The Fragile - the ULTIMATE re-issue

[Prettybrokenspiral]

is this fucking re-issue EVER coming out, WTF??

[buckaroo]

is this fucking re-issue EVER coming out, WTF??

I feel the same way. It isn't the fact that this is taking what seems like forever to come out. It's the fact that it was announced such a long time ago. I really wish they would have waited until the project was finished to announce it or at least give some solid updates along the way. I am sure this will be worth the wait, but why does this happen so often with stuff Trent is involved with (tapeworm, with teeth deluxe, Ghosts film festival, Year Zero TV show, final shows, HTDA full-length, etc.)? It seems like Trent is always getting excited and announcing stuff prematurely. Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely happy with what has been released and would be happy without anything else. However, it sucks to keep getting your hopes up for stuff that may never come out.

[BenAkenobi]

buckaroo:
...with teeth deluxe...

wasn't that released simultaneously as CD+DVD or DualDisc?

[buckaroo]

buckaroo:
...with teeth deluxe...

wasn't that released simultaneously as CD+DVD or DualDisc?

I don't remember the details, but wasn't there supposed to be some deluxe version of it with an essay written by Trent?

[Leviathant]

Via Canoe circa 2005:

In response to disappointed NIN fans who have questioned this logic, Reznor told the Sun for the first time that a special With Teeth packaging is in the works. To coincide with an arena tour set to be announced in June, he has planned a deluxe box to be sold at shows and on-line. "If you want to, you'll be able to buy a real deluxe book that the record fits into. It's a super nice thing that will have a big essay from me and a lot of pictures. It's more of a presentation and the artwork that you have now, that maybe you didn't quite understand, you'll see how it all fits into this. You'll get it."

Sadly, we never got it. Maybe for the 10th anniversary? Heh, wait, what thread am I in again.

[GibbonBlack]

"Reznor told the Sun" is all you need to hear to know that isn't happening

[howdidislipinto]

"Reznor told the Sun" is all you need to hear to know that isn't happening

The Toronto Sun, not the other Sun. (Not that this changes any likelihood of it happening.)

I feel like Trent abandoned (what we'd now call) the ARG aspects of With Teeth once he had the "better idea" with YZ. Probably the right move, but I'm still curious about what kind of story he was trying to tell with WT.

[FernandoDante]

This With Teeth deluxe edition deal just made this thread even more depressing.

[Shnoorum]

The Toronto Sun, not the other Sun. (Not that this changes any likelihood of it happening.)

I know nothing of The Toronto Sun but it has to be a more reliable source then the UK Sun. The Sun over here is more likely to take pictures of Trent shopping and post them in their paper with a terrible pun then actually release anything note worthy about his work.

I've just realised that this discussion is over With Teeth Deluxe version, not The Fragile so your statement stands without question. However, I'm still posting this as don't like wasting a chance to shit on The Sun

[ItsJustDave]

It's more of a presentation and the artwork that you have now, that maybe you didn't quite understand, you'll see how it all fits into this. You'll get it.

I've suggested this before, but here goes again. What if the With Teeth lyrics poster was the first hint in an ARG that we never got?

[bgalbraith]

I've suggested this before, but here goes again. What if the With Teeth lyrics poster was the first hint in an ARG that we never got?

As cool as this could be, I don't think it makes sense. ARGs are frequently marketing tools designed to engage the already-engaged fan at a deeper level. I don't recall with YZ, but I know with TGWTDT, 42e/MouthTapedShut occasionally had to offer hints and make adjustments depending on how things were going. An ARG that no one figures out would be a pretty costly failure, especially one that never even made itself known.

[botley]

I think what Dave's suggesting is that something like an ARG was planned to go along with the With Teeth poster/deluxe packaging, but it was cancelled... possibly due to time restrictions imposed by problems with the coinciding tour (such as exploding drummers). The deluxe version's essay would have potentially concerned itself with how Trent's newfound sober sense of reality was leading him to discover things about the political situation that were bugging him, and this sort of commentary was more eloquently delivered in the Year Zero ARG, so it never saw the light of day.

I know nothing of The Toronto Sun but it has to be a more reliable source then the UK Sun. The Sun over here is more likely to take pictures of Trent shopping and post them in their paper with a terrible pun then actually release anything note worthy about his work.

It's maybe one sliver of an iota above that level, but only barely... a right-wing tabloid rag and sports statistics delivery system.

[jmtd]

This With Teeth deluxe edition deal just made this thread even more depressing.

Remember, David Carson has been paid to work on this project, and so has Alan Moulder, at least. So, if it doesn't actually happen, NIN have thrown a fair bit of cash away. It's bound to happen IMHO, just not until HTDA sales are past the middle of the bell curve.

[ajp100688]

I think there's a good possibility that it all comes down to just how deluxe Interscope is willing to allow this to get. Let's not forget that The Fragile performed very poorly in the charts after its first week, so maybe they aren't too excited to pour funds, time and resources into a really amazing reissue if they fear similar sales this time out. As we speak, they are probably arguing with TR about how many different editions to make and how much they should cost.

I know this is an ancient post but The Fragile didn't perform that badly. There's this widespread belief that TF was a total failure because of how it dropped off the charts after it's first week. Yes it did, that's true, but it was released in an era far removed from '94, where pop music was king and Nu-Metal was beginning to dominate the Rock side of things along with Manson although back then Rock bands could still sell loads unlike now (...unless your name is Radiohead or Muse). So yeah it was released at a time not really suited to NIN unlike '94 was and five looong years after Trent's last proper album...yet it still went platinum and sold over a million copies. That's not bad, not brilliant either but the label probably saw a fair profit off it. TF is definitely a long tail album aswell, it's probably gone over 2 million by now due to it's critical reaction as the best NIN album which has only emerged over time.

I doubt Interscope are holding back because they don't think they'll make any money, if they're to blame for it, then it's usual record label bureaucracy and bullshit rather than a fear of not making money.

[SM Rollinger]

heres how i have my fragile playlist, and i think it would make a epic 3/4 disc version. combines tracks from still, the singles from the era and unreleased tracks from tr's acct on remix.nin.com. anyways, its epic as hell and over 3 hrs long!

01 leaving hope
02 the new flesh (from tfa.com)
03 somewhat damaged
04 tdtwwa
05 the frail
06 the wretched
07 gone still
08 witt
09 the fragille
10 and all that could have been
11 just like you imagined
12 complications of the flesh
13 even deeper (tt love dub)
14 even deeper
15 pilgrimage
16 no, you dont
17 metal
18 untitled (from tfa.com)
19 la mer (version)
20 la mer
21 great below
22 the way out is thru
23 into the void
24 slipping away
25 great collapse
26 presistence of loss
27 where is everybody?
28 mark has been made
29 10 miles high
30 please
31 appendage
32 where is everybody? (version)
33 starfukers
34 complication
35 new flesh
36 no, you dont (version)
37 tdtwwa (quiet)
38 looking forward to joing u
39 big come down
40 underneath it all
41 adrift and at peace
42 ripe w/ decay

thats just my prefrence. IMO things falling apart would have been 900% better had it included the la mer, where is everybody and no you dont (versions), especially in place of some of the redundant, ho hum starfuckers mixes.

[jessamineny]

I noticed that on Spotify, you can't listen to Starfuckers as part of The Fragile (though you can listen to the remixes on TFA). Makes me wonder if he's truly decided that the song doesn't belong on TF, as it stands as a work of art, and whether it could be left off the reissue.

[sheepdean]

I noticed that on Spotify, you can't listen to Starfuckers as part of The Fragile (though you can listen to the remixes on TFA). Makes me wonder if he's truly decided that the song doesn't belong on TF, as it stands as a work of art, and whether it could be left off the reissue.

Um, yes you can. I just checked it on my spotify (UK) and through tunnelbear, and Starfuckers comes up fine on the album page. Do note that if your version ripped to your computer isn't called the EXACT thing that spotify calls theirs (including placing of capitals) then it might not recognise it as a track that spotify already has.

[jessamineny]

Um, yes you can. I just checked it on my spotify (UK) and through tunnelbear, and Starfuckers comes up fine on the album page. Do note that if your version ripped to your computer isn't called the EXACT thing that spotify calls theirs (including placing of capitals) then it might not recognise it as a track that spotify already has.

It's not ripped on my computer. Perhaps you can play it *because* it's ripped to your computer.

"This track is not available. If you have the track available on your computer, you can import it."

[sheepdean]

Peculiar, I tried it on a computer without and it still has it. No doubt this is some stupid label bullshit though, if Trent was going to cut tracks from deluxes, I don't think PHM would've had anything on it if he'd had his way :P

[jessamineny]

No doubt this is some stupid label bullshit though

I will say this: Starfuckers (TF) is the only song in the entire NIN catalog that is unplayable on Spotify USA.

[Alpha 60]

I think it is probably because of legal issues around the Carly Simon song writing reference.

[Incendiary Lover]

heres how i have my fragile playlist *snip*

Have you tried "Adrift & At Peace" after "La Mer"? I read an interview at some point where TR mentioned that the former was the conclusion to the latter and they compliment each other nicely.

[jessamineny]

I think it is probably because of legal issues around the Carly Simon song writing reference.

The refrain is still in one of the TFA remixes, however, and it's available for play. (Then again, maybe Carly's legal team is very gray and hasn't heard of remixes.)

[allegate]

Remember, David Carson has been paid to work on this project, and so has Alan Moulder, at least. So, if it doesn't actually happen, NIN have thrown a fair bit of cash away. It's bound to happen IMHO, just not until HTDA sales are past the middle of the bell curve.

There's a curve at this point of the band's life? I'd thought it would be pretty flat at this point.

[jmtd]

There's a curve at this point of the band's life? I'd thought it would be pretty flat at this point.

They won't release a HTDA album and then release TF deluxe at any point which might jeopardise the success of the first project: it will be some point afterwards where there's no risk of a casual fan choosing one over the other.

[Leman Russ]

My hope is that Interscope/Universal doesn't have too large a say in the packaging/costs of the release. I bought another copy of The Fragile last week (as my first was accidentally left in my car when it was scrapped) and it is of the cheapest quality I have ever seen. The packaging ripped twice while I was trying to get the left disc out, and again when I took the right out.

[sheepdean]

Interscope will probably do distribution and stuff for the standard reissue, but I doubt they'll do anything for the deluxe beyond take their cut of the profit.

[frankie teardrop]

heres how i have my fragile playlist, and i think it would make a epic 3/4 disc version. combines tracks from still, the singles from the era and unreleased tracks from tr's acct on remix.nin.com. anyways, its epic as hell and over 3 hrs long!

01 leaving hope
02 the new flesh (from tfa.com)
03 somewhat damaged
04 tdtwwa
05 the frail
06 the wretched
07 gone still
08 witt
09 the fragille
10 and all that could have been
11 just like you imagined
12 complications of the flesh
13 even deeper (tt love dub)
14 even deeper
15 pilgrimage
16 no, you dont
17 metal
18 untitled (from tfa.com)
19 la mer (version)
20 la mer
21 great below
22 the way out is thru
23 into the void
24 slipping away
25 great collapse
26 presistence of loss
27 where is everybody?
28 mark has been made
29 10 miles high
30 please
31 appendage
32 where is everybody? (version)
33 starfukers
34 complication
35 new flesh
36 no, you dont (version)
37 tdtwwa (quiet)
38 looking forward to joing u
39 big come down
40 underneath it all
41 adrift and at peace
42 ripe w/ decay

thats just my prefrence. IMO things falling apart would have been 900% better had it included the la mer, where is everybody and no you dont (versions), especially in place of some of the redundant, ho hum starfuckers mixes.

since you're going for completion, don't forget the keith hillebrandt version of 'the fragile' & the porter ricks 'the day the world went away'- which i actually quite like despite the general hatred around these parts. 'the wretched' remix was decent too, from what i remember.

[The Reason Being]

the porter ricks 'the day the world went away'- which i actually quite like despite the general hatred around these parts

You and me both! Love that mix, I don't understand the hate

[imail724]

The Porter Ricks remix is the only nin song, remixes or otherwise, i skip.