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"He talks like Mussolini but governs like Mr. Bean." –Dana Milbank
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fdc091f9fec0
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This is, like, the craziest shit that has happened in weeks.Originally Posted by allegate
Although I was watching that Bachelor Shit Show last night (and I hate the Bachelor but that was a Shit Show, too) so it was, like, Dueling Shit Show Monday.
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prerequisite to work must have broken the law or involved in corruption international or political preferred https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d4f5b66af3ce
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Gary Cohn is resigning
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Fuck Gary Cohn.
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I heard Kellyanne Conway is in trouble for breaking some law... twice...
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I saw that today too but trump is the person who reprimands her soooooo I’m guessing she’s ok.
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No she isn't. The committee investigating her has submitted their findings to the person responsible for disciplining her.
Donald Trump.
She is in no trouble whatsoever.
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He will spank her with a Forbes magazine.
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Stormy Daniels sues Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...use-he-n854246
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Don't be stupid.
He's the one who likes being spanked with magazines.
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@allegro can I bug you for another legal-related question?
I'm curious about the whole Nunberg thing. Let's say I'm in his position and a grand jury has requested "all contacts" between me and given parties over a certain period. What are the actual logistics behind that? Like...am I exporting my mail to an offline client like Outlook or something and saving a file with all of those messsages? What about texts - it's not like I've saved everything for years; what exactly would I be reasonably expected to provide? And if I'm providing all of this myself and doing so in a "voluntary" manner (meaning you asked ME to provide it to you and left that burden to me), what's to say that I'm not just going to leave out any really damning information? I mean, it strikes me as a glaringly bad idea, but is there really anything stopping someone from doing that and just hoping no one notices?
I think I just always (wrongly) pictured the scenario being more "we require this information, so we're going straight to you ISP / cell provider / etc and taking it". I never pictured someone actually have to sit down and gather up all of this data themselves and wrapping it up in a nice little package. How does that work?
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lord have mercy, i can not stop laughing at this shit
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@theimage13 it’s funny, I was talking to my husband about this yesterday. Discovery like this is HUGE, Numberg was saying “I’m not gonna spend 80 hours putting together my emails” but the reality is that it would probably take WAY longer than that. You have to start with “all mail” filtered through a date and to/from parameter (which isn't really all that hard), then further filter it to meet the specifications of the subpoena, and sometimes it's so complicated you have to hire a data specialist, then you have to work with that specialist, then print it all out for submission to the grand jury. You deliver BOXES of printouts of data. If he’s deleted a lot of mail, he may be required to use data recovery software (although lawyers have to keep nearly everything for several years, long story). Discovery (that's legal-speak for evidence/document production) requires you to provide the info honestly and completely in the same way as if you are under oath and are expected to tell the whole truth. Neglecting to provide all of the info requested can get you into a lot of trouble and, yes, it usually does if you don't; they can eventually request data from an ISP but they start with this route, first, whether criminal or civil. Texts, I dunno, I don't really deal much with that in law other than reading a lot of caselaw related to subpoenas to data providers; again, data specialists can deal with this.
The Clinton server emails, she didn’t even USE a computer most of the time, she used a Blackberry; she was using her server for Government AND private emails, and the subpoena and FOIA can’t ask for personal emails so her team of lawyers had to get data experts to filter out the personal, then her lawyers had to read through all of the remaining data (of, what, 4 years?) to see what was classified, and this took MONTHS.
edit: The reason why Nunberg got drunk and went on a media rampage was because of the HUGE scope of this, which is hilarious because lawyers are really good at dishing this shit out but hate being on the RECEIVING end of this kind of shit, so now i find it HILARIOUS that he's whining about this, even though civil lit paralegals have to deal with sitting in several rooms piled with boxes upon boxes of discovery material, and knowing that they have to comb through all of it and Bates label every fucking bit of it and wish they would have chosen another career and then they all go out and get really drunk. There's a REASON why a lot of law firms have "Thirsty Thursdays" and "Margarita Wednesdays" with booze delivered to the kitchen by the case.
HERE IS THE SUBPOENA.
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think people are starting to understand the game it's say and do whatever you want there is no recourse. i mean look the guy ran a fraudulent university bilked out of at least grand theft money and what happened... nothing. no one ever holds him accountable. the whole fake birth certificate shit.. nothing. at the very least Obama should have sued him for liable. Numberg. basically went on national TV and said F the D.O.J. F the power of sopeana's. and twice said even if you did look at my emails which I'm not going to do but if you did don't look at Nov1st because there's nothing there. the US has to start calling this guy out on his blatant lies. just today. after conducting an exit interview, say's people love working with me? we have to quit enabling him!
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Nunberg doesn't care about Trump, he said he hates Trump several times during his drunken media blitz.
Who Nunberg LOVES: Roger Stone.
He WORSHIPS Roger Stone.
After Nunberg's media blitz, he bragged "I just pulled a Roger Stone!" (although he didn't, really)
Look who's on that Subpoena.
Roger Stone
Nunberg said he spoke/texted with Manafort and Stone several times per day for years.
The grand jury's big fish isn't Nunberg.
Guess who is?
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feel like the point of my post was missed. this can not become the new normal! this amount of lying from this level of government and corruption can't just shrug our collective shoulders and go oh well.it only gets worse. w was a huge lair and look where it got us two wars, a billion dollar bank bailout increased police state. let's look at DACCA. most. "dreamers" don't speak the language of their country of origin. who easier to recruit then a person who's been arrested and shipped off to a place they can't communicate.
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The thing is though that this isn't new at all; it's been normal for a very long time, just kept behind the scenes. Perhaps the single most (and perhaps only) beneficial thing Trump has done with his position is make every little petty partisan pissing contest front page news. Congress has been playing these little kids games with the American people and the Constitution for decades, we just weren't privy to it. Now we are, and with any luck, many of us will be taking advantage of that new knowledge to make some major foundational changes.
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You don't look at someone driving a staggering and blinding wedge into our system at a cost we cannot honestly say we can truly predict, sending our country (and thereby the world) into a roller coaster tail-spin... and then say "well, maybe the silver lining is that in the future we're going to wake up and see the truth."
We have a lot of horrifying historical-hindsight teaching moments already in American history, we don't need another one. The way to actually win this is to point it out now, not after we all learn from the devastating outcome.
I just recently watched Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire again, for the first time since it aired in 2004. It's worth watching again.
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I REALLY thought the whole Sarah Palin fiasco would've woken us up quite a bit. Then it went way worse with Trump in 2016, and that was eight years later. It's going to take alot of people dying off before things get fixed unfortunately...
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my worry is that whatever Mueller finds, Trump's base and the GOP are just going to shrug and say "OK so what?" and without congressional support...how are Trump and co. going to be made to pay for their crimes? I understand that if Dems take house and senate in Nov, the picture changes, but I don't think it's guaranteed they will...
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i think @allegro might be on to something with Roger Stone.
Roger Stone is cold blooded and VERY effective. He is full of dirty tricks and is fucking PROUD of it. He has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
And he may well be pulling some of the strings of the Trump administration. He officially left the Trump campaign in 2015, but after watching Get Me Roger Stone on netflix, i've a feeling that the emphasis might be on the word "officially."
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I don't think they're looking at current transactions, though, I think Roger Stone is history as far as the Trump people are concerned; I think Trump cut Stone loose a while ago; I think even Manafort and Stone have cut ties. But the ties and smoking guns that Mueller are looking at are related to the transition, but also related to money laundering.
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Ah.
I just wonder how long he continued to work in an unofficial capacity. He became an "outside advisor" when he quit the campaign.
I think they've also looked at him re: Russian hacking and wikileaks.
There was something fucking eerie about an interview I saw where he was talking about how he could be more effective from outside the campaign.
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Yeah, he adores Assange. wtf.
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I LOVE Stormy Daniels, AWESOME Rolling Stone interview:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...-needs-w517692
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I've always liked her. She always came across as a decent person who is a lot smarter than people would often perceive about porn stars. There's porn stars that have PhDs in physics or some shit.
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I am definitely curious to hear what she'll have to say during her 60 minutes interview.
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