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It was half a shit post (in intent) that they were very quick to say that Vegas was not a terror attack, while this one was seemingly immediately stated as being such. To be clear i firmly believe Vegas to be an act of terror, so therefore a terrorist attack. That people/media want to play some sort of silly definition game of what constitutes what i find to be rather ignorant, willfully even.
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...no motive, no manifesto, no background of being an abuser or misogynist tendencies, and THIS is your conclusion?Originally Posted by aggroculture
Wow. I kinda feel bad I haven't payed into the site, because if anything here deserves a facepalm, this is it.
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I can't take credit for the conclusion: there's a ton of opinions pointing that way about this, and other US mass shootings.
Also, there were episodes of him being an abusive guy: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7981866.html
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But they lost the Presidency in 2008 and 2012 and the Senate is nearly equally split, and the only reason they took back the House is due to Obamacare, and the too-right climate is causing a lot of them to talk about jumping Independent (many did already); TV commentators are predicting us going from two parties to four. House and Senate Republicans are already split so much between Conservatives and Moderates, they can’t get anything passed even WITH the majority.
We shall see.
This Boehner interview in Politico is FASCINATING: https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...feature-215741
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Him being a dick to a partner is certainly abusive, but not in the same league as what he's being painted as. I just think it's a huge stretch to say he was a deliberate enemy and diametrically opposed to all things feminist. The parts in the article about him not being social aren't really all that bizarre either. I've lived here for 8 years and I don't really know most of my neighbors at all, no real interest in social interaction with any of them. I actually chuckled at the part about him putting his trash out late nights when there's nobody around to chat him up; I do the same thing, heh. Course, I don't own guns, I'm not a high roller, and I have zero interest in going on some unsolvable killing spree.
The speculation on this guy will always far outweigh whatever we eventually find out about his motives.
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“'He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — ‘You don’t need my casino card for this. I’m paying for your drink, just like I’m paying for you.’'“
Lol this is pretty much why I stopped going to Vegas. Those fucking cards tracking everything you do, vs. actual customer service.
I agree with @Demogorgon : I am pretty much like that guy. And I think people are making assumptions based on bad observations.
We will NEVER know why.
I think all this is drift right now, too.
Last edited by allegro; 11-01-2017 at 06:00 PM.
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This is part of what I do for living and if anybody thinks that those casino cards are there for comps or to benefit the customer they are out of their minds. Those casino cards are there to help the casino track you, they know where you play, what you play, and how much you play and if you win over $1200 then you will have to produce a SSN to receive payment if they don't already have your SSN on file. There is so much I can say on this issue or issues relating to the casinos but I am really not supposed to, but I guess it is okay as long as I speak anonymously.
These days the casinos don't comp shit anymore anyways, most of the high end casinos in Vegas won't even comp you a room unless you play a $1000 a hand for four hours.
I have had so much exposure to the seedy side of life, and have first hand watched videos or read reports of people doing some of the most unbelievably stupid acts or evil acts that I myself have personally stepped back from people in general in my personal life. It is interesting work but at the same time it will cause you to lose faith in humanity, you begin to see everybody in a very negative way. It is my job to find these people and have them arrested or removed from the property.
Unfortunately a player like Paddock, would basically have his ass kissed by the casino because he is spending so much money there. Being rude to people in service such as baristas, dealers, front desk personnel, or anybody in a service job would just be expected to take whatever rude comments he would dish out to the people in service of him. However let me make perfectly clear if you are not throwing around that kind of money, the casino will have no tolerance for you at all. If you are just throwing around a $100 on a $10 blackjack game and say something rude to the staff you will be removed.
The only way Paddock would have been removed from the casino with the type of money he was throwing around is if any of his actions turned violent, either towards his girlfriend or the staff. That is grounds for removal and they don't care how much money you throw around.
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Focusing on that guy, or his psychology, or whether he liked Bernie or Trump, is part of the point, but not the main point. It's a pattern of behavior - white men carrying out mass shootings - that many politicians refuse to categorize as terrorism because the ideology that these mass shootings are seeking to desperately uphold is aligned with their own (whether they even care to know this or not): the rule and entitlement of white rich men.
It doesn't even *read* as terrorism to them, because by and large they are not the ones being terrorized by the violence of white men with guns, including cops: communities of color/queer/indigenous people are.
This is not drift, we're discussing how Trump indicts NYC as "terrorism" and Las Vegas as a sad, unfortunate act of evil.
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The FBI definition of terrorism does not equal a blanket definition of “terrifying” people; it’s directly related to being against the government or a member of the government or the country, etc. so that is why they look at motive. Not psychology, just motive.
Laurie Dann or Adam Lanza killing a bunch of kids at a grade school wasn’t and isn’t considered terrorism. Dylan Roof shooting a bunch of people at a church isn’t considered terrorism; it’s a hate crime. Tim McVeigh deliberately blowing up a Federal Government building IS and was considered domestic terrorism. It’s a LEGAL distinction related to motive. And since we will likely NEVER know the motive of the Vegas shooter, it will always be (legally) classified as a “mass shooting,” just like the McDonalds mass shooting in the 80s or the Southern Illinois University mass shooting or the Home Depot shootings.
The motive of the San Bernardino shooters is still unknown, even though they had bombs and guns; it could have been a work-related incident which is why it’s not viewed as terrorism yet. Same with the Pulse nightclub shooting, which is legally classified as a hate crime.
BUT THIS IS THE TRUMP THREAD.
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Well, right, exactly.
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I was trying to make a point about how Republicans always say "let's not politicize a tragedy" when it's a mass shooting by a white dude, but as soon as it's an immigrant, it's terrorism, and we need tighter control over immigration.
Immigrants are more regulated than guns FFS.
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Turning this back to the Trump thread. The republican party whether they want to admit it or not is controlled by the NRA. As much as I would like to see common sense gun regulation it will never happen especially now. Obviously after the the Las Vegas shooting there should have been more pressure for legislation for gun control but after yesterdays NYC terrorist attack if you bring it up now, they are going to say that the NYC attacker didn't even have a gun so the current gun laws are working.
I personally feel that it is okay for an American citizen to own a gun for home protection, but nobody needs a fucking arsenal, the Vegas shooter had an arsenal. Trump will never go anywhere near gun legislation because he is smart enough to know (I have never written that before) that, that is his base.
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Well, and Trump is always TREATING foreign-sounding shooters as immigrants from the Middle East, even when they’re NOT. The San Bernardino shooter guy was an American citizen who was radicalized right here. This NYC perp has lived in the U.S. for three years, has a wife and three kids; it seems that our own shitty treatment of Muslims is leading to this and Trump and his idiots are too blind and stupid to see it.
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But they’re not controlled by the NRA; THEIR VOTERS are NRA members. So they’re controlled by their VOTERS who believe that the NRA is there to protect 2nd Amendment rights. That’s the reality.
Okay but meanwhile ...
Now Trump is allegedly blaming Jared Kushner for all kinds of shit.
Last edited by allegro; 11-03-2017 at 12:37 PM.
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It sort of the chicken or the egg. The NRA has the party by the throat, the voters, the republican politicians will never go against the NRA. Roy Moore pulled a gun out at one of his town halls.
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But I KNOW many of these voters; my own brother said he hates Trump but he wants to keep his guns so there is no way he could vote for a Democrat, because they see ANY gun legislation as a slippery slope.
And the Dem’s gun legislation stance is JUST as important to their voters.
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I work with some people that voted for Trump and they told me they think Trump is an idiot, but they voted for him based on the fact that they are NRA members. One of the guys even gave me some NRA literature. He asked me if I wanted it (even though he knows I'm a hard core liberal) I said sure. I don't know if you have ever had a chance to read some of their propaganda but WOW what a piece of brilliant mind control and brainwashing.
I mean if I ever start a cult I am going to steal their verbiage.
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Wait, what? I missed that...
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Later, Clovis! You barely sentient Crisco greased bag of shit. Here’s to hoping prison is in your future as well!
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-investigation
I saw it last night on MSNBC about 30x lol they’re loving this.
In a call Tuesday to former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon, Trump put blame on Kushner for the part he took in choices to fire former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former FBI director James Comey, Vanity Fair reported.
Roger Stone, a longtime Trump ally, also recently said Kushner wasn't giving Trump good advice — a sentiment which Trump reportedly agreed with, according to someone familiar with the conversation.
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I can't tell whether 'sad' or 'schadenfreude' is the right word to describe how I feel when I think about how if it weren't for the initial 'fire Comey" action we wouldn't have as much investigation into the Russian thing as we do now.
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Not Trump but still of interest
Inside Hillary Clinton's Secret Takeover of the DNC.
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From what I understand, it’s not about how much they spent. It’s about how much the fake Russian ads were shared, which was a lot.
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hoooooollllyyy shit!!!!!
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I mean, if you take that article at face value technically the DNC didn't rig anything because they weren't involved at all.
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@DigitalChaos , I was thinking the same thing: Donna Brazile is playing victim and trying to make Bernie look like a victim (and so she can sell books), but Brazile is JUST AS CORRUPT as the others
Last edited by allegro; 11-03-2017 at 12:38 PM.
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Huh. So Trump's twitter disappeared briefly today.
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/926222167678824450
But then it came back.
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/sta...22866923900928
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I have never understood how Donna Brazile has had the positions that she's had. I remember seeing her as a talking head on TV a decade or two ago and being embarrassed at how bad she was at debating, and it was puzzling to see her keep popping up at new jobs with more and more sway.
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Yeah, focusing ENTIRELY on Trump and how to fight him and how he's a dick, blah blah blah, was a HUGE mistake, it completely avoided and neglected the issues that people wanted to know about and just put MORE attention on Trump. Yet, lots of people were telling her this was a good move, "fight him," etc. Yup, and now we're stuck with him. You know what beats Trump best? Ignoring the asshole. But, Clinton ignored Ohio, Michigan and Indiana, and focused on Cheetolini, and here we are.
Every fucking media outlet avoided Kasich. I remember watching the post-show after the Detroit Republican debate, and Kasich was being interviewed and then the camera went off Kasich and went to Trump behind him, coming down the stairs of the theater, and they were cutting Kasich off, sorry buddy here comes TRUMP, and Kasich was, like, oh yeah, as soon as HE shows up, you all lose your minds. AND THIS WAS MSNBC!!!
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