Random NIN Questions

[sheepdean]

That site's navigation has always been a fucking nightmare, it's shocking that it was ever put out with that design in the first place.

Rob makes pretty sites, but not always the most functional ones. Remember his old personal site with random, unmarked squares for every link?

[Jordan]

For those of you that have seen both, what was your favorite and why?

The shows were very different. I loved them both for different reasons. LITS was more aggressive. Tension with Pino, Lisa and Sharlotte was a little more groove oriented. Both we so good! If you put a gun to my head I'd say LITS but I'd feel guilty about it later.

[head_lice]

.I wasn't a fan of NIN until about 2010 so I missed LITS, but I've seen the videos on Youtube and it is just....insane. I think it looks superior to Tension, but I wasn't there to see LITS in person. For those of you that have seen both, what was your favorite and why?

I'd say because of the warning, vessel, Big comedown, piggy, only and echoplex lineup for LITS did it for me as my favorite tour. But having a hard on for Year Zero may have to do a lot with that as well, lol.

[howdidislipinto]

For those of you that have seen both, what was your favorite and why?

I was lucky enough to catch a few LITS stops and only got to catch one full production Tension show, so that may play a part in liking Tension more because it seems more special... but I think even without that, Tension wins. LITS was awesome and had some really gasp-worthy moments, but Tension managed to balance the visuals with really strong music/musicianship in a way NIN had never been able to before. I'm truly sad it's over.

Where's that bluray, anyway?

[Jon Griffin]

Where's that bluray, anyway?

I feel like the Blu-Ray is going to become the next Fragile reissue, always coming "soon".

[Corona Radiata]

Is the old picture section from nin.com still up? I know there isn't a link from the main site available anymore, but is it still there like the official forum and does anyone have direct link?

[sheepdean]

Yes and no, the page exists but it's blank http://beta.media.nin.com/main/images

[martin_b]

- is that Billy Howerdel?

[Charmingly Miserable]

I wonder who Trent was referencing to in The Becoming? Who is Annie? It was rumored that it was a Tori reference, but even the Tori community dispelled that one.

[sheepdean]

I wonder who Trent was referencing to in The Becoming? Who is Annie? It was rumored that it was a Tori reference, but even the Tori community dispelled that one.

He's stated in an interview she was a highschool girlfriend, the Tori thing was started by crazy people (like, worse than Bill crazy)

[botley]

- is that Billy Howerdel?

Yes, he was a guitar tech during the Self Destruct tour.

[icecream]

So I was lucky to have seen NIN on Tension last year (best night of my life) and I was blown away. There were several "HOLY SHIT" moments when my jaw literally dropped (A Warm Place, the cube during Disappointed,the insanity that is the end of WISH/BN, Satellite). I wasn't a fan of NIN until about 2010 so I missed LITS, but I've seen the videos on Youtube and it is just....insane. I think it looks superior to Tension, but I wasn't there to see LITS in person. For those of you that have seen both, what was your favorite and why?

That's a tough one. LITS was a longer show and had more intense visuals but Tension had really interesting setlists and a really different band for NIN. For the overall experience, LITS wins for me. First time seeing NIN, first big concert, and amazing visuals. Add to that, the show I was at was part of the gift footage. But, Tension was amazing too. Some songs played like some HM material and All the Love in the World will likely never be played again, or if it is, very rarely. Don't feel like you missed out, Tension was just as good!

[icecream]

for the record, I am not saying WT or Japanese Whispers are bad....but they both were commercial followups aimed at the mainstream....and both were the followups to very arty, non commercial albums that are adored by the hardcore fanbase

In Bowie perspectives, saying WT is your fav NIN album or JW is your fav Cure album is like saying Lets dance or Tonight is your fav Bowie album...the hardcore DB fan will go to Low or Scary Monsters, etc and roll their eyes at you....INCLUDING TRENT who has stated many times how he loves Berlin era and hates DBs 80s output

I liked this post because I think WT was an album Trent really tried to make as accessible as possible.

That being saaaaaid, when has Trent said he hates Bowie's 80's albums? Only time I have heard him mention them is when he said he got into Bowie around Scary Monsters.

Who cares what album is someone's favorite from an artist? I love NIN and Bowie. Sure I really like TF or the Berlin trilogy, but I also love TDS or Ziggy Stardust just as much. Does that make me not a hardcore fan of either?

[implanted_microchip]

@icecream : you're forgetting that in Bill's world "accessible" equals "utter shit."

[billpulsipher]

I liked this post because I think WT was an album Trent really tried to make as accessible as possible.

That being saaaaaid, when has Trent said he hates Bowie's 80's albums? Only time I have heard him mention them is when he said he got into Bowie around Scary Monsters.

Who cares what album is someone's favorite from an artist? I love NIN and Bowie. Sure I really like TF or the Berlin trilogy, but I also love TDS or Ziggy Stardust just as much. Does that make me not a hardcore fan of either?

on Bowie terms, ANYTHING he did from 1970 through scary monsters is highly regarded....lets dance up through tin machine is regarded as utter shit....If some Bowie fan tells you his fav album is Tin Machine, you would roll your eyes...same thing as a NIN fan saying Slip or WT is the best NIN album.............1970-1980 Bowie=1989-1999 NIN..

[implanted_microchip]

Except The Slip and With Teeth both are generally well-regarded, with a lot of people who would never typically listen to NIN loving The Slip for its minimalist presentation.

With Teeth: 71 on Metacritic, with an 8.7 out of 10 user score

The Slip: 78 on Metacritic, with an 8.5 out of 10 user score

And go to the Wikipedia pages for either and look at the critical reception section, and go onto forums and see what fans generally say, and look at sales figures and any other gauge you want of whether or not people generally consider those albums good and guess what, Bill, you will find that it's a fairly consistent view people hold that these are decent, good or great, with a minority truly hating them.

[icecream]

on Bowie terms, ANYTHING he did from 1970 through scary monsters is highly regarded....lets dance up through tin machine is regarded as utter shit....If some Bowie fan tells you his fav album is Tin Machine, you would roll your eyes...same thing as a NIN fan saying Slip or WT is the best NIN album.............1970-1980 Bowie=1989-1999 NIN..

I don't get what your saying. The albums after Let's Dance weren't as commercially successful as previous Bowie albums. I'll even agree in saying they aren't very good. But isn't commercial success what you are using to judge real fans from the casual or poser fans? If someone said they liked Tin Machine or Never Let Me Down, I wouldn't think they were a poser fan. I would think that person must be really into Bowie to even check them out.

So by saying you should roll your eyes at people who like the less successful releases of an artists discography, With Teeth should be everyone's favorite NIN album because it sold well and got pretty good reviews and the Fragile should be shit because it didn't sell as well as TDS and didn't get as good reviews.

[WorzelG]

Didn't Pitchfork give The Slip a good score and they're hardly the people to like commercial stuff?

[jmtd]

Another problem with the Cure comparison is that Pornography is adored by hardcore fans NOW but it wasn't at the time. The Cure didn't have a massive fanbase until between THOTD and Disintegration.

[BenAkenobi]

And come on, don't compare Rezzie's measly 9 albums to Bowie's 9000

[WorzelG]

I feel like the Blu-Ray is going to become the next Fragile reissue, always coming "soon".

They professionally filmed the whole show in Vienna so I think they are going to release a blu-ray of the whole tour rather than just Tension. I wonder if they'll film one of the summer shows too?

[r_z]

same thing as a NIN fan saying Slip or WT is the best NIN album

Except The Slip IS the best NIN album as it represents the one time Trent wasn't as far up his own ass as he was while recording the others.

A lotta as in there.

[billpulsipher]

I cant even count how many friends of mine who were huge NIN fans that stopped listening after WT and claim TR went to shit once he got sober and everything post Fragile is garbage. Like it or not, there is a percentage of people who feel that way. I remember being at one of the NINJA shows and everytime he started playing YZ or Slip songs, people started walking around and going to get drinks

WT isnt highly regarded at all. Its generally regarded as the sell out record...Im not saying Slip is bad but if you are going to try and say Sip matches up to TDS...I mean give me a break...Slip was like an EP almost that he threw out there for the fans.

almost every big band has a group of albums that are regarded as their peak, a group of albums that are utter shit and some in between (The Cure 80s is epic, early 90s/Bloodflowers in between, post 1996 is trash)...Depeche Mode 1984-1997 is epic, post 97 is trash, 2005 Playing The Angel is in between)...Skinny Puppy 1984-1992 is epic, post 1996 is shit..Bowie 1971-1980 epic, post 1980 is utter shit, Outside is in between...etc etc.....the general perception of NIN is 1989-1999, PHM, Broken, TDS and Fragile are TR's creative peak...doesnt mean his post 2005 albums are shit....but it does mean is if some NIN fan tells you WT or Slip are better than Fragile or TDS that they are fucking clueless

[botley]

I think the best thing about your music criticism is the wealth of broad-ranging examples you draw upon from all styles and genres the world over.

[fillow]

general perception of billpulsipher in 2013 was fucking epic. 2014 is utter shit.

[Charmingly Miserable]

WT isnt highly regarded at all.

Stop right there. Just stop.

[implanted_microchip]

Depeche Mode 1984-1997 is epic, post 97 is trash, 2005 Playing The Angel is in between)

But they only had one album between Ultra and Playing the Angel, or did you forget that? So how can you call an entire timeframe trash when it was only one album? And then fail to mention Sounds of the Universe or Delta Machine, both of which have some pretty positive fan responses?

[billpulsipher]

But they only had one album between Ultra and Playing the Angel, or did you forget that? So how can you call an entire timeframe trash when it was only one album? And then fail to mention Sounds of the Universe or Delta Machine, both of which have some pretty positive fan responses?

that one album is Exciter....which is regarded as the biggest pile of shit they ever did and almost broke the band up (Dave was ready to split)

[Trias]

I cant even count how many friends of mine who were huge NIN fans that stopped listening after WT and claim TR went to shit once he got sober and everything post Fragile is garbage. Like it or not, there is a percentage of people who feel that way. I remember being at one of the NINJA shows and everytime he started playing YZ or Slip songs, people started walking around and going to get drinks

Zero is indeed a very hard number to count.

[sheepdean]

I cant even count how many friends of mine who were huge NIN fans that stopped listening after WT and claim TR went to shit once he got sober and everything post Fragile is garbage. Like it or not, there is a percentage of people who feel that way. I remember being at one of the NINJA shows and everytime he started playing YZ or Slip songs, people started walking around and going to get drinks

I'm sorry but there's no huge NIN fans like that. Because if you like less than half of a band's catalogue, you're simply not a huge fan of them. You might be a moderate fan, but never a huge fan, not if you actually hate hours upon hours of the band's music. And if they wish someone back on drugs, they're also not only not a fan, but a disgusting piece of crap.

Oh btw, With Teeth is better than The Fragile, to me.