Both shows he's played so far have been part of Soundwave, a festival.Originally Posted by theruiner
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Both shows he's played so far have been part of Soundwave, a festival.
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^^Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
Starfuckers, Wink.
Same setlist was for two shows. One full-blown (indoor venue, sponsored by the festival organizers, 10.30pm start though with 3 opening acts), one at the actual festival (outdoor venue, 5.30pm-ish start).
FATUM NOS IUNGET
No yeah I can get behind it, it's definitely an improvement...would I go out of my way to see it? Probably still not since I saw shows as far back as 1995 and there's just not as much energy which I'd want to see. I will say though, he sounds pretty good vocally, and should just bust his ass, get back in shape, and make another heavy as fuck album just to throw up a middle finger to the world. Maybe they should just stick to playing more ACSS/MA/POAAF stuff for good now and just dip in 1 or 2 newer songs max. I'd much rather want to watch that than 'If I Was Your Vampire'.
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Making another heavy album, and giving the middle finger to the world is exactly what he shouldn't do. Hasn't he been trying to do just that for the last decade plus with very poor results? It's probably too late anyway, but he should run away from goth, heavy metal, drugs and drink with both feet. Manson really could have been the next Bowie if he would have just grown out of the ridiculous 15 year old angst shit. No matter what he does, he'll never be as angry as he was when he made Antichrist Superstar. If the fire's not there, it's a dead pursuit.
FATUM NOS IUNGET
My sentiment was along the lines of 'maybe that's all he's good for at this point'...
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Right, but I'm saying he's not good for that anymore (the heavy metal, middle finger stuff). Maybe all he's good for at this point, at his best, is nostalgia for the 90s.
tempus est umbra in mente
well, to be fair, that song is the show opener... it's kind of hard to judge how well he'd hold up for an entire concert based on that. Still, yeah, he sounds better than he did at that last show I went to. That was just embarrassing.
The Virus Inside
Maybe he just doesn't give any energy to the new songs as he knows they suck. He does seem to preform his older material better.
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After watching the 2 videos posted here and a few more on youtube I can say that it seems he is doing better than the 2009 tour. But they still have a lot of shows to play, anything could happen. He could blow us away or take a turn for the worse. I for one am hoping for the best.
Regarding the keyboards for the tour. Could they be using just backing tapes? I dont see anyone in the back of the stage besides the drummer. Plus a lot of bands do that, including NIN.
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There is no keyboardist any more.
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yeah 55min set for an $80+ show is pretty poor. i get that it was probably a sort of rehearsal for the festival run, but what's the motivation to pay to see a sideshow when the setlist is no different from the festival?
to put that in perspective; $80 Australian = $85 US dollars, how often y'all Americans pay that for a show?
the festival ticket was $175 btw
Last edited by antiskum; 02-25-2012 at 10:33 PM.
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The only way I could see that being justified is if the other bands were all headliners. Four headliners doing a mini-festival, that I could see for $80. But he's the only headliner? And he did less than an hour? That's insane. That's not even a rip-off; that's a complete and utter 'fuck you' to his fans.
Someone should let Manson know that, last I checked, Metallica's tickets were going for about the same price. But they're Metallica and they're playing for two hours. He realizes it's not 1997 still, right?
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yeah it was a headline show for manson. the openers were other bands on the festival - coal chamber and wednesday 13 (not particularly exciting). They would've only played for 30-45min max.
but yeahh, we get pretty badly ripped off down here. from memory, metallica last tour were about $140. but yeah, they played for 2+hours and came with lamb of god and baroness.
Banned
A 1080p video of The Beautiful people:
Keeping in mind this is the beginning of the tour, it`s not bad at all.
FATUM NOS IUNGET
Really? Really? Thought it was terrible. Tired, uninterested. Crawling around out of breath. Fuckssakes. I won't lie that the morons chanting Slipknot should be drawn and quartered on the grounds of sheer stupidity but honestly...fuckssakes.
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whilst I'm still looking forwards to seeing Manson again if he ever decides to announce the UK tour dates...I gotta say that I agree, this video certainly puts the "performance" under a very bad light
it's almost like he just can't be bothered/doesn't want to be there...still excitted for the album though.
maybe we're all expecting a bit much out of a middle aged drug-addict? especially with all the hype about the new album going back to anti-christ days...i still have very fond memories of seeing him back in the day, when the shows were very theatrical, very energetic...it would be quite mad to assume that we'll ever see shows like that again?
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I was at the first gig of his 2009 tour at a festival and man, let me say this was the worst show i've witnessed in my live. He was co-head before korn and they not only outperformed him, it was like a hurricane next to a hair dryer. Compared to that, the video i've posted is a remarkable performance. He always is really bad in the beginning, but gets his shit together later on. Even in 2009, when he came back a couple of months later for his own show it was a huge improvement and he looked energetic and in the mood again. For reference check some videos from the show in Munich 2009.
That said both shows cannot come close to the one from 2007, it was a great performance, with the podium, burned bibles and so on.
House Always Wins
Even his worst shows of the Rape of the World Tour topped the best shows of the THEOL tour as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm willing to bet this person didn't see the 2008 shows, which were the best he's done since 2001.
Starfuckers, Wink.
Third show, same setlist.
Booed off stage at Soundwave Festival Sydney after a strange performance
Marilyn Manson was booed off stage at Soundwave today. Slipknot fans making no secret of their feelings towards the shock rocker. Manson, who openly discussed his inebriated state to the crowd poured a vile of white powder over his bass players head, argued with his stage assistants between songs, who had to shout him back on stage, and was booed and heckled towards the end of his set.
The crowd chanted ‘Slipknot’ over and over again to throw the clearly disheveled Manson off his game. Manson responded by storming off stage leaving a very confused drummer, and for that fact, a very confused crowd. Dead silence fell over the main stage area, the absence of any background music showed that organisers were caught off guard by the sudden exit. The band returned for one last song but quickly left afterwards and were not seen again, this happening a full ten minutes before the set was supposed to end.
Early construction of the Slipknot set and sound checking of their gear could be blamed for the uproar of Slipknot chants, though only one person can be blamed for the chants of ‘Get off the stage!’ – Manson himself who not only showed little respect for the crowd, yelling over his backing tracks “who let DJ Lethal on our stage?" He was clearly lacking energy and ranting in spoken word poetry which finished with a ‘Remember, we’re up-over you, down under”
This must have been a sad day for Manson fans who saw their idol desperately clutching at whatever threads of his career remain intact.
http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/manson...ndwave-sydney/
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Yes, that article sounds totally unbiased and trustworthy...
Hairy Member
I was there and it was the biggest piece of shit show I have EVER seen in my life. Seriously. Everyone in the crowd was bewildered, confused and dumbfounded. Upstaged and outclassed by Limp Bizkit (on before... And that is saying something. Durst=massive jerk) and utterly annihilated by Slipknot (on after)... Actually he was upstaged and outclassed by everyone. From Lostprophets to Bush to The Used.
Give up on him now. Don't waste your time any longer. He does not deserve your money in any way, shape or form. Been a fan since '97 and I cannot give him any more chances.
Sleep time now. Just got home and I'm tired.
EDIT: wow. I totally sound like a little bitch haha. But seriously. He was that bad.
Last edited by New Killer Star; 02-26-2012 at 07:10 AM.
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there's a bit of discussion about it here http://forum.soundwavefestival.com/node/124903?page=1
tbh asshole fans shouting at the end of other bands sets at festivals isn't a new thing
House Always Wins
Bad performance is bad.
Retards chanting Slipknot didn't help either.
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Fans booing a bad Manson performance in favor of wanting Slipknot is kind of funny. So was he drunk or were the other bands soundchecking? If he was drunk it's inderstandable to give Manson tons of shit, but if a band starts setting up early, I'd be pissed. I've been to tons of festivals where bands atart soundchecking and setting up early and it fucks up the performance of the band who's actually playing. Saw the Flaming Lips setup one time while Norah Jones was still playing and she looked frazzled by the amount of lasers and heavy bass and drums. Then again and a heavy festival like this, it's going to be noisy as fuck and ruin anything.
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yeah, unforch it's pretty commonplace with festivals. manson was on the main stage at soundwave - which is actually two stages side by side. one plays while the other sets up, so there's no gaps in the timetable. which is great logistically, but it means there's inevitably going to be some noise bleeding through from the next bands soundcheck. also, all people waiting on the other side of the stage are there getting their spots and waiting for the next band on and don't give a shit about who's playing at the time - eg apparently manson fans heckled the shit out of limp bizkit who were playing beforehand.
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Gah, I hate this shit. Fun Fun fun does this with the side by side stage, so people always leave 10 minutes early to go to the next stage and kill the vibe of the end of the set. Manson fans hating on LB, Slipknot fans hating on Manson, it's the blind leading the blind.
Aggro, I am jealous you've been to Download though, I'm not huge into the scene, but I'd love to go one of these days.
Festivals aren't the best places to see a group like Manson, maybe he'll give more a shit on his actual shows. Unless your favorite band is the headliner, I usually don't expect much.
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He was also totally upstaged by LB at Download 09, and put on a truly terrible show, shambolic and devoid of any respect for the crowd.
I think if the band employed a fucking guitarist that could change things around. When I saw them in 09 Twiggy was out of his league on guitar out there. It was obvious the band was lacking something key.
