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    I wouldn't say i've given up (take any post i make as a slightly pessimistic/dark humor kind of way) but yeah the situation is very worrying, especially given how the current "leaders" are just having a very public dick measuring contest (i use the term "leaders" loosely here as they are anything but)

    ...still it's all pretty grim.

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    Oh shit. Here we go. The Pentagon is calling for a ground invasion. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/g...rsenal-n817651

    Edit: I misunderstood the article. The Pentagon isn't CALLING for a ground invasion. Rather, they are saying that a ground invasion would be the only way to completely wipe out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.
    They made this grim assessment in response to Democratic senators asking about potential casualties in a theoretical conflict between the U.S. and North Korea.
    Last edited by elevenism; 11-05-2017 at 04:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryalex12 View Post
    I heard about this and.... I don't think it's a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    I heard about this and.... I don't think it's a good idea.
    Are you high? Are you just never happy? This great progress for Korea, they talking, working this out...and you dont want that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryalex12 View Post
    Are you high? Are you just never happy? This great progress for Korea, they talking, working this out...and you dont want that?
    This is from North Korea that wants the reunification. We all know that they'll use South Korea and go completely ape shit. Plus, it might lead into total chaos and maybe Korean War II.

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    @thevoid99 has a point. North Korea has wanted "reunification" ever since the Korean War concluded, because they still feel that South Korea is a bunch of rebels who need brought to heel and controlled. I for one would be EXTREMELY skeptical of any reunification plan proposed by North Korea.

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    Well with pessimists like this, we are never gonna move forward, we didn't solve shit by having no hope, that fact they are willing, be it for good or bad, is still a step forward. Honestly, you people need a little bit of optimism

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    We're not talking about this? I mean, it's still very much in an "I'll believe it when I see it" state for me, but this seems like the kind of thing that kids might be reading about in high school history textbooks some day.

    Full text of the Panmunjeom Declaration

    Here's how it starts off:

    During this momentous period of historical transformation on the Korean Peninsula, reflecting the enduring aspiration of the Korean people for peace, prosperity and unification, President Moon Jae-in of the Republic of Korea and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea held an Inter-Korean Summit Meeting at the ‘Peace House’ at Panmunjeom on April 27, 2018.

    The two leaders solemnly declared before the 80 million Korean people and the whole world that there will be no more war on the Korean Peninsula and thus a new era of peace has begun.

    The two leaders, sharing the firm commitment to bring a swift end to the Cold War relic of longstanding division and confrontation, to boldly approach a new era of national reconciliation, peace and prosperity, and to improve and cultivate inter-Korean relations in a more active manner, declared at this historic site of Panmunjeom as follows:

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    I saw it this morning....it seems so out of the blue to me.

    Such a short period of time ago Trump was threatening to blow up North Korea, and North Korea was threatening to launch nukes at the mainland US, and now suddenly they're going to dismantle their nuclear program?

    It's great if it's real, but it seems very out of the blue.

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    It's interesting to note that South Korea's leadership credited Trump with bringing everyone to the table to begin with. And about a week ago, when Trump said that NK was willing to completely denuclearize, nearly every major media outlet said he was exaggerating at best and flat out lying at worst. yet, here we are. It's crazy to think that the one thing Trump got right is preventing a potential nuclear war.

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    Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo View Post
    Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?
    NBC has an opinion piece you might like.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ald-ncna868831

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo View Post
    Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?
    I don't know about that, there was always potential, but I do think Obama's mostly hands-off/let the sanctions do the work strategy was pretty much going nowhere.

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    My own thoughts:

    The timing if this is likely the result of a few things.
    1) Trump's public "we'll nuke you into the stone ages" rhetoric (vs there just being public statements saying that military options are on the table)
    2) Trump's willingness to acknowledge Un at all gives him more credibility as a leader; something he desperately craves. No one else was willing to treat him as such.
    3) Knowing that they have the knowledge to make nukes means they're happier to act nicer now...because once you have the knowledge, you can always go back and get it done again later.
    4) The Olympics (yes, really)
    5) Their primary nuclear test site may be on the brink of collapsing and spewing radiation over the peninsula. (Several experts say this is definitely the status of the site, but at least one has claimed otherwise.)

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    Christ on toast, I didn't even know about the Trump tweet. What a moron.

    Washington Post, as always, providing a good analysis of the events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    NBC has an opinion piece you might like.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ald-ncna868831
    Oh, FFS.

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    This whole Korea complete sudden capitulation by Kim Jong Un just seems so weird to me, almost scripted

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    This whole Korea complete sudden capitulation by Kim Jong Un just seems so weird to me, almost scripted
    yeah dude! My sentiments exactly!

    It's like "Hey everyone, we were just fucking with you guys! Hahaha! It was pretty funny, right?
    So everything is ok now."

    I don't trust it AT ALL. Kim Jong Il did something similar in the 90s, if I'm not mistaken, and also signed denuclearization treaties with the US in the 2000's and it was all horse shit.

    I hate to be so cynical, but I have a feeling that what Kim REALLY wants here is a united, anti America Korea.

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    That would not serve him. His country is broke, financially isolated. It’s reportedly been his goal all along to develop a good trade relationship with the U.S., because he HAS TO in order to pull his country out of poverty. China hasn’t been helping him in this regard

    Edit: NOTE: Ultimately, though, a final Armistice Agreement MUST include China, it’s required (SK, NK, US, China).
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    South Korea's new president, Moon Jae-in, is a progressive whose campaign largely emphasized making peace with North Korea. He has much more to do with this than Trump does -- a fact that, unfortunately, is going to be completely lost among most of the United States (including those even opposed to Trump).

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    Moon Jae-in is crediting Trump publicly, though, so that doesn’t help, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Moon Jae-in is crediting Trump publicly, though, so that doesn’t help, lol.
    On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.

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    I can't fathom the idea of Cheeto-head being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. If that happens, that's when you know the Nobel Prize has jumped the shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathant View Post
    On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.
    You know, I tried to come up with a simple way to possibly argue this to not be the case and came up pretty short. When it comes to the real-world concerns of South Korea, it works out diplomatically to give Trump a "win" here.

    Which is SO fucked up and frustrating, but whatever at this point I guess.

    Though @thevoid99 I wouldn't be too worried about him getting a Nobel Peace Prize any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathant View Post
    On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.
    I meant it doesn’t “help” that people don’t want to credit Trump. I’m sure that Moon actually believes it to be true, it ain’t just lip service.

    CNN was crediting Kim’s sister, and she probably has something to do with it, too; it’s probably a number of things; but, as difficult as it is to admit, Kim allegedly admires guys like Trump, and Trump reached out for a meeting.

    @Jinsai , if Trump can negotiate a way to keep U.S. troops in SK, get NK to denuclearize and open itself for inspection, get China and everyone to agree to a peace agreement (and possibly get Kim to return the Japanese people in NK to Japan), and all of this wouldn’t jeopardize our relationship with Japan, then he’d DESERVE the Nobel. But it ain’t likely to happen. As was pointed out on Meet the Press this morning, Kim’s grandfather snookered Clinton, Kim’s father snookered George W Bush, and there’s no reason to believe this Kim won’t do the same to Trump. Kim has starved thousands of his own people, killed his own family members, and recently murdered an American citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    I can't fathom the idea of Cheeto-head being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. If that happens, that's when you know the Nobel Prize has jumped the shark.
    The nihilist in me wants this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantra View Post
    The nihilist in me wants this to happen.
    That's just wrong Thanos.

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