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    About Trump wanting to protect statues:

    https://news.vice.com/story/trump-us...utiful-statues

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    Don't 100% agree with what he's saying but I can get behind the anger behind it.

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    Have I missed this article somewhere in the major outlets, or has no one posited this idea?

    The "reasonable" complaint that southerners are clinging onto is the "we're celebrating southern history - by removing these statues you're erasing history and those who forget are doomed to repeat" blah blah blah.

    Doesn't matter if you remind them that kids are still taught the Civil War in school. Doesn't matter if you remind them that the monuments could be put in museums for anyone who wants to see.

    So here's my solution: replace the statues. Want to remember the history of your region? Want to memorialize those who were brave? Replace confederate statues with monuments to slaves. They're the ones who fought every damn day just for their right to be alive. They're the ones who were downtrodden. They're the ones who deserve commemoration and remembrance. Not the assholes who literally went to war to defend their desire to own human beings.

    You're still honoring the south. You're still keeping your heritage and history in the public spotlight. Why wouldn't you jump at the chance to honor the slaves instead of the slavers?

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    Regarding those Conferderate monuments:

    From the History Channel

    While every statue in every town has a different origin, taken together, the roughly 700 Confederate monuments in the United States tell a national story. Many of these commemorations of those on the losing side of the Civil War are a lot newer than one might think.

    According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which compiled a list of these monuments last year, these monuments are spread over 31 states plus the District of Columbia—far exceeding the 11 Confederate states that seceded at the outset of the Civil War.

    Most of these monuments did not go up immediately after the war’s end in 1865. During that time, commemorative markers of the Civil War tended to be memorials that mourned soldiers who had died, says Mark Elliott, a history professor at University of North Carolina, Greensboro.

    “Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.
    Protesters and city officials have taken down statues in Baltimore and Durham, North Carolina. And many cities—including Washington, D.C.—are calling on their elected officials to do the same. Two of Stonewall Jackson’s great-great-grandsons have written an open letter to the mayor of Richmond, the former capital of the Confederacy as well as the grandsons’ hometown, regarding Jackson’s statue there.

    “[W]e are writing today to ask for the removal of his statue, as well as the removal of all Confederate statues from Monument Avenue,” they wrote in their letter published on Slate. “They are overt symbols of racism and white supremacy, and the time is long overdue for them to depart from public display.”

    Even Robert E. Lee V, whose understanding of his great-great-grandfather’s legacy is steeped in Lost Cause-ism, made a similar recommendation about statues of him. Speaking to The Washington Post, he said: “if it can avoid any days like this past Saturday in Charlottesville, then take them down today.”
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    Just to step away from the news for a second:
    Here's a kickstarter for a short story collection of supernatural Trump horror stories called The King in Orange: Shadow over the White House.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ampaign=buffer

    I wrote one of the stories in it!!!

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    Drudge reporting that Bannon is out.

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    Down goes Bannon! Down goes Bannon!

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    Interesting note: NYT reporting that his resignation letter (whether a real resignation or a requested one) was dated 8/7, but the scheduled announcement was delayed because of VA.

    What I don't get is that people were screaming for Bannon to get booted at that point, so wouldn't that have been the perfect time to make the announcement if the decision had already been made?

    Seems like a really odd detail to make up, so I'm not sure why their sources would be lying about that. But I can't imagine the White House being handed a freaking golden ticket and going "nah, we're gonna wait a while and let people get even more angry at us first".

    From https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/u...ite-house.html

    a person close to Mr. Bannon insisted that the parting of ways was his idea, and that he had submitted his resignation to the president on Aug. 7, to be announced at the start of this week. But the move was delayed after the racial unrest in Charlottesville, Va.




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    I am so hard right now

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    This!

    Michael Moore

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    BANNON GONE! When Steve Bannon saw Trump able to defend White power all on his own, he took the training wheels off his man-boy president who was now pushing the alt.right agenda without his help. "Look, Steve -- no hands!" When the public poll came out yesterday that nearly 70% of Republicans "supported Trump's comments at his Tuesday press conference," Bannon said to himself, "My job here is done. Mission accomplished."

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    i think Steve will try and cut a deal with mueller over Russia things will began to move now, Trump is toxic now,hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end
    -Louie

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    Quote Originally Posted by baudolino View Post
    This!

    Michael Moore

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    BANNON GONE! When Steve Bannon saw Trump able to defend White power all on his own, he took the training wheels off his man-boy president who was now pushing the alt.right agenda without his help. "Look, Steve -- no hands!" When the public poll came out yesterday that nearly 70% of Republicans "supported Trump's comments at his Tuesday press conference," Bannon said to himself, "My job here is done. Mission accomplished."
    Except if the narrative is to be believed, Bannon turned in his resignation 11 days ago. Michael Moore, everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post

    What I don't get is that people were screaming for Bannon to get booted at that point, so wouldn't that have been the perfect time to make the announcement if the decision had already been made?

    Seems like a really odd detail to make up, so I'm not sure why their sources would be lying about that. But I can't imagine the White House being handed a freaking golden ticket and going "nah, we're gonna wait a while and let people get even more angry at us first".

    From https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/u...ite-house.html
    Trump does not CARE about people screaming for Bannon's head. He does not CARE about those opposed to their horrible agenda. He does not CARE about the approval of those he can never win over. He does not CARE about a strategic win. He cares about staying in power, and Bannon didn't further that aim anymore. That is ALL he cares about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Trump does not CARE about people screaming for Bannon's head. He does not CARE about those opposed to their horrible agenda. He does not CARE about the approval of those he can never win over. He does not CARE about a strategic win. He cares about staying in power, and Bannon didn't further that aim anymore. That is ALL he cares about.
    Yes, but the more people are hounding him and the more alienates them, the less power he has. The sooner her fires Bannon, the sooner people stop yelling about it, and the sooner he's able to get his own party back on his side. The sooner he gets back some semblance of power.

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    Literally my reaction to the news

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Trump does not CARE about people screaming for Bannon's head. He does not CARE about those opposed to their horrible agenda. He does not CARE about the approval of those he can never win over. He does not CARE about a strategic win. He cares about staying in power, and Bannon didn't further that aim anymore. That is ALL he cares about.
    He cares about leaks. He appointed a committee to find the leakers. Then Scaramucci showed up and told a prominent reporter that the leaker is Bannon. And continued to accuse Bannon of being the leaker, repeatedly. Scaramucci was evidently brought in by the Kushners. The Mooch recently said that his being there for such a short time "was kinda meant to work out that way." So it appears that this was all a creative way to do a lot of advance negative press about Bannon and Priebus before both were ousted and Trump builds an administration of mostly generals. Now, they'll have "leaker" ammo against Bannon when Bannon starts doing all the Press with more leaks.
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    I'm hopeful that his departure may have been not mutual so that the two can start fighting, and that brietbart will turn against him. That might be funny to watch, if he started calling brietbart fake news, he'd actually be right for once.

    Sadly, it does not seem to be the case if he really resigned so long ago.

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    I also read Kal "Kumar" Penn and the rest of Il Duce's arts committee have fled the administration. http://www.avclub.com/article/member...over-tr-259625

    So who has fled and who is still here? I know Meekmahan's wife Linda is still there. So is Ben Carson whose house had been vandalized.

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