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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    I can understand it not being included as part of the deluxe package. Most colored vinyl (if not all of it?) is noticeably noisier and/or distorted than the black vinyl I have. I know colored vinyl has become kind of a standard perk for reissues and limited runs but I'm assuming that's because so many people just buy it for the art/display aspect. But I've never had a colored vinyl that sounded great.
    idunno, most of my colored vinyl sounds absolutely fine. clear is actually the default color for vinyl (and i think it almost always sounds the best) so even black vinyl has technically been colored.

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    God Break Down the Door - first single

    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    idunno, most of my colored vinyl sounds absolutely fine. clear is actually the default color for vinyl (and i think it almost always sounds the best) so even black vinyl has technically been colored.
    Maybe the 10 or so colored vinyl I have are just mediocre-to-bad pressings? The colored vinyl I have is a small percentage of my actual collection so *shrug*. (I actually heard that about clear vinyl after buying a Beauty Pill record ... I did not realize black was not the default color of the material.)

    ... Anyway when are the people who didn't wait online for six hours gonna get to hear Ahead of Ourselves. I hate that we're not *all talking about this song*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    I can understand it not being included as part of the deluxe package. Most colored vinyl (if not all of it?) is noticeably noisier and/or distorted than the black vinyl I have. I know colored vinyl has become kind of a standard perk for reissues and limited runs but I'm assuming that's because so many people just buy it for the art/display aspect. But I've never had a colored vinyl that sounded great.
    Can't say I've noticed the correlation and I have quite a few albums on coloured vinyl, but maybe my setup isn't audiophile enough. I have had quite a few bad soundling recordings on black vinyl though but I do have a lot more black vinyl much of which is from 40 years ago!

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    Impurities/pressing on the cheap aside, it's more that limited pressings in the dozens to hundreds have more chances of sounding worse, depending on whether the plant is any good about letting a dozen or so scratch vinyl go in the trash so everything warms up. Color vinyl being a factor isn't really a thing, black vinyl is colored. Vinyl is naturally clear.
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    Black seems to be considered better by many, audio-wise as well as lasts longer and more durable due to higher carbon content. Discogs has had discussions on it. The actual plant pressing vinyl is also very important.

    https://blog.discogs.com/en/true-col...colored-vinyl/
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    Eh. Honestly, I don't hear a difference in the quality between my colored and regular black pressed vinyl. I tend to favor more colored records if possible though and may even spend the extra bit of cash to get it in a particular color ... artist like Boris, Prurient, Neon Indian, Death Grips, Jerry Paper and Ariel Pink are some of the most recent examples.

    I personally can't wait for this colored version. Makes the anticipation for Bad Witch even greater for me.

    Also is there a Discogs thread? Feel free to friend me if anyone has an account!

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    I mean, if you're super worried about sound quality you might choose 24/96, 24/48 lossless over vinyl anyway. I'm not really sure NIN masters are drastically different for vinyl beyond killing freqs that make the needle jump.

    Most NIN redbook masters seem pretty bad, though. *shrug*

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    Got my cd for 6.97 on amazon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by armogi View Post
    Got my cd for 6.97 on amazon!
    still official preorder at 12€ here

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    Am I the only one who don't see this song being played too much next tour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    Am I the only one who don't see this song being played too much next tour?
    Probably not. If it has anything at all out of the usual vocally, Trent doesn't sing it live. I hope we're wrong though

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    Am I the only one who don't see this song being played too much next tour?

    Actually I'm seeing Ilan's bleeding hands and Trent shouting NOT QUITE MY TEMPO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThousandDaysBefore View Post
    Am I the only one who don't see this song being played too much next tour?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Probably not. If it has anything at all out of the usual vocally, Trent doesn't sing it live. I hope we're wrong though
    It’ll probably replace that Bowie cover song they played last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    It’ll probably replace that Bowie cover song they played last year.
    Which I wouldn't mind, I didn't really care for that cover as much as I wanted to. Great production and arrangement, but there's something about it translating live with Trent's voice that didn't 100% click for me. The Bowie original is amazing though and one of the best album closers I've ever heard. I'm all for them incorporating back I'm Afraid of Americans in the set though if we're taking Bowie covers!

    Either way, hopefully they do find a way to incorporate God Break Down the Door into the set this year.

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    God break down the door. (:

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    Decided to do something fun and nerdy tonight with this song. I played the song while watching this edited version of the Stargate sequence from 2001: A Space Odyssey. It works fairly well for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Does sound like live drums and you're right, Ilan is probably the likeliest candidate. I guess now that it's actually out on legit streaming platforms I can reach out on Twitter and ask him.

    Best NIN in yeeeeaaaaarrrrrssss! Excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armogi View Post
    Got my cd for 6.97 on amazon!
    Yep, it started in $12 and has been going down. Here's the link, just in case https://amzn.to/2LyUali
    The LP also dropped https://amzn.to/2sOTHnr
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    Just preordered for 5.95€, also on amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonn View Post
    Probably heard a dozen times over the last 18 hours, and reaction has gone from - 'no, not for me, too much jazzy Blackstar' (I like some of that album, but it gets too free-form for me at times), to 'what a fresh approach, kudos'. The more I hear it, I hear NIN-isms all over the place, little bit of squealing guitar/synth, the marimba in the background, seemingly out of place noises here and there, all building to an epic crescendo. Can't work out if it's a drum machine or not...that would take quite a bit of programming, so wonder if Ilan was allowed to get his hands dirty in the studio for once...pretty sure it's not Dave Grohl again anyway...!
    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Does sound like live drums and you're right, Ilan is probably the likeliest candidate. I guess now that it's actually out on legit streaming platforms I can reach out on Twitter and ask him.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was programmed drums. "Not Anymore" features some live sounding drums, but nobody is credited for them, so I imagine that's something that Trent & Atticus arranged instead of having someone do it. It's also possible that Trent played them himself. People sometimes forget that Trent seems to know percussion pretty well. After all, he's the guy who gave us that great drum finale at the end of "Piggy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonn View Post
    so wonder if Ilan was allowed to get his hands dirty in the studio for once...
    Are you not aware that Ilan played live drums on "I Would For You"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    "Not Anymore" features some live sounding drums, but nobody is credited for them, so I imagine that's something that Trent & Atticus arranged instead of having someone do it.
    Trent made heavy use of Addictive Drums on The Slip. It wouldn't surprise me if he used that or another drum production plugin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triggermine View Post
    Are you not aware that Ilan played live drums on "I Would For You"?



    Trent made heavy use of Addictive Drums on The Slip. It wouldn't surprise me if he used that or another drum production plugin.
    The only live drums on "I would for you" are the crash cymbals towards the end, or something way way buried. No way any snare in that song was played live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessLoveless View Post
    The only live drums on "I would for you" are the crash cymbals towards the end, or something way way buried. No way any snare in that song was played live.
    it's possible it was and was just edited/replaced using drums-to-midi

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    it's possible it was and was just edited/replaced using drums-to-midi
    Ok yes. But in the traditional sense, whatever that means, the only live-ish drum set sound to me on that song is the crash at the end. But I guess it would make sense as anyone could go hit the crash once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armogi View Post
    Got my cd for 6.97 on amazon!
    Quote Originally Posted by r_z View Post
    Just preordered for 5.95€, also on amazon.
    How the heck is it so cheap for everyone but the UK? It's about double that price here... and I don't think Amazon price-matches anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    How the heck is it so cheap for everyone but the UK? It's about double that price here... and I don't think Amazon price-matches anymore.
    it'll probably go down. NTAE on CD on amazon uk is only 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    How the heck is it so cheap for everyone but the UK? It's about double that price here... and I don't think Amazon price-matches anymore.
    The CD is 17.20 effing euro on Amazon Spain. Right now it would cost me way less to order it through Amazon Germany, shipping costs included.

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    I'm quite surprised to see this single is getting a negative response/ratings on iTunes.
    Most of them are not even worthy to mention but just surprised to see this level of... disappointment from the casual fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post
    I'm quite surprised to see this single is getting a negative response/ratings on iTunes.
    Most of them are not even worthy to mention but just surprised to see this level of... disappointment from the casual fans.
    There's ratings on Itunes ? But anyway, youtube is good enough to judge that. And the rating is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessLoveless View Post
    The only live drums on "I would for you" are the crash cymbals towards the end, or something way way buried. No way any snare in that song was played live.
    http://www.nin.wiki/I_Would_For_You

    It specifically lists Ilan as playing live drums. If it was just crashes, I'm sure it would have been listed as such. He's also listed as playing toms on "Copy of a" and "Came Back Haunted". My guess is that the drums are just heavily processed to blend with the other electronic drums.

    ...or converted to MIDI as eversonpoe suggested.
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