The Walking Dead is the valium horror version of Mad Men.
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The Walking Dead is the valium horror version of Mad Men.
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Major season finale spoiler (if you haven't read the comics).
More description - AMC accidentally leaked a potential character death by releasing special feature info for the Season 2 Blu-Ray set. Click at your own risk.
Last edited by ltrandazzo; 03-02-2012 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Because Daphne didn't give enough info on what could be spoiled.
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I felt terrible watching that episode. Poor Dale, that was unfair. Reminded me of the first time I read The Walking Dead #48, absolutely shocking.
It kinda sucks because I was hoping to see a lot of cool stuff from the comics that obviously will never happen now.
Anyway, here's the promo for the next episode, seems like the zombies found MORE food:
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about time, question is how?
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I swear to God, you guys better use spoiler tags because if anyone (DAPHNE) doesn't start locking that shit down, I'm gonna flip. I'm avoiding that article, especially since I've seen it pop up on several sites.
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Oh, come on, I said it was a spoiler in the link. Read at your own risk.
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I'll just say that I'm really excited to have an idea what's coming (even though fans of the comic saw it coming, I know I did), but I'm also hoping that the circumstances under which everything happens are a little different. I'm sure they'll handle the entire situation just fine, though, and find a way to make everything surprising. As bad as I want the finale to happen, and to see what else they have planned for it, I'm pretty bummed to see this season go. With it broken up into such short parts, it seems like it's just come and gone.
Not that the entire first half of the season didn't drag as slowly as the legless walker, it's just that six episodes went by way too fast.
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I dont even know what to post anymore since it is a huge spoiler for non comic followers.
anyone even up to date on the books? I feel like its mostly just the show watchers on here. I think we should have a separate Walking dead comic thread.
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I'm right up to uhhh...You know, forget it, I don't even know how to describe where I am without spoiling it. But Yeah, I agree that a seperate thread for discussing the comics would be a great idea. I mean....sure, people should use discretion whenever they talk about it, but when it comes to television/film adaptations of stories, it's impossible NOT to compare the differences and similarities between the two. If someone else makes a thread for the books, I'll participate. But I think I'll just stick to spoiler tags and anyone who reads them accidentally, well, bummer.
Spoiler: The last panel I remember seeing was the tank/Governor rolling up over the hill toward the prison. I've read a few spoilers about things that happen later on though.
Also - I realized that, in the promo I mentioned before, where Daryl says "something something Brother," he's saying "Sorry, brother." Dang.
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Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was not expecting that... Andrea's development in the show is going to be completely different now.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD
I thought it was going to be a tease. I didn't imagine it ripping open Dale's chest like that. Fuck.
I mean... I'm cool with posting comic spoilers in here, especially with what just happened tonight, but it's everyone's call. I'll make a comic thread and lead off with a bunch of spoilers.Originally Posted by Alrea
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Damned good episode!
Bummed about the suddenly-lowered X-Files quotient for the cast but excited about the bold new departure.
And I was kinda lookin' forward to them hookin' up, of course.
:-\
Not up to date at all, but in the past year I've gotten up to Volume Nine of the tpb collections. It's awesome knowing there's still so much ahead, though.
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Carl was a little shit tonight and I hope he learned his lesson.
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My brother and I were furious after tonight's episode. I don't know how exactly the writers are going to justify their decision, but as of now, I hate it. I'm so upset - this is my favorite show on TV, but after tonight, all of the AWESOME stuff from the comics that I was looking forward to seeing on screen isn't nearly as appealing as it was a few hours ago.
They spent the majority of the episode establishing Dale as the sole voice of reason and humanity - taking extra care to show how unique he is to the group, and then disposing of him. I get it - they wanted an impetus to unite the group, but this was the wrong way to do it. Fucking kill Daryl! He was the one who really said the group was broken. I like Norman Reedus, but I don't get the character's popularity. I can only take so much of the "I don' care 'bout no one!" loner-badass shtick.
Now that Dale's gone, where's the balance and tension between Shane's violent, renegade tendencies and Dale's tether to humanity/civility? I'll be very angry if they don't kill off Shane by next season. He should've been the one to go tonight.
edit: yes, and fuck Carl up his stupid ass.
Last edited by ltrandazzo; 03-11-2012 at 10:48 PM.
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Anyone else watching tonight's Talking Dead? Guest panelist Scott Ian thinks Randall is this show's Ben Linus. Hmmmm *strokes imaginary beard*
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well, he totally seems like it based on the trailer for next week. And the show's writers have professed a love for Lost.
I don't have any problem with Dale dying, but i DO have a problem with the continued hackneyed reliance on these Navy SEAL zombies. These things are loud, belligerent creatures. One snuck up on Lori two episodes back. Tonight, one sneaks up on Dale. Tonight's was even worse, b/c Dale sees this cow with all its guts laid out, as the zombie clearly was eating it. Why would it all of a sudden leave a ton of entrails and just wander around? it would still be devouring the cow at that point. Both aspects of the Dale attack are totally unbelievable and take me out of the scene. Dale would have heard one of those things walking, grunting and moaning waaaay before it came up on him. it's silly. Yes, we have suspended our disbelief to go along with the premise of the show...but beyodn that, keep it realistic, and not so HOLLYWOOOOOOD. I hate when the comic does it as well, but they rely on it much less than the show, and it can be masked better on paper too. find a better way for Dale to get attacked...don't rely on silly Hollywood cliches.
I DID like how it ripped Dale open though. A little different...glad they're not always just gonna try and bite someone, but use their hands to attack too.
I assume Andrea is going to become likeable at some point. It will be a shame if they don;t change her drastically. It's bad enough that almost every other character is unlikeable.
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Lawwwwwl.
Yeah, we've got a spoiler warning in the thread title now...but still.
And the issue with the spoilers relating to the question of what Jenner whispered to Rick at the end of Season One has nothing to do with whether or not he or the C.D.C. were in the comics. It's still jumping ahead to a conclusion and a payoff that hasn't been reached by the show yet, not to mention spoiling a plot point from the comics.
Sure, there are departures from the comics in the show, but that doesn't change the fact that by-and-large it's still pretty much on track with the overall plot of the comics and that it's worth guarding against spoilers for BOTH audiences if it's worth guarding against spoilers for ANYONE.
Just catching up with the thread and thought it was worth pointing that out.
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From Robert Kirkman -
On Dale's death -
On the effect of Dale's death on Carl -Losing that role is very important. This is the time more than ever when they really need someone to stand there and say, "Hey, this is not the popular decision, but I'm still voicing this because it needs to be said." They don't have that. Now, we don't know how they're going to deal with Randall and we don't know what they're going to do as Rick and Shane continue to butt heads. They've lost a very important piece of their ensemble, and so they're not going to be able to make the same decisions they would have made and that's really going to affect the group as a whole. They are kind of in a bad place and we're going to have to deal with that.
Translation - EXCITING STUFF. This show has been amazing and I can't wait for more.The fun of this world is dealing with Carl. It's one thing to have grown to adulthood in the world before and not have to deal with the indirect civilization and all the different things that are going on now, but to have never grown to adulthood and to not really have any kind of basis for realizing how screwed up things are — this is Carl's normal. So while he did — to a certain extent — cause Dale's death, how he deals with that is going to be very different than how someone would deal with that if they had not grown up in this world. We're going to see him grow and change over time and twist and turn into something that may not be recognizable as what we perceive a child to be, which is really kind of cool.
That was in response to a death that HAS NOT YET HAPPENED ON THE SHOW AND STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED THAT WAS LEAKED. Leaked material is a no-go, stuff that has aired is open season. Not that hard to understand.
I posted this thread at the top of the forum a few days before we launched - http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...-in-this-forum) This policy is universal for this forum. If it has aired, it is free to discuss. If it has not aired, but has leaked, SPOILER TAG it.
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Well, fair enough on that count then. I only saw an allusion to it on the top of this page and decided against clicking the page before to see what I'd missed.
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Anybody else a little tired of how self-righteous Andrea is? Every time she opens her mouth with one of her smug little rants, I wish Dale had let her kill herself. She leaves a suicidal girl alone, the girl fails to kill herself and she turns it around as though she was expecting things to turn out the way they did? Sod off, blondie.
Andrea aside, I'm enjoying the show since it came back. I know people have been complaining that it's all talk and no walk, but I feel lately as though they've got the balance of drama and action down perfect.
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I find that whenever any character opens their mouth everything they say is forced or cliched or maybe it's just bad writing. I don't mind when shows focus on developing their characters rather than having an action set-piece every week but when it's as bland and cliched as it has been on The Walking Dead I start to get rather irritated. They recently have been spicing it up with some zombie kills each week but it hasn't been anything exciting, except for the cracked head of that one zombie from the recent episode.
So even though Rick, Shane, Daryl, and Glenn were walking through the woods all day/night looking for the prisoner and didn't stumble upon a single zombie, we are supposed to accept that all of a sudden there's a horde of zombies just standing around waiting until the end of the episode to appear to give it a cliffhanger "oh shit" ending? This show is getting as bad as the recent Romero movies where a random zombie will just appear out of nowhere when the plot calls for it, even though it makes little sense in everything that has come before. I thought last weeks random silent walker that would rather surprise Dale than eat all them delicious cow guts was pretty awful writing but then we get this? Come on.
When the first season premiered I went ahead and got all the comics but haven't dived into them yet. Seeing how awful the show has gotten (some would say as early as the middle of the first season, and I wouldn't disagree) I'm wondering if I should even bother with the comics. Are they as bad as the show or are they worth the read? The reason I continue the watch the show even though each week I am bored by the horrible character development, unrealistic situations the characters get themselves into for the sake of drama/tension, etc. is that I believe the show has serious potential, which is proved in the first few episodes of the first season, and I'm waiting for it to get back to that level of quality. I am hoping the comics can hold me over until then and that is why I am asking for the opinions of people who have read them.
*As a side note, Hula, I quoted you several times but this isn't an attack on you and your opinions. You said some interesting things that helped me somewhat voice my concerns/issues with the show. I enjoy reading posts where people are excited about what happens and what might happen next and it makes me hopeful, but for now I am unable to look past all the shows flaws.
Last edited by EPICRAGE; 03-12-2012 at 01:34 PM.
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They went into the woods, which is most likely off to one direction. There's no reason why the zombies couldn't have come from any other direction.
Last edited by Mech; 03-12-2012 at 03:55 PM.
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if it werent for the comics, there would be no show. So yes the comics are miles ahead of the show.
But this show is still good, I cant believe its so hard for people to be entertained these days. I guess it is not for everyone.
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No worries! You laid out a lot of very valid points that are kind of hard to ignore unless you're willing to suspend disbelief and even then there's only so much suspension a person can do before it gets to be too much.
One thing that annoyed me about the finale was how easily they threw away the lives of two inconsequential characters. Their deaths felt extremely cheap and needless; the writers basically killed off two of the only two characters it could afford to lose in the name of drama and in the end both deaths held little weight, particularly with how sudden they were and how quickly the scene moved on from them—think of how the camera moved from the dude in the van (nope, don't remember his name because he wasn't an important character) being torn to pieces, to Rick hopping down from the roof and killing zombies without any difficulty. True, they had that little moment with Beth and Otis's wife (don't remember her name either), but even that felt more like cheaply-created tension over whether or not a character we sort of cared about would get killed. Meh.
That was my only gripe with the episode, really. I've been able to put aside any narrative issues in general because while the show does fall into a lot of the same tropes as a zombie movie, for the most part they've done a decent job of avoiding the pitfalls long enough to make it work as a long-running series. While the finale didn't so much end on a cliffhanger, it did make me curious enough about Michonne to want to look her up—and to read the comics in the long period we'll have to wait for the third season to air.
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To be honest, I wouldn't mind Andrea getting eaten alive if they ever decide to off her in the story. They made a great character in the books into one of the most annoying bitch.
I can see that happening since Daryl is a bad ass and they wouldn't need Andrea around anyways. A boy could dream.
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Yeah fuck Andrea. Her, Shane, and Walter White should all sit around and all congratulate each other on how awesome they think their own selves are.
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All I can say is... Holy shit. Even though I'd heard who died, I was still pretty shocked when it happened. Talk about gore.
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Wow, how do you top that ending?
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I loved this episode so much. The shots of the field at the end looked beautiful and conveyed the events happening so well. I wasn't a fan of the previous one so much. Dale was one of my favorites. This one restored any faith I may have had lost though. Dayyuuum.
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