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Faceplams: We know he was working on it, not that it was completed to satisfaction. Perhaps it wasn't.Originally Posted by blassster
God is an American
We know he was working on it, not that it was completed to satisfaction. Perhaps it wasn't.
Throbbing Member
Don't give him any ideas. Trent knows he can put out a great instrumental album on vinyl without an art book and only ten people (myself included) will vocally lose their shit. Nothing can stop him now.
(I am one of the few nerds without a game system that would have surround sound built-in, so I don't know what the market is really like for surround systems. I did consider buying a surround system just to hear TDS, but ... I did not. How popular are surround mixes, especially in the smartphone era? I wish he didn't deliberate so much on these things when everything has been changing so rapidly, visibly, for about 20 years.)
she/her/hers
i've never heard of a game system with surround sound built-in...do you just mean a console that's also a blu-ray/dvd player capable of spitting out surround? because you still need a surround receiver and 5-7 speakers (plus a subwoofer) to have proper surround sound.
sorry if i'm being pedantic, i do a/v for a living.
Throbbing Member
Yes – sorry. My uncle has a receiver and the speakers, sitting unused in his basement, but he's pretty possessive, sooo ... yeah. Never asked. And I am usually pretty pedantic about these things too, I'm not sure why I've switched to being totally inarticulate
Active Member
Maybe they should bring in Steven Wilson, since he apparently loves the album and does a lot of 5.1 mixes? Maybe they need someone with a different perspective on it?
Throbbing Member
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...v/slug/c70tdaoThe 5.1 mixes are done and sound amazing. Alan was the only person who could have possibly done it, and he did not disappoint. There are a couple other elements involved that we want to get right before we put this into production. These involve packaging and additional content. Patience, my friends.
... but he changes his mind all the time.
God is an American
Yes, "the mixes are done [...but...]" indicates to me that they never mastered and put it to bed — perhaps getting side-tracked by putting the alternate stuff together that ended up in Deviations 1.
But it also could just have been shelved for undisclosed reasons.
Last edited by botley; 08-15-2017 at 08:34 PM.
Throbbing Member
I'd love a real full deluxe reissue but – Nine Inch Nails releases used to have a 3-5 year gap between them – when Trent was young, before the drugs and drinking were an issue, before he was married, before he had kids, before he was working on three soundtracks at a time, back when he was "just" touring and sometimes producing other people. He always said he'd probably retire NIN and just make soundtracks. I'm pleasantly surprised he's still doing both, and some of it is really great. The past didn't seem like a huge priority for a long time, and I was really happy to see the reissue campaign (I liked vinyl for the artwork and for breaking my computer addiction even as a 90s kid when it made me a very strange music nerd, so ... I am weird.)
He's still making a ton of new work — I'm personally disappointed by the fact that one of my two favorite NIN albums (and probably his best *cough*) never got a proper deluxe package by him, but it's understandable, I guess? Time goes by faster as you get older. At this late date, I'd love a full package with everything including multitracks (!), but I'm glad we have the instrumentals and a vinyl reissue that doesn't cost $300.
Last edited by Pbgut; 08-15-2017 at 08:45 PM.
Captain Rustleboots
There are a couple other elements involved that we want to get right before we put this into production. These involve packaging and additional content.
Throbbing Member
There's going to be a $300 Ghosts-type package before this is all over, with a copy of David Carson's Fotografiks, with room for the Deviations vinyl but no actual vinyl because that'd be false marketing. Blu-Ray DVD, multitracks. Lossless versions of all the NIN.com remixes. Bart at Kamp Krusty style dreams over here.
$6000 version gets you a DAT tape from the sessions, a chunk of the door from Nothing Studios, a Chris Vrenna remake of The Fragile, all of the "rock" songs with the "rock" elements removed by Keith Hildebrandt, and a significant fragment of the "lost" tapes for Antichrist Superstar just for lols. Random winners will receive a lock of Charlie Clouser's hair.
W e s u f f e r
b e c a u s e
o f t h i s s i c k n e s s
o f o u r s.
Last edited by Pbgut; 08-15-2017 at 09:47 PM.
Hairy Member
Fuck, you're hilarious Tony. Never change.
Captain Rustleboots
Tell that to my wife.
And my work.
And my friends.
And echoing the sound.
Hairy Member
You're still here, you're still married, your friends are still labeled as friends, so aside from your workplace, as far as I know we like you just the way you are.
God is an American
Spare a tear for the Littlest Edgelord
Active Member
Or we're all masochists
24.24.2.3171
So there I was, innocently listening to Deviations earlier today, and the instant I got to +Appendage I was irresistably drawn to turn it off and put on your vocal edit like three times in a row.
I shake my fist at you!
RA-MEN ROPPAI
In case you didn't know, Deviations 1 is back up for sale on the US store.
Quantity is listed as 352.
Member
Fragile is my favorite album ever.
Should I buy?
Captain Rustleboots
It really depends on what you're looking for in the final product. If you're only interested in listening to it on vinyl and are not interested in packaging at all then yes. If you want a nice display piece to look at while you're listening to the record while LOOKING AT THE ARTWORK (WITH YOUR FUCKING PHONE TURNED OFF) then this probably isn't the release for you.
TL;DR
Do you only care about the wax and packaging is a non issue for you? BUY IT
Do you care about quality packaging, art and an intriguing visual experience with your records? DON'T BUY IT.
It's 4 records in a pretty flimsy cardboard gatefold with no art booklet, no extra art and a download card for $80. If you feel its worth that price then order it.
Last edited by tony.parente; 08-23-2017 at 01:17 PM.
Stubby Member
I couldn't agree more. The music is great, and it is really nice to have on vinyl to listen to with the whole (admittedly silly) vinyl/ritual listening experience.
The packaging is a serious letdown for such a high price tag. No essay. Not even a booklet. Just four vinyl shoved in two slits on either side of a thin vinyl bifold. Like a huge letdown. SUCH A 'YUGE LETDOWN. SAD. #MakeDeviationsGreatAgain
Captain Rustleboots
I finally found a buyer for my copy so my anger has subsided a lot. I'm still disappointed because I had been fantasizing about some sort of deluxe edition of this record for over 15 years now and we ended up getting thrown this shit show but at least my skin in the game is gone and I can move on from this disaster.
Throbbing Member
I found this quote from Trent about the Deviations packaging.
Oh, wait. That was twelve years ago, and about With Teeth. Oddly enough, an earlier sentence in that same quote:"If you want to, you'll be able to buy a real deluxe book that the record fits into. It's a super nice thing that will have a big essay from me and a lot of pictures. It's more of a presentation and the artwork that you have now, that maybe you didn't quite understand, you'll see how it all fits into this. You'll get it."
I think a lot of collectors were expecting these "definitive editions" to make the original pressing prices drop significantly. I did. I don't think that's the case now. Seems some of the old releases from as long ago as '92, specifically the packaging, are holding up better than these brand new releases. There are some nice things about these new releases (180g, etched messages on Broken), but I think with how poorly the "attention to detail" was handled with these "definitive editions" they're hardly definitive. These releases will make the albums more readily available to people, but I think the original pressings and such are probably going to hold their value like first printings of books."It feels like we should just by-pass packaging all together."
Flaccid Member
I can't help but wonder if the "extra" ~$40 cost of the Deviations 4xLP package is for something still to come, like the sleeve we received is bare bones simply to serve as a placeholder and people who ordered it will later receive a more "Deluxe/$80-price-tag-worthy" cover/box/package that maybe houses Deviations1, The Fragile, etc. (TF Deviations 2?!?), so in essence giving us a super deluxe The Fragile package broken up into a few purchases. ?
Crazy dreaming, I know.
Captain Rustleboots
That's some sandbag levels of fucking with your fanbase that's for sure.
nindivinedebris
This is back up for sale in the NIN store.
Flaccid Member
Juste received my QOTSA Villains Deluxe Vinyl and I was thinking, this is exactly what Deviations 1 was supposed to be.
Great (and very big !) package, full of cool art prints. And only £27, not 80.
Active Member
These flac files are worth the price of admission alone. The vinyl is just the icing on the cake.
Captain Rustleboots
What sucks is there's really no way to make this zero effort package "right". What do you do, create a slipcase with a booklet for the gatefold to slide into? What about the folks who sold it? Would that effectively put this release into the red to have to pay for the extra components to be manufactured after the fact? That still doesn't fix the flimsy gatefold issue either. This is just going to be a small bruise in the discography in a year or so, in the long run it won't matter I suppose.
Stubby Member
maybe he could wait a few years and release a version of Deviations with vocals? include the pdf artwork with lyrics in a booklet, perhaps some of which would be demo/scratch/alternate takes not used on the album (like TDTWWA single version or the unused 10 miles high lyrics) and have whatever vocals were recorded for the outtakes? after all, why let us know some version of those songs exist with vocals with no intention of ever letting the world them?
I know I'd pay $$ for such a thing. but I still hold out hope for a deluxe fragile boxset, with everything from that era.
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an "The Fragile" like this would've kept me happy!
and a true limited edition too!
Master of Puppets’ limited edition deluxe box set
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Last edited by [parasite]; 08-29-2017 at 10:01 PM.
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