Sigil 04_: Welcome oblivion

[Leviathant]

Actually, I would put this very much in the same category as The Fragile on vinyl, or With Teeth on vinyl. Both albums had plenty of space on the CD versions for those songs. At the time The Fragile was announced, I recall Trent saying something about how the vinyl has extended versions and extra songs because it's special. It also has huge-ass artwork. And if you don't want to buy the vinyl version to have those two extra songs, I'll be happy to hear you whine after you've spent a decade chasing down the CD quality version of Butch Vig's remix of Last, or 45 minutes of unreleased Coil remixes. It's being put out on a CD. It will be on YouTube within minutes of the first fan getting their hands on it. You will hear the exclusive songs.

I would also argue this is not the same kind of ripoff Trent complained about with Interscope. You've seen the tracklist of the WITT singles, right? That was bullshit, and I'm very fortunate that I had friends who got me those CDs as a gift, because I sure as hell would have a hard time justifying the price of them (although knowing what they later sold for, I might regret not having bought more copies).

When it comes to Trent Reznor format-exclusive tracks, you don't even know what want is. Do you know how many years I went knowing that there were vinyl-only remixes of Happiness in Slavery and The Perfect Drug, but never hearing them? And the first rips that eventually made their way onto the internet were horribly compressed, played off terrible turntables. Rumors of a Japan-only remix of Reptile that never actually existed. "The Lost Fragile Tracks" photo, posted to nin.com, but never really followed up on. Nowadays, remixes leak that don't even make the official releases (Bill Laswell, where did all those remixes come from?) and with a label being involved, you're pretty much guaranteed to hear the album before your official copy shows up.

Get the vinyl, or get the standard release, and then get over it (and get off my lawn)! <3

[Max Leo]

Ok, I'll stop whining after just one simple question: if those songs were weaker and included on the vinyl version for just some unknown reason regarding the technical differences between formats... why are they including a cd with the vinyl version of the album with the vinyls? Couldn't they just do the same with all the cds?

I don't know, I'll wait till the album is out to see if my bitching is justified. XD But I'm still upset for not having the 2 tracks from An_Omen in a physical format because I like them, specially Speaking In Tongues, so if the 2 extra tracks in the vinyl version suck, the "better" (not really), but if they are great and improve the whole album, I'll be irremediably mad. XD

About the price thing: you can buy tons of european cds in many stores like play.com or amazon uk for a very reasonable price, maybe japanese editions are a different story, but those editions usually include just some extra remixes or songs from the singles b-sides and stuff like that, which is not the same thing for me. However, if an album like Year Zero included extra tracks on its japanese edition that were not available anywhere else, then I would be pissed too, but at least I could buy the damn thing even if I wouldn't understand the reason behind releasing an album with different tracklists. But in this case, I'm not going to buy the vinyls because I'll never play them, and everytime I listen to the cd I'll be missing 2 tracks if they are any good, if they suck I'll just better think that the cd version is the ultimate/best version and I'll not mind that much. XD

But in my opinion every album should always have the same tracklist no matter the format. Then you can include some extra stuff AFTER all the songs or in an extra cd in a deluxe edition, I don't mind that too much, what I hate is when this is done with the proper tracklist of the album, is this a 13 tracks album with a couple of extras or is this a 15 tracks album with an inferior edition? When I mentioned TDS, I know that album has 14 tracks, period (and I know that there is a version with Dead Souls instead of Big Man, but that's not TDS for me), I know PHM has 10 tracks and the reedition included GDML's cover (which I love), but PHM is still a 10 tracks album no matter how many extras you want to include in different reeditions (btw, I HATED the lack of the Midnight Express sample in Sanctified, maybe I have some kind of mental problem XDDD).

[BRoswell]

I don't know, I'll wait till the album is out to see if my bitching is justified.

Hmm, there's an idea.