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    And in other political news, DC is considering lowering the voting at to 16 (yes, in time for the 2020 general). Thoughts?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/523301002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastdisciple View Post
    I really don't buy how Kim Jong Un seems to have turned over a new leaf all of a sudden.
    Every leader of NK has attempted to meet with the President, but the highest they got was Secretary of State Albright. The REASON they want the meeting is they want acceptance as the “leader” (vs. dictator); they’ve been shunned and not accepted as the leader of NK intentionally.

    Kim Jong Un wants the same as what his predecessors wanted: validation and respect and acceptance as being on the same level as the President of the United States; he wants the photo op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Every leader of NK has attempted to meet with the President, but the highest they got was Secretary of State Albright. The REASON they want the meeting is they want acceptance as the “leader” (vs. dictator); they’ve been shunned and not accepted as the leader of NK intentionally.

    Kim Jong Un wants the same as what his predecessors wanted: validation and respect and acceptance as being on the same level as the President of the United States; he wants the photo op.
    That makes sense it's just weird to me with this recent cluster of news, seems like there's also serious hopes of denuclearization and now NK/SK peace talks. A very different state of affairs from a year ago with all those missile tests and the shit-talking between Trump and Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastdisciple View Post
    That makes sense it's just weird to me with this recent cluster of news, seems like there's also serious hopes of denuclearization and now NK/SK peace talks. A very different state of affairs from a year ago with all those missile tests and the shit-talking between Trump and Kim.
    Possible peace talks between NK and SK is a TOTALLY different animal, having absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump and a LOT more to do with (1) the current President of SK being a lot more liberal than prior heads of SK*, and the current head of NK being more interested in modernization than his predecessors**.

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    While the Trump administration is calling for “maximum pressure” on North Korea, South Korea will have a president who has pledged to resume engagement with the North — including reopening an industrial park that the previous administration said was funneling cash to the regime in Pyongyang.
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    According to Pyongyang’s worldview, the United States holds the key to North Korea’s future. Only Washington can provide North Korea with the kind of diplomatic recognition it wants at the international level. Only Washington can decrease the military containment of North Korea. And only Washington can make the decision, ultimately, to end North Korea’s economic isolation.

    Kim Jong Un wants to lessen his country’s dependency on countries in the region. He wants to push through an economic reform – greater reliance on market mechanisms, more investments in technology, even shifting resources from the military to the non-military sectors – that can strengthen the country’s independence and give it greater leverage in dealing with the outside world.
    Yesterday, Trump (during his press op with Abe of Japan) said that his gives his "blessing" to the peace discussions (as if that's necessary, the dickhead) as he's sitting next to Abe, who is within a grenade's throw away from NK and is especially interested in making sure that everything is peaceful and getting back their Japanese citizens kidnapped by NK in the 70s and 80s.

    Ultimately, we need to be "peaceful" with NK, SK, *AND* Japan.

    So, what "changed?" What sparked the NK/SK peace talks?

    Everybody's guess is the Olympics.

    Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Possible peace talks between NK and SK is a TOTALLY different animal, having absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump and a LOT more to do with (1) the current President of SK being a lot more liberal than prior heads of SK*, and the current head of NK being more interested in modernization than his predecessors**.

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    Yesterday, Trump (during his press op with Abe of Japan) said that his gives his "blessing" to the peace discussions (as if that's necessary, the dickhead) as he's sitting next to Abe, who is within a grenade's throw away from NK and is especially interested in making sure that everything is peaceful and getting back their Japanese citizens kidnapped by NK in the 70s and 80s.

    Ultimately, we need to be "peaceful" with NK, SK, *AND* Japan.

    So, what "changed?" What sparked the NK/SK peace talks?

    Everybody's guess is the Olympics.

    Seriously.
    I'll take anything for peaceful relationships with NK....it's a hell of alot better then what been going on.

    That's why I stayed Optimistic about it

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    So instead of Trump going to actual court, he can be dragged through the court of public opinion. Which is good for him because he appears to be winning in that court, whereas actual court would probably be the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    And in other political news, DC is considering lowering the voting at to 16 (yes, in time for the 2020 general). Thoughts?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/523301002/
    I think it's too young, personally.

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    I think itís too young too but I do like that this prospect is scary for the gop.


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    Wait. So if women are to remain this chaste, where does it leave the men? Are we going back to Spartan standards of battle here, or what? That will be awkward for the Republican faithful, I think.

    Edit: I was just reading an article about S2 of Handmaid's Tale and remembered this tweet. Uh...
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    Giuliani says he is joining Trump’s legal team to ‘negotiate an end’ to Mueller probe


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4c7_story.html



    ...

    HA HA HA HA

    /Haz

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    Democratic Party files lawsuit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 campaign

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4c7_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Seaward View Post
    Democratic Party files lawsuit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 campaign

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4c7_story.html
    I hope Sanders is also suing the Democratic Party for conspiring to disrupt his 2016 campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Seaward View Post
    Democratic Party files lawsuit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 campaign

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4c7_story.html
    Maybe it provides the opportunity to pursue things even after Mueller & Rosenstein are fired? *crosses fingers*

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I hope Sanders is also suing the Democratic Party for conspiring to disrupt his 2016 campaign.
    But they didn't. And if they did, the DNC is a private organization that can choose whichever candidate they want. That's not conspiracy, that's just an organization making a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Maybe it provides the opportunity to pursue things even after Mueller & Rosenstein are fired? *crosses fingers*
    Sessions says if Rosenstein is fired, he'd consider resigning. And Sessions is HIGHLY respected in Congress, so Trump firing Rosenstein (leading to losing Sessions) will set off a BOMB in Congress. Also, Trump firing Mueller is likely to create a constitutional crisis.

    The Dem lawsuit is to do THIS: https://twitter.com/olganyc1211/stat...021697025?s=21

    “Strategically smart to force the evidence (that the govt has) to come out

    What's likely to survive the Mueller investigation is the COHEN SDNY investigation.

    Also, they're apparently trying to go after Cohen with several NY STATE laws by passing legislation to remove double jeopardy laws, which would prevent Trump from pardoning him. (Which of course allows them to threaten him enough that he turns on Trump to save himself.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Seaward View Post
    But they didn't. And if they did, the DNC is a private organization that can choose whichever candidate they want. That's not conspiracy, that's just an organization making a decision.
    Exactly. Sanders wasn't even a DEMOCRAT until the year of the election, he became one just to run for President. He had never raised any funds for the DNC, for any other Democratic candidates, etc., and he suddenly wanted a bunch of money and backing from the DNC. They had no obligation to provide that, no more than the RNC had any obligation to provide it to Trump. The DNC is a private organization with private funds from private donors, and their funds and resources go to where their big money donors request that the funds get directed.

    Also, see the indictments against the Russians; the propaganda the Russians were putting out supported Sanders.

    Here's a fake Russian paid Tweet:
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    Spin this any way you like but you really ought to know better by now. The DNC backed the wrong candidate and had plenty of warning signs beforehand. On top of that, they backed Hillary by rigging an already shitty system.

    Bernie Sanders’ brand of Democratic Socialism is something the Democrats needed to embrace (still do) instead of being ineffective centrist duds with little message other than “Uh...we aren’t Trump.” And cool, that might be winning them some seats now and in 6 months, but how long term is it? Sanders was the only candidate that gave a shit about the American people as a whole.

    Edited because I was harsh and this is a much better way of making my point: Look, if we don’t acknowledge and learn from these mistakes made, the game will continue the same as ever, and we will lose in the end.
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    great doc on Netflix called " Trump an American dream", shows what most already know, he's always been a liar cheat and con man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swykk View Post
    Spin this any way you like but you really ought to know better by now. The DNC backed the wrong candidate and had plenty of warning signs beforehand. On top of that, they backed Hillary by rigging an already shitty system.

    Bernie Sanders’ brand of Democratic Socialism is something the Democrats needed to embrace (still do) instead of being ineffective centrist duds with little message other than “Uh...we aren’t Trump.” And cool, that might be winning them some seats now and in 6 months, but how long term is it? Sanders was the only candidate that gave a shit about the American people as a whole.

    Edited because I was harsh and this is a much better way of making my point: Look, if we don’t acknowledge and learn from these mistakes made, the game will continue the same as ever, and we will lose in the end.
    It's possible to be a Bernie fan who agrees with most of this (I am) without thinking the DNC rigged anything. Sanders voters didn't get the fuck out and vote so we got HRC. That seems like one of the easier things to accept from this past election.

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    Bernie had little to no name recognition was not supported by hardly media one of the many reasons the corrupt DNC did no back him one of the huge money scams in politics is campaign dollars most of it goes to obscure relatives to run ad campaigns through tv and other venues. currently reading a book called "secret Empires" which is about proxy corruption. but if you start to look at how much money is spent on campaigns were that money comes from and who's pocket it ends up in. plus if you think about all the free press eyeballs trump received through shear craziness of him even running. compared to a calm old jew who talks about boring progressive ideas like healthcare and collage education for all. the most controversial thing about Bernie was Larry David impersonating him on SNL. people were complacent after eight years of Obama he abandon most of his progressive ideas after he got elected. were were still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guantanamo was was still open and ACA was still struggling. my. personal feeling is he was afraid of fox and still self aware that he was black. the whole birther thing is thinly vieled racism when have every questioned the citizenship of a sitting president? oh that's right once, when that president happened to be black. it's a little framing thing the right does called "the others". if you truly feel you're being oppressed don't look below your station look above it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swykk View Post
    Spin this any way you like but you really ought to know better by now. The DNC backed the wrong candidate and had plenty of warning signs beforehand. On top of that, they backed Hillary by rigging an already shitty system.

    Bernie Sanders’ brand of Democratic Socialism is something the Democrats needed to embrace (still do) instead of being ineffective centrist duds with little message other than “Uh...we aren’t Trump.” And cool, that might be winning them some seats now and in 6 months, but how long term is it? Sanders was the only candidate that gave a shit about the American people as a whole.

    Edited because I was harsh and this is a much better way of making my point: Look, if we don’t acknowledge and learn from these mistakes made, the game will continue the same as ever, and we will lose in the end.
    I respect your opinion but I disagree; Bernie Sanders never appealed to women voters or minority voters or centrist voters (which are the majority of voters) to bring enough people to the polls to win the Primary, let alone the election. The chosen candidate in 2008 was Hillary Clinton, but she was upset by Barack Obama and the DNC switched their chosen candidate because voters forced them to do so and Obama was a bigger force and had a huge wave of minority and women voters behind him. And he beat John McCain (and then again Mitt Romney) by bringing a record number of voters to the voting booths. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Bernie Sanders did that. Both were akin to a John Kerry or an Al Gore. Which wasn't really their fault; nobody else with the charisma of a Barack Obama or a Bill Clinton had thrown their hat into the ring. Remember that the RNC put all of their money and backing behind Jeb Bush; when Romney tried entering the ring, the RNC told him to GTFO, Jeb was their man; but Trump had other plans; so did the voters; the DNC and the RNC don't tell people how to vote, and when a certain candidate is getting a lot of attention, the mainstream media is going to focus a shitload of attention on that candidate, which is what happened to Trump. Trump got free publicity from the mainstream media, and overshadowed all other candidates, including the Democratic candidates.

    I *like* Bernie Sanders, I really do. I've liked Bernie for many many years. But I think Bernie, much like Elizabeth Warren, best serves as a Senator. And, even then, Bernie hadn't been very known for reaching across the aisle; so with a Republican majority, exactly zero would get done.

    And everything that @Louie_Cypher just said.

    As much as it is a pain in the ass having the Cheeto as President, a supermajority is cyclical and typical of our history; the Republican party is having a total meltdown right now, is splintering, and Trump pushed them right over the edge; which had to happen.

    And as much as Hillary Clinton loves blaming James Comey for her losing the election, her own fucking husband getting on Loretta Lynch's private jet had a lot to do with it, as did her own arrogance in having a private email server; both of them are above the law, so they get what they deserve, and she still doesn't get it. Neither does Trump. But this doesn't mean Sanders would have won. Too many people are turned off by (a) the "socialist" label he uses, (b) the progressive ideas that imply that nothing will ever ever ever get done, and (c) the somewhat non-inclusive old-fashioned wealthy Vermont background of his constituency, even if he himself has an old Hippy background. Optics are important. Re-brand it something other than "socialism." Call it Democratic Equality, Democratic Liberty, whatever you want, but Socialism means the stepping stone to Communism to too many people in this country, including millions of immigrants who escaped it.
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    one of the concepts put forth in "secret Empires" is called smash and grab which is crushing a company through legislation when the stock plummets send some one come in to gain controlling shares and walk away with a boatload of money. the Clinton foundation did this a number of times in the energy sector which were a direct result of russain sanctions. i wonder if the same fate is not in store for Facebook, very right wing Sinclair media has huge holdings in Facebook and runs straight up propaganda under the guise of circa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    one of the concepts put forth in "secret Empires" is called smash and grab which is crushing a company through legislation when the stock plummets send some one come in to gain controlling shares and walk away with a boatload of money. the Clinton foundation did this a number of times in the energy sector which were a direct result of russain sanctions. i wonder if the same fate is not in store for Facebook, very right wing Sinclair media has huge holdings in Facebook and runs straight up propaganda under the guise of circa.
    -louie
    Disaster Capitalism.

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    Man, I could watch Dershowitz all day. Watch the clip below from this morning’s “This Week.”

    He is totally correct on this, I’ve been involved in Federal cases, they threaten, they play dirty, they go on “fishing expeditions,” if there’s no good evidence, they’ll invent it, the Federal judges help them, never penalize them for playing dirty, and you’d better pray you are never in their sights.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...act_trump.html

    See also: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._to_cohen.html
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    the thing is... Trump is bragging on Twitter that Cohen won't "flip..."

    Uh, Trump... if you did nothing wrong, there's nothing to flip on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    the thing is... Trump is bragging on Twitter that Cohen won't "flip..."

    Uh, Trump... if you did nothing wrong, there's nothing to flip on.
    Well, yeah, except as Dershowitz pointed out, the Feds can pin you on the tiniest of offenses. Nothing will HAPPEN to Trump, mind you, but I think they're looking for big fish. Not sure what the big fish IS, strangely, I don't think it's Trump. I think it's bigger than Trump.

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    I donít know. Trump has bragged about getting away with things and not paying taxes all his life. Surely, some sort of illegal activity haunts him and thatís why he acts (tweets?) so guiltily. Plus the gop didnít even want him as a candidate and no one wants to be in his cabinet. Who else could they be after? Maybe Ryan? McConnell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    I don’t know. Trump has bragged about getting away with things and not paying taxes all his life. Surely, some sort of illegal activity haunts him and that’s why he acts (tweets?) so guiltily. Plus the gop didn’t even want him as a candidate and no one wants to be in his cabinet. Who else could they be after? Maybe Ryan? McConnell?
    Read this article:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-trump-w518941

    Also this one:

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...nal-indictment


    @Jinsai , remember, Trump isn’t saying he’s done “nothing wrong.” He’s saying “no collusion.” Collusion isn’t even a crime, there isn’t really a statute against collusion; it isn’t even defined. “No collusion!!” is just another diversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    @Jinsai, remember, Trump isn’t saying he’s done “nothing wrong.” He’s saying “no collusion.” Collusion isn’t even a crime, there isn’t really a statute against collusion; it isn’t even defined. “No collusion!!” is just another diversion.
    If the nature of the collusion could be deemed treason, in service of asking foreign powers to collaborate to undermine our electoral process, it's a crime... right? I mean, if anything could be easily termed a crime, that's it right?

    Either way, it doesn't necessarily matter if collusion is the crime he's charged with. It could be the reason for the investigative inquiry, and if they find something else then that doesn't just go away. We only need to go back to Clinton's BJ lie to see that in action. Honestly, if we're talking impeachment, I think it's either going to wind up with the emoluments clause or perjury.

    If they get him to testify under oath Trump will be fucked. He's incapable of telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He's never done it in his life.
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    Collusion in our colloquial sense is referring to,as I understand it, basically a campaign finance violation in accepting aid from a foreign body. That is a crime and it can be described as collusion, in this case.

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