The movie is some schlocky fun.
I wasn't offended by it.
Although someone on here posted something about the truth regarding the Amityville case, and I actually looked into it.
I sorta got obsessed with it for a couple days, and despite all the people who claim it was a grand hoax (and the fact that I really never believed in stuff like this), I found something REALLY creepy.
Distubing actually...
I watched the documentary disc that's packaged in the Amityville box set called "Amityville Confidential." In one of the documentary style movies called "horror or hoax" that I guess were posted on the History channel, there's a scene where the show photographs taken in the house shortly after the Lutz's ran away from the house...
And in one of them there's a clear picture of a small child staring at the camera with glowing white eyes.
The boy's mouth is twisted in a grimace... he looks torn between anger and depression.
For some reason I couldn't find anything about it online except for a couple references to it... But I decided to look up online the images of the children who were murdered in that house...
And one of the young boys who was killed looks EXACTLY like that kid. It scared the living fuck out of me... this isn't a vague resemblence... its a dead ringer.
Truly fucking disturbing.
I wasn't offended by it.
Although someone on here posted something about the truth regarding the Amityville case, and I actually looked into it.
I sorta got obsessed with it for a couple days, and despite all the people who claim it was a grand hoax (and the fact that I really never believed in stuff like this), I found something REALLY creepy.
Distubing actually...
I watched the documentary disc that's packaged in the Amityville box set called "Amityville Confidential." In one of the documentary style movies called "horror or hoax" that I guess were posted on the History channel, there's a scene where the show photographs taken in the house shortly after the Lutz's ran away from the house...
And in one of them there's a clear picture of a small child staring at the camera with glowing white eyes.
The boy's mouth is twisted in a grimace... he looks torn between anger and depression.
For some reason I couldn't find anything about it online except for a couple references to it... But I decided to look up online the images of the children who were murdered in that house...
And one of the young boys who was killed looks EXACTLY like that kid. It scared the living fuck out of me... this isn't a vague resemblence... its a dead ringer.
Truly fucking disturbing.
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The story was not completely fabricated. I believe that the Defeo's lawyer, George & Kathy Lutz got a bit tipsy one night and fabricated a lot of what the story became today. Sure a lot of it was made up, but there is some evidence (like those pictures) that shows that there was really a haunting in that house.
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Jinsai, can you capture that pic from the DVD and upload it somewhere?
BTW to this day George Lutz claims it's all true, though it was embellished by Jay Anson a bit and by the studio when the movie was made.
BTW to this day George Lutz claims it's all true, though it was embellished by Jay Anson a bit and by the studio when the movie was made.
sure... I'll try to rip the image from the dvd.
I'm not sure how real the Lutz's story is... but that doesn't detract from the fact that a horrible tragedy happened in the house shortly before they ran out of there...
And if ghosts of some kind do exist, its not unthinkable that they would linger after a horrible incident like that.
I've never seen anything like it... The lights get really REALLY bright, then go out... and when they go out the kid is standing there, staring right at the camera and his fucking eyes are GLOWING white.
One of the scariest things I've ever seen... Even more intense when you look at the pictures of the Defeo kids online and compare them with the image of the kid...
I also looked at the diagram of the house where the murders took place... the kid is standing RIGHT outside of the room he was murdered in.
Man.. the kid's eyes...sent chills up my spine.
You guys ever seen Clash of the Titans? Remember the way Medusa's eyes looked when she tried to turn people into stone? Looks almost exactly like that.
And when the picture was being taken, they were investigating the house with a crew of psychics and a news crew who was documenting it.
There's no way there was a kid who broke into the house and ran around without being noticed by this crew of over ten people... let alone that he would only show up in one frame on a camera that was running all night taking pictures by the stairs.
The only other possibility is that someone altered the photograph to insert the kid.
But the picture was taken in the mid seventies. Obviously, they didn't have any tools like photoshop... It would have been a great deal more difficult to alter the photo.
And to the best of my knowledge, they didn't even draw the startling comparison to the Defeo kid.
BY THE WAY: I've never tried to rip any images from a dvd... I know my friend has some dvd ripping software that can extract segments... hopefully I won't have to drive over there just to rip this 10 second video clip...
I'm on a Macintosh Powerbook w/ a dvd drive. Anyone know of a way I could do this here?
Thanks
*EDIT* - I have figured out how to take screen shots on my powerbook. yay. I'll upload the images of the ghost w/ the pics of the child very soon. Honestly....
so very very disturbing.
I'm not sure how real the Lutz's story is... but that doesn't detract from the fact that a horrible tragedy happened in the house shortly before they ran out of there...
And if ghosts of some kind do exist, its not unthinkable that they would linger after a horrible incident like that.
I've never seen anything like it... The lights get really REALLY bright, then go out... and when they go out the kid is standing there, staring right at the camera and his fucking eyes are GLOWING white.
One of the scariest things I've ever seen... Even more intense when you look at the pictures of the Defeo kids online and compare them with the image of the kid...
I also looked at the diagram of the house where the murders took place... the kid is standing RIGHT outside of the room he was murdered in.
Man.. the kid's eyes...sent chills up my spine.
You guys ever seen Clash of the Titans? Remember the way Medusa's eyes looked when she tried to turn people into stone? Looks almost exactly like that.
And when the picture was being taken, they were investigating the house with a crew of psychics and a news crew who was documenting it.
There's no way there was a kid who broke into the house and ran around without being noticed by this crew of over ten people... let alone that he would only show up in one frame on a camera that was running all night taking pictures by the stairs.
The only other possibility is that someone altered the photograph to insert the kid.
But the picture was taken in the mid seventies. Obviously, they didn't have any tools like photoshop... It would have been a great deal more difficult to alter the photo.
And to the best of my knowledge, they didn't even draw the startling comparison to the Defeo kid.
BY THE WAY: I've never tried to rip any images from a dvd... I know my friend has some dvd ripping software that can extract segments... hopefully I won't have to drive over there just to rip this 10 second video clip...
I'm on a Macintosh Powerbook w/ a dvd drive. Anyone know of a way I could do this here?
Thanks
*EDIT* - I have figured out how to take screen shots on my powerbook. yay. I'll upload the images of the ghost w/ the pics of the child very soon. Honestly....
so very very disturbing.
OK!
Lets see if this works.
This first picture is the empty doorway before the child shows up:
Then the light on the ceiling suddenly gets really bright and then goes out...
Then the the kid shows up, standing outside the room he was murdered in, staring at the camera. See him?
note how you can see his full body.. the clothes he's wearing, etc etc...
Here's a closer image (sorry for the reduction in quality, I'm working with poor-man's photoshop software)
and here's a picture of the murdered Defeo brothers... Marc Defeo on the left and John-Matthew Defeo on the right
and here's a screen shot of the kid's face
Some side notes... in the fourth picture the child is clearly wearing something with a plaid striped pattern.
The covers on his bed match that exact same pattern.
I know this because I was dumb enough to actually look at the crime scene photos - and NO I will not link to that. I felt sick after seeing it... the kid was face down in his bed, his back exploded... absolutely horrible.
Though I also found another picture of the child while he was alive, wearing a shirt with the same pattern.
Another strange thing that might be of some interest... Even the people who were discussing the photo of the ghost didn't draw any comparisons to the Defeo boy.
I don't see how they coudn't.. the similarity is uncanny
Lets see if this works.
This first picture is the empty doorway before the child shows up:
Then the light on the ceiling suddenly gets really bright and then goes out...
Then the the kid shows up, standing outside the room he was murdered in, staring at the camera. See him?
note how you can see his full body.. the clothes he's wearing, etc etc...
Here's a closer image (sorry for the reduction in quality, I'm working with poor-man's photoshop software)
and here's a picture of the murdered Defeo brothers... Marc Defeo on the left and John-Matthew Defeo on the right
and here's a screen shot of the kid's face
Some side notes... in the fourth picture the child is clearly wearing something with a plaid striped pattern.
The covers on his bed match that exact same pattern.
I know this because I was dumb enough to actually look at the crime scene photos - and NO I will not link to that. I felt sick after seeing it... the kid was face down in his bed, his back exploded... absolutely horrible.
Though I also found another picture of the child while he was alive, wearing a shirt with the same pattern.
Another strange thing that might be of some interest... Even the people who were discussing the photo of the ghost didn't draw any comparisons to the Defeo boy.
I don't see how they coudn't.. the similarity is uncanny
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Jinsai that's fucking creepy! I'm scared to look in this thread anymore, seriously!
*runs away crying*
*runs away crying*
I will wait for it to come out on DVD since this does not look very promising.
ok that shit completely intrigues me to do some research thanx jinsai. You just gave me something to do !
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http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp
Quote:
Claim: The Amityville Horror is based on a true story.
Status: False.
- The Lutzes could not have found the demonic hoofprint in the snow when they said they did, because weather records showed there had been no snowfall to leave prints in.
- Though the book details extensive damage to the home's doors and hardware, the original locks, doorknobs, and hinges were actually untouched.
- The book and film show police being called to the house, but, Nickell writes, "During the 28-day 'siege' that drove [the Lutz family] from the house, they never once called the police."
Status: False.
- The Lutzes could not have found the demonic hoofprint in the snow when they said they did, because weather records showed there had been no snowfall to leave prints in.
- Though the book details extensive damage to the home's doors and hardware, the original locks, doorknobs, and hinges were actually untouched.
- The book and film show police being called to the house, but, Nickell writes, "During the 28-day 'siege' that drove [the Lutz family] from the house, they never once called the police."
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Wow, thats creepy. I've been needing to get that box set.
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Wow, thats creepy. I've been needing to get that box set.
I dunno if its necessary. It IS very cheap, and it has the documentary... which I enjoyed quite a bit.
There are actually two documentaries... they're both really similar, though they each have a few different scenes + quotes.
It's definitely fun to throw on if you're bored or want a good scare.
And it of course also has the first movie, which is a great haunted house movie.
I just watched the sequel for the first time and I gotta say that I'm not impressed... I'm sure Amityville 3D (which isn't actually 3D on the dvd) will suck alot too.
I could offer a review for the second movie, but I'll just say that I found it to be in very bad taste.
Kind of sick and exploitative actually...
And, to be honest, the only part of the documentary that was REALLY awesome was that clip of the kid in the doorway.
Still, its only 26 bucks, so its not gonna break the bank.
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Jinsai wrote:
Another strange thing that might be of some interest... Even the people who were discussing the photo of the ghost didn't draw any comparisons to the Defeo boy.
I don't see how they coudn't.. the similarity is uncanny
I don't see how they coudn't.. the similarity is uncanny
They're idiots, then. Lutz spent a great deal of time talking about that photo and the similarity to the youngest kid who was murdered when I saw him speak in 2002. He also showed an autopsy photo of the child and compared it to the face of the "ghost."
Other interesting things discussed by Lutz (no idea how true they are, but they make for great storytelling):
The photo was discovered by his secretary fairly recently. They had been sitting in a filing cabinet since the seventies. The camera which took the photos was rigged in the stairwell to take a photo every minute or so throughout the night, so there were a whole pile of photos of the stairwell, most of them identical. His secretary was leafing through them as she was cleaning up some of his records. At the time she was pregnant and (so the story goes), when she got to that particular photo, her baby kicked. She took a closer look, and saw the boy, which was easy to miss at first look (the photos posted here have been enlarged, obviously).
When Lutz showed the photo to his now-adult daughter (so the story goes), she revealed that the boy in the photo always used to come into her room and play with her when she was a child living in the house. She had mentioned him to her parents, who just assumed she had an imaginary friend.
Like I said, it makes a damn good story. Seriously, who gives a shit whether it's true or not? Either you believe him, or you don't, or you're not sure. You can discredit or verify anything if you try hard enough - and discrediting or verifying one part of a tale doesn't mean anything with regard to the rest of it.
where did you find this information? I've been scanning the net for days now looking into it. It's fascinating. I'm not sure if I believe it... but oh well.
I've heard of a second photograph that depicts a ghost face leaning out of the wall and staring at the photographer, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
The image I posted above I captured from a dvd documentary. I couldn't find that image online anywhere either.
I've heard of a second photograph that depicts a ghost face leaning out of the wall and staring at the photographer, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
The image I posted above I captured from a dvd documentary. I couldn't find that image online anywhere either.
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I normally hate hollywood remakes. *Big Cult Horror fan*
But this one i thought was very effective. A lot of scares, nice cinematography very creepy in places.
Out of all the horror films i've seen. I've never seen the original Amityville, although i've seen the sequal which is really funny.
The Defeo crime scene photos- Be warned: Quite graphic, disturbing and don't eat while viewing them... Trust me
(I posted the link earlier but the site is totally rank!)
Sorry. Just google it!
But this one i thought was very effective. A lot of scares, nice cinematography very creepy in places.
Out of all the horror films i've seen. I've never seen the original Amityville, although i've seen the sequal which is really funny.
The Defeo crime scene photos- Be warned: Quite graphic, disturbing and don't eat while viewing them... Trust me
(I posted the link earlier but the site is totally rank!)
Sorry. Just google it!
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now_i'm_nothing wrote:
Here's the link to the Defeo crime scene photos- Be warned: Quite graphic, disturbing and don't eat while viewing them... Trust me
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/amityville_crime_scene_photos_victims_murdered_by_ronnie_defeo_Apr_13_2005.html
Here's the link to the Defeo crime scene photos- Be warned: Quite graphic, disturbing and don't eat while viewing them... Trust me
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/amityville_crime_scene_photos_victims_murdered_by_ronnie_defeo_Apr_13_2005.html
You're right. The wallpaper was truly horrifying, and that gross skillet in the sink! YUK!
Looks like some pretty crappy police photography, too. Some of those photos were double exposed. Overall, I've seen better stuff watching "The New Detectives" on A&E.
s.
*edit* since this thread has been changed all around and posts have been removed, the comments I made here are now out of place so I deleted them. Besides, the entire content of this post has been quoted below.
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I'd really like to somehow spliot that last post into two so I can split it off like I did the other off-topic posts. take it to the shitlist, thanks.
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Jinsai wrote:
where did you find this information? I've been scanning the net for days now looking into it. It's fascinating. I'm not sure if I believe it... but oh well.
I've heard of a second photograph that depicts a ghost face leaning out of the wall and staring at the photographer, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
The image I posted above I captured from a dvd documentary. I couldn't find that image online anywhere either.
I've heard of a second photograph that depicts a ghost face leaning out of the wall and staring at the photographer, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
The image I posted above I captured from a dvd documentary. I couldn't find that image online anywhere either.
From my first post in this thread:
Mormolyke wrote:
I met George Lutz and heard him talk about his experiences for about two hours at a convention a couple of years ago. It was awesome.
God, I ask Levi to split up this thread and he screws it up. Thanks for nothing!
Jinsai wrote:
Mormolyke wrote:
You're so stupid Jinsai!!! I hate you so much! Have I mentioned that you're stupid? I want you to know that I don't think you're very intelligent. Your music sucks! Did you hear me? I'm calling you stupid!!! Hello? In fact, I think you're stupid! So do all the administrators! We laugh at you and make really funny jokes about you! We pat each other on the back and congratulate each other for how witty we are for thinking you're STUPID! I consider your brain to be inferior to most, and I might even go so far as to call you STUPID! STUPID STUPID STUPID! Trent Reznor hates you too because you're stupid! You're a dumb, stupid, not smart person who isn't very smart and you're stupid! I'm from Australia!
Go fuck yourself Jinsai! God I hate you! I hate you more than I do myself.
Go fuck yourself Jinsai! God I hate you! I hate you more than I do myself.
Uh, wow, as far as inventing quotes goes, that was retarded.
Don't throw that holier-than-thou crap at me if you can't follow your own instructions, shit-for-brains. By the way, I thought you were leaving forever?
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Jinsai wrote:
I'm sorry, but what does any of this have to do with the Amityville Horror?
btw Now_Im_Nothing: that crime scene you linked connects to pages titled "horsebang" "goregasm" "brutal XXX" "Tortured X" and "forced sex." This website is a nasty spot in cyberspace.
It also links to "head trauma by machine gun" "suicide by jumping in front of train" and "beheading videos"
all of these links are connected to that main page which features the DeFeo murders... so I'd think this is a pretty fucked up URL and people should be aware of that as well before clicking that link.
Please check your computers for viruses and spyware.
Still.. the photos there are the same ones I saw before... and it sucks to see them. It's not necessary, please don't do it. It will replace everything that's creepy and interesting about this topic with something horrible and depressing.
With regards to the ghost pictures, the photo of the corpse of John-Matthew Defeo (the boy who bears striking resemblence to the 'ghost' in those photos) is "interesting" because of the plaid design on the bedsheets and curtains.
They match (or at least resemble...) the pattern on the ghost child's clothes.
Still... just trust me on that one. You don't need to look at a dead kid lying on his bed in his pajamas with a huge hole in his back to believe me that his covers and curtains have a similar plaid pattern on them.
It's like Rotten... and rotten fucking sucks.
(BTW: Morm, Roth may not like you either, but I think there are some other people on this board like jms who are much quicker to jump up and congratulate you. I don't think its all that unthinkable that others find you irritating.
You ruined a perfectly interesting thread with your bitching. This had nothing to do with our petty back-and-forth bullshit rant, and I think you've been a distraction.
I have no interest in turning this thread into another one of these fights. Throw your response in the shitlist. I'll check it out.
If you have any other interesting shit pertaining to the Amityville case, I'd appreciate hearing it.
Lets keep this particular thread to the movie, ghost theories, hoax explanations, or whatever else might pertain to anything other than the fact that we don't like each other.
There's a shitlist for that. You are "closely" connected with the administrators of this website, so I'm sure you already know that. Also, as you've been good enough to point out and link to, there's apparently a Jinsai-Hate-Thread out there).
Mormolyke wrote:
You're so stupid Jinsai!!! I hate you so much! Have I mentioned that you're stupid? I want you to know that I don't think you're very intelligent. Your music sucks! Did you hear me? I'm calling you stupid!!! Hello? In fact, I think you're stupid! So do all the administrators! We laugh at you and make really funny jokes about you! We pat each other on the back and congratulate each other for how witty we are for thinking you're STUPID! I consider your brain to be inferior to most, and I might even go so far as to call you STUPID! STUPID STUPID STUPID! Trent Reznor hates you too because you're stupid! You're a dumb, stupid, not smart person who isn't very smart and you're stupid! I'm from Australia!
Go fuck yourself Jinsai! God I hate you! I hate you more than I do myself.
-Monkeylike, Australian for dumb bitch
Go fuck yourself Jinsai! God I hate you! I hate you more than I do myself.
-Monkeylike, Australian for dumb bitch
I'm sorry, but what does any of this have to do with the Amityville Horror?
btw Now_Im_Nothing: that crime scene you linked connects to pages titled "horsebang" "goregasm" "brutal XXX" "Tortured X" and "forced sex." This website is a nasty spot in cyberspace.
It also links to "head trauma by machine gun" "suicide by jumping in front of train" and "beheading videos"
all of these links are connected to that main page which features the DeFeo murders... so I'd think this is a pretty fucked up URL and people should be aware of that as well before clicking that link.
Please check your computers for viruses and spyware.
Still.. the photos there are the same ones I saw before... and it sucks to see them. It's not necessary, please don't do it. It will replace everything that's creepy and interesting about this topic with something horrible and depressing.
With regards to the ghost pictures, the photo of the corpse of John-Matthew Defeo (the boy who bears striking resemblence to the 'ghost' in those photos) is "interesting" because of the plaid design on the bedsheets and curtains.
They match (or at least resemble...) the pattern on the ghost child's clothes.
Still... just trust me on that one. You don't need to look at a dead kid lying on his bed in his pajamas with a huge hole in his back to believe me that his covers and curtains have a similar plaid pattern on them.
It's like Rotten... and rotten fucking sucks.
(BTW: Morm, Roth may not like you either, but I think there are some other people on this board like jms who are much quicker to jump up and congratulate you. I don't think its all that unthinkable that others find you irritating.
You ruined a perfectly interesting thread with your bitching. This had nothing to do with our petty back-and-forth bullshit rant, and I think you've been a distraction.
I have no interest in turning this thread into another one of these fights. Throw your response in the shitlist. I'll check it out.
If you have any other interesting shit pertaining to the Amityville case, I'd appreciate hearing it.
Lets keep this particular thread to the movie, ghost theories, hoax explanations, or whatever else might pertain to anything other than the fact that we don't like each other.
There's a shitlist for that. You are "closely" connected with the administrators of this website, so I'm sure you already know that. Also, as you've been good enough to point out and link to, there's apparently a Jinsai-Hate-Thread out there).
I Totally agree with you.
I just googled it.
Thought it would be cool to get info on the real story.
I wasn't aware of the content on that site.
I'll take the link down right now.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone
no offense taken. I found that same page... and I was a little disturbed by the other sites it linked to...
But it is very hard to find any real information on the true story of the Amityville haunting... at least on the internet.
I guess there are some books, maybe I'll pick them up. But what I really want are the photos that Lutz has in his possesion... including the other 'ghost' picture of the spirit leaning out of the wall.
Also, as horrible and morbid as it sounds, I would like to see that autopsy photo of John DeFeo if it sheds any further light on the ghost image I uploaded.
But it is very hard to find any real information on the true story of the Amityville haunting... at least on the internet.
I guess there are some books, maybe I'll pick them up. But what I really want are the photos that Lutz has in his possesion... including the other 'ghost' picture of the spirit leaning out of the wall.
Also, as horrible and morbid as it sounds, I would like to see that autopsy photo of John DeFeo if it sheds any further light on the ghost image I uploaded.