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Faceplams: Wish is good on the whole. Feels overlong. The first truly notable occurrence of the 'superior B-sides' syndrome that would mark WMS and the self-titled, though.
Unintelligible Whispering
Wish is good on the whole. Feels overlong. The first truly notable occurrence of the 'superior B-sides' syndrome that would mark WMS and the self-titled, though.
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True. I basically never listen to Wish in its intended sequence. I replaced the cheesy stuff with the darker and much better b-sides of that era. This way it's even better than Disintegration.
.net (24.24.2.1447)
My god, wish, what an album. highlights for me are trust, a letter to Elise, end, to wish impossible things, and I think unstuck. As others have said it has amazing b sides (halo!) but some of the remixes are also really really good. There's a great 12" mix of Elise which is quite different (throws away the wood percussion main melody, which I love anyway).
Green sea is a great song but I've always thought it was trying a little too hard to repeat Prayers for Rain.
I doubt we'll see a proper deluxe reissue of wish ever and that kills me.
desperately chilled
i love the pop songs (especially 'high') but also concur that the b-sides are often superior than the album cuts. wish gets a lot of detractors from older cure fans, most of which are done with the band after disintegration. this has ALWAYS frustrated me, as i'll go to bat any day of the week for bloodflowers, a good portion of wild mood swings (see earlier this thread), and hell, i even love many of the mixes on mixed up.
we'll see about that remastered edition... would love it to have all thelost wishes stuff and other assorted instrumentals represented, and also this excellent (and superior) demo of 'wendy time' that shows how good this track is at its source:
for me, wish is one of the greatest guitar records of the 90s. it's not my favorite cure record (that's 17 seconds interchanged with faith or pornography, depending on what day you ask), but it's a corker, for sure.
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Yes! I'm with you all the way with post-disintegration Cure. Bloodflowers has got to be their most underrated record. I understand that a lot of older fans don't like the pop stuff as much and prefer the doom sound (so do I btw) but there's not one Cure album I'd give up because all of them have great work even if its not every track. I think they get held to an impossible standard because of pornography, disintegration, and faith. How many bands have multiple perfect records? Not many, so the Cure's work is always judged against itself I think.Originally Posted by frankie teardrop
Also I hadn't heard that version of Wendy Time. WOW, I do wish they would have taken it more in that direction on Wish. One track like that could have tipped the scales for all the doubters. Now I just want a remaster deluxe edition of Wish even more
Matador de Froot Loops
I always have trouble getting into "Bloodflowers", i really like "Out of this world" and "39", but the album is so loaded it's really hard for me to find the mood for it...
she/her/hers
bloodflowers was my gateway to the cure. my friend jared & i listened to it over and over and over for a couple years after it came out. i didn't get deep into their catalog until a few years later. "watching me fall" is one of my top 5, and its use on an episode of buffy is awesome.
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"Out of This World" is one of the dreamiest, most beautiful songs ever recorded.
Unintelligible Whispering
Bloodflowers was the 2nd Cure album I ever heard, at its release, and it totally turned me off the band at the time until I discovered the older albums years later. I remember wondering at the time why in the hell it felt so ear-achingly loud (though compared to later industry standard it's not even noticeable). The funny thing is, I thought it too miserable to get into, and many years later it was Seventeen Seconds, Faith and Pornography that really brought me around. Time makes fools of us all.
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Bloodflowers was album #2 for me when I discovered the cure in around 2001, and I loved it at the time. I thought it would be the last cure record ever due to the lyrical content and I felt sad that I'd missed the boat. Fast forward 16 years and I can't remember the last time I've listened to it.
I remember thinking it felt really personal because it felt "smaller", like the critical acclaim had moved on and this was one last album for the fans. The cover art still feels that way to me, although I always picture it with my cracked jewel case superimposed.
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Unintelligible Whispering
And more. The guy's a tease.
"So, 50 boxes of ‘stuff’ has just arrived at mine. Just peeked and apart from dust they seem to be filled with what looks like films, photographs, memorabilia. They go by the year. Hm. Can’t wait to get cracking, though might take me a while. I can feel Christmas is nearly here."
Unintelligible Whispering
Holy shit I wonder if the Carnage Visors tape is in there
she/her/hers
AHHHHHHHHhhhHHHHhHHHhhhhhhh
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The Cure are playing a massive 40th anniversary show in Hyde Park on July 7. Ride, Twilight Sad, Interpol, Editors, Goldfrapp, Slowdive opening. Only European date.
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FATUM NOS IUNGET
What a fuckin' lineup.
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"only EUROPEAN show of 2018" hmmmmm
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2 hour set? They usually do 3 to 3 and a half
.net (24.24.2.1447)
Stoked for this. Got my tickets booked.
This is true, but not always. Got short changed at Manchester last year, only show they curtailed an encore on the whole tour. C'est la vie. Although probably still >2 hours.
FATUM NOS IUNGET
It's still two hours with one of the best bands ever.
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Slowdive & Ride & Twilight Sad all good too. I would fly over but I can't make any long range plans right now. Lots of big changes coming in 2018
The Virus Inside
Oh yeah? Well don't keep us waiting/guessing. Spill the beans!
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well let's see. looking like major spinal surgery first part of the year. & then looking like early retirement on disability possibly. i had been trying to go 3 more years but the docs say not going to happen. that's not so bad in a lot of ways as i really dislike my job & the company i work for. they are a big corporate satan. i'm a ghost in the machine.
The Virus Inside
Damn, I was hoping your response was going to be more in the vein of positive change like quitting to live your dream or starting a business or getting married or having a kid or something.
But at least there's a bit of a positive spin on it if you hate your job and will be forced into early retirement. I can't stand my job either, but at Least it pays well enough for me to keep traveling to see NIN, which is all that really matters to me anyway. I'll push through the pain and suffering at work, as it all goes away temporarily when I'm at a NIN show.
Damn, will be a sad day when there are no more NIN shows... this got more dark than I wanted it to.
Anyway, good luck with your surgery.
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Thank you. Sorry I went off. I don't like to whine. I've been fighting RA for several years. This year has been rugged. I'm tired....Damn, I was hoping your response was going to be more in the vein of positive change like quitting to live your dream or starting a business or getting married or having a kid or something.
But at least there's a bit of a positive spin on it if you hate your job and will be forced into early retirement. I can't stand my job either, but at Least it pays well enough for me to keep traveling to see NIN, which is all that really matters to me anyway. I'll push through the pain and suffering at work, as it all goes away temporarily when I'm at a NIN show.
Damn, will be a sad day when there are no more NIN shows... this got more dark than I wanted it to.
Anyway, good luck with your surgery.
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So I listened to Disintegration all the through today and thoroughly enjoyed it. What would you guys suggest as a next step?
she/her/hers
if you want something in a similar vein musically, go for Wish. if you want something in a similar vein emotionally, go for bloodflowers.
something i tend to do when i get into a band is i start with an album (sometimes their newest, sometimes not) and work my way backwards, chronologically. so next up for you in that order would be Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, which is one of my favorites.
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The normal procedure for listening to Disintegration is to just put it on again immediately after.
You could go one of two ways I'd say... Either you complete the trilogy and listen to Bloodflowers and Pornography, or otherwise reach for The Head on the Door. It's the 'other side' to classic Cure.
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The Head on the Door
Throbbing Member
I should have mentioned Disintegration is my first Cure album haha but you guys seem to have got the idea
I think I might go Wish next and then Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me after - I really enjoyed the music on Disintegration!
Hehe I listened to it a couple of times - once out of curiosity and then again and it just really clicked with me
Noted, thanks
Matador de Froot Loops
I would go with "Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me", it has some "Disintegration-ish" songs, but it also expands the music into their "poppier" side.
If you like the "poppier" tunes go to "Head on the Door", if you prefer the darker stuff go either to "Wish" or "Pornography".
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