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    I honestly think it's that Trump has an overwhelming hatred of Barack Obama, and the Affordable Care Act is Obama's biggest legacy. If it can be killed, Trump will do it, even if the move is unpopular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I think the ACA will stay uncontested, if only because Trump and Friends have realized that it's actually a really complex thing, and they have no fucking idea what they're doing in regards to that sort of stuff... It was a talking point, and now, rather than try to actually focus on an issue, he's going to just say "they blocked my attempt to do something about it! Blame them!"

    The truth is, he realized that health care reform is not just another stupid thing you check off a box on, because it pissed people off - even his supporters. Ultimately, Trump doesn't want to address issues or fix things. He wants love and adoration. The only reason Obamacare was an issue for him to begin with was because he perceived that there was a lot of people who were mad about it. He doesn't have any concept of how to fix it, and his team of propagandists certainly don't give a single fuck on an ideological level.
    people are wondering if it's intentional incompetence, the freedom caucus,(anything but),bunch of stogy old white dude, Koch bothers PAC, felt it still gave to much to away to commoners, like pre-existing conditions the castle might be stormed before this whole thing is over
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    As much as it generally pisses me off that people are being as shitty to Trump over insignificant things as the right was to all the tiny things Obama did, this makes me giggle.



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    stayed in Washington no outrageous tweets lost health care another fail on your campaign promises - 0 lies - a lot
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    that's ok big guy keep trying i know it's tough, but you can do it my little man, I know, but you know you can't steal second unless you get on first, so dust yourself off put on your big boy pants and get back out there, and remember our little deal, if you stay off twitter and study up on your policies we might let you drive the fire truck, fire truck!, OK Donnie you want me to check under you bed again for that bad old Obama? OK I'll leave the door open a crack for you OK little buddy we got a big day of golf tomorrow so let's turn that frown upside down
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    No matter how many times the man has failed, and no matter how many articles like this I've read, I still don't personally know a single person who voted for him who has since expressed even the tiniest bit of regret or frustration at the administration thus far.

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    Except the failure of this newest HC Bill isn't Trump's failure: It's the fractured Republican party's failure. (And, yes, it's that fucking pompous Paul Ryan's failure.)

    The Moderate Republicans and the EXTREME Conservative Republicans (which includes Libertarian and Tea Party Republicans) will NEVER agree on ANYTHING, especially not this.

    The primary purpose of this HC Bill was a big tax cut for the wealthy disguised as a HC Bill. The secondary purpose was to get rid of anything having to do with Obama, even if it means breaking all parts that don't need fixing.

    Trump made a several mistakes, here:

    (a) He didn't read the fucking Bill. Insiders said he asked "is this a good Bill?" Because he hadn't read it. Then he got behind it, seemingly unaware of the BIG DIVIDE between the Moderate and Conservative Republicans.

    (b) He and Ryan pushed this through too fast. It took nearly TWO YEARS for the ACA to pass. But, the ACA passed with 100% Democrat vote and 0 Republican votes. The Dems weren't split like these Republicans.

    (c) Trump ran as a non-Party populist. The minute he got into office, he became controlled by the SUPER Conservative Right, forgetting those voters (NOT overly right-wing Conservative) who got him into office; the ones who wanted him to make deals, "get things done," and fuck the Establishment. But then Trump got into bed with the Republican Right-Wing Establishment.

    (d) The rift between the Tea Party and Moderate Republicans is so wide, it's a big big problem. They will NEVER agree on certain issues. EVER. The End

    (e) Priebus is now indicating that the way they will "get this done" is the bring together the Democrats and the Moderate Republicans. Yup, that's the only way anything will get done. The ACA has some flaws that need fixing. Realistic Dems admit this is true. Whining about it, like Chuck Schumer yesterday on Sunday News programs, isn't going to help anybody. Fix the fucking thing. Figure out a way for Dems and Moderate Republicans to work together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Except the failure of this newest HC Bill isn't Trump's failure: It's the fractured Republican party's failure. (And, yes, it's that fucking pompous Paul Ryan's failure.)

    The Moderate Republicans and the EXTREME Conservative Republicans (which includes Libertarian and Tea Party Republicans) will NEVER agree on ANYTHING, especially not this.

    The primary purpose of this HC Bill was a big tax cut for the wealthy disguised as a HC Bill. The secondary purpose was to get rid of anything having to do with Obama, even if it means breaking all parts that don't need fixing.

    Trump made a several mistakes, here:

    (a) He didn't read the fucking Bill. Insiders said he asked "is this a good Bill?" Because he hadn't read it. Then he got behind it, seemingly unaware of the BIG DIVIDE between the Moderate and Conservative Republicans.

    (b) He and Ryan pushed this through too fast. It took nearly TWO YEARS for the ACA to pass. But, the ACA passed with 100% Democrat vote and 0 Republican votes. The Dems weren't split like these Republicans.

    (c) Trump ran as a non-Party populist. The minute he got into office, he became controlled by the SUPER Conservative Right, forgetting those voters (NOT overly right-wing Conservative) who got him into office; the ones who wanted him to make deals, "get things done," and fuck the Establishment. But then Trump got into bed with the Republican Right-Wing Establishment.

    (d) The rift between the Tea Party and Moderate Republicans is so wide, it's a big big problem. They will NEVER agree on certain issues. EVER. The End

    (e) Priebus is now indicating that the way they will "get this done" is the bring together the Democrats and the Moderate Republicans. Yup, that's the only way anything will get done. The ACA has some flaws that need fixing. Realistic Dems admit this is true. Whining about it, like Chuck Schumer yesterday on Sunday News programs, isn't going to help anybody. Fix the fucking thing. Figure out a way for Dems and Moderate Republicans to work together.
    I feel that we're living in the age of myth's the myth of American exceptionalism the myth of Regan it makes no sense look around at 90% of the other civilized world and go hey how about we do something like that? god forbid we become to European when we have a puppet of the Kremlin in the white-house,political parties as sports teams or elections as some "alt" American idol as was said in the Bowery boy's "wise-up" schools out idiot
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    Who are these mythical moderate Republicans? You can count them on one hand in the Senate, and maybe two hands in the House.

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    there in hiding with the tax and spend democrats liberal media school indoctrination compassionate conservatism and various other bull shit you've been force fed
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Who are these mythical moderate Republicans? You can count them on one hand in the Senate, and maybe two hands in the House.
    We have plenty of mythical "moderate" Dems who'll largely bend over and take it from conservatives to appeal to a conservative voter base, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Who are these mythical moderate Republicans? You can count them on one hand in the Senate, and maybe two hands in the House.
    See Tuesday Group which killed this new HC Bill (along with the Conservative "Freedom Caucus"). See also Main Street Partnership.

    Tuesday Group statement:

    "After careful deliberation, I cannot support the bill and will oppose it. I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans, particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals," the group's leader Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA)
    Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner is a Moderate Republican. (I voted for him.)
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    the Freedom Caucus" is a bunch of good "ole' boy's whose book of the month is "the handmaids tale" every month who are so far right thy make Jerry Falwell look like a gay pot smoking war protesting hippy, and whiter than a polar bear eating a saltine cracker covered with vanilla ice-cream in a snowstorm underneath highway construction floodlights watching re-runs of friends on fox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    the Freedom Caucus" is a bunch of good "ole' boy's whose book of the month is "the handmaids tale" every month who are so far right thy make Jerry Falwell look like a gay pot smoking war protesting hippy, and whiter than a polar bear eating a saltine cracker covered with vanilla ice-cream in a snowstorm underneath highway construction floodlights watching re-runs of friends on fox
    -Louie
    I don't think they are the Religious Right; they're REALLY into LIMITED Government and "fiscal responsibility." It includes some Tea Party members. It's a really small but RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL group.

    Most media reports refer to the Freedom Caucus as a group of hard-line conservatives. While they are certainly conservative, ideology is not what makes the Freedom Caucus special. The group is distinctive because of its members’ willingness to risk their offices, political relationships, and even the basic functioning of the federal government to stay true to their values.

    The core leaders of the group describe themselves as principled constitutionalists who refuse to be corrupted by Washington. They see themselves as “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” politicians, principled lawmakers who refuse to play the corrupt game of politics.
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    not corrupt? correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they are part of the Koch brothers super PAC let's just be honest and have some truthfulness and call them by their real name the asshole caucus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    not corrupt? correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they are part of the Koch brothers super PAC let's just be honest and have some truthfulness and call them by their real name the asshole caucus
    -Louie
    I do not subscribe to the group-think the Koch brothers are the evil assholes that the Liberals portray them to be.

    The Koch brothers are socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Which, in my opinion, is still better than being socially conservative and financially conservative. The Koch brothers are Libertarians. They're pretty smart, thoughtful guys. They don't have a religious agenda. They nearly SOLELY push for a small Federal government and responsible spending.

    Here's an interesting interview with Charles Koch.

    The Koch brothers loudly opposed the new HC bill but they didn't fund the Freedom Caucus to defeat it.
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    i agree with the above post and will happily admit if I am wrong or misrepresent i could not find any info that the Koch's funded the freedom caucus the best reliable info I found was here http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...nd-whos-in-it/ but no money mentioned
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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    No matter how many times the man has failed, and no matter how many articles like this I've read, I still don't personally know a single person who voted for him who has since expressed even the tiniest bit of regret or frustration at the administration thus far.
    I do... I have some relatives who were on the "anyone but Hillary" train, and they regret it. I've had a hard time resisting the urge to say "I told you so."

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    I feel like the massive regret will come once he's been in for awhile and we're used to him. Familiarity breeds contempt after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthewall2983 View Post
    I feel like the massive regret will come once he's been in for awhile and we're used to him. Familiarity breeds contempt after all.
    the reason a lot of people will never admit they're wrong applies here: stubborn pride. It's a common personality trait with narcissists, and it's no secret who the narcissists favored in the last election: The biggest narcissist of all time. Those people fear knowing that someone else is right when they say "I told you so" more than almost anything else.

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    That could very well be true but I could see even some of those breaking off, in their own way.

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    i guess the cool thing if we get sick from the environment being destroyed at least we won't have health care.
    isn't banning Sally Yates from testifying obstruction, wasn't Nixon impeached for obstruction, just curious
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    Doc dump: Russian disinformation and propaganda ops - https://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2017/...he-dnr-online/

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    trump selling out the internet http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...iww8u1mhuayvi& remember this people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    i guess the cool thing if we get sick from the environment being destroyed at least we won't have health care.
    isn't banning Sally Yates from testifying obstruction, wasn't Nixon impeached for obstruction, just curious
    Nixon wasn't impeached; he resigned before that happened. But, he was voted as guilty (by the House Judiciary Committee) of a few things, (Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power, Contempt of Congress.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Nixon wasn't impeached; he resigned before that happened. But, he was voted as guilty (by the House Judiciary Committee) of a few things, (Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power, Contempt of Congress.)
    It's a technicality though really. He only resigned because he didn't want to bear the shame of eating that precedent as his legacy. Ultimately though, he effectively did his legacy a greater disservice when he went on to agree to the Frost interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    It's a technicality though really. He only resigned because he didn't want to bear the shame of eating that precedent as his legacy. Ultimately though, he effectively did his legacy a greater disservice when he went on to agree to the Frost interview.
    It's not a technicality; he wasn't impeached. I remember it fairly well, even though I was a kid. Nixon's reputation was already pretty much dead before this happened, and Watergate was the final nail in the coffin.

    See this.

    In 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommended Articles of Impeachment to the full House of Representatives, but Nixon resigned before the House voted on the Articles.

    Hence, Nixon was not impeached during the Watergate scandal. The only Presidents ever to have been impeached were Andrew Johnson (1867) and Bill Clinton (1998), both of whom were acquitted in their Senate trials.
    See also this.

    The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and that "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments .... [but] no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3). The president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States are subject to impeachment.
    Here is the timeline and all of the details regarding Watergate, for people who weren't around or aren't entirely familiar.

    On August 5, 1974, the long sought after audio tapes provided the "smoking gun" which revealed President Nixon had been deeply involved in the coverup and had ordered Haldeman to halt the FBI investigation just six days after the Watergate break-in."...call the FBI and say that we wish, for the country, don't go any further into this case, period..." -- Nixon to Haldeman, June 23, 1972.)

    That revelation resulted in a complete collapse of support for Nixon in Congress. On Friday, August 9, Nixon resigned the presidency and avoided the likely prospect of losing the impeachment vote in the full House and a subsequent trial in the Senate. He thus became the only U.S. President ever to resign. Vice President Gerald R. Ford succeeded him and a month later granted Nixon a full pardon for any crimes he might have committed while President.

    Richard Nixon had served a total of 2,026 days as the 37th President of the United States. He left office with 2 1/2 years of his second term remaining. A total of 25 officials from his administration, including four cabinet members, were eventually convicted and imprisoned for various crimes.

    Nixon's legacy re China and the programs he created while President (NOAA, EPA, school desegregation) is still intact.
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