Trump 2017: Year Zero

[Louie_Cypher]

You're preaching to the choir. I think those of us posting here understand that. Browsing Facebook would certainly lead you to think otherwise though.

again huge word, little leagle. basis. treason. on the other hand is definide, adding or bedding, an enemy, of the us government, yes the US want's a Mulligan. ain't how it works kids. welcome, to the sausage factory I think the founders made it very complex on propose,
very into the writings of them all
look at where they were moving from toward and the time they lived in I'm gonna say good job. boy's if I every had an idea that was worth more that a minute i would be ok with that
-Louie





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[Jinsai]

The Senate has to find him guilty of the crimes for which he was impeached (by the House), then he'd go to prison; or, the House can impeach him but then the Senate could find him not guilty and go on with their day and everything goes back to normal (Clinton); or, he could resign after he was impeached but before the Senate trial and then he could get pardoned by the successor President (Nixon).

The impeachment talks are just a lot of hot air.

I don't know about hot air, but if there's some damning shit on the table here, the American people will SCREAM bloody murder if he's pardoned.

I've asked some of my politically active elders about their relative experience during the Nixon debacle, and they are all "glad he was pardoned, and it was ushered away." None of them said they felt "betrayed" by Nixon at the time, and they really didn't hold him ill will.

This is different.

[aggroculture]

Yeah well Bush and Cheney stole an election, committed war crimes and started a war under false pretenses, lied about weapons of mass destruction, caused the deaths of thousands of US troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis...and now Dubya's hanging out with Bono. This can go two ways in my mind: the Nixon way, impeachment/resignation and shame, or the Reagan way, where you have an assclown actor in the White House that people at the time are like "satire has overtaken reality", and decades later he's a hero to the right with airports and highways named after him, a very model of stateliness and sobriety. My money's on the Reagan way. Dubya's on that path, and Trump will muddle through somehow too.

[allegro]

Trump vows to enact an immigration law that's already been in effect for more than 20 years:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ted-since-1996

[allegate]

After the Georgia thing, I say just let them have the government they obviously want. They care more about guns and abortions than anything else, so the Dems should just walk away from these things. Save the money for something else, like a hand basket to live in while the world goes to hell.

[Art Vandelay]

Trump tweets like a seven year old little girl with bladder control issues.

[Patrick_Nicholas]

Trump now claims he doesn't have recordings of his conversation with Comey. So, uh, why did he suggest that he did after firing Comey? Seems he thinks he can just make shit up to scare people from speaking out against him.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/22/trump-d...ns-with-comey/

[allegro]

After the Georgia thing, I say just let them have the government they obviously want. They care more about guns and abortions than anything else, so the Dems should just walk away from these things. Save the money for something else, like a hand basket to live in while the world goes to hell.

I really agree with what Michael Bloomberg says about the Georgia special election, here, beginning at 02:58

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video...ffice-48186367

[allegate]

I agree with him to an extent, but then I look at the president and the people who voted for him and support him.

[allegro]

I agree with him to an extent, but then I look at the president and the people who voted for him and support him.

But when we vote for Representatives, we really are primarily worrying about local issues; not about the President.

I voted for a Republican U.S. Representative three times when Mark Kirk represented our District in the House, and I'm a socialist. But Kirk constantly went to bat for our district and was a HUGE advocate for protecting the Great Lakes.

[ziltoid]

Finally proof: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vladimir...-trump-report/

[thevoid99]

Finally proof: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vladimir...-trump-report/

Does this mean the beginning of Russian-gate is happening right now?

[theimage13]

Finally proof: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vladimir...-trump-report/

Whoop-dee-do?

I mean, what would this actually mean? Obviously it means we need to step up cyber security and teach people how to use their damn brains when it comes to choosing a candidate, but those are things we knew regardless of whether there was any smoking gun involving Russian meddling.

But as far as the current presidency goes - this is supposedly proof that Russia did something, but that doesn't mean the President (or anyone in the US) directed them to do something. Soooooo.....what does that actually mean? They're not going to call a special election or something.

[allegro]

Whoop-dee-do?

I mean, what would this actually mean? Obviously it means we need to step up cyber security and teach people how to use their damn brains when it comes to choosing a candidate, but those are things we knew regardless of whether there was any smoking gun involving Russian meddling.

But as far as the current presidency goes - this is supposedly proof that Russia did something, but that doesn't mean the President (or anyone in the US) directed them to do something. Soooooo.....what does that actually mean? They're not going to call a special election or something.

What is really bothersome about all of this is that (a) Russia tried to tamper with our election (bad), (b) there appears to be evidence that Putin gave the directive to do this tampering, (c) this means we need to take this very seriously and try to beef up security, (d) the Dept of Homeland Security tried to get states to beef up security and offered help, but the states said fuck off, and worst of all, Trump thinks this is all a hoax. Okay, maybe Trump doesn't want to know anything that might compromise his win, but this is also a matter or national security related to Russia; instead of the Trump administration slapping Russia and increasing sanctions, the Trump administration is moving to return seized properties to Russia.

[theimage13]

What is really bothersome about all of this is that...Trump thinks this is all a hoax. Okay, maybe Trump doesn't want to know anything that might compromise his win, but this is also a matter or national security related to Russia

This is the angle I hadn't been thinking of. All the other points seem like old news at this point (at least, to me), but I hadn't quite thought about the fact that POTUS appears to be ignoring election tampering on account of anything from narcissism to malicious collusion. "Proof that our entire election process has been compromised? Don't do anything about it, because it might mean bad things for me and my businesses." *shudder* That's a scenario that does disturb me even more than this whole nightmare already does.

[Louie_Cypher]

This is the angle I hadn't been thinking of. All the other points seem like old news at this point (at least, to me), but I hadn't quite thought about the fact that POTUS appears to be ignoring election tampering on account of anything from narcissism to malicious collusion. "Proof that our entire election process has been compromised? Don't do anything about it, because it might mean bad things for me and my businesses." *shudder* That's a scenario that does disturb me even more than this whole nightmare already does.

the important thing to remember is if they get away with it this time who's to say they stop. advancing to all western democracies midterms? till every elected official is some way indebted or influenced by Russia,this is the new cold war, and were losing, badly,
-Louie

[allegro]

This is the angle I hadn't been thinking of. All the other points seem like old news at this point (at least, to me), but I hadn't quite thought about the fact that POTUS appears to be ignoring election tampering on account of anything from narcissism to malicious collusion. "Proof that our entire election process has been compromised? Don't do anything about it, because it might mean bad things for me and my businesses."

Well, yeah, and again, worse yet: WHAT ABOUT THIS? I mean, really, WHAT THE FUCK?

The Trump administration is moving toward handing back to Russia two diplomatic compounds, near New York City and on Maryland’s Eastern Shore, that its officials were ejected from in late December as punishment for Moscow’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.

President Barack Obama said Dec. 29 that the compounds were being “used by Russian personnel for intelligence-related purposes” and gave Russia 24 hours to vacate them. Separately, Obama expelled from the United States what he said were 35 Russian “intelligence operatives.”

In early May, the Trump administration told the Russians that it would consider turning the properties back over to them if Moscow would lift its freeze, imposed in 2014 in retaliation for U.S. sanctions related to Ukraine, on construction of a new U.S. consulate on a certain parcel of land in St. Petersburg.

Two days later, the U.S. position changed. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak at a meeting in Washington that the United States had dropped any linkage between the compounds and the consulate, according to several people with knowledge of the exchanges.

And, again, reiterating former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson's sworn statement:

On August 3, 2016, in an on-the-record session with reporters, I publicly floated the idea of designating election infrastructure in this country as critical infrastructure.

Twelve days later, on August 15, I convened a conference call with secretaries of state and other chief election officials of every state in the country. I told state officials that we must ensure the security and resilience of election infrastructure, and offered DHS’s assistance to the states in doing that. I also reiterated the idea of designating election infrastructure as critical infrastructure.

To my disappointment, the reaction to a critical infrastructure designation, at least from those who spoke up, ranged from neutral to negative. Those who expressed negative views stated that running elections in this country was the sovereign and exclusive responsibility of the states, and they did not want federal intrusion, a federal takeover, or federal regulation of that process. This was a profound misunderstanding of what a critical infrastructure designation would mean, which I tried to clarify for them.

CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

Not only did the states ignore these warnings, so did/is Trump and his entire administration. Why? Another country, against which we have sanctions, tried to mess with our Democratic process, the cornerstone of our republic. Why brush that off? Like you said: Ego? Narcissism? COLLUSION???

Also from Johnson, equally disturbing:

Johnson, who said the Democratic Party rebuffed offers of help from DHS after being breached, testified that it was obvious things could have been done differently. “With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps I should have camped out at the front door of the headquarters of DNC,” he said. “None of us knew how this was going to come out.”

Johnson added, “Cyberattacks of all manner and from multiple sources are going to get worse before they get better.”

Oh, yeah, and regarding the Russian compounds?

THIS JUST IN, TODAY

[theimage13]

Now that the president has clarified that he does believe Russia interfered with the election - but it's all Obama's fault - I can sleep easier. Thank god he's out of office now. Our voting process can finally be made great again! What a relief. I'm going to sleep easier this weekend.

[theimage13]

And in other potentially disastrous news...

(Yeah, I know...."sources close to" and "considering" and all that jazz. Still not something I want to even think about being a possibility.)

[Louie_Cypher]

trying to imagine if any of this had happened under Obama fox would have hour long special's demanding Obama, be dragged from the white house and hung in the rose garden
-Louie

[Art Vandelay]

trying to imagine if any of this had happened under Obama fox would have hour long special's demanding Obama, be dragged from the white house and hung in the rose garden
-Louie

Very true, and I am fucking sick of Trump supporters not holding that meglamaniac accountable for his lies, and how he is fucking over his core supporters. I have never seen such a fucked up president do so much illegal shit and everybody just looks the other way. However if Obama, or Hilary did any of this shit FOX NEWS would be in meltdown mode. Redneck talk radio would be going bonkers with conspiracy theories.

I AM NOT GOING TO LET THE DEMOCRATS OFF THE HOOK!!!! either, everyday I get emails from them to donate money. This last election was a clusterfuck. I don't care what anybody says Bernie should have been running for president. Hilary picked the weakest fucking running mate in Tim Kaine when she should have picked Elizabeth Warren. Then they lose this fucking run off election in Georgia last week. The democrats need to get their shit together, they have no direction and really nobody leading the party. When Trump lies they need to call his shit on it and call "bullshit" and scream up and down until everybody is sick of listening to them. They need to fight back hard with Trump and call him on everything because Trump will never accept the blame for anything. In 2020 he is still going to be talking about Hilary and Obama and trying to blame his fuck ups on them and the idiot republicans will just follow along and tow the line with Trump.

The democrats have already got my vote on everything across the board in 2018 and in 2020, but if they want my money they need to start showing me some fucking direction and start standing up to Trump and the republicans and calling them on their bullshit!

[ninlive]

The democrats have already got my vote on everything across the board in 2018 and in 2020, but if they want my money they need to start showing me some fucking direction and start standing up to Trump and the republicans and calling them on their bullshit!

+1 Bingo. I felt that the dem party had no sense of direction in leadership in the past election.

What I don't understand is how I feel no one is calling Trump out on his bullshit? How do you go for a whole month stating you have tapes with Comey and then retract that statement and say you never did. Just add that to the pile of reasons why the guy is a total farce and he shouldn't be running this country. This isn't a reality TV show. How can the GOP think this was their best candidate?

[Louie_Cypher]

modern dem's have the spines of jellyfish, and cater too much It wasn't that Obama was progressive he wasn't progressive enough
-Louie

[allegro]

My Twitter feed is FULL of Democrats calling Trump out on every single thing he does. It's why Trump is calling the Democrats "obstructionists."

The Democrats spent nearly $30 million on Ossoff in the Georgia special election.

The biggest problem with states like Georgia is GERRYMANDERING. And, blaming Nancy Pelosi for everything but the plague (Republicans HATE her).


Here are Bill Clinton campaign ads from 1992. Sound familiar?

[allegro]

Meanwhile, THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS AND AWESOME!!!


And the comments on this Trump tweet are HILARIOUS!!! Trump actually comments in the comments, which means the idiot is READING THE COMMENTS!!!!

[allegro]

modern dem's have the spines of jellyfish, and cater too much It wasn't that Obama was progressive he wasn't progressive enough
-Louie

Most Dem voters aren't as progressive as people think. The Dem's sharp swing to the left, initiated by Sanders, is partly why the Republicans showed up at the polls en masse.

"Socialism"

"Gun Control"

"Abortion Rights"

"Gay Marriage"

All of that means more to Republican voters than Republicans taking away health care and letting disabled and old people die.

[Louie_Cypher]

i think I would rather have actual equality for all economic well being and actual freedom, and refuse to play into the right's Orwellian word speak with things like freedom, patriot,pulling one self up by your bootstraps and other bullshit you can make damn well sure once they make it they will double deadbolt that door, so no one else get's in, only they are worthy and choosen by god to have only the best
-Louie

[Deepvoid]

And in other potentially disastrous news...

(Yeah, I know...."sources close to" and "considering" and all that jazz. Still not something I want to even think about being a possibility.)

Can you imagine if both Kennedy and Ginsburg retire during Trump's mandate? Geez...

[allegro]

Omg

Wtf

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/33...witch=standard

[theimage13]

Omg

Wtf

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/33...witch=standard

I just can't even...

I don't consider this an insult. We have a man-child in the Oval. He literally behaves like a spoiled toddler (and his writing is on par with a second or third grader). I desperately wish I could move north but it would mean abandoning my better half, and I haven't gotten that desperate.....yet.