oh okay. didn't know that since the were there from the beginning of the 2007 shows. It just seemed odd that Troy is so enthusiastic about the two of them to participate in a new album although they have been in a band together for 5 years now. so color me curious on how QOTSA will end up sounding on the new record. (not a big fan of the recent outpouts although Them Crooked Vultures restored my faith somehow.)