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    But for real. The collective freak out over MoW just continues to taint the narrative that Trump is the most worstest ever. It shows the willingness to jump on anything you can touch.

    Get your Benghazi on guys. Something something moral high ground.

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    To the others here besides ^^ smug Libertardian upper-middle-class asshole:

    Here's what's the HUD block grant program is about (which the WH proposes be totally eliminated, but is not likely to pass the House or Senate; it has received bipartisan support since it was signed it into law in 1975).

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    as brother bob once said, "a hungry mob is an angry mob"! keep cutting and taking from the poor, you might want to electrify, thise gates to you community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Get your Benghazi on guys. Something something moral high ground.
    Ok.... So one of these things is an overblown scandal about the handling of an embassy attack, and whether or not the explanation was a fabricated smoke screen to dodge culpability...

    And here, on the other hand, we have a disagreement about a social program potentially being cut under the reasoning that it is ineffective and falls by the wayside to help control our spending, even though it makes up a pitiful drop in the ocean, and we're currently ramping up our military spending despite already spending more than the next ten countries on the list combined...

    This is not how you balance a budget, but while we're at it, can I ask what the fuck you're comparing those two things up there for? One is a hyped scandal meant to discredit a potential nominee for the president, and the other is a criticism of a stupid decision being placed on the table by the people currently sitting in control of everything. False equivalency much?

    You can't go around just axing programs that don't fit into your personal priorities list (which is a fucking insane list of priorities) just based on how much you don't give a shit about them personally, and with no consideration to what chunk of the pie they're actually taking up. Killing Meals on Wheels because we have a spending problem is like... if someone is really out of shape because they eat pizza every day, never exercise, smoke crack, and every fifteenth Saturday they eat a single gum drop as a guilty pleasure... and then, for a New Years resolution, they give up the gum drop... because really, over enough time, they'll have saved up enough money abstaining from buying gum drops to pay for the crack.

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    Trump 2017: Year Zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    can I ask what the fuck you're comparing those two things up there for?
    Overhyped "nothing burgers" apply to both. Then it turns into "boy who cried wolf" after enough of them happen.

    I don't like Trump. But I'm going to focus on the things that truly stand out. Ramping up the military budget is standout and undebatable. I think doing that is bad. Turning the focus to MoW's tiny cut through a funding dependency? lol please

    Read the MoJo article I linked to if you need evidence on just how much digging and magnifying was done to focus on such a trivially small thing that is the MoW cut.
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    This is the funniest thing right now.

    So many perfect layers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Overhyped "nothing burgers" apply to both. Then it turns into "boy who cried wolf" after enough of them happen.

    I don't like Trump. But I'm going to focus on the things that truly stand out. Ramping up the military budget is standout and undebatable. I think doing that is bad. Turning the focus to MoW's tiny cut through a funding dependency? lol please

    Read the MoJo article I linked to if you need evidence on just how much digging and magnifying was done to focus on such a trivially small thing that is the MoW cut.
    I read it before you linked it.

    I'm calling false equivalency on the issues you're equivocating. You're carrying on a "devil's advocate" trope where you try to conflate the complaints on both sides of the aisle while heralding your middle-of-the-road indifference; smirking in the corner the whole time. You don't get why that sucks, and that's fine I guess.

    It is obnoxious though, even if you personally feel you're trying to shine a light on a legitimate complaint that this liberally leaning page is ignoring. I've heard better arguments to consider the other side than that.

    Turning the spotlight to things like Meals on Wheels, or NPR funding... that's addressing a LARGE issue related to TINY spending. I don't get how you're missing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    This is the funniest thing right now.

    So many perfect layers.

    Just.... what the fuck? Can we get a link to something less meme-ish? My google-fu is usually pretty good but I'm at a loss here

    I would add, I guess, that I could give NOT ONE SINGLE FUCK about what Clinton has to say at this point, and I'm sick of hearing about what she did or what she's doing in the current context, because like it or not, she is politically DONE on the main stage... but you brought her up so WTF is your point?
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    So is a bunch of people dying in Benghazi not an issue then?
    The MoW cut wouldn't have made anyone's radar if Obama did it. Where was the outrage when Obama recommended a $200mil cut to these programs last year?

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    Trump 2017: Year Zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Just.... what the fuck? Can we get a link to something less meme-ish? My google-fu is usually pretty good but I'm at a loss here
    It's fake. It's just so perfectly fake though. It took me a while to realize it. I spent a lot of time trying to google it only to have it hit me in the face. Then I fell in love with it.

    I can't tell what was most convincing... my guess is the part where Hillary called herself courageous for saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    So is a bunch of people dying in Benghazi not an issue then?
    The MoW cut wouldn't have made anyone's radar if Obama did it. Where was the outrage when Obama recommended a $200mil cut to these programs last year?
    No, it's an issue, the blame just doesn't fall squarely where the people who made it into an issue insinuated it did...

    And so, a bunch of people who thought Benghazi was the place where the cartoon Alladin took place were suddenly concerned about it and thought it should be bombed, and then found their biggest current political hurdle was not saying the word "Agrabah"

    The people who couldn't shut the fuck up about Benghazi STILL couldn't point it out on a map if you put a gun to their head and offered them a million dollars to get it within a thousand miles. AND YOU KNOW THAT

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    And the people who were crying about MoW had no idea how it was funded or how much was impacted. Every single person I heard from initially thought the entire program was cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    And the people who were crying about MoW had no idea how it was funded or how much was impacted. Every single person I heard from initially thought the entire program was cut.
    Another FALSE. EQUIVALENCY.

    Stop trying to fill in the Devil's Advocate role here man. It can get obnoxious.

    Just to note.... in case I'm going to be called out for a shifting goal post here... No, people expressing alarm about an issue that is facing impending potential treatment are not in any way comparable to people hypothesizing about conspiratorial roles.

    I mean, listen to yourself!!! You are basically saying "Guys, LOL, you're all worried that the current out-of-control administration is going to cut funding to stuff you like, but hey, look, a while back you guys cut stuff, random stuff, and also, you wanted to do other stuff... none of this stuff is related to the stuff you're upset about, but hey, it's stuff. Also, how is the stuff, which is pretty clearly defined and up for vote, any different from stuff that's a bunch of vague hyperbolic accusations about a completely unrelated issue?"

    YOU brought up Benghazi in this conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Another FALSE. EQUIVALENCY.

    Stop trying to fill in the Devil's Advocate role here man. It can get obnoxious.

    Obama's coffee cup salute.
    Hillary's email.
    Etc

    They all fit into the same bucket from what I am looking at. Way way overplayed. Not sure how to demonstrate it any further.

    If you think the MoW angle wasn't massively overplayed, then we will just have to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Obama's coffee cup salute.
    Hillary's email.
    Etc

    They all fit into the same bucket from what I am looking at. Way way overplayed. Not sure how to demonstrate it any further.

    If you think the MoW angle wasn't massively overplayed, then we will just have to disagree.
    Wait, are you drawing equivalence between "the coffee cup salute" and a decision to cut funding for a program aimed at aiding the elderly when it comes to appropriated outrage?
    I.... Are you kidding me?

    If the Meals on Wheels angle is overplayed, it's only because the counterpoint from people like you is being WAY overstated in its diminishment of the complaint.

    Some things don't matter... like whether or not Obama puts mustard on his burger. Some things matter, like funding for things that matter, especially when it's a drop in the bucket relatively.

    If you have such an indifferent hard-on for this issue, how about getting behind the opposition to things that must not be defunded? I can already hear you saying something about doing it on a state level, but Planned Parenthood? Everyone paying attention knows that abortions (outside of issues involving rape or incest or relating to the potential health of the mother) are not getting federal funding... but rather, that funds are allocated to reimburse PP for preventative medical health services, and these do not include willful abortions.

    Yet Trump is threatening PP with "defunding" those reimbursements if they don't stop providing services that are not covered by federal funding.

    Is this another "craaaaazy NON issue" ?

    Get off the "You guys are making a big deal out of nothing" soap box and possibly consider that some of these points matter.... just for a second.
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    Even if cutting arts programs and MoW programs are symbolic, we absolutely are right to be outraged by what that represents. It's like this budget was made by my racist uncle over thanksgiving dinner: we don't need those snowflake artsy programs, pump that good money into our military, because Obama made us a laughing stock of the world and ain't no one is afraid us anymore! Get more nukes!

    Fuck that!

    Yes, it's only 3% of the funding, but for a struggling service, 3% is a LOT.

    Nobody can seriously argue that our military is not already fuckin' well funded! It's a monster!

    And of course the real issue is the WHY. The general impression is that Trump is gearing up for WAR, which would be the only way he could cement his power. It's hard to replace a president during an active wartime crisis, and this man is not out there to keep peace.
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    On a slightly unrelated note, just to illustrate how fuckin' dumb some people are, I was talking to a coworker yesterday who bitched about how Obama didn't do universal healthcare. And he said: "this Obamacare was just a mandatory tax."

    I was like... whaaa?!?!

    Universal healthcare IS a fuckin' tax! That's how it works. It blew my mind.

    (disclaimer: I know the ACA wasn't perfect and it wasn't universal heath care, the joke is that this guy complained that it was a tax based system when it comes down to it)

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    @Jinsai , please, forget it. He's a fucking troll. Nothing more. It's futile trying to discuss anything with a troll.

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    FBI Director James Comey testifies to Congress that there is an active investigation into Russian interference in the election, Trump ties to Russia, and that the investigation has been ongoing since JULY. Also that there is no evidence to Trump's wiretapping claims.

    The FBI rarely comments on ongoing investigations, to the point of not even acknowledging the existence of such a thing. That this bombshell of an announcement is happening in a PUBLIC hearing is crazy. Makes you wonder what else Comey would be able to divulge in a closed hearing.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/u...ald-trump.html

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    i gong to follow John
    Oliver's lead and just respond with "Zebra"
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    i think everyone should read this https://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_q127.html
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    Spicy is losing it. Now claims that Paul Manafort only played limited role in Trump's campaign.
    Yeah ... I mean Manafort was only the campaign's chairman for half of 2016.

    Where there's smoke ... there's fire.

    I think it's just a question of time before the FBI finds evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

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    Trump 2017: Year Zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post

    Yet Trump is threatening PP with "defunding" those reimbursements if they don't stop providing services that are not covered by federal funding.

    Is this another "craaaaazy NON issue" ?

    Get off the "You guys are making a big deal out of nothing" soap box and possibly consider that some of these points matter.... just for a second.
    I wasn't talking about "some of these points." I was talking about MoW and nothing more. It was one of the loudest headlines being pushed to discuss the cuts. It was an emotional appeal that mislead everyone. When pointed out, everyone doubled down on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    I wasn't talking about "some of these points." I was talking about MoW and nothing more. It was one of the loudest headlines being pushed to discuss the cuts. It was an emotional appeal that mislead everyone. When pointed out, everyone doubled down on it.
    You aren't hearing the point that people are making. The larger issue relates to priorities when it comes to balancing a budget. The rationale behind these cuts is to ostensibly curb unnecessary spending, and the nature of the programs that are being targeted for defunding matters in the context of this administration's agenda. MoW could pull in a measly three dollars a year from federal funding - the point would be even clearer then.

    "What's this Meals on Wheels shit? Oh, we're spending three dollars a year on it? Well, gut that shit, we need to build a 25 billion dollar border wall."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    You aren't hearing the point that people are making. The larger issue relates to priorities when it comes to balancing a budget. The rationale behind these cuts is to ostensibly curb unnecessary spending, and the nature of the programs that are being targeted for defunding matters in the context of this administration's agenda. MoW could pull in a measly three dollars a year from federal funding - the point would be even clearer then.

    "What's this Meals on Wheels shit? Oh, we're spending three dollars a year on it? Well, gut that shit, we need to build a 25 billion dollar border wall."
    That simply wasn't in the scope of my objection to the headline. But if you want to talk about financial opportunity cost....

    You voted for a war hawk who wouldn't have reduced mil spending. That's a whole lot of opportunity cost. Do I even need to talk about Obama? All the "let's stop spending on mil" voices of the left magically vanished under Obama. And if your rebuttal is "but the cut and boost happened at the same time with Trump" then you have little understanding of how financial opportunity cost works.

    Speaking of financial opportunity cost... are you suddenly a financial conservative? Have you been railing against the biggest financial opportunity costs: the growing debt because of the perpetual deficit. Who do you think gets to suffer the consequences of paying that off?


    Anyway, this all demonstrates exactly why valuable programs shouldn't be funded in this way. They shouldn't rely on forced altruism through the volatility of federal politics. Also, MoW has seen such a spike in donations and volunteer requests that they can't keep up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a37d57593c6d

    Yeah. Planned Parenthood too. 40 fold increase since the election: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/plan...-election.html
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    I have made a horrible mistake looking at this thread again

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    i think he i getting scared his approval rating is i the toilet sharks are starting to circle, their is plenty of blood in the water, all the outragous promises are failing flat, soon his only supporters will be Hanninity fox& friends and Alex Jones, good luck with that I'll be here laughing and not with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    You voted for a war hawk who wouldn't have reduced mil spending.
    You make it sound like she was my first choice. Trump is proposing a 54 billion dollar increase in military spending. You think I wouldn't be pissed at Clinton if she proposed that as president, and then justified the increase by cutting funding for the programs he's been targeting? Give me a fucking break.

    That's a whole lot of opportunity cost. Do I even need to talk about Obama? All the "let's stop spending on mil" voices of the left magically vanished under Obama.

    Obama was criticized for cuts in military spending


    And if your rebuttal is "but the cut and boost happened at the same time with Trump" then you have little understanding of how financial opportunity cost works.
    Well, since I didn't say that was the problem, and I was pretty clear what my issue was, what the fuck are you talking about?

    Speaking of financial opportunity cost... are you suddenly a financial conservative? Have you been railing against the biggest financial opportunity costs: the growing debt because of the perpetual deficit. Who do you think gets to suffer the consequences of paying that off?
    ME: This is a fucking stupid way to balance the budget.
    YOU: What, are you suddenly a financial conservative!!!!?


    Anyway, this all demonstrates exactly why valuable programs shouldn't be funded in this way. They shouldn't rely on forced altruism through the volatility of federal politics. Also, MoW has seen such a spike in donations and volunteer requests that they can't keep up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a37d57593c6d
    Here we get back to your central point about why everything is an example of why libertarian bullshit is the way to go. "Oh, see, they're getting charitable donations! There's the evidence that this organization should be funded by charity alone!" Suggesting that charitable response to an organization being gutted is proof positive that it's the correct working model is like saying that boycotting something is the best route to avoiding led winding up in your kid's cereal.

    Yeah. Planned Parenthood too. 40 fold increase since the election: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/plan...-election.html
    And if someone is stabbed, they might be able to raise money for their recovery with a go fund me page... That doesn't mean that you should try to get stabbed as a way to raise money.

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    While the Dems are on a 24hr spergfest over Russia, Sanders has been converting Trump supporters into seeing the light of universal healthcare. God bless him.

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    The hell is going on here.... electronics being banned from carry on in certain flights? What shenanigans is Trump initiating now.

    http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...-flights-to-us

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