Do ya'll think this is hypotcritical? or what is your opinon on this matter. I am just curious.

Huh?

I think the dichotomy is interesting. Especially, if you read fundie Christian reviews of the Nine Inch Nails albums. very funny stuff (if you're not or are) or something i have the utmost respect for (not really - NIN isn't the best to get the baby Jesus on to). I mean, hard-core, traditional christianity might. however, the more secular (ambivalent to dogma?) would really dig Nine Inch Nails.

It is odd if only as Nine Inch Nails seemingly tries to uproot organized religion (which Christian is mostly comprised of). I wouldn't go as far as to call it hypocritical, since Christianity is all over the board. I really couldn't lump them all into one group. Now if you mean fundie christianity (which i include "hates music that dares to question god and sounds loud/horny/angry" in the definition), than perhaps.

If someone is a Christian and listen to NIN do you think there is any contradiction

I'm not Christian, but I don't think there is a contradiction at all. I can't imagine belonging to a religion that would make me question my taste in music. Music is a very huge part of my life [like most people], I wouldn't let anyone or anything affect that.

Christians would tell you to throw all your NIN CD's in the garbage because they induce thoughts that aren't related to Jesus.

I'm more Christian than not and I don't have a problem with Heresy. (good question BTW). I think that song is centered toward Evangelical Right-wingers - which I am not and share a similar hatred toward. So that's that.

And I like Heresy because of that cool guitar riff. Wah-wupa-wouw-wouw...

But it takes a lot to offend me, and I'm not ur conventional Christian. I can listen to NIN and think its cool and sing along but there's still a separation between the words I'm hearing and the words I'm thinking.

And not all Christians are lunatics.

Umm... a fundie might say singing along to Heresy ("God is dead") or Suck ("there is no God up in the sky... tonight.") could be:


So long as you don't mind hell (fundie again), I guess it is possible. Just don't sing along. Also, some Christians might blindly see Closer as "just" being about naughty things that only mommies and daddies are allowed to do.

:rolls eyes:

here are some christian (not all of them) reviews of Nine Inch Nails releases:

Broken http://www.pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0001223.cfm
"Nine Inch Nails is part of the "industrial" movement, which typically relies on the metal-tinged, sample-laden dance music often associated with underground clubs."
The Downward Spiral http://www.pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0001222.cfm
"Anyone connected with this hateful sewage should be ashamed. So should the millions of young fans who bought copies. Pray that your teen isn't one of them."
The Fragile http://www.pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0000801.cfm
"This follow-up to 1994's The Downward Spiral (5 million copies sold) avoids angry songs about animalistic sex and suicide. For that we are truly grateful. Still, more than 100 minutes of self-destructiveness and pain make The Fragile only a mild improvement. Encourage teens to pray for Reznor instead of wallowing in his ear-splitting hopelessness."

anyways, Christian and Nine Inch Nails aren't incompatible. It is however, a secular choice rather than a religious-based. I don't expect prayer groups to listen to Nine Inch Nails for bible study anytime soon.

"It is rather odd." Odd is a big word for me, and it's not odd at all to me. Listening to Nine Inch Nails, or any secular music for that matter, is as relative as a Christian going into a non-Christian church for a sit-in observation, or something, if going out into the imperfect world itself already doesn't serve as an example of approaching something like that, something not of the belief. Difference from listening to liking Nine Inch Nails, is also, not a problem in my eyes. It's not like you're favoring it over anything of your religion, or way of life, either/or. I don't know, that's just a start at whereabout I tend to finish at on this topic. This all applies to every other religion, by the way, but of course... Trent didn't say "Allah is dead". (yes, I know it means the same thing, but you know what I'm saying...)

so because a couple of songs basically tell god to fuck off, christians would avoid the music? i'm sure they've never ever heard that type of thing said before.

to answer the question: no.

this is the stupidest fucking thing i have heard in a long time.

im surprised at the response...im just wondering this b/c im christian and my friends know i listen to NIN. but it just seems as if they lump it into devil music and how its about sex or somthing...assumily just b/c they've heard closer. I have no problems listening to it but i was just wondering b/c ive gotten addicted for the past 2 yrs. but lately have questioned it a little bit.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting addicted to good music.

ya i realize that and im very happy ive realized that there is more to NIN than Closer....which everyone i know associates with NIN and doesnt know anything else espically some of their truely beautiful pieces of music

During my senior year of high school my partner on a project saw my nin shirt and said they were satanic. I think he went to the big evangelical church/megadome nearby.

Yeah, if I'm trying to introduce to people to NIN, I throw alot of their instrumentals and songs off of Still at them. Because they have no idea how beautifully musical NIN can be. Its unfortunate that Closer is the song that NIN will always be known by by the masses.

My god, these days christianity itself has its own religions.People cant just say "im christian" and automatically be recognized. So many people call themselves christians, even people who smoke, fuck, do drugs, or never touched a bible in their lives; and you gotta to agree with that..."christian" or not, nothing matters anymore. Music is music. Im studying a pretty strict religion and i listen to NIn and Manson and Korn.

I think NIN and Christianity would be a contradiction. In many ways you can say that Trent's antics and his lyrics plus the topics of his lyrics are un-christian like. Not just un-christian but un-any religion really that has high moral values and ettiquette on the use of language and public behavior.

Once upon a time when I was religious and listned to NIN, I will honestly say that I felt that NIN was music to better the spirit and to give good values. Now that I am not religious, I still feel that way. I think NIN is like gangsta rap music. The lyrics mostly have no meaningful social value but it is fun to listen to anyways. I listen to NIN when I want to be violent and aggressive on purpose and without a cause except for being violent and aggressive for the sake of. Almost how I view some metal and industrial bands.

You don't listen to them to help you find God. You listen to them because you want to be like the Devil.

I remembered when Trent hosted that Australian music video show and he talked about going to an Eryka Badu concert and he mentioned that her music connecting with the crowd seemed so spiritual and inspiring and he wished that his music could be like that with his audience. I thought him saying that was so weird. I almost felt like he was being unrealistic. Having a spiritual and inspiring crowd means you create soul purposeful music with a message. Trent never had message to tell nor does his music can uplift the soul based on the type of lyrics he has written. A NIN crowd will never be like Eryka Badu's type of crowd. The type of music you write will reflect the type of crowd you will get in my opinion.

What a moronic thing to say.

I don't think so. What part of NIN is Jesus related? Absolutely nothing. What part of NIN is Godly in a religious or New Agey spiritual fashion? Nothing.

Not only is NIN secular music, but I think NIN verge on decadence for those who want to be shamelessly decadant.