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Thread: Star Wars: Kylo Ren's dad, aka Han Solo movie

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    Amen. While Rian fucking us with TLJ was an extremely sour pill to swallow, and something that definitely shifted power away from the so called main trilogy, it is where Disney's light approach towards the quantity of SW products comes in handy. Getting SW stuff yearly means we are bound to see some awesome movies/series in the future. Is it sad it's not going to be the main trilogy? Sure, but at this point you either accept it, or you can just keep bashing your head to the wall.

    So far every movie has been very safe, but imo Rogue One had some promising things going on. All we need now is for Disney to hire an actual, ballsy director, and give them a plot where nothing from the core universe (Luke, Vader, etc.) is at stake, so he/she can go crazy with it. As much as I'm happy that there will be a new Obi-Wan movie, I want Disney to introduce new faces, new heroes, new villains. Kylo and Rey - while I love them, despite what went down in TLJ - are not fulfilling the emptiness that was left behind. They are interesting, they are cool, but they are never going to be the next Vader, Luke, Han, etc.

    Oh, and unpopular opinion: don't make a Boba Fett movie.....

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    I don't think I'd want a Boba Fett movie either. So many more interesting stories to be told. But if he's not in Solo, it will be a bit of a dumb move. Like why would you not utilize that character at some point given the obvious history with Han? He's never been a fleshed out character, and is probably better like that. Small doses, with a few bad ass sequences. Would be a Solo cameo people would lose their shit over and bring a ton of good energy to the film, but not drastically effect the quality of the story for shoe horned in fan service.

    I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a "bounty hunter" film though. A 20 minute segment for each where 4-Lom, Dengar, Zuckuss, Fett, Bossk and IG88 all get their time in the sun and fleshed out a bit, maybe even leading up the moment on the bridge in Empire. I don't need it but I could see that working, especially if you tied Jabba into the mix somehow, maybe other popular characters like Cad Bane too.

    I too thought some of the best parts of TLJ were the Kylo/Rey interactions. I just wish they would have been more cemented in the actual lore of the jedi and the sith, with both of them really learning more from each other. Rey being on that island, going into that cave - she literally learns nothing about her journey as a Jedi outside of the few lines Luke tries to impart. There was so much more room for expansion there. You can have these new complex characters move the universe forward, but don't change the entire universe! The foundation is already there and cannot be changed - it's not for you to create but for you to play within.

    So yeah I think anyone with a brain is all for creating new interesting characters and not relying on pure lazy fan service - but it needs to grow from somewhere established. There have been thousands if not millions of seeds planted previously. Don't ignore them and then say well my seeds are better, and on top of that I'm not even going to take the time to water them and let them grow just accept them for what they are RIGHT NOW. It's an organic process that takes nothing but patience and cannot be rushed.

    A Lando spinoff would be a perfect example of this. It wasn't necessarily planned, but if he nails the character and the fan support is there for it - you find a way to tell that story because it makes sense. You still have a over arching plan, but with some wiggle room allowed for things to take fun off roading.

    As you mentioned Rogue One is a great example of not being entirely safe too - killing off the entire main cast was risky. It paid off quite well.

    I would say the bigger issue here is not Kathleen Kennedy or the story group's or Disney's involvement or perceived SJW agenda on each project. It's actually the lack of it.

    We have no Kevin Fiege. No legit plan or map of direction. They are just hiring the best talent they can find and letting them do their own thing which on one hand is actually amazing, but it does need to be held in check at least a little bit. Otherwise you get none of the benefits from a shared cinematic universe and all of the frustration. Which is likely why a lot of these films have all been in post production hell, with reshoots etc. The whole thing has become TOO big and nobody is being held accountable outside of a very vague contributory "story group" who has no leader, with various agenda's, roles, and levels of involvement. There should be someone in charge of the Films, the comics, the novels, the toys - and we should very clearly know who all of these people are and who is holding them accountable.

    Like how was it even possible that it was Rian's decision to kill Luke? How was there not a decision made even before 7 was in pre-production, as to how Luke's story arc would progress/end? I can't fathom how that was even possible. For the main sequel trilogy, everyone knows and is on board with the main beats from day 1, and the creative comes in how you get there and the in betweens. For the really experimental stuff, you have the stand alone stories (This where for example; an Edgar Wright Ant-Man style film maybe could have worked, since you have a shared universe in Star Wars but it doesn't always need to connect in the same way the MCU does because those stories are not building to giantic team up movies).

    Ultimately I don't think you can point to one person who is guiding this ship right now - so why not anoint someone? KK might be the business fascade but she is far from an expert on Star Wars history and lore. Make someone the Kevin Fiege of the SWCU. You can see the benefits from doing so literally across their cublicles - what would the downside be? Dave Filoni should be doing much more important work than simply working on the new Resistance kids show, but there are plenty of legit candidates who would love to be the new "George Lucas" if you will.

    For a sports analogy, if you want to compare this to hiring a new GM and understanding their direction - bring someone in for a 5 maybe 10 year run. If they start tanking, you look in a new direction. If they Kevin Fiege it, you re-up them for another term and keep the party going if they want to. Over the next few decades, it would be an amazing thing to look back and compare various SW visionaries stories from each era.

    This is a critical role in these major franchises, moreso than any director you might hire on one project, and it needs to be recognized by Star Wars as soon as possible.

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    People want a Boba Fett movie, because he's cool. I mean, he kinda is. But he has no personality and nothing interesting about him whatsoever. As soon as he'd be anything else than a silent, cool looking assassin, the immersion would be ruined.

    I'm not blaming KK for not stopping Rian, because where do you draw the line then? No, I blame her for choosing him and for the obvious lack of communication between Rian and J.J.

    SJW pressure definitely influenced the SW saga (as well as almost everything else), but I don't think it affected the quality of the movies negatively. I.e. Rose is not the worst character in the SW universe ever, because she holds SJW values. No, she's garbage because she is badly and lazily written. You have to have some audacity that you dare to slug off so hard when writing a sequel trilogy for SW. Absolutely no respect, just plain vanity. And to be fair, he got what he wanted. For all the wrong reasons, Rian became (in)famous, and even 50 years from now, people will talk about TLJ. You can't call him stupid, that's for sure.

    The reshoots with R1 and Solo gives you kind of an amateurish vibe. You can't call it coincidence when both of the standalone SW movies have gone through some kind of ordeal already. I don't even have any expectations about the pacing not being off, because it's kind of a given now.

    Anyhow, the best thing about Solo that I didn't have to count back the days frantically. It's just kinda already is. You know, a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

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    Interesting behind the scenes look at the drama behind changing directors.

    https://screenrant.com/solo-star-war...roblems-truth/

    Howard nearly re-shot the entire movie.

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    While Guardians is a great movie, making a Star Wars film like Guardians of the Galaxy is similar to making an Indiana Jones movie inspired by National Treasure, or a James Bond movie inspired by Kingsmen: The Secret Service.

    Says who??!! If (canon) Star Wars can be made into a kids show (nothing wrong with it imo, just sayin'), then why couldn't a standalone SW movie have a different take on the universe? Why couldn't one SW movie be all serious and bloody, while another one more laidback and comic relief-y? Yes, the next paragraph sheds some more light onto this, but this quote is some extreme bullshit.

    Anyway, as I said in my previous post: what the hell is up with directors getting a shot at making a prestigious SW movie, then trolling all over it for their own fame? Why can't they make proper SW movies, and then use their well-earned credibility to write and direct whatever weird ass movie they want? Blows my mind.

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