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    Can we please just ignore the Australian advising us about American shit and MOVE ON before the Admins lock this fucking thread? Who gives a shit what "cuck" means? Or who's allegedly upset with white males? It's stupid, let's move on? Jesus Christ. It doesn't take much prompting to get you guys all worked up. (Eye roll)

    Anyway...

    Sanders ripped Betsy DeVos a new one re her latest proposal:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...witch=standard

    DeVos, meanwhile, says that while the law had good intentions, it is "not enough" to solve the problem (of campus sexual assaults).

    So, there's no replacement? I'm confused.
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    It's Betsy Davos... there's no reason to be confused. We're living in bizarr-o world, where everything is a dog whistle. Now the Trump administration is trying to second-hand pardon the sons of rich rapists, or at least make it easier to do so. We need those votes!

    As his rational support margin wanes, what depths will this go to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Can we please just ignore the Australian advising us about American shit and MOVE ON before the Admins lock this fucking thread? Who gives a shit what "cuck" means? Or who's allegedly upset with white males? It's stupid, let's move on? Jesus Christ. It doesn't take much prompting to get you guys all worked up. (Eye roll)

    Anyway...

    Sanders ripped Betsy DeVos a new one re her latest proposal:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...witch=standard

    DeVos, meanwhile, says that while the law had good intentions, it is "not enough" to solve the problem (of campus sexual assaults).

    So, there's no replacement? I'm confused.
    After all the times the Republicans have tried to repeal Obamacare without a replacement, you're confused? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    After all the times the Republicans have tried to repeal Obamacare without a replacement, you're confused? :P
    But no they DID have replacements. They were shitty ones that nobody liked, but they at least HAD proposed replacements.

    DeVos is just saying "this isn't enough, yank" and that's that.

    Congress did not repeal the ACA with no replacement; it is still standing.

    I'm genuinely confused about her strategy; saying "well, what do you expect?" isn't a discussion, it's dismissive and, to me, it doesn't make any expectations about her responsibilities.

    Re pardons: Prior Presidents have pardoned or commuted the sentences of friends, etc.

    Bill Clinton's Marc Rich comes to mind (that was baffling):
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-cl...sis-story.html
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    Olay so there IS a strategy (ugh it's HuffPo but it has the most info in one place, ignore the interpretation):

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...b0dfaafcf5dfeb

    During her 20-minute speech, DeVos called the current campus reporting process a “failed system” that is “increasingly elaborate and confusing.”

    DeVos also announced two new approaches to the campus sexual violence reporting process that the Department of Education is exploring. The first is that the Department “will launch a transparent notice and comment process to incorporate the insights of all parties,” including feedback from the public and educational institutions.

    “No one benefits from a system that does not have the public’s trust,” DeVos said, referring to the current Title IX system.

    The second approach DeVos announced on Thursday is that the department will implement a regional reporting center model. The model would allow universities and colleges to opt in to local reporting centers that would partner with state attorneys general and law enforcement to ensure the reporting process runs fairly.

    The Secretary of Education repeatedly discussed the rights of not only survivors of sexual assault, but also those who have been “wrongly accused” of sexual misconduct.

    She allotted most of her speech to anecdotes about how the current Title IX system has failed survivors and those wrongly accused.

    “One rape is one too many, one assault is one too many, one aggressive act of harassment is one too many, one person denied due process is one too many,” DeVos told the crowd at George Mason. “This conversation may be uncomfortable, but we must have it. It is our moral obligation to get it right.”
    As much as it pains me to say this, she's right about the current system being insufficient for the victims and the accused. There is currently no due process for the accused in many of these institutions; if you're accused, a few people on a college board determine your fate, without any criminal investigation or forensics. The system has to be fair and implemented properly or it fails everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmya View Post
    That's part of it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying this is who the alt-right are resisting. They see an overweight, balding hipster holding a cat (possibly Jinsai) frothing about maths being racist/sexist and they call him a cuck. They see any male crying about white male privilege and they call him a cuck.

    Are we happy? Getting labelled a cuck is not about someone voting for a chick.

    P.S. That is just the first page of the "top" responses. By all means, go do the search yourself and click "latest". All sorts. The term gets mentioned very often.
    Alright, you're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Is it photo comparison time you fucking dick? I'm not fat or balding, and I don't own a cat!

    Though I don't see it would be a problem if I did... Nice way to take the argument to the next intellectually prosperous point though. You are the worst troll ever. Can we just ban this fuck already?
    name calling does not win a debate only proves you don't have an intelligent counter
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    Well that was fun

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    There's no question, of course, that many women have falsely accused men of rape. We know that.

    Rolling back this protection is not an earnest effort to "solve" that though. It's exactly what it looks like.

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    had a very long in-depth discussion with someone who knows a lot about titles ix last night pro's and con's to much to type and try to explain without looking the fool so I'll leave it at that
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Welp. Pretty sure we are going to need to dedicate a thread to the 9/12 dumpster fire that is Hillary's book. There is too much insane shit to cover in a short period, plus it's almost certainly going to be prolonged into damaging the midterms.

    I can't believe she is so self centered that she lays blame on Bernie for her loss ... completely ignoring the fact that she sabotaged his chances and he still backed her.
    There's already a literature thread. Feel free to post there. She has nothing to do with the current administration, so I don't see why it would be a topic of discussion here.

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    Yes, people who skew right are really hoping Clinton's book maintains a divide between Bernie supporters and the DNC, and they're sure it's going to totally effect the mid terms into republican favor.

    Meanwhile, idgaf, I've got better things to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    News. Politics. Headlines. Plenty of current political players and methods. It's totally going in this subforum.
    This thread is literally about the current White House administration. Still don't see why a book about Clinton is even being discussed here. The election had a thread. The election is over. This is about the present and future.

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    i believe they will run her again or hillary light Nancy will is why I no longer will donate to the Dem party my vote yes my money no
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Welp. Pretty sure we are going to need to dedicate a thread to the 9/12 dumpster fire that is Hillary's book. There is too much insane shit to cover in a short period, plus it's almost certainly going to be prolonged into damaging the midterms.

    I can't believe she is so self centered that she lays blame on Bernie for her loss ... completely ignoring the fact that she sabotaged his chances and he still backed her.
    I mostly agree. It's sad that she's essentially learned nothing but it isn't surprising, really. I don't think it's worth an entire thread, though. She and her toadies in the DNC fucked over the guy that possibly (we will never know for sure) could've defeated Trump but was MOS DEF the better candidate. It's as if she's ignoring the part where they got caught although before it officially came out, who DIDN'T know that's what was happening?!! Just look at the BS superdelegate nonsense but I commented on all of this pages upon pages ago.

    She wasn't the right person but I voted for her because she was better than Trump. I feel no differently now with her sour grapes book than I did before.

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    I have a lot of people who were Hillary supporters on my FB feed man... I haven't seen that.

    NOBODY's talking about her now. She's done. She will never run again. Her future relevance is pretty much "well, she'll be around, in some political capacity." Republicans aren't worried about her challenging them for the White House again. The only ones who are seem to be the rabid tea party types, and the chances that they'd ever consider jumping ship are about as likely as I am to vote for Trump in 2020.

    Those people are still obsessed with her emails, and even now, with the the sun setting on her career, desperately want to see her "locked up." There's something going on there, but Clinton's book isn't going to change a single fucking aspect of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    It's basically the points I made yesterday with a coating of "and if you disagree then you are just a misogynist trying to tell women to be quiet"

    THE SILENCING OF HILLARY CLINTON

    https://psmag.com/.amp/news/the-sile...illary-clinton
    author says:

    "My advice, if anyone's interested, is that if you're not particularly interested in her take on politics, don't buy or read Clinton's book, and leave it at that. And if you're a prominent figure in a party that wishes to be seen as a champion of professional women, think twice before silencing one."

    That's pretty good advise.
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    Meanwhile, HERE is an interesting article: "Democrats’ Secret Weapon: Romney Voters; Stop fetishizing the Obama-Trump converts. If you want to see the future of politics, here’s who Dems need to understand."

    In the six months since the election, we’ve obsessed about Obama-Trump voters but completely ignored their inverse: the Romney-Clinton voters.

    Who are they? Romney-Clinton voters are, generally speaking, college-educated suburban professionals: lawyers, doctors and businesspeople. They voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to Hillary Clinton in 2016. They abhor xenophobia, the alt-right and racists, but they also mostly socialize within their own race and they’re mostly white. They’re socially liberal but not obsessed with a political agenda. They value fiscal responsibility but also believe in investing in the future, especially education. They remain deeply worried about Trump’s qualifications, scared about his temperament and alienated by his misogyny and ties to extremists. For the first time in a long time, they’re willing to hear about and vote for Democrats.

    For journalists and political operatives, these people are harder to romanticize. They lack the stirring, deeply ingrained Americana imagery of the Appalachian coal miner or the Rust Belt autoworker—a news story set against the backdrop of a paralegal’s research library or a suburban office park simply doesn’t feel as compelling.

    But if you want to see the future of the Democratic Party—and if you want to understand how Democrats can win back a congressional majority—then it’s important that you pay attention to a group of voters who might cut a less evocative image than their Obama-Trump counterparts, but whose support of Democrats could cause the GOP to collapse.

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    In other news, Ted Cruz was basically caught jacking it on Twitter.

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    Is the amount of litigation facing the president (regarding moves made AS the president) unusual? Maybe I just didn't pay attention, but I don't remember previous administrations having this deluge of being sued to prevent proposed legislation from taking effect. I'm sure it happens to everyone, I just feel like this is an abnormally high amount (post triggered by the multi-state lawsuit regarding the DACA decision).

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthewall2983 View Post
    In other news, Ted Cruz was basically caught jacking it on Twitter.
    Ok... two things. first and foremost, WHAT?! WHAT?!!!!!!!!

    Secondly, I just gotta say, I've let my mind go to some dark places... your post here just took me, mentally, to a place I shouldn't have gone. Here I am, trying to express this, and I'm reeling from the shattering images that flash through my brain unheeded. I try to push them back, like you can do with the oncoming feeling of impending vomit (which feels particularly relatable right now), but the horror is too great. My mind is vomiting.

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    Can someone explain this Cruz thing? I'm not sure how to google this without stumbling on something traumatizing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Can someone explain this Cruz thing? I'm not sure how to google this without stumbling on something traumatizing...
    Either himself or someone on his staff managing his twitter account "liked" a tweet from a porn account on of all days, yesterday. *shrug*

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    Bad Cruz! Bad!!!!!!!

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    That's... Not something that makes it "better" though. Hey politicians, run your own Twitter accounts. Stop handing the keys to your personal profile to some dumb teen. It'd be better if he himself had been caught looking at "cheating porn." The fact that you were so irresponsible with who you gave that duty to, rather than just handling it yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    dude, every politician has people running their social media.
    I know, so maybe this is a "learning moment."
    Don't hire someone to be you for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    That's... Not something that makes it "better" though. Hey politicians, run your own Twitter accounts. Stop handing the keys to your personal profile to some dumb teen. It'd be better if he himself had been caught looking at "cheating porn." The fact that you were so irresponsible with who you gave that duty to, rather than just handling it yourself...
    You can't be serious. Right? Please read the most famous Twitter account in the political world - the one actually written by the guy in the tiny little picture. That should be all the evidence you need that politicians should NOT be tweeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    You can't be serious. Right? Please read the most famous Twitter account in the political world - the one actually written by the guy in the tiny little picture. That should be all the evidence you need that politicians should NOT be tweeting.
    I don't know... that guy got elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    dude, every politician has people running their social media.
    Cruz posts via the iOS app and its usually his staffers (or whatever they are called) that post via TweetDeck. That fact actually made it super suspicious that a staffer would be watching porn... but it seems the staffers were also using iOS. Seems some dude named Josh was the porn watcher. We dug pretty heavily into the API for any hints of Cruz being the one who did it though
    We?

    It makes me a little sad when I hear that a lot of these public figures don't do anything with their social media, just handing it off to, as was said, some kid. Yesterday, Cecile Richards liked my comment on her Instagram probably not. Welp.

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