked parts of it here and there but barely anything stands out. In the movie, however, I thought it was very fitting. This time I heard the soundtrack first and then saw the movie instead of the other way around like I did with the Social Network. It was kind of fun to play spot the song. But I kind of felt like not a lot of the 3+ hour material got used... or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.


* possible exception for Requiem For A Dream... but I still vastly prefer it with the movie

marodi
12-26-2011, 11:08 PM
Interesting little article about how the movie didn't do so well at the box office and possible explanations as to why (http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/26/dragon-tattoo-box-office)

gorny540
12-27-2011, 04:22 AM
Interesting little article about how the movie didn't do so well at the box office and possible explanations as to why (http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/26/dragon-tattoo-box-office)


yep the movie bombed, sucks too because it was really good, so this means that there likely won't be a 2nd and 3rd installment.

Emil Dorbell
12-27-2011, 05:26 AM
Interesting little article about how the movie didn't do so well at the box office and possible explanations as to why (http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/26/dragon-tattoo-box-office)

I guess the holidays are when you go watch movies with your family, and this was far from a family movie.
If I hadn't seen the previous version I think I would have absolutely loved this film. When they invent a machine that erases specific memories I'm gonna delete both versions and go watch this again.

Elke
12-27-2011, 06:54 AM
Uhm, I'm just curious, but how is 'coming in fourth' equal to 'bombing'?

NIN64
12-27-2011, 09:34 AM
Usually if a film of this scope doesn't make at least half of what it cost in the first 3 days to a week after it's release it is considered a bomb. If it doesn't make back at last twice as much as it cost during it's entire run is is considered a commercial failure. At least something like this. Sometimes if a film is a critical success, but a commercial failure, the home video release is pushed forward in order to attempt to ride the marketing from the theatrical release and make some money that way. We'll see though. I'm not going to call this one yet.

ltrandazzo
12-27-2011, 09:52 AM
Speaking from the business side of things - The movie has the potential to be a slow burner, especially if they get Oscar nominations. The Golden Globes help a little, but not a lot, and the fact that only Rooney Mara was nominated for Best Actress and TR&AR were nominated for Best Original Score doesn't add a lot of hype. They'd have to win to give it a second wind if it's still in theaters. If not, this movie could become a hit on video and find its second wind there.

spahn
12-27-2011, 10:25 AM
Watched the movie last night and I am extremely pleased on how it turned out. Having read the books, then watching the Swedish version and now Fincher's movie, the film is leaps and bounds better than the Swedish version.

The Swedish vs American version debate is something that will go on forever, but if you've read the books, which some of you on here haven't and are saying the Swedish film is better, then you will understand how much more closer to the book Fincher's film is. The only major things that I saw omitted from Fincher's film is Salander's mom not being mentioned and the ending of the film. And although not bad at all, the Swedish version is more true to the book than Fincher's film.

But all in all, I appreciated and enjoyed Rooney Mara as Lisbeth Salander so much more than Noomi Rapace. To me, my vision of Lisbeth Salander came to life with Rooney Mara. She put on such an exceptional performance that any short of at least Oscar nomination would be disappointing.

Oh and of course, TR/AR score was brilliant throughout. The music fit perfectly with the different moods of all the scenes.

Jinsai
12-27-2011, 10:31 AM
Uhm, I'm just curious, but how is 'coming in fourth' equal to 'bombing'?

Most of the time, a movie generates 40 percent of its eventual total gross on opening weekend. There's exceptions, but things aren't looking good for a movie that cost about 100 million to make and only generated 13 million at the start. Unless it turns out to be a huge hit internationally, it will likely lose a lot of money for the studio. A film that breaks even is considered by studios to be a flop, especially when considering whether or not to opt for greenlighting a sequel.

Mech
12-27-2011, 10:45 AM
I've not seen it, but I've heard from a few people they saw people walk out during their screenings. Could get a bad rep from word of mouth.

konstantin
12-27-2011, 10:50 AM
haven't seen the movie yet and certainly wishing it good luck, but isn't $100,000,000 a little excessive for a movie of this type? the Swedish versions had "low budget" written all over it and it certainly fit the mood.

coming soon: bubble bursting.

kdrcraig
12-27-2011, 11:30 AM
haven't seen the movie yet and certainly wishing it good luck, but isn't $100,000,000 a little excessive for a movie of this type? the Swedish versions had "low budget" written all over it and it certainly fit the mood.

I'm really surprised the budget was that high, doesn't seem like the type of movie that would require that much money. Haven't seen it yet though.

richardp
12-27-2011, 11:59 AM
I've not seen it, but I've heard from a few people they saw people walk out during their screenings. Could get a bad rep from word of mouth.

Nobody walked out during my screening, but a guy I work with said that half of the theater got up and left during THE scene. It's a shame. People are acting like this is the first movie to ever have a hardcore rape scene in it. In fact, I can think of a couple other films whose rape scenes are actually worse.

orestes
12-27-2011, 12:43 PM
Compared to the rape scenes in movies like "Irreversible" and "As If I'm Not There", the graphicness is only suggested. That's not to say it isn't a disturbing scene-because it is-but the audience should feel outrage towards Salander's guardian, not the movie itself. Shame that people walked out of the theater because then they didn't get to see the pay-off.

Fixer808
12-27-2011, 01:20 PM
http://generationbubble.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/beatty1.jpg?w=300&h=200
"Don't forget about your ol' pal Ned!"

Blackbookpress1984
12-27-2011, 02:13 PM
Saw the film on christmas with my girlfriend and i thoughtit was great. Ill admit the rape stuff was hard to watch but. I guarantee there are other movies out there that have shown worse things. As far as the soundtrack with the film i thought it was perfect. As astand alonethough im not so sure. Thats my 2 cents anyway.

konstantin
12-27-2011, 02:22 PM
doubt those other movies with the harder to watch rape scenes everyone is talking about had the marketing budget of this movie though. so either Fincher intended for the scene to be unwatchable by the audience the marketing campaign was targeting (i guess that's everyone, based on amount of internet and TV coverage) or Fincher should know his audience better, before he becomes the Marilyn Manson of movies.

GeoffT
12-27-2011, 04:03 PM
I loved the movie. The weekend totals are a bit misleading. If you count all the days it is doing better...

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=girldragontattoo11.htm&sort=date&order=DESC&p=.htm

Also, about the rape scene being watchable... Seems like it should be unwatchable. I mean, it's a rape scene. If you got to the end of the scene with a warm and fuzzy feeling you might have problems.

carpenoctem
12-27-2011, 06:56 PM
Nobody walked out during my screening, but a guy I work with said that half of the theater got up and left during THE scene. It's a shame. People are acting like this is the first movie to ever have a hardcore rape scene in it. In fact, I can think of a couple other films whose rape scenes are actually worse.

I doubt people got up and walked out because they were under the impression that this was the first movie to ever have a rape scene. They probably left because it was brutal - it's not like you should force yourself to watch it on principle if you know there's another movie out there that's filmed it even more brutally. I closed my eyes and just hearing it was enough for me. And it's not so common yet, especially in big-budget franchise hopefuls, that people have become desensitized to it. (Horrifying thought: that scenes like this will become so common in mainstream films in the years to come that people actually WILL become numb to it.)

ltrandazzo
12-27-2011, 11:27 PM
Final returns are in and the movie finished third, thus beating the Chipmunks.

http://www.imdb.com/chart/

redshoewearer
12-27-2011, 11:35 PM
Nobody walked out during my screening, but a guy I work with said that half of the theater got up and left during THE scene. It's a shame. People are acting like this is the first movie to ever have a hardcore rape scene in it. In fact, I can think of a couple other films whose rape scenes are actually worse.

I haven't seen the Fincher version yet (hopefully tomorrow), but by THE scene I assume you are referring to the guy rape scene. If people have left during that, do you think it is because people are inherently more uncomfortable with a guy rape scene?

orestes
12-27-2011, 11:38 PM
I haven't read the book yet but I think I know what you're alluding to. No, we're referring to Lisbeth's rape scene.

sublimaze
12-28-2011, 12:51 AM
http://generationbubble.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/beatty1.jpg?w=300&h=200
"Don't forget about your ol' pal Ned!"

'nuff said

johnbron
12-28-2011, 01:20 AM
Just saw the movie. Holy shit it was good. Disturbing as fuck, but very very good. I've avoided reading much about it in this thread but will now that I've seen it. Kick. Ass.

Fixer808
12-28-2011, 01:50 AM
Just saw the movie. Holy shit it was good. Disturbing as fuck, but very very good. I've avoided reading much about it in this thread but will now that I've seen it. Kick. Ass.
Had you read the books or seen the other trilogy yet? I'm up to book/movie 2.

johnbron
12-28-2011, 02:15 AM
Had you read the books or seen the other trilogy yet? I'm up to book/movie 2.
Neither. I'd been meaning to check the original films out on Netflix for some time but never got around to it. When it was announced that Fincher was making the movie, I decided to hold off for a fresh start. Now that I've seen it I'll probably watch them soon. The books too, soon. "soon"

Fixer808
12-28-2011, 02:22 AM
Neither. I'd been meaning to check the original films out on Netflix for some time but never got around to it. When it was announced that Fincher was making the movie, I decided to hold off for a fresh start. Now that I've seen it I'll probably watch them soon. The books too, soon. "soon"
XD Anyway, I highly recommend. Like I said, Noomi Rapace:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01580/dragonmain_1580831c.jpg
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWT!

PQHooligan
12-28-2011, 07:23 AM
I was the only one in the theater who had the same reaction to the NIN shirt, too. :p

Yeah, when I laughed at that scene, everyone sitting nearby gave me a confusing look - if they only knew...

I will be seeing this film again ASAP!

JessicaSarahS
12-29-2011, 02:23 AM
So good! I prefer it over the original movie. I want to watch it again.

sentient02970
12-29-2011, 09:52 AM
Watched the original on Netflix last night (saw the remake last week) and loved it. I do think that the Fincher version adds some details I really liked and felt missed out on in the original, but standalone the original is a great film.

konstantin
12-29-2011, 01:22 PM
hoping to see it this weekend!

Vertigo
12-29-2011, 02:27 PM
haven't seen the movie yet and certainly wishing it good luck, but isn't $100,000,000 a little excessive for a movie of this type? the Swedish versions had "low budget" written all over it and it certainly fit the mood.

coming soon: bubble bursting.

That's the thing that really makes my jaw drop about the movie. Calculate inflation and this fucker cost very nearly as much to make as Jurassic Park. Where did all that money go? I bet there's an army of animatronic dinosaurs roaming around Fincher's loft this Christmas.

marodi
12-29-2011, 03:10 PM
That's the thing that really makes my jaw drop about the movie. Calculate inflation and this fucker cost very nearly as much to make as Jurassic Park. Where did all that money go? I bet there's an army of animatronic dinosaurs roaming around Fincher's loft this Christmas.

The budget is one of the alleged five reasons why the movie is under performing at the box office (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/box-office-whats-the-fate-of-the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo#)

I haven't seen the movie yet. Most of the reviews I've read are positive though and I very much enjoy Fincher's movies so I don't see why I should not like this one as well.

But the sad reality is that Hollywood is governed by money. No matter how good this movie is, if it doesn't perform well at the box office, we will never see a sequel.

The first reason stated in the article as to why it's not performing as well as expected is the Christmas release date. I think that they fail to mention an important fact as to why it was released at this date: it's so that it would be eligible for the awards season. Many major awards (including the Oscars) are stating that to be eligible, a movie must be release in theater before a certain date. Maybe in the case of TGWTDT it would have been preferable to have it only as a limited release so that it would have met the date criteria and then to have it widely released at a later date.

slave2thewage
12-29-2011, 07:51 PM
Saw it earlier tonight. ME GUSTA.

Poor Lisbeth at the end.

orestes
12-29-2011, 07:53 PM
For those wondering about the budget. (http://nofilmschool.com/2011/12/fincher-reframes-post-4k-release-the/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nofilmschool+%28NoFilmSchool% 29)

Jon
12-29-2011, 08:12 PM
For those wondering about the budget. (http://nofilmschool.com/2011/12/fincher-reframes-post-4k-release-the/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nofilmschool+%28NoFilmSchool% 29)

thanks for the interesting read. what i've seen so far from the Red Epic has been great. i'm more of a film guy overall but I have no complaint with digital at 4k :)

Torgo
12-29-2011, 08:47 PM
thanks for the interesting read. what i've seen so far from the Red Epic has been great. i'm more of a film guy overall but I have no complaint with digital at 4k :)

If you liked that article - I would recommend Michael Cioni's in-depth blog entry about the entire 5k and 4k workflow. (http://michaelcioni.tumblr.com) One third of the film was shot on an Epic, so a good bit was cropped from 5k to 4k with a 20% look around for changing the frame. I think that's pretty awesome to hear, because from my dealings in Hollywood, a majority of post houses have slowly been trying to move to a tapeless / filmless format. At least there is a more digital-central future in sight for those that can afford it.

Jon
12-29-2011, 08:57 PM
In case people might be wondering what's the big deal, I think this last part from Michael Cioni's blog entry sums it up the best:


Today, for the first time ever on this scale, thanks to more than 5 years of infrastructure and development of end-to-end 4K, mass audiences will see pictures from The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo as good as the filmmakers who created it.

Lutz
12-29-2011, 09:21 PM
Apparently Fincher also did endless takes of every scene and then digitally edited together for each character the performances he preferred.

slave2thewage
12-30-2011, 02:27 AM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwsu5qOR3z1r8asx8o1_400.jpg

That is all.

littlemonkey613
12-30-2011, 02:47 AM
I loved this so much more than I thought I would. For some reason it seemed people weren't that enthusiastic about it. This was awesome. I was so surprised by the depth of the character development of Lisbeth especially her relationship with Craig's character. I'm not familiar with this franchise at all and I wasn't expecting that. Really really great.

Emil Dorbell
12-30-2011, 03:54 AM
thanks for the interesting read. what i've seen so far from the Red Epic has been great. i'm more of a film guy overall but I have no complaint with digital at 4k :)

Though I'm a fan of Red, the images lack that special something. What was Seven shot on? I regard that as the best-looking film I've ever seen.

Lutz
12-30-2011, 09:02 AM
What was Seven shot on? I regard that as the best-looking film I've ever seen.

The look of Seven has to do with the way they processed the film after it was shot (via bleach bypass?).

The Reason Being
12-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Saw the film last night, loved it. Although during 'the' scene, my girlfriend nudged me to tell me the girl sat next to her was crying. She was right..hopefully it was just the nature of the scene that got to her and nothing else.

Jon
12-30-2011, 03:33 PM
Though I'm a fan of Red, the images lack that special something.

film grain? No, I totally get what you mean. Film has a "depth" that digital has yet to match (and probably never will being two different "mediums")

and yeah, you're more than likely thinking of the bleach bypass done on Se7en. A bleach bypass (in simple terms) leaves the silver in the color. Another beautiful example of bleach bypass done correctly can be seen in Saving Private Ryan.

Edit: I believe Band of Brothers and The Pacific are the same

MAD
12-30-2011, 06:38 PM
I saw the movie and I was the last to leave because I wanted to hear Reznor in "Is Your Love Strong Enough?".

There!

JessicaSarahS
12-31-2011, 03:19 AM
I think it's crazy that people expected this to be a huge hit at the box office to begin with. It's an intelligent, dark, interesting film, so of course it'll do poorly with mass audiences. It needs more robots, fake tits and random shit blowing up to come close to being a box office success.

Elke
12-31-2011, 03:58 AM
Se7en had even less robots and tits (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=seven.htm). I'm amazed at those figures, actually. So it might win ground on the international market.

littlemonkey613
12-31-2011, 05:40 AM
Don't 4get this movie is 3 hours.

Lutz
12-31-2011, 11:41 AM
I think it's crazy that people expected this to be a huge hit at the box office to begin with. It's an intelligent, dark, interesting film, so of course it'll do poorly with mass audiences. It needs more robots, fake tits and random shit blowing up to come close to being a box office success.

$100 million movie is expected to be a huge hit at the box office!

slave2thewage
12-31-2011, 02:31 PM
Se7en had even less robots and tits (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=seven.htm). I'm amazed at those figures, actually. So it might win ground on the international market.
I think it'll do well in Europe. A lot more people that I know went to see this instead of, say, Sherlock Holmes.

Jinsai
12-31-2011, 04:08 PM
I think it'll do well in Europe. A lot more people that I know went to see this instead of, say, Sherlock Holmes.

That's the way it always is though. I don't know anyone who's actually bought a Nickelback album, but they sell better than any current musician I like.

konstantin
12-31-2011, 05:20 PM
i wonder what TR/AR's paycheck was, being Academy Award winners and all.

i actually always wondered what made the books so popular with the masses. other than the plotlines reading like sensational headlines off the National Enquirer, the whole thing is just too dark to have the mass appeal it somehow got. i have no doubt that everyone involved in the American version did an outstanding job. but how does anyone justify a second TGWTDT adaptation other than "well, it could potentially make a lot of money, with the books being so popular and Americans not fancying subtitles". so if the money doesn't come in, isn't this essentially an epic fail adding to the long list of industries (financial, airline, etc.) that need to be bulldozed and started over?

in a different world perhaps a new comer type director (a new Aronofsky?) could have made a movie loosely based on the books that's more focused on depth than process and twists, and getting on board some less than A-list actors. i could see that working. and not releasing it on Christmas of course (what were they thinking?)

Jon
12-31-2011, 06:25 PM
but how does anyone justify a second TGWTDT adaptation

Paramount Pictures was contacted and was even working on a screen adaptation in 2008, a good 6 months before the Swedish version came about. The Millennium trilogy was never meant to "look" so soap opera-ish and many of the higher-ups involved with bringing the novels to the screen were disappointed.

Lutz
12-31-2011, 07:21 PM
Lots of directors were after this project though. Quentin Tarantino was talking about making the trilogy after he finished Inglorious Basterds. Keep in mind that Tarantino knows how to make smaller budget movies - Kill Bill cost $55 million for both parts.

Jon
01-01-2012, 11:04 AM
time for some academy screenings (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/academy/screenings/?film=girlwiththedragontattoo)

carpenoctem
01-01-2012, 12:30 PM
Lots of directors were after this project though. Quentin Tarantino was talking about making the trilogy after he finished Inglorious Basterds. Keep in mind that Tarantino knows how to make smaller budget movies - Kill Bill cost $55 million for both parts.

That would've been awesome! I doubt he would've picked Rooney Mara for the role (it sounds like she mainly got the part because Fincher enjoyed the short time he worked with her on Social Network) but I know it would've been great.

JessicaSarahS
01-02-2012, 03:17 PM
Se7en had even less robots and tits (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=seven.htm). I'm amazed at those figures, actually. So it might win ground on the international market.

It was also released 15 years ago (!!!) and audiences have changed significantly since then.

konstantin
01-02-2012, 05:50 PM
finally saw it! excellent job from everyone involved.

i still don't think the source material deserves a big screen, big budget treatment though. felt a bit a like a $100 burger (or a meatball?).

slave2thewage
01-02-2012, 09:54 PM
The Girl Who Played With Fire
is still moving forward. (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/01/02/dragon-tattoo-sequel-girl-who-played-with-fire/)

redshoewearer
01-02-2012, 10:23 PM
Got to see it on New Year's Eve finally. I did like it. Since I've seen the Swedish film as well, I felt like I was studying the film as much as I was simply watching it - some things I liked better in the Swedish film, and some better in this one. I felt like the whodunit parts of investigation were downplayed a little compared to the Swedish version - there was less emphasis on the hacking; I also felt like the rape scenes were smoothed a little compared to the Swedish, rougher edged ones, and her guardian was a little more caricature than character, in the U.S. version in terms of over the top gross. I don't even remember the music in the original. At the beginning, when Blomqvist is going to the island, it looked like home, with all that snow and black and grey trees - that's what it looks like in winter here. The film well portrayed the cold of the location.

I think I may re-watch the Swedish version and see if my memories are accurate.

konstantin
01-02-2012, 11:52 PM
And despite Fincher being obsessed with details, he still abides to the Hollywood laws of:

-- all software, including web apps like Yahoo mail, comes with its own sounds, no protagonist should ever mute
-- all computers when left unattended should not be password protected, even in a haxxor movie
-- all brutally murdered kittens should be photographed for no good reason with the latest product (sony nex-7 m4/3) the company behind the movie is pushing

Ocean Blooms
01-03-2012, 01:38 AM
The Girl Who Played With Fire
is still moving forward.
(http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/01/02/dragon-tattoo-sequel-girl-who-played-with-fire/)

Hmm, I was under the impression that Fincher had signed on for the sequels as well.

JessicaSarahS
01-03-2012, 03:08 AM
Hmm, I was under the impression that Fincher had signed on for the sequels as well.

I thought I had read the same thing.

ltrandazzo
01-03-2012, 03:46 AM
He's said in interviews that he wants to, but he has 20k Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo, Black Hole, and an adaptation of the comic, The Goon all lined up in various stages of pre-production. Dude is busy.

dlb
01-03-2012, 06:42 AM
He's said in interviews that he wants to, but he has 20k Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo, Black Hole, and an adaptation of the comic, The Goon all lined up in various stages of pre-production. Dude is busy.

Now that someone mentions it: What happened to the Goon? I'm following Eric Powell on facebook and he never mentions anything. The trailer looked sooo good... I guess there's some trouble with financing this flick.

On topic: I'd rather Fincher would move on and not direct the sequels. I haven't read the books, but alot of people told me to only read the first one anyway and I wasn't really impressed with the Swedish films (apart from Rapace of course) either after seeing the first one which came of as a whole and finished story to me. The only memorable scenes from those films IMHO were when Lisbeth dug herself out of her own grave and what followed in the second movie and her entrance in court in the third.

Ocean Blooms
01-03-2012, 06:43 AM
Oh yeah, "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo" seems to be the only one that is almost certain to be his next directing gig, believe pre-production has begun for it. Fincher is only a producer behind "The Goon" and "Black Hole" is still in limbo so "20,000..." is the only thing at the moment that would keep him from having "The Girl Who Played With Fire" as his immediate next project. I imagine Sony would wait for Fincher to be available for the remaining two films which are said to be shot back to back... right?

I'd be pretty pissed if this is all bullshit and they simply decide to go to another director, not to say they wouldn't get another very competent director but damn it, it wouldn't be Fincher.

botley
01-03-2012, 10:09 AM
People looking only at the first weekend are the ones being shortsighted here, not Sony. They are building a franchise, and yes it takes a significant investment. Disney went a similar way with their Tron reboot. They're in this for the long game, so even if the first film "under-performs" at the box office, the sequels and other rights they still have are going to be wise investments.

Hopefully Fincher comes back to finish the trilogy, but if he doesn't there's no way Sony won't exercise their right to put two more movies out.

all computers when left unattended should not be password protected, even in a haxxor movie
Sorry, did you miss the scene where Lisbeth hacks Mikael's notes? It's in the trailer. "They're encrypted!" [withering look] "Please."

burn.
01-03-2012, 10:13 AM
Oh yeah, "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo" seems to be the only one that is almost certain to be his next directing gig, believe pre-production has begun for it. Fincher is only a producer behind "The Goon" and "Black Hole" is still in limbo so "20,000..." is the only thing at the moment that would keep him from having "The Girl Who Played With Fire" as his immediate next project. I imagine Sony would wait for Fincher to be available for the remaining two films which are said to be shot back to back... right?

I'd be pretty pissed if this is all bullshit and they simply decide to go to another director, not to say they wouldn't get another very competent director but damn it, it wouldn't be Fincher.

I'd rather him working on Black Hole instead of 20,000 Leagues, meh.

konstantin
01-03-2012, 10:24 AM
People looking only at the first weekend are the ones being shortsighted here, not Sony. They are building a franchise, and yes it takes a significant investment. Disney went a similar way with their Tron reboot. They're in this for the long game, so even if the first film "under-performs" at the box office, the sequels and other rights they still have are going to be wise investments.

Hopefully Fincher comes back to finish the trilogy, but if he doesn't there's no way Sony won't exercise their right to put two more movies out.

Sorry, did you miss the scene where Lisbeth hacks Mikael's notes? It's in the trailer. "They're encrypted!" [withering look] "Please."
was referring to the scene where she figures it all out, goes back to the cottage, opens his laptop and sees that he's figured it all out too.

botley
01-04-2012, 01:37 AM
I just re-watched it, and before the scene in question Mikael leaves the laptop open in his haste to investigate what he's found; he doesn't lock it or anything like that. We see its screensaver start just as he leaves the cottage, and when Lisbeth returns, it's still running.

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
01-04-2012, 07:09 AM
Why would anyone expect Fincher to be back for the sequels? Hell, how many series—particularly modern ones—can you name that retained the same director throughout? The Matrix, Spider-Man, Lord of the Rings, and what else? (And these examples weren't helmed by a director of Fincher's stature. We can argue 'til we're blue in the face about Jackson's rep in NZ or the cult following of Raimi, but these guys weren't coming in off a couple visits to the Oscars.)

botley
01-04-2012, 09:57 AM
Off the top of my head: Spielberg's Indiana Jones films, Zemeckis' Back to the Future trilogy, Nolan's Batman series, Bay's Transformers series, Coppola's Godfather trilogy...

konstantin
01-04-2012, 10:11 AM
I just re-watched it, and before the scene in question Mikael leaves the laptop open in his haste to investigate what he's found; he doesn't lock it or anything like that. We see its screensaver start just as he leaves the cottage, and when Lisbeth returns, it's still running.

i think in real life computers ask for a password when you wake them up. and i just thought of another scene, in The Social Network, when Justin Timbrelake discovers Facebook on that girl's laptop while she's in the shower. Anyway, this is a pretty common plot device, even in tech movies/TV. and nobody can resist adding sounds to software. NOBODY!!! that's all the points i was making.

botley
01-04-2012, 11:04 AM
It's cinematic shorthand. If you can tell the story faster or communicate an idea/concept in a familiar way, why not do so? I thought this film did a brilliant job of expressing a LOT of information in a tight, slick package.

I also had a more intense emotional reaction/empathic response to the characters after watching it a second time. If you already know the story, then you'll get more out of it; more room to breathe without your analytical brain having to play along.

EDIT: Also, I noticed a subtle clue the first time Blomkvist visits Martin Vanger's house: he leaves the dinner table to close the door, ostensibly because the outside wind is heard entering the house — but actually you can very faintly hear a victim screaming in his dungeon downstairs.

leo3375
01-04-2012, 11:49 AM
Yeah, I noticed that, too. I came to that assumption primarily because I had read the books before seeing the movie.

redshoewearer
01-04-2012, 12:18 PM
I also had a more intense emotional reaction/empathic response to the characters after watching it a second time. If you already know the story, then you'll get more out of it; more room to breathe without your analytical brain having to play along.


I think I may see it again - while I'd seen the original version so I knew the story, I did find myself being really analytical over the Fincher version. Maybe watching it again I can just let go and watch it more organically.

konstantin
01-04-2012, 12:51 PM
i agree. letting your brain rest was not really possible the first time around, after being familiar with the Swedish version. also at the theater i saw it i had to sit on the very left of the screen so all the rest seemed strangely out of focus. does this have anything to do with the screen being 3D or something? i definitely enjoy more watching movies on BD on a 60" plasma screen than a theater. unless the theater servers beer, which this one didn't, as it only shows wide releases. so i'm looking forward to the BD release.

AgentofChaos
01-04-2012, 01:39 PM
i agree. letting your brain rest was not really possible the first time around, after being familiar with the Swedish version. also at the theater i saw it i had to sit on the very left of the screen so all the rest seemed strangely out of focus. does this have anything to do with the screen being 3D or something? i definitely enjoy more watching movies on BD on a 60" plasma screen than a theater. unless the theater servers beer, which this one didn't, as it only shows wide releases. so i'm looking forward to the BD release.

Not allowed to serve beer at home are we? What a weird statement. Might I also introduce you to the concept of a mickey, if the need to consume alcohol during movies at non alcoholic theatres is that pressing for you.

I suppose I can see in Europe the whole beer at the movies thing not being as distracting but watching movies with idiotic disrespectful audiences in north america is already far too common from my experiences. I love going to the theatre and always will but more and more I find it tougher to stay unannoyed by the ridiculous actions of the general public when I do. The thought of adding intoxication to the mix is almost too much to handle for me; the last thing people need to be at the theatre is drunk.

konstantin
01-04-2012, 02:39 PM
Not allowed to serve beer at home are we? What a weird statement. Might I also introduce you to the concept of a mickey, if the need to consume alcohol during movies at non alcoholic theatres is that pressing for you.

I suppose I can see in Europe the whole beer at the movies thing not being as distracting but watching movies with idiotic disrespectful audiences in north america is already far too common from my experiences. I love going to the theatre and always will but more and more I find it tougher to stay unannoyed by the ridiculous actions of the general public when I do. The thought of adding intoxication to the mix is almost too much to handle for me; the last thing people need to be at the theatre is drunk.
haha. well, i don't know where you are but here beer (usually belgian ales for some reason) is offered only at the arthouse cinemas, where annoying teens have no business. it just feels kind of decadent! so i'm talking about seeping some tasty brew (just 1) while watching a movie in the company of respectful mostly old people. i don't think offering beer at the multiplex is a good idea. alcohol + douchery = trouble for business.

eversonpoe
01-05-2012, 04:52 PM
so i'm talking about seeping some tasty brew...

that sounds like a personal problem...

konstantin
01-06-2012, 10:16 AM
that sounds like a personal problem...
um, ok. i'll make sure to bring it up to my therapist...

eversonpoe
01-06-2012, 05:03 PM
sorry, i'm not as funny as i think i am. seeping ≠ sipping. it was as if beer was leaking from you.

R-Dot-Yung
01-08-2012, 11:57 AM
Finally got to see this. Only movie I've been wanting to go see.

It was amazing in my opinion. From the filming, to the pacing, to the acting, especially Mara, I thought it was totally awesome. I did see some people walk out during my showing around THE scenes everyones referring to. I just hope it's poor showing at the box office doesn't stop great movies like this from being made more often, but what can you do.

And the ending was great for me. Really feel for Lisbeth. I dunno I loved it.

Triggermine
01-08-2012, 12:52 PM
I finally watched all of the Swedish version of the film last night and, while I lean more in favor of Fincher's version, I do like how some of the story played out in the former. I definitely want to read the books to know what's "really" supposed to happen, but, until I get around to that, I'll watch the rest of the Swedish films.

ManBurning
01-08-2012, 02:47 PM
Saw the movie last night, it was better then I expected. If it wasn't for TR doing the score for this film, I would have 0 interest in it, but I must say after going in with mixed expectations, I came out pretty satisfied. The first 20 minutes of the film I was worried I wasn't going to like it, but once Mikel got to the island and started his investigation, that's when I really started getting into it. Could have done with the last 20 minutes or so, but that's really my only complaint. I hate movies that do the "fake ending" multiple times, fooling you in to thinking it's over, when it's really not. (Jurassic Park: The Lost World does this as well).

But the music went very well with the film. I tried listening to the score a few times before seeing the movie, and I had no interest in it, I didn't understand the appeal about it, maybe because it's 3 hours long, and soundtrack music gets old after the first hour or so. HOWEVER, after seeing the movie and the visual representation on what the music is supposed to go with, I can say it's amazing, and works great! I still can't listen to the score by itself though, I thought I would give it another go last night after the movie to see if I could get into it again, thought now that i've heard it in the movie maybe I will like it on it's own now...

But that wasn't the case, I think I got through 10 tracks or so until I turned it off. The score is great with the film, just can't listen to it as it's own entity. Either way, final verdict is I was pleasently surprsied with the film.

Oh, 1 more note... I can't stand people who automatically say something sucks without actually going to see it. I posed on Facebook last night that I was off to see the film, and someone responded with american version or swedish version, followed by the American Version is shit in comparison, so when I asked them to elaborate on why they thought that, they told me they never actually watched the America one, but they refuse too, because the swedish one was just "that good" that they will not be able to beat it no matter what, therefore it sucks.

WTF is up with that? At least you can go see it to compare and contrast the 2. Geez, nobody says seeing the American one is going to ruin your impression of the swedish one, if anything - of you are that big of a fan of it, you should go check it out just to see how it compares. I just think that is a little stupid to just write it off as sucking before even watching it, but.

Maurish
01-08-2012, 07:01 PM
I saw the Swedish version on television tonight and I thought it was quite weak compared to Fincher's version. So many things were different and since I haven't read the book, I do not know how it was originally written but I've been told that both of them have parts that are in the book but not presented in the movie so it doesn't really matter. Noomi Rapace was great but Rooney Mara was definitely better, truly astonishing. Lizbeth's character was developed more thoroughly and her relationship with Blomkvist felt natural whereas in the Swedish version it was so instant and awkward. Not to mention that Craig was absolutely spot on in my opinion.
Also, Fincher's movie had many parts where the audience had quite a laugh, Swedish version felt too serious throughout the movie (and THE scene was quite the same, TRAR's music made it more disturbing though :p).
TRAR nailed the score as mentioned above, I'm not even going to compare it to bunch of violins (and having "Orinoco Flow" gives bonus points to Fincher :D).

All in all the Swedish movie was good but my personal taste favored Fincher's vision of this particular movie. I'll go through the book soon to get another perspective.

spiderwebs
01-08-2012, 09:54 PM
I've seen this movie twice so far, and I loved it. My favorite movie of 2011. I read the whole book prior to watching the film. Rooney did a fantastic job. I hope Fincher gets an Oscar nom for it, and Rooney for her performance. TR&AR's score was beautiful, I like it more than the Social Network soundtrack at this point.

bobbie solo
01-09-2012, 12:49 AM
saw this with my wife just a few hours ago. we both loved it. she read all the books, and we've both watched all the Swedish films. We both liked this version more, as it just held our attention better, and was more faithful to the book, accoridng to her. particularly the ending and the depiction of their relationship, as many have said before. TR & AR's score was badass...some really cool sounding stuff throughout. I want to go to Stockholm!

WorzelG
01-09-2012, 05:12 AM
According to this FilmStage article, the film is holding up box office wise better than other holiday films, and expected to recoup $200m
http://thefilmstage.com/news/rooney-mara-now-leads-‘dragon-tattoo’-sequel-with-steve-zallians-heavily-altered-script/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

leo3375
01-10-2012, 12:36 AM
It's been pretty steady at the box-office since it came out. Word of mouth and the good reviews are keeping it afloat. Now that the holiday season is over it may get more butts in the seats.

millionmilesaway
01-10-2012, 08:58 AM
finally went to see this last night, very good. a bit long and seems that there were points where it could have easily ended but then it just kept going. The theater was pretty empty, but I always see that as a plus when going (except for the one guy hacking up a lung full of mucus in the front of the theater, gross)

ManBurning
01-10-2012, 11:58 PM
finally went to see this last night, very good. a bit long and seems that there were points where it could have easily ended but then it just kept going. The theater was pretty empty, but I always see that as a plus when going (except for the one guy hacking up a lung full of mucus in the front of the theater, gross)

What time and date did you go to the showing? I had to travel across town last Saturday to get a theatre that wasn't sold out, we went downtown and all 3 showings were sold out, and we arrove an hour before the showing we wanted to see, was absolutly shocked.

onthewall2983
01-11-2012, 06:52 PM
Saw it today, 3 other people came in after me during the seemingly endless parade of commercials and trailers. Still processing it, but so far I think it's an improvement on the Swedish film. Cut a lot of the dead weight and felt more precise. And like clockwork I came home and downloaded the soundtrack from iTunes.

aggroculture
01-12-2012, 12:23 AM
I enjoyed it and have no major complaints, it was faithful to the book. The soundtrack was the weakest link: some of it was good, but some shows Trent is still finding his feet in the soundtrack genre.
My one critique of the movie would be the accents: they were ridiculous. I don't know what to suggest, but Christopher Plummer and Robin Wright's accents sounded absurd. Stellan Skarsgard sounded Irish.
Also, the "alteration" was pretty pointless: five more minutes of film would have kept the better original version intact. Rooney Mara as Lisbeth was fucking awesome, and Craig wasn't bad either. Good show all round, I hope they do make the next two.

xmd 5a
01-12-2012, 05:22 AM
I went in without much knowledge of the source material and I wasn't expecting to enjoy it quite as much as I did. I think I'm going to have to pick up the Swedish film trilogy on DVD now.

Alexandros
01-12-2012, 07:11 PM
Fincher does not disappoint. A very well made film in all respects. I'm not sure if I can think of any way it is inferior to the swedish film, except the fact that, if you have seen the swedish version, there are many things you feel you've seen before. But that can't be helped. As for the synergy between soundtrack and movie, I was expecting it to be more coherent, but it seemed a little disjointed in the film. I feel many tracks remained underdeveloped and didn't have the impact I was hoping for. Sometimes they were great and absolutely fitting, yet other times they were kind of distracting.

millionmilesaway
01-12-2012, 08:32 PM
well a 7pm showing on Monday night kinda helps with the crowding factor... I ended up checking out the Swedish version for comparison and I prefer the US version better, although I did not read the books.

I felt the soundtrack to be a bit distracting at some times, but still very good. my date really picked up on the range of accents, I couldnt really tell the differences myself.

sick among the pure
01-13-2012, 08:31 AM
Took the uArts spring orientation kids to see it last night (paid for by the school) after having seen it with my fiance when it first came out. They all loved it. They laughed maniacally and cheered when Lisabeth got her revenge. I like this springs new students.

witte
01-13-2012, 10:01 AM
I have tickets for the pre premiere this saturday and sunday. The official cinema screening starts january 19th (talking about Belgium/Netherlands).
:) :)