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I don't know why i found this so funny, given Trent and his craft... reading that the way it ends...it's as if he musically engineered them lolololOriginally Posted by WingWalker
Real talk with this post though, this whole scam has gone on long enough.
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It's the end of the week and instead of a release, a bullshit excuse to push it back one more week. Oh, but they'll take pre-orders again "sometime in the next month or two." I don't know why I'm even posting. You know my feelings on this. Anyway, like I told Sasan, if he opens up orders again, I feel like I won't be able to keep my trap shut.
Is it dickish of me to post a warning on the Hotline about that, if it comes to pass?
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It wouldn't hurt to put a small warning stating that they have been saying "It's nearly done" for too long and have taken loads of peoples money with no sign of a finished product coming any time soon. Then link to this thread or something
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No, i think its fair to warn the community from your platform that those who have placed orders have yet to see their physical copy of this project and there's nothing concrete about when they will see what they paid for. Order with caution.
There was a situation back in 2006 or 2007 with some dude making posters and tshirts - wolf something - didn't the hotline warn folks then?
Speaking of dickish....
yes, people who fork over their own money are INVESTED in getting the product they PAID for in a timely manner.we dont' want to say for sure since people get very invested in actual timelines.
grrrrr
Bite me
Reznor and co should be sending a cease and desist warning to these assholes. This is crossing copyright barriers, clearly intended to be for profit and is also negatively impacting branding.
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Levi, do it man. I could type up a college essay on why you should, but I don't think I need to. You want to do it, and nobody can think of a single reason you shouldn't. You warned people about previous "NIN fan-made, pay now and never get anything" scams, and waited a full year of positive business before you ever mentioned the actually cleared by Trent shirts Darjis and I produced. I didn't even pre-order this and I'm pissed at what he's doing to the community.
If he opens pre-orders again, before a single person gets their disc in hand and watches it, you should post up a warning on the Hotline. Even if it's just "just a warning, guys, he took pre-order money X months ago and nobody has received anything but excuses, so be cautious before purchasing just yet."
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I'm not sure that the entire community of people interested in buying the thing are a part of the Hotline community, though. I mean, I have a feeling that they're only opening the purchasing window again because they have more people on the Facebook that have just heard of the project recently, and have no idea of their shenanigans, and are overly excited to put their money into "an awesome fan-made project omg."
Basically, I think posting a warning on the Hotline might not be enough. They need to have a warning on their Facebook page, which seems to be one of their main hubs for reaching people now. I just don't think that they'd go for keeping that on their page for long. But hell, I'd be willing to help keep it posted on their wall daily. We could come up with some kind of warning to new fans, give it to a few members here or on the Hotline, and then one of us can post it on their page. If it gets deleted, someone else will post it, and so on. That way it'll stay on their front page, without being spammed all over, and they might have a harder time blocking people to keep us from posting it again.
That, or get the list of people that like them and send a message to every one of them, hah. As direct as that is, I feel it might be crossing the line in terms of spam. But if it's going to keep people from dumping their money into this bottomless pit, then it might not be such a terrible idea.
Edit: This is all assuming that they can't follow up with a finished product soon, and I mean soon. The physical product is already out the window as far as I'm concerned.
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these people disgust me.
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He's got no ability to deliver and that makes him a flimflam man. A lot if
facebook posters are still believing him, even encouraging him. You should post. He could keep his strategy going forever.
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I'm starting to wonder if "the team" thoroughly hid this project from anyone surrounding them: families, friends, colleagues, etc. just to avoid being frowned upon by real people they know.
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At this point I'd almost say it would be your duty.
If it was only going to be a week/month, why not shut up until it's out? After not bothering to communicate with your customers/bosses for this long? The main thing I'm surprised about is that people on Facebook are still excited about this.
And regarding seeders, why not do what everyone else does and round up a few community members to leave their computers running overnight? Oh wait, everyone hates you. Why not ask the team to do the same? There are enough of them.
Also the drop frame/sync issue thing - IIRC this is something you find out before the authoring process - i.e. before the final files are even created. And it's usually a matter of just re-exporting (re-saving) the file after changing one setting. Which takes like, 3 hours. And from what I remember these guys telling me, everyone lives within driving distance of each other so you don't have the problem of time zones and shipping hard drives.
I got my period today; stay tuned for more.
Last edited by icklekitty; 09-17-2012 at 05:45 AM.
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Well, looks like they've deleted most of the comments on their page from the last 24 hours, including a couple if mine, and from people from ETS. I said something about it, but I don't imagine it will stay up for long.
They're officially putting more effort into hiding the negativity toward their project than they are toward the project itself.
Josh Wink was on HLAH
Apparently it will be two months before the people who paid for it are going to get it. Because there's "things to be completed" https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...al_comments=21
Saul Williams fan.
This seeder excuse is beyond stupid. We at TOIOU used an FTP server to seed the stuff before it was announced to the public. Are you telling me that this team full of audio-video editors and web developers is unable to use FTP and practically begging the customers to seed it? What a load.
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theyve deleted all my comments and blocked me from commenting more. I clicked the "report this page as a scam" button.
i suggest everybody else do the same. hah that would be funny
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If they were to shut them down, I think the NIN camp should follow that up by (whoopsie) letting their concert film of the Wiltern show make its way onto teh interwebs. Rob is probably pretty preoccupied with that wedding and, you know, mistakes happen...
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Something tells me that Trent & co. aren't too keen on releasing the final concert in its entirety. I think they'd rather select the top performances from that last run of gigs. Not to be a dick here, but there were very clear fuckups at the Wiltern, that weren't necessarily present at the previous gigs. It's like the focus was on the special guests, rather than on playing the best version of each song.
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The funny thing is, when this thing was announced, I couldn't fathom streaming 1080p video to my tv and really wanted a bluray. It's been so long that my tastes in media have changed and now I'd just love a giant mp4 file that I can play on my PS3.
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Yeah the problem with a warning on the FB page is that it WILL get deleted.
This page https://www.facebook.com/stinkfist9 has been posting about this debacle for a while, even negative comments posted on the ATLD page are still there.
I'm not sure why the nin camp have been so quiet on this issue...one tiny buyer beware tweet from Trent would sink any future ordering plans ATLD have.
Last edited by Nora Can Cans; 09-17-2012 at 05:24 PM.
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Let's see how long my comment lasts there - this is on par with FACTION as someone mentioned, and after that fiasco, I was hoping nothing like that would occur again
Saul Williams fan.
Two months? TWO MONTHS? They need TWO MONTHS to "complete a few things for the DVD and Blu-ray and ship them"? What the hell are they going to fit in there, anyway?
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Behind-the-scenes documentary about the not-making of this DVD.
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Here's what I think happened: after initial, enthusiastic work on the project it was put aside and forgotten. Then an "Oh man! Forgot all about this! We've gotta get this thing done!" realization and a flurry of activity. How else to explain the silence, the re-posting of the same old clips instead of new material, lofty comments such as " we don't want to say for sure", "people get very invested in actual time lines", "without committing ourselves to anything, I think sometime in the next month to two months?"
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Doubt they even accomplished that much. They just can't deliver, so they're forced to keep using the same holding messages and stalling tricks. It's either that or admit they don't have anything. Which they can't do, because they've kept using stalling tricks and holding messages. Vicious cycle- the more they delay, the more they're expected to deliver. So the more they have to delay. Had they not taken money, they could at least bail with their tails between their legs. But they did so they can't so they're fucked.
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Well, I put myself up to be a seeder 11 hours ago - and asked them to change my order from a DVD to a BluRay. Have heard nothing back on either matter.
Throbbing Member
LOL at all the How To Destroy Angels stuff being unveiled before this came out.
And September 23rd is TOMORROW.
EDIT: I posted "TICK TOCK" on their FB, and they just blocked me!!! I can't comment, like or anything! hahahaahhaha
Last edited by FernandoDante; 09-22-2012 at 08:16 PM.
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I offered to seed on an insanely fast internet connection (the kind you don't turn down when seeding something like this). I was also one of the very first to contact them. I've heard NOTHING from them.
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It seems another friend of mine just got blocked from their FB. They're online now. I'd suggest more snark, if they're so relentless about their censorship.
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They've deleted a bunch of posts as well (as opposed to comments) including one lengthy message from someone on here (when we were discussing the fact that some people may be unaware of the full story) summarising the history of the project and warning against new people pre-ordering.
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I think that might've been me. In which case: Called it. :P Seriously. I'll make up fake e-mail addresses to spam these guys more if I have to. They have it (and more) coming.
Edit: Yup. Mine's gone. as well as literally EVERY comment I can remember seeing on there from the last week or two. Left another one, but again, we know how long it'll stay up. :P
Last edited by ImTheWiseJanitor; 09-24-2012 at 09:34 AM.
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