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    With Teeth - The Company

    According to their new GQ interview (which was taken down for some reason, but includes some really cool new photos of them), their next film scores will be for Luca Guadagnino's Queer and Scott Derrickson's The Gorge. They're also apparently starting a yet-to-be-named company built around "storytelling in multiple disciplines: film production, fashion, a music festival (in which they'd perform as composers), and a venture with Epic Games."

    The starfuckers.inc page on Instagram has captured most of it.
    Reddit also has a thread with the photos.

    And perhaps the most exciting part is that they sound like they're excited and ready to work on NIN again.
    "I do feel excited about starting on the next record," Ross said. "I think we're in a place now where we kind of have an idea."
    EDIT – I've copied the text in case it disappears from Instagram:
    Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross have a plan to soundtrack everything
    Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross - best friends and Nine Inch Nails bandmates - found unlikely creative fulfilment (and a couple of Oscars) by reassessing what they had to offer as musicians. Now they're thinking even bigger, and imagining an artistic empire of their own making.

    By Zach Baron
    Photography by Danielle Levitt
    3 April 2024

    This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a yet-to-be-named company, built around storytelling in multiple disciplines: film production, fashion, a music festival, and a venture with Epic Games ... One day this winter, Reznor greeted me at the door of their studio - in the course of reporting this story, I never saw him anywhere else - wearing a black hoodie made by the synthesizer company Moog, black jeans, and black running shoes. He led me back, past walls of unused gear and several black-clad mannequins, all of which startled me, to their primary workspace, where Ross - a tall west Londoner (he grew up in Ladbroke Grove) with a stern face and a pleasantly reedy voice - sat at a computer, also all in black (Once, I asked the two men whether their upcoming clothing line would feature any colour. ‘No,’ Reznor said, incredulously. ‘Of course not.’) ... They were on deadline for two films at the moment, including Luca Guadagnino’s forthcoming ‘Queer.’ The other film project Reznor and Ross were on deadline for was Scott Derrickson’s ‘The Gorge,’ a science-fiction thriller starring Miles Teller and Anya Taylor-Joy.

    ...

    Now it was Monday. “I thought about that over the weekend,” Reznor said. “It’s like, Why are we doing this? The idea comes from what we think is a good place of ‘Let’s break it up. Let’s get sent down the rabbit hole on certain things and feel like we’ve got tasks being assigned to us rather than us just blindly seeing what happens creatively.’” But, he said, “I think coming out of a stretch of a number of films in a row, I want some time of seeing where the wind blows versus: there’s a looming date on a calendar coming up and we’d better get our shit together. And certainly in the last few weeks I’ve been itching to do what we often do, which is just come in and let’s start something that we’re not even sure what it’s for.” Some of that energy, he and Ross said, would probably become the next Nine Inch Nails album. Doing soundtrack work, Reznor said, had “managed to make Nine Inch Nails feel way more exciting than it had been in the past few years. I’d kind of let it atrophy a bit in my mind for a variety of reasons.” But now, “I do feel excited about starting on the next record,” Ross said. “I think we’re in a place now where we kind of have an idea.” And then there was the company, which Reznor and Ross spent the last two years putting together, piece by piece, with the help of John Crawford, their longtime art director, and the producer Jonathan Pavesi. The idea was, what could they do that they hadn’t already done around storytelling? Some of that might take the form of examining Nine Inch Nails from yet another angle - “we’ve been working on homegrown IP around Nine Inch Nails, stories we could tell, and we’re working on developing those in a way that are not what you think they’d be.” (As in: not a biopic.) They also have a show in development with Christopher Storer, the creator of The Bear, they said, and a film with the veteran horror director Mike Flanagan. Reznor put on a pair of black-rimmed glasses so that he could examine a piece of paper next to him. “We just wrote some notes because I knew I’d forget what the fuck I’m about to say.” There was a short film coming with the artist Susanne Deeken. There was a clothing venture, a T-shirt line made in collaboration with a notable designer whose name they’d like to keep secret for now, which will arrive this summer. There was a music festival that they were currently planning, “where we’re going to debut as performing as composers along with a roster of other interesting people,” and a record label, both scheduled to launch around the same time. And for two years they’ve been working with Epic Games on something that is not exactly a video game, in the UEFN ecosystem Epic has built around Fortnite - “It’s what Zuckerberg was trying to bullshit us into calling the metaverse,” Reznor said. “You can’t say that word any more, but in terms of the tool kit, thinking about it through the lens of what could be possible for artists and experiences, we thought that would be an interesting way to tell a story through that.” They were nervously contemplating the prospect of having day jobs again, of being responsible for more than just themselves. Early on, as they contemplated launching the company, they’d sat down with David Fincher to ask him about movie production: how does it work? “And he’s like, oh, you’re fucked,” Reznor said. “I can distill a two-hour conversation into that. Because, he said, ‘I know you guys, and no one’s going to care more than you do, and you will not be able to let it go.”’ Anyway, Reznor said, turning to Ross, “That was a longwinded way of saying, when we talked about this company, I just said, ‘Be aware of what success might look like because it will turn into something that eats up lots of cycles and time and attention and energy.”’ But, Ross said, taking on new responsibilities was, paradoxically, also a way to stay a little younger. “I know we’ve all been talking about being dads and being adults and all that,” Ross said, “and there is a part of me that thinks: it’s important to keep the kid alive.” Meaning the child inside yourself, rather than the one you’re responsible for. He told a story about him and Reznor visiting the director David Lynch at his house to work with him on the 2017 revival of Twin Peaks. “And I don’t know how old he was at the time,” Ross said, “but he was older. But just walking in there, and he had the room set up and there’s a screen there, there’s some chairs here and there’s some musical instruments there and he’s smoking a cigarette. There’s nothing old about that dude. You know what I mean?” Lynch showed them some Lynchian footage. It was incredible, even if they didn’t quite know what they were looking at. Lynch was probably 70 or 71 at the time. “But it’s that thing of it doesn’t matter how old he is,” Ross said. “He is alive. It’s that bit of it all that one doesn’t want to lose with age.” The point was, Reznor said: “Let’s try some stuff. We’re bored. We are. You know what I mean? We’re grateful. We enjoy doing films. We can write a better Nine Inch Nails record, I think. We can put on a cooler tour. We are aimed to do that. But man, what if we try to do that?” Meaning, the company. “What if we could take what we’re good at, like we did with film? We identified something I think we’re good at and we figured out how to apply it to something else. What if we take that theory and try it on some other things? And that’s led us into: we’re not beaten down completely yet. And it feels exciting. That’s what matters to us right now.”


    — words by Zach Baron for @gq.
    Baron for @gq. Photos by Danielle Levitt. (@daniellelevitt)
    Link in bio to read the fully story.


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    Saw the thread on reddit and the photos and wow those are choices. lol

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    Wow thanks for sharing. Cool to hear about all of these possible projects. Side-note: I see Trent has entered into his "Night at Roxbury" black shirt/gold chain/dark suit phase!
    https://tenor.com/bAcha.gif

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    Really like the fashion choices. Very creative. Excellent vibes.

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    Hopefully the actual article is up soon, but in the meantime, this tumblr has the full text of it. I'd imagine that it probably just went up too early.

    (Please remove that link if we shouldn't be spreading it around since the article was pulled, btw...)

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    I fucking love these photos of Trent and Ross. Let alone the news of potential new material, I'm gushing over these promo shots ... give me a weirdo, gothy, house music inspired NIN album pls.

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    It's up in full: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/articl...interview-2024

    I also saw a copy of US GQ on eBay with Trent and Atticus on the cover, so it seems it's not just British GQ and this should be widely available for $7.99 on newstands here in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    They're also apparently starting a yet-to-be-named company built around "storytelling in multiple disciplines: film production, fashion, a music festival (in which they'd perform as composers), and a venture with Epic Games."
    Well, now we know what all those trademark applications were about.

    Fashion: Memory Fade
    Music Festival: Tremolo Music and Arts Festival
    Venture with Epic Games: RE/SKIN (registered for downloadable virtual goods?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trollmanen View Post
    It looks like GQ US has a newer version of the article:
    https://www.gq.com/story/trent-rezno...awards-profile

    I did a text diff on the two articles, and most of the changes were just grammar and spelling differences between British and American English and a little bit of copy-editing. But there were two substantive differences on naming the companies:

    This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a yet-to-be-named company
    This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a company called With Teeth

    There was a clothing venture, a T-shirt line made in collaboration with a notable designer whose name they’d like to keep secret for now, which will arrive this summer
    There was a clothing venture, a line called Memory Fade (one of the contributing artists is Fergus Purcell, known for his work with Palace and Aries), which will arrive this summer.

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    Wasn't there a post a couple days ago asking about a With Teeth trademark filing or something?

    edit: ah, found it!
    Quote Originally Posted by explodey View Post
    I wonder what the With Teeth trademark application is for - some kind of digital entertainment service? It seems like something is being planned.
    Last edited by allegate; 04-04-2024 at 11:24 AM.

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    Finally some news, and lots of it!! Highlights - a festival with them doing their score work, a new NIN album, plus 3 more scores....

    https://www.stereogum.com/2258106/ni...line-etc/news/
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    https://apple.news/AG4jQ6IqpSVavmJX0YooOYg



    Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross Have a Plan to Soundtrack Everything
    Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross—best friends and Nine Inch Nails bandmates—found unlikely creative fulfillment (and a couple of Oscars) by reassessing what they had to offer as musicians. Now they’re thinking even bigger, and imagining an artistic empire of their own making.
    Every weekday, Trent Reznor makes his way from his house, a cottagey sprawl behind a white wall in a canyon on Los Angeles’s Westside, to a studio he’s built in his backyard. There he meets his best friend, bandmate, and business partner, Atticus Ross, and they get to work. Reznor and Ross observe the same hours, Monday through Friday, 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. “We show up,” Reznor told me. “We’re not late. We’re not coming in to start to fuck around.” It’s a methodical, orderly existence that Reznor could not have foreseen in the ’90s, when he was fronting Nine Inch Nails and struggling with a drug-and-alcohol problem that was his answer to success. “I would do anything to avoid writing a song,” Reznor said. “I’d rewire the studio 50 times.”


    Now Reznor has a wife, Mariqueen Maandig, five kids, and multiple jobs. He is sober. Since 2010, when the director David Fincher asked Reznor and Ross to score The Social Network, for which Reznor and Ross won an Oscar, the two men have had steady employment composing for film. This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a company called With Teeth, built around storytelling in multiple disciplines: film production, fashion, a music festival, and a venture with Epic Games.
    And then, of course, there is the oldest and perhaps still the most complicated of Reznor’s jobs: being the frontman of Nine Inch Nails. In 1988 Reznor formed what was then a one-man band; the first two full-length records Nine Inch Nails released, Pretty Hate Machine (1989) and The Downward Spiral (1994), have sold more than 8 million copies. (Over subsequent years and subsequent albums, the band has since crossed the 20 million mark in sales.) In the ’90s, for a time, Nine Inch Nails was ubiquitous: a phenomenon on the level of Nirvana or Dr. Dre. During that decade, the success of the band nearly killed Reznor. “I didn’t feel prepared to process how disorienting that was,” he said. “How much it can distort your personality.”
    These days, Nine Inch Nails, which Ross joined as a full-time member in 2016, presents a different problem—how do you make something old, something so already well-defined, new again? There are years when Reznor feels like he has the answers and years when he’s less certain. He has put the band on hiatus more than once; after the last Nine Inch Nails tour, in 2022, Reznor deliberately took a break from playing shows as well. “For the first time in a long time I wasn’t sure: What’s the tour going to say?” Reznor told me. “What do I have to say right now? We can still play those songs real good. Maybe we can come up with a new production. But it wasn’t screaming at me: This is what to do right now.”
    But he and Ross still come to work, daily, in search of transcendence. “We sit in here every day,” Reznor said. “And a portion of the time organically becomes us just figuring out who we are as people and processing life and a kind of therapy session. And in those endless hours it’s come up: Why do we want to do this? And the reason is because we both feel the most in touch with God and fulfilled.”


    It is easy to make things when you are a teenager growing up in rural Pennsylvania, near the Ohio border, as Reznor was, and you have nothing to lose and everything to gain; it is considerably harder, once you’ve gotten older, and found a way to make things that people like, to keep going. It’s an old story: The act of creation can lift you up, but those sharp gifts can also destroy you, and if you make it past that, the sheer blissful regularity of life with money and a family can even you out so thoroughly that there is no friction left to work with. You look inside the cupboard and the cupboard is bare, or it’s a mansion and living inside of it is a person you’re bored of, and so you stop looking. But Reznor and Ross have never stopped looking, and the search for that magical feeling of finding something—that feeling of, in Reznor’s words, “I don’t know where it came from. I don’t know how I just did what I did, but I’ve channeled it into something that worked”—is still the thing that organizes their days and their moods.
    We were talking in their studio, which was low lit and cold and full of synthesizers blinking lights. Reznor was on a couch and Ross sat in a chair nearby. The two men first met in the ’90s, when Reznor signed Ross’s band, 12 Rounds, to Reznor’s Nothing Records. Soon after, they became friends, and then musical collaborators. “I was just getting sober,” Reznor said, “and I was in a pretty fragile transitional phase. And I just hit it off with Atticus right off the bat. And part of it was, he was someone who was on much firmer ground, in a mentor-y kind of way, than I was.”


    Ross is two years younger than Reznor, but when they met, he’d already been through certain things Reznor was just getting around to. “I got clean when I was very young,” Ross told me. “So I had a bit more experience than him. Put it like this: I knew you could have fun without being high.”
    Their friendship has been a constant in both their lives since. “I don’t know if parts of us are broken and we don’t feel good enough,” Reznor said, staring at the ceiling of the studio, “but we know if we work as hard as we can and do the best work we can, it fixes something. At the core of it, that’s what unites us creatively. On top of that, I think his take on the world and role in life helps me understand my place and not feel as detached in some ways.”
    Reznor often jokes, or simply explains, that he is a “quart low” on whatever it is that makes people happy. “I think we can both on our own devices run below zero as a baseline,” Reznor said. “I don’t mean manic depression, I just mean we don’t take compliments well. It’s like when we won the Oscar, it was the day after: ‘Let’s take today guilt-free, kind of say fuck yeah.’ And tomorrow we’ll have settled back down to a few feet below sea level.”
    In their years of collaborating with each other, both men have found some mutual reassurance—a little lift. Reznor gestured at Ross.
    “I remember something he said to me—I don’t know if you want me to say this or not—in one of our talks years ago: ‘Here’s what I want today.’ ”
    “I see what’s coming,” Ross said, nervously.
    “I just want to feel okay,” Reznor said, quoting his friend. “I want to feel like I’m okay.”


    s best friend, bandmate, and business partner, Atticus Ross, and they get to work. Reznor and Ross observe the same hours, Monday through Friday, 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. “We show up,” Reznor told me. “We’re not late. We’re not coming in to start to fuck around.” It’s a methodical, orderly existence that Reznor could not have foreseen in the ’90s, when he was fronting Nine Inch Nails and struggling with a drug-and-alcohol problem that was his answer to success. “I would do anything to avoid writing a song,” Reznor said. “I’d rewire the studio 50 times.”
    Now Reznor has a wife, Mariqueen Maandig, five kids, and multiple jobs. He is sober. Since 2010, when the director David Fincher asked Reznor and Ross to score The Social Network, for which Reznor and Ross won an Oscar, the two men have had steady employment composing for film. This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a company called With Teeth, built around storytelling in multiple disciplines: film production, fashion, a music festival, and a venture with Epic Games.
    And then, of course, there is the oldest and perhaps still the most complicated of Reznor’s jobs: being the frontman of Nine Inch Nails. In 1988 Reznor formed what was then a one-man band; the first two full-length records Nine Inch Nails released, Pretty Hate Machine (1989) and The Downward Spiral (1994), have sold more than 8 million copies. (Over subsequent years and subsequent albums, the band has since crossed the 20 million mark in sales.) In the ’90s, for a time, Nine Inch Nails was ubiquitous: a phenomenon on the level of Nirvana or Dr. Dre. During that decade, the success of the band nearly killed Reznor. “I didn’t feel prepared to process how disorienting that was,” he said. “How much it can distort your personality.”
    These days, Nine Inch Nails, which Ross joined as a full-time member in 2016, presents a different problem—how do you make something old, something so already well-defined, new again? There are years when Reznor feels like he has the answers and years when he’s less certain. He has put the band on hiatus more than once; after the last Nine Inch Nails tour, in 2022, Reznor deliberately took a break from playing shows as well. “For the first time in a long time I wasn’t sure: What’s the tour going to say?” Reznor told me. “What do I have to say right now? We can still play those songs real good. Maybe we can come up with a new production. But it wasn’t screaming at me: This is what to do right now.”
    But he and Ross still come to work, daily, in search of transcendence. “We sit in here every day,” Reznor said. “And a portion of the time organically becomes us just figuring out who we are as people and processing life and a kind of therapy session. And in those endless hours it’s come up: Why do we want to do this? And the reason is because we both feel the most in touch with God and fulfilled.”
    It is easy to make things when you are a teenager growing up in rural Pennsylvania, near the Ohio border, as Reznor was, and you have nothing to lose and everything to gain; it is considerably harder, once you’ve gotten older, and found a way to make things that people like, to keep going. It’s an old story: The act of creation can lift you up, but those sharp gifts can also destroy you, and if you make it past that, the sheer blissful regularity of life with money and a family can even you out so thoroughly that there is no friction left to work with. You look inside the cupboard and the cupboard is bare, or it’s a mansion and living inside of it is a person you’re bored of, and so you stop looking. But Reznor and Ross have never stopped looking, and the search for that magical feeling of finding something—that feeling of, in Reznor’s words, “I don’t know where it came from. I don’t know how I just did what I did, but I’ve channeled it into something that worked”—is still the thing that organizes their days and their moods.
    We were talking in their studio, which was low lit and cold and full of synthesizers blinking lights. Reznor was on a couch and Ross sat in a chair nearby. The two men first met in the ’90s, when Reznor signed Ross’s band, 12 Rounds, to Reznor’s Nothing Records. Soon after, they became friends, and then musical collaborators. “I was just getting sober,” Reznor said, “and I was in a pretty fragile transitional phase. And I just hit it off with Atticus right off the bat. And part of it was, he was someone who was on much firmer ground, in a mentor-y kind of way, than I was.”
    Ross is two years younger than Reznor, but when they met, he’d already been through certain things Reznor was just getting around to. “I got clean when I was very young,” Ross told me. “So I had a bit more experience than him. Put it like this: I knew you could have fun without being high.”
    Their friendship has been a constant in both their lives since. “I don’t know if parts of us are broken and we don’t feel good enough,” Reznor said, staring at the ceiling of the studio, “but we know if we work as hard as we can and do the best work we can, it fixes something. At the core of it, that’s what unites us creatively. On top of that, I think his take on the world and role in life helps me understand my place and not feel as detached in some ways.”
    Reznor often jokes, or simply explains, that he is a “quart low” on whatever it is that makes people happy. “I think we can both on our own devices run below zero as a baseline,” Reznor said. “I don’t mean manic depression, I just mean we don’t take compliments well. It’s like when we won the Oscar, it was the day after: ‘Let’s take today guilt-free, kind of say fuck yeah.’ And tomorrow we’ll have settled back down to a few feet below sea level.”
    In their years of collaborating with each other, both men have found some mutual reassurance—a little lift. Reznor gestured at Ross.
    “I remember something he said to me—I don’t know if you want me to say this or not—in one of our talks years ago: ‘Here’s what I want today.’ ”
    “I see what’s coming,” Ross said, nervously.
    “I just want to feel okay,” Reznor said, quoting his friend. “I want to feel like I’m okay.”
    One day this past winter, Reznor greeted me at the door of their studio—in the course of reporting this story, I never saw him anywhere else—wearing a black hoodie made by the synthesizer company Moog, black jeans, and black running shoes. At 58, Reznor still retains the angular intensity and jet-black hair of his youth, but time and fatherhood seem to have made him quicker to smile. He looks a little like a college professor now, or an unusually well-cared-for software engineer. He led me back, past walls of unused gear and several black-clad mannequins, all of which startled me, to their primary workspace, where Ross—a tall West Londoner with a stern face and a pleasantly reedy voice—sat at a computer, also all in black. (Once, I asked the two men whether their upcoming clothing line would feature any color. “No,” Reznor said, incredulously. “Of course not.”)


    They were on deadline for two films at the moment, including Luca Guadagnino’s forthcoming Queer. “But we’re trying not to work,” Reznor said, dryly. Leaned up against one wall was a photo of the two in tuxedos, accepting the Academy Award for best original score for their work on The Social Network. Reznor had contributed to soundtracks before, in the ’90s, but he’d never formally scored a film until The Social Network.


    But Reznor and Ross quickly realized that the work, in some ways, wasn’t so different from songwriting. “What do we do when we write a song?” Reznor asked. “We’re trying to emotionally connect with somebody.” Take the Mark Zuckerberg character in The Social Network: “Here’s somebody who thinks this idea is so important that it’s worth kind of fucking your friends over for it. And then realizing maybe it wasn’t worth it, or I didn’t realize how I’d feel if I got what I wanted at the price of this. I can relate to that in my own language. Suddenly there’s music.”


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    And Reznor found that he enjoyed the exercise of solving someone else’s problems instead of his own. “There’s something about not being the boss and working again in service to something that I initially felt guilty for feeling kind of fulfilled by in a weird way.” Reznor said that on another Fincher film, Mank, the director suggested: “What if it sounded like maybe inspired by Bernard Herrmann and as if it were recorded in 1935 and this film canister sat on the shelf for 60 years?” Okay, interesting. (Ross and Reznor were nominated for that one too.)


    On the first film the two men scored for Guadagnino, Bones and All, “we got a cut of that that was nearly four hours long with no music and we kind of thought, Oh, fuck,” Reznor said. “Four hours we sat without a pee break, transfixed. It didn’t need music. And when you watch that you approach it differently.” Then Guadagnino brought them Challengers, which will be released this month. Reznor said, “He started us down a path, saying, ‘What if it was very loud techno music through the whole film?’ ” (This is exactly what it turned out to be.)
    “I wish I had his notes,” Ross said of Guadagnino. “His notes were so fucking funny on what each piece was meant to do.”
    “Oh, yeah,” Reznor said. “ ‘Unending homoerotic desire.’ It was all a variation on those three words.”
    They liked the challenge of scoring, they found, and that feeling of not being in control. They also liked the way it made them crave being in control again: “It makes you more inspired to work on other stuff when we’re finished,” Reznor said. “Even if it’s just, Thank God it’s done now and we can appreciate the freedom we had before we gave it up.”


    These days, Reznor and Ross also like having jobs that let them be at home, around their families. Both men had tumultuous or lonely lives when they were younger; both men have found that fatherhood soothes certain unresolved aspects of their pasts. Ross has three kids, and “probably the greatest reward is how balanced and happy they all are compared to—certainly my growing up was an unusual sort of scenario. It was a fairly chaotic youth.” Ross comes from a notable English family, but his immediate lineage was more unstable. “My dad had a club called Flipper’s Roller Boogie Palace here in LA in the ’70s,” Ross told me. “He went bankrupt in England and had a judgment passed against him where he couldn’t talk to a bank manager for 15 years. So he moved here and opened this sort of Studio 54 on roller skates on La Cienega and Santa Monica.” Ross held up a coffee-table book full of photos of the club. “You don’t need to look at it, but it was just a mad life. So I grew up in some madness.”


    It is particularly endearing to see Reznor, who at a distance was a fierce and terrifying figure in his 20s and 30s, find domestic bliss. I am old enough that my adolescence coincided neatly with the S&M-flavored, I wanna fuck you like an animal era of Nine Inch Nails; when I was leaving Reznor’s house one day, I noted with some amusement the cheerful mundanity of a basketball hoop in the backyard. “I’m grateful not to be as angry and frustrated and desperate as I have felt in the past,” Reznor told me. “I couldn’t have predicted that there was a world where I would have a sizable family with kids and feel the level of fulfillment and comfort and be able to live in that.”
    Was that something you were consciously seeking before you found it?
    “I think I had some abandonment issues from my parents splitting up, or feeling I never fit in, and I’d gotten accustomed to being on my own. And largely due to my own, I think, inability to really be intimate with people, or share or be open or know how to be a friend or a partner to somebody.… Trying that out and doing it with pure and full immersion has led to an unexpectedly great outcome.”


    The other film project Reznor and Ross were on deadline for was Scott Derrickson’s The Gorge, a sci-fi thriller starring Miles Teller and Anya Taylor-Joy. They were working on a lengthy, music-dependent scene that they’d already mostly scored. But, Ross said, “the director wants it to be a bit more, I can’t think of a better word than just a bit more scary and intense.” They weren’t sure what that directive meant, exactly, but they were content—they were happy—to try to figure it out: to enter the room once again, carrying nothing, and to try to leave it with something that didn’t exist before.
    Ross called up the scene on a monitor at the center of a long mixing board: Teller and Taylor-Joy in an evil-looking spiky forest. Reznor and Ross have somewhat fluid roles in their collaboration, but today the plan was for Reznor to improvise some music while Ross edited and manipulated it in real time. “Atticus’s superpower,” Reznor said, “is that I can come up with a melody and a chord change, and he can make that sit on the scene in a way that is meticulous, and mind-numbingly boring to watch him do.”
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    A studio assistant, also in all black, presented himself to help Reznor set up a microphone and a cello next to a keyboard that sat underneath another computer monitor. Ross hit Play on the footage and what they’d already completed of the score, a kind of haunted, chanting murmur. “It’s basically atmosphere at the moment,” Ross said. Next to him was a synthesizer whose make and model he asked me not to print and which the two men use as a kind of sound ecosystem to feed stuff into.
    Reznor began by pushing down on the piano’s keyboard, while with his other hand he manipulated the sound with a flat synthesizer on the desk in front of him. It began as a kind of mellow pan flute thing, and then, with a push of a few buttons, became more of a sad, Social Network–ish plonk. Ross stood up and started tapping the synthesizer to his left, and the sounds Reznor made began to loop and accumulate—little melodic figures that plunged in and out of feedback. Reznor moved from the piano to the microphone, where he sang a few soft passages in a baritone falsetto, more sad than spooky, and then to the cello, which he bowed slowly and choppily. Ross moved between the computer and the synthesizer, trying to harness it all as it built to a loud, echoing crescendo.
    After about 20 minutes, Reznor sat back in his chair, and Ross soon followed suit. Everything got quiet again. “It’s going fishing,” Reznor said to me, shrugging. “Sometimes something happens.”
    Or, sometimes, everything happens. One of the first things you see when you arrive at Reznor’s home studio are two original paintings by the artist Russell Mills—on the left, a razor against a rusty red background; on the right, a decaying yellow-and-black collage—that ultimately became the insert and the cover art for Nine Inch Nails’ The Downward Spiral. This is the record with “Hurt” and “Closer” on it. It’s an album Reznor nearly didn’t survive.
    Why do I bring this up? Well. If I may, for a moment, sound like the aging dude in a black T-shirt leaning against the back wall of a bar where you’re just trying to be young and free of recitations of what the year 1994 felt like, there was a different quality to the way things would happen in music. Bands would labor for years, unknown, and then just get struck by lightning, is the best way I can put it: One day, you’re just a guy, and then one radio station plays your song, and then every radio station plays your song, and everyone is listening to those radio stations, because there is nothing else to do, and then MTV loops your video, and everyone watches it because, again, there is nothing else to do, and all of a sudden you are known by millions of bored people in a way that doesn’t quite happen now. This is a gross oversimplification, of course, but here Reznor is, one of the very few people who have experienced the thing I’m describing. I thought: Let’s just ask him what it was like.
    Reznor said, okay, he could tell me exactly what it felt like. He gave me a single moment: Woodstock ’94, which Nine Inch Nails almost didn’t play—“it seemed like it was going to be gross, to be honest with you”—but ultimately did. “And when we got there, it was terrifying,” Reznor said. “It was way bigger than I pictured in my head and walking onstage. But this is the point of the story: I knew. You could feel like you were in the right place at the right time.”
    In retrospect, how did you handle success?
    “Had a drink. That’s what sent me down the path. I wasn’t the guy that, you know, at 12 years old cracked a beer. That wasn’t it at all. Just, I feel anxious around people. I’m not sure how to act, especially now that you’re someone that’s supposed to act a certain way. There’s a projection. It feels uncomfortable to walk down the street and people are looking at you because they recognize you. That’s weird. Suddenly everybody wants to be your friend and you’re the coolest. Everyone wants to date you and shit like that.” Reznor said he found it was “easier to have a beer before I go in that room, and then a couple beers before I go in that room. And pretty soon over a period of time, wait a minute, things start to get out of control. And you know how the story goes.”


    Here’s how the story went: Reznor began to wonder if Trent Reznor could ever live up to the Nine Inch Nails guy that people had in their head. “The reason I was having to drink was to fix that problem, my own insecurity. But the net result is: I’m not really who I am because now I’ve got drugs or alcohol in my system and I’m not thinking as who I really am. And that comes into focus once one gets sober and has time to reflect and kind of think about what got you there and shit you did.”
    Eventually, Reznor got sober, and built himself back up. Today he’s happy to talk about all of it, obviously, but he and Ross have done a lot together since—10 albums’ worth of Nine Inch Nails (Ross was an official member of the band for five of them), among other things—and Reznor is, by nature, not one to dwell too much on the past of a band that he’s still very much trying to figure out. “We’re not fans of resting on laurels. We’ve been afraid of thinking about nostalgia. That’s a whole other conversation, but the reality is we’re getting older and our fans are getting older and that’s a fact. And I think, say, during the pandemic, not that you asked this question, but as I’m sure everybody was, I was pretty genuinely freaked out and very clearly came into focus: I’ve got to protect my family.” He was consumed by fear, by terror of what might happen, of what he might do about it. “I can’t even fit all my kids in a car,” Reznor said. “But in the midst of that anxiety, sitting alone in here, I found comfort in nostalgia. I found comfort looking back at things from my youth that I’ve been afraid to even allow myself to glimpse at because it meant artistic death. Because one has to look forward. One can’t be self-referential. I was so afraid growing up in a little shitty town. I could see people that thought the highlight of their life is junior in high school catching the football. You know what I mean? That’s it. That was the peak. I don’t want to fucking be that person. I could see my fate if I stayed in that town.”
    In those moments sitting by yourself, what were you getting nostalgic for?
    “I miss parts of living in Pennsylvania. I miss a simpler life that I grew up with. I really loved the first INXS album in 1983. I was a senior in high school, and when I listen to it now I could almost start crying because it fucking reminds me of driving in a shitty fucking car in the summer in Pennsylvania. You know what I mean? Man. I allowed myself to kind of immerse myself in who I was at that time, and what it felt like.”
    Reznor had been trying to remake himself ever since he left where he grew up, and now here he is in Los Angeles, over 40 years later. “And I kind of went on a deep dive for a while and allowed myself to realize: I am who I am. And the things that made me weren’t the cool things. I’d always been ashamed of: I came from a shitty town; I didn’t have an exotic upbringing; shitty education, you know what I mean? That’s who I am. I’m not sure what the point of all that confession was.”
    Well, except: “It plays into where I’m at now.”
    The last time I saw Reznor and Ross, it was once again in their studio. They were sitting very still. Had they been working before I got there?
    “We were for a little bit,” Ross said. “And then nervously thinking about you arriving.”
    Really? It’s okay if that’s the truth.
    “That’s the truth,” Reznor said. They’d just been in this room for the past weeks, months—years, really, he said. Head down. Working. He gestured at me. “It’s a different mindset.”
    And “I was thinking about something you said the other day,” Reznor said. That was on a Friday. I’d asked a somewhat rude question about their soundtrack work, which was: Why would Reznor or Ross work for anyone else when they didn’t have to?
    Now it was Monday. “I thought about that over the weekend,” Reznor said. “It’s like, Why are we doing this? The idea comes from what we think is a good place of ‘Let’s break it up. Let’s get sent down the rabbit hole on certain things and feel like we’ve got tasks being assigned to us rather than us just blindly seeing what happens creatively.’ ”


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    But, he said, “I think coming out of a stretch of a number of films in a row, I want some time of seeing where the wind blows versus: There’s a looming date on a calendar coming up and we better get our shit together. And certainly in the last few weeks I’ve been itching to do what we often do, which is just come in and let’s start something that we’re not even sure what it’s for.”
    Some of that energy, he and Ross said, would probably become the next Nine Inch Nails album. Doing soundtrack work, Reznor said, had “managed to make Nine Inch Nails feel way more exciting than it had been in the past few years. I’d kind of let it atrophy a bit in my mind for a variety of reasons.”
    But now, “I do feel excited about starting on the next record,” Ross said. “I think we’re in a place now where we kind of have an idea.”
    And then there was the company With Teeth, which Reznor and Ross spent the last two years putting together, piece by piece, with the help of John Crawford, their longtime art director, and the producer Jonathan Pavesi. The idea was, what could they do that they hadn’t already done around storytelling? Some of that might take the form of examining Nine Inch Nails from yet another angle—“we’ve been working on homegrown IP around Nine Inch Nails, stories we could tell, and we’re working on developing those in a way that are not what you think they’d be.” (As in: not a biopic.) They also have a show in development with Christopher Storer, the creator of The Bear, they said, and a film with the veteran horror director Mike Flanagan.
    Reznor put on a pair of black-rimmed glasses so that he could examine a piece of paper next to him. “We just wrote some notes because I knew I’d forget what the fuck I’m about to say.” There was a short film coming with the artist Susanne Deeken. There was a clothing venture, a line called Memory Fade (one of the contributing artists is Fergus Purcell, known for his work with Palace and Aries), which will arrive this summer. There was a music festival that they were currently planning, “where we’re going to debut as performing as composers along with a roster of other interesting people,” and a record label, both scheduled to launch around the same time.
    And for two years they’ve been working with Epic Games on something that is not exactly a video game, in the UEFN ecosystem Epic has built around Fortnite—“It’s what Zuckerberg was trying to bullshit us into calling the metaverse,” Reznor said. “You can’t say that word anymore, but in terms of the tool kit, thinking about it through the lens of what could be possible for artists and experiences, we thought that would be an interesting way to tell a story through that.”
    They were nervously contemplating the prospect of having day jobs again, of being responsible for more than just themselves. Early on, as they contemplated launching With Teeth, they’d sat down with David Fincher to ask him about movie production: How does it work? “And he’s like, oh, you’re fucked,” Reznor said. “I can distill a two-hour conversation into that. Because, he said, ‘I know you guys, and no one’s going to care more than you do, and you will not be able to let it go.’ ”


    Reznor has actually had this experience before, of being sucked into a project bigger than Nine Inch Nails and having it take over his entire life. Years ago he worked as an executive, first for Beats and then for Apple, building a streaming-music service.
    “Trent was very clear when we started,” Ross said. “We cannot let this get into Apple terrain.”
    Reznor laughed. “What I mean by that is—I will make this brief; I’m trying to think through what I’m about to talk shit on. Just to self-censor for a second.”
    Reznor paused for a moment and then explained. For years, he said, he’d wondered: What would make a good streaming service? This was before the advent of Spotify in the US or Apple Music. Jimmy Iovine, Reznor’s old label boss—later, Iovine would also become Ross’s brother-in-law, after he married Ross’s sister, Liberty, in 2016—was launching a music service at Beats, which was then acquired by Apple, and Iovine said to Reznor: Come try to make this thing a reality. And Reznor surprised himself by saying yes.
    “It was a unique opportunity to work at the biggest company in the world at a high level,” Reznor said. “And it was interesting, the scale of the people that you reach through those platforms, just the global amount of influence those platforms can have was exciting. The political situation I was dropped into was not as exciting.”
    Reznor enjoyed working with Apple’s design team and its engineering team. “But it made me realize how much I want to be an artist first and foremost.” Reznor also became discouraged with the possibility of fixing the problem that he was trying to solve. “I think the terrible payout of streaming services has mortally wounded a whole tier of artists that make being an artist unsustainable. And it’s great if you’re Drake, and it’s not great if you’re Grizzly Bear. And the reality is: Take a look around. We’ve had enough time for the whole ‘All the boats rise’ argument to see they don’t all rise. Those boats rise. These boats don’t. They can’t make money in any means. And I think that’s bad for art. And I thought maybe at Apple there could be influence to pay in a more fair or significant way, because a lot of these services are just a rounding error compared to what comes in elsewhere, unlike Spotify where their whole business is that. But that’s tied to a lot of other political things and label issues, and everyone’s trying to hold onto their little piece of the pie and it is what it is. I also realize, I think that people just want to turn the faucet on and have music come in. They’re not really concerned about all the romantic shit I thought mattered.”
    Anyway, Reznor said, turning to Ross, “that was a long-winded way of saying, when we talked about this company, I just said, ‘Be aware of what success might look like because it will turn into something that eats up lots of cycles and time and attention and energy.’ ”
    But, Ross said, taking on new responsibilities was, paradoxically, also a way to stay a little younger. “I know we’ve all been talking about being dads and being adults and all that,” Ross said, “and there is a part of me that thinks: It’s important to keep the kid alive.” Meaning the kid inside yourself, rather the one you’re responsible for.
    He told a story about him and Reznor visiting the director David Lynch at his house to work with him on the 2017 revival of Twin Peaks. “And I don’t know how old he was at the time,” Ross said, “but he was older. But just walking in there, and he had the room set up and there’s a screen there, there’s some chairs here and there’s some musical instruments there and he’s smoking a cigarette. There’s nothing old about that dude. You know what I mean?”
    Lynch showed them some Lynchian footage. It was incredible, even if they didn’t quite know what they were looking at. Lynch was probably 70 or 71 at the time. “But it’s that thing of it doesn’t matter how old he is,” Ross said. “He is alive. It’s that bit of it all that one doesn’t want to lose with age.”
    The point was, Reznor said: “Let’s try some stuff. We’re bored. We are. You know what I mean? We’re grateful. We enjoy doing films. We can write a better Nine Inch Nails record, I think. We can put on a cooler tour. We are aimed to do that. But man, what if we try to do that?” Meaning, the company. “What if we could take what we’re good at, like we did with film? We identified something I think we’re good at and we figured out how to apply it to something else. What if we take that theory and try it on some other things? And that’s led us into: We’re not beaten down completely yet. And it feels exciting. That’s what matters to us right now.”
    Zach Baron is GQ’s senior special projects editor.
    A version of this story origianlly appeared int he April/May 2024 issue of GQ with the title “Dark Kingdom”




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    Looks like the US article is behind a paywall, and the UK one isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trollmanen View Post
    Looks like the US article is behind a paywall, and the UK one isn't.
    That's weird. I don't get a paywall.

    Edit: It looks like you get one or two complimentary articles per month on the site, then you get the paywall. Use Incognito Mode to bypass.
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    This seems like the stuff Reznor and the great Rob Sheridan were doing around Year Zero. The tv. The video game.

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    Sad about them partnering with the cancer that is Epic Games and keep on working with that hack Guadagnino but at least everything else sounds nice if it's gonna actually happen.

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    Sounds like it should be called NINtertainment 720.

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    This was a great read. I think one of the biggest takeaways from this to me was the idea of them debuting as Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross as the composers in a live setting at their music festival. Trent has incredible taste in music, so I'm it's going to be one of those "I have to see this" type of line ups.

    Along with their other ventures, obviously the biggest one is them excited about what a new Nine Inch Nails album would be. Sounds like we're a a year, at least, away from that.

    Regardless, there's super, super exciting stuff ahead! Oh, and that photoshoot is incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something Underneath View Post
    Sad about them partnering with the cancer that is Epic Games and keep on working with that hack Guadagnino but at least everything else sounds nice if it's gonna actually happen.
    I'll bite; why is he a hack? Honestly asking, I have no opinion on him one way or the other except I saw Call Me By Your Name and thought it was pretty good. Haven't seen anything else he's done though.

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    It'll be interesting to see what happens with this. Couldn't care less about a fashion line, but dipping their toes into other things is at least intriguing. I'm sure it'll piss off the fans who only want Nine Inch Nails music, but they're always mad anyway.

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    n,inc

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    My sincere hope is that this talk about a record label means they get the leverage/clout to put more of their own music on vinyl again. There's a significant backlog of digital-only scores now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imail724 View Post
    I'll bite; why is he a hack? Honestly asking, I have no opinion on him one way or the other except I saw Call Me By Your Name and thought it was pretty good. Haven't seen anything else he's done though.
    I can’t recall a movie I outright hated recently more than his garbage take on Suspiria and because of that, haven’t watched anything else of his. He took all the color and wonder out of it. Could’ve cut 45 mins of just people having dinner out and it still would’ve been a bad movie.

    I’m interested in hearing the score music though and literally everything else in the article. Our boys are building an empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swykk View Post
    I can’t recall a movie I outright hated recently more than his garbage take on Suspiria and because of that, haven’t watched anything else of his. He took all the color and wonder out of it. Could’ve cut 45 mins of just people having dinner out and it still would’ve been a bad movie.

    I’m interested in hearing the score music though and literally everything else in the article. Our boys are building an empire.
    I loved his version of Suspiria, haha. I mean, nothing can touch the original but that was so wild to see at the theater. I liked Bones and All, too and I'm excited to see Challengers just because of how the score was described. Hearing good things about it though!

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    I don't want to derail the thread, but I'm a pretty big Argento fan and thought Guadagnino's Susperia was an immensely better film.
    The company sounds interesting but everything is so vague even with the long article. I hope they stay excited about this undertaking and hope it is successful and rewarding in whatever way they will measure those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    My sincere hope is that this talk about a record label means they get the leverage/clout to put more of their own music on vinyl again. There's a significant backlog of digital-only scores now.
    I hear ya, but let's get those Definitive Editions of Year Zero and The Slip out first! Also, as someone who missed out on The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo vinyl when it was reasonably priced, I'd LOVE a reissue of that, too.

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    Hmmm… With Teeth as a company now. Maybe this means we’ll learn about Cover It Up, Good Day and The End? Hint, hint, Trent.

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