Gun Talk - News, Laws, etc.

[Demogorgon]

So my never-fired weapons contribute to the perception that gun owners like to shoot shit. K lol.

You own them out of the childish sentiment that having them pisses people off. Do you really not get how immature that is?

The perception of the antis is irrelevant. It's been tried and they will just continually take and take. Appealing to them is a waste of time when you can make their opinions irrelevant.

And your solution is to go out of your way to antagonize people by owning weapons you never intend to shoot? Way to contribute, dude.

[Demogorgon]

"Childish" lmao. It's over your head dude. It's cool. Don't worry about it. You continue to focus on a very very small aspect of what I explained.

I doubt that. Go ahead and explain it for me again. Use small words. I'm sure you're just a misunderstood social justice genius slumming it with the rest of us plebs. Lay it on me, I'm all eyes.

[cashpiles (closed)]

The United States is fucked. Canadians have just as many guns per capita... but our laws are different..and that could be what makes all the difference......

[Sarah K]

No they don't.

[cashpiles (closed)]

No they don't.

Wow you’re right. I guess this was some “common knowledge” thrown around in Canada thst seems to be false. Canada is 11th in the world, right under France..... but Canada is still far more peaceful...like 2/3 less gun murders...per capita

[Swykk]

Just let @DigitalChaos have his thread and the ridiculous mentality that if big bad gov decides to come get his guns (they won’t), he would get a single shot off. He’s just going to be a condescending prick to any challenge, well thought out or otherwise, and that’s a shame because over the years I had respect for him but that dwindles with every post in this thread. Goddammit, I hate this thread. Somebody tell me to stop reading it. It’s only good for eye rolls and sadness.

So let me be a condescending prick for a couple mean albeit logical thoughts here:

The dumbest gunnut belief of all is that their guns will mean a fucking thing when not only do the govt have more guns and better weapons in general but can also reduce you and your house to a paste via drone.

You want a pistol or two to protect your home from intruders? Cool. Not my thing, but I understand and respect your choice. You need a rifle to hunt? I really don’t like hunting, I think it’s pretty much the weakest and least impressive thing you can do but even for this lame purpose? Sure. Fine.

Which brings us to...

The second dumbest gunnut belief is that they need anything other than a pistol or two and/or rifle. The 2nd amendment was written when guns were musket loaded. The founding fathers didn’t anticipate assclowns walking around Target with AR 15s and small penises. Nobody needs an AR-15 that isn’t in the military, including police.

Because I imagine this might be the last time I post in this thread (never say never), let’s throw a “Fuck the NRA and their shitbag greedy lobbying that’s bought Congress and kept us from having many of the existing gun control laws enforced (also fuck the weak ATF) and from having any kind of sane gun control discussions.”

Flame away. I said my piece.

[Demogorgon]

Over the years you'd see that I give equal thought as a reply provides. Nothing about what Demogorgan's replies were "well thought out." They were purposefully myopic, and thus, not worth a deep reply.

1) You apparently don't know what "myopic" means.
2) My thoughts were direct observations of something you yourself said, chiefly that you own guns for the political clout it gives you in arguments rather than for any reasonable desire or need to own them. You've never even fired a shot, again by your own admission, and someone who actually understands and respects firearms on any level will make a point to go to a range and at least know how they operate and what they're capable of.
3) You didn't give a deep reply because your initial reasoning was exactly what I said it was and there isn't anything deeper to it. Someone on the previous thread asked you to clarify before I chimed in, and you essentially repeated yourself with different words. Despite my sarcasm, I still gave you a third opportunity to go in depth about your thoughts, and you've declined using the age old teenage trope "nah, you just don't understand". You aren't a radical of any stripe; you're irresponsible, self-absorbed, and terribly misinformed.

[cashpiles (closed)]

1) You apparently don't know what "myopic" means.
2) My thoughts were direct observations of something you yourself said, chiefly that you own guns for the political clout it gives you in arguments rather than for any reasonable desire or need to own them. You've never even fired a shot, again by your own admission, and someone who actually understands and respects firearms on any level will make a point to go to a range and at least know how they operate and what they're capable of.
3) You didn't give a deep reply because your initial reasoning was exactly what I said it was and there isn't anything deeper to it. Someone on the previous thread asked you to clarify before I chimed in, and you essentially repeated yourself with different words. Despite my sarcasm, I still gave you a third opportunity to go in depth about your thoughts, and you've declined using the age old teenage trope "nah, you just don't understand". You aren't a radical of any stripe; you're irresponsible, self-absorbed, and terribly misinformed.

gun collectors don’t need to shoot their guns... it’s purely for aesthetics... the look, the feel, the smell... why does he need to learn how to use them if he’s just collecting? What danger do they possibly pose if they aren’t loaded?

and don’t say someone is going to break into his house and steal them or load them....

maybe instead of judging, open your mind. You bloody pissant

[sick among the pure]

why does he need to learn how to use them if he’s just collecting? What danger do they possibly pose if they aren’t loaded?

Literally rule number one of handling a gun is you always treat it as if it is loaded and could fire. That means knowing how they work.

[sick among the pure]

Considering I built every gun in this category (of never having fired)... pretty sure I know how they work. Every single pin, spring, etc. This is much more knowledge about the internals than most military members who carry similar guns.

Gun collectors know how their guns work and treat them as loaded. There is never a need for bringing them to the range to achieve those skills.

Good to know, though I never said anything to the contrary. Just explaining to cashphiles why it's important that even collectors know their firearms and treat them with care and respect their capability.

[cashpiles (closed)]

Literally rule number one of handling a gun is you always treat it as if it is loaded and could fire. That means knowing how they work.

You check to see if the gun is loaded and a bullet is in the chamber... if there are no bullets in the gun you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. I could literally jam the tip of the barrel up my ass.

[Demogorgon]

Considering I built every gun in this category (of never having fired)... pretty sure I know how they work. Every single pin, spring, etc. This is much more knowledge about the internals than most military members who carry similar guns.

Knowing how to build a car doesn't teach you how to drive it. Knowing how to build a computer doesn't teach you how to program it. Knowing how to build a firearm doesn't teach you the correct posture, handling, or hand-eye coordination to actually hit a target without popping a shoulder or a wrist out of socket.

There is never a need for bringing them to the range to achieve those skills.

Yes, there absolutely is, as I've just mentioned. Not taking the time to do so, once again, is irresponsible.

[Demogorgon]

it’s purely for aesthetics... the look, the feel, the smell... why does he need to learn how to use them if he’s just collecting?

That isn't why he has them though, as he himself said. He said, multiple times, that he owns guns as a political and societal statement.

and don’t say someone is going to break into his house and steal them or load them....

Why would I say that? People who break into houses generally aren't looking for guns, they're looking for untraceable shit they can resell quickly.

maybe instead of judging, open your mind. You bloody pissant

oh no, please don't, my one weakness... petty insults... I'm so fragile, please stop... my delicate feelings simply can't take it. /sarcasm

It's a new forum, and good ol' cashpiles is still the worst troll in the history of ETS.

[Demogorgon]

This seems like it could be a big deal:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cks/901017001/

[Demogorgon]

Yeah, this situation looks to be one massive fuck up, and trying to seize all of these weapons is going to lead to more fuck ups and a lot of dangerous situations. These are people who aren't suppose to have guns in the first place because of something in their background check, so, it's rock and a hard place: let them keep the weapons knowing they may use them to do criminal acts, or move in and take them while trying not to get shot in the process. No winners here.

[allegro]

Considering I built every gun in this category (of never having fired)... pretty sure I know how they work. Every single pin, spring, etc. This is much more knowledge about the internals than most military members who carry similar guns.

Gun collectors know how their guns work and treat them as loaded. There is never a need for bringing them to the range to achieve those skills.

Gun owners who fire at ranges learn how to take their guns apart because you have to CLEAN them, and you need to take them apart to a certain degree in certain states while transportating the gun to the range.

You’re serious, you’ve never fired your gun?

You’ve said, in this thread, that you owned a gun to protect your family. Did that change?

Also, the talk in this thread always seems to ignore the revolver. SPRINGS, lol.

[allegro]

This is a scary article: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...221-story.html

[onthewall2983]

[aggroculture]

above all it's a lie

I really want to do shrooms. If there was a shroom store (like there were in the UK for a while before 2005), I'd walk in and buy them, and do them.

and yet it's been years, like 10+ years, since I've come across them.

No shrooms for me.

[Louie_Cypher]

was kind of watching the chief of the NRA on CNN while on the treadmill. why is thier solution always more guns? when is that logic ever work. cigarettes are bad. we need more cigarettes?there are a few more amendments to the constitution then just the 2nd.
-louie

[onthewall2983]

First National Bank and Enterprise Holdings severed ties with the NRA today. The world's largest asset manager has put gunmakers on notice today as well.

[Louie_Cypher]

so many holes in the idiots plan: funny how every solution envoles buying and selling more guns. NRA's by it's true name America Association of Arms dealers.
-Louie

[Louie_Cypher]

Let's talk about the holes in everyone's plan though. Here's a headline from the same day as the FL school shooting.

In California, Convicted Felon Amassed Huge Arsenal Of Self-Built Guns, Ammo
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27487...n-saavedra?amp

Yup. Dozens of guns, about half were self built. Some were full auto. Nearly 70,000 rounds of ammo.

The only reason they found out is because of the 4 guns he had registered and didn't turn into the state. There are many more who didn't make that kind of mistake.

When do we stop focusing on c and start focusing on what's causing people to do the things we don't want them to do?

i think you answered your own question but that doesn't mean prohibition should be taken off the table. high capacity magazines
other countries don't have theses issues. when i ask people who i consider smart intelligent responsible people why they own a gun it becomes more about status then anything image i knew a guy who came a large amount of stock money so he bought lambo i asked why he said it would be "cool" a year later he said it was stupid traffic id so bad it can't be opened up properly has to find a specialty shop for service and costs around 2k to change the oil. last i checked we're a top the food chain there is no zombie apocalypse, this ain't clint Eastwood this isn't thr movies most gun owners and up shooting themselves or their family.
-Louie

[allegro]

when i ask people who i consider smart intelligent responsible people why they own a gun it becomes more about status then anything. i knew a guy who came a large amount of stock money so he bought lambo i asked why he said it would be "cool" a year later he said it was stupid traffic id so bad it can't be opened up properly has to find a specialty shop for service and costs around 2k to change the oil. last i checked we're a top the food chain there is no zombie apocalypse

I shouldn't be laughing in such a serious thread but this post is hilarious and pretty true, thanks Louie!

Now it ends up that THREE MORE (total = four) armed Sheriff's deputies stayed outside, didn't go into the school in Parkland. Like, wtf, Opie. Fucking chicken shits.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ooting-n850946

A note has been passing around online pointing out that President Reagan and James Brady were shot even though they were surrounded by armed Secret Service agents, fwiw.

[Mantra]

Now it ends up that THREE MORE (total = four) armed Sheriff's deputies stayed outside, didn't go into the school in Parkland. Like, wtf, Opie. Fucking chicken shits.

Bet the conspiracy theorists are gonna latch onto this.

[allegro]

Yup. But it's not a reason to ignore it.

The FBI had 2 opportunities to investigate the kid.
The local police were called to his house 39 times.
And 4 cops waited outside while children were shot up and bled to death.
The kid was posting online with his full name making threats that were reported to the Feds, but they couldn't find him.


Yet these are the same people I am supposed to give my guns up to because they are going to protect me? LOLNO That this is an acceptable political response is enough of a conspiracy on its own. As is how ridiculously bad government is at doing their fucking job.

Kinda nitpicking but they were Sheriffs deputies; the Coral Springs PD arrived and saw the SD outside and got pissed, the CSPD ran into the school.

But, to make things worse, the CSPD had been monitoring security cams inside the school which were on a 20 minute delay ... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...222-story.html

Holy shit

The “communication failure” led police to believe they were tracking the shooter in real time, when in fact they were seeing footage from 20 minutes earlier, the chief said.

Cruz had already killed 17 and fled.

[Mantra]

Yup. But it's not a reason to ignore it.

The FBI had 2 opportunities to investigate the kid.
The local police were called to his house 39 times.
And 4 cops waited outside while children were shot up and bled to death.
The kid was posting online with his full name making threats that were reported to the Feds, but they couldn't find him.

I know, which is fucking crazy and the authorities deserve all the shit they're getting over not doing enough. Totally agree with all that.

That post of mine was just me thinking about those super fringey types of people, the ones who think that Sandy Hook was all staged, that everything under the sun is a false flag, that pizzagate is real, etc. As soon as they hear that the idiot cops sat around doing nothing while a fucking mass shooting was taking place inside, the wheels in their heads are gonna start spinning and they're gonna see it all as part of a big covert plot.

Yet these are the same people I am supposed to give my guns up to because they are going to protect me? LOLNO

I mean, I could just flip this reasoning around. If a bunch of highly trained law enforcement professionals can't manage to keep from horribly fucking up or from killing innocent people left and right, how's the average untrained American going to deal with it? Most people don't handle themselves well in a crisis at all. I know I certainly don't. People are idiots. Give them a bunch of guns and now they're just extremely DANGEROUS idiots.

[Mantra]

When do we stop focusing on prohibition and start focusing on what's causing people to do the things we don't want them to do?

What I don't want people to do: go on mass shooting sprees.

What's causing this: a culture of violence (e.g: the glorification of deadly weaponry).

[thelastdisciple]

A culture of violence but do we blame video games and movies? i don't think so, other first world countries have these things as well and they do not suffer anywhere near the same dysfunction.

[thevoid99]

A culture of violence but do we blame video games and movies? i don't think so, other first world countries have these things as well and they do not suffer anywhere near the same dysfunction.

Didn't we have this argument many years ago and we're back to it again?