ajp100688 wrote:I hate this whole mainstream=sucks idea, yes a good deal of mainstream music absolutely blows chunks but because WT is closer to that than it is to the blatantly unmainstream TDS or TF doesn't mean it's bad.
In summary, enough of this mainstream = awful nonsense.
While I agree with you--
With Teeth is a wonderful album despite its adherence to many mainstream music conventions--I disagree with your emphatic refutation of popularity being a barometer for suck. (Yes, that's correct: "suck" is here being used as a noun.) Before I proceed with my argument, a boring but necessary warning. It may be more pleasurable to skip it, and then read it if and only if you're outraged at my conclusions.
For the purposes of the following example, I'll be using IQ. IQ tests often aren't worth the paper they're printed on, and the particularly bad ones (culturally specific and unfair) have been misused by bigots the world over to "prove" the inferiority of whatever race is on the hate menu. They aren't a pseudoscience like phrenology, but they have been both abused and some engineered to produce similar results as pseudosciences, which usually have a specific political agenda. But IQ scores are easier to state and understand than the findings of a whole hell of a lot of other standardized intelligence tests--all of which paint the same general picture of society (even if individual results do vary and the idea that one race is inherently less intelligent than another is idiotic and assuredly unsupported): the distribution of human intelligence follows a standard bell curve. That caveat in mind, I have this to say.
The average human IQ is between 85 and 114. High functioning mental retardation occurs in people whose score falls between 70 and 84--think
Forrest Gump. People between 115 and 129 are "bright," and people between 130 and 144 are "moderately gifted." A genius IQ is equal to or greater than either 145 or 160, depending on who defines the term. So. Generally speaking, your average human being is very probably closer to a state of mental retardation than he or she is to genius. Koko the gorilla--the one that has a 1,000-word sign ASL vocabulary--tests between 78 and 95, for instance. Knowing this, it's actually a pretty sound notion to deduce that, if something appeals to the masses enough to be termed "mainstream," it probably is exceedingly accessible, undemanding, pandering, and something that appeals to lowest common denominators. For the "mainstream" to like something, the mainstream has to be able to at least sort of understand it, which means it's got to be within their capacities. More or less.
Friends is within most everyone's capacity for understanding.
Arrested Development was less so.
Finnegan's Wake is barely within anyone's capacities.
So, yeah, if something has garnered mainstream approval, that's generally indicative of an unchallenging and LCD nature, which in turn probably indicates a certain inherent amount of inherent suck. It's not
because a lot of people like something that it sucks, it's just that, for a lot of people to like something, it tends to
have to suck. (And yes, that time, "suck" was a verb.)