Trump 2017: Year Zero

[allegro]

I think somebody is gonna come out of the blue on the Dem side for the 2020 Presidential run, somebody relatively unheard of ...

I think both Sanders and Biden will be too old for the job in 2020 (Sanders 79, Biden 78).

[allegro]

Senator Tammy Duckworth (who lost both legs when her Blackhawk Helicopter was shot down while serving in the military) issued a statement regarding Trump's no-transgender-in-the-military Tweet:

https://twitter.com/SenDuckworth/sta...70824259207169

An interview with Duckworth posted today by Glamour magazine regarding Trump's military transgender ban HERE.

[bobbie solo]

Sanders was polling as the most popular politician in the country a few weeks ago. He's a proven big time fundraiser, would steal MANY votes from independents and right wingers who would appreciate that he's at least honest & has a clean record. He's the only true progressive I trust not to cave to establishment Dems, and his views align almost completely with mine and many, many others. As long as he doesn't go senile between now & 2019, I could give a fuck how old he is. Desperate times and all that.

[allegro]

Sanders was polling as the most popular politician in the country a few weeks ago. He's a proven big time fundraiser, would steal MANY votes from independents and right wingers who would appreciate that he's at least honest & has a clean record.

There's no proof of that latter assertion, particularly in the areas that won Trump the Electoral College votes. Sanders didn't win the Democratic Primary, Clinton actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes but lost the Electoral College votes in the Rust Belt. Not acknowledging those facts will do nothing but hurt any chances of beating Trump in 2020. You want a desperate move, the candidate will have to be a minority. "Progressive" isn't what's necessarily going to win the vote for Dems. "Inclusive" is.

Anyway, FUCK 2020 and the Presidential race, people should be focusing on the fucking 2018 MIDTERMS. A Dem President with this Republican-majority Congress means DICK gets accomplished.

[bobbie solo]

I'm a progressive. I want a candidate who reflects my values and where I want the country to go. I don't just want the Dems to win for the sake of winning. Yes, Hillary prolly would have won the primary regardless of how they fucked Bernie in the primary. You don't think there's a ton of buyers remorse there from people on the left that voted for her? I do. I think many more people would vote for Bernie this time. His name recognition is through the roof compared to during the last primary.

Funny you challenge what I wrote about stealing right wing votes. I made that assertion precisely bc of the Rust Belt comment you made. He won the Wisconsin & Michigan primaries over Hillary. She baaaarely lost those states to Trump. He would have definitely beat Trump on those states as such. His voters would have came out in bigger numbers, and Hillary voters would have too. Hillary voters aren't the type to stay home and not vote Dem just b/c their candidate lost (they came out in big numbers after Obama beat her, and that was a much uglier primary battle than against Bernie). A good amount of Bernie voters are the type to stay home and not vote for a historically unpopular candidate like Hillary. They were galvanized in the first place b/c Bernie was not a typical politician and it excited them to get involved in the process.

Bernie can speak very. very well to the Rust Belt and grab those states back from the right. He's not rich, he's outside the Wash DC cocktail party circuit, and from a small, rural state. In fact his biggest problem in the primaries was exciting minorities. I think the next few years of him being out in the public eye consistently talking about fighting for the little guy can only help him.

[allegro]

You're comparing apples and oranges; Sanders winning Democrat votes in the Rust Belt is unrelated to Trump winning the Republican Primary and the Electoral College votes in those states.

It's great that you believe in your Progressive values but that doesn't mean that all Democrats are like you, nor does it mean that Democrats wanted either Clinton OR Sanders; we had limited choices this time, and frankly NONE of them were a match for Trump, nor were they appealing to minorities (who won Obama the election twice).

You're missing the big picture as to WHY Michigan or Ohio chose Trump. I'm FROM Michigan, they're working class people who are pissed off about taxes, unemployment, China, Mexico, etc., and they want to keep their guns (they love guns) first and foremost, and "Socialism" to them is a dirty word. They ain't becoming Democrat anytime soon.

I've voted in ... no shit ... TWELVE Presidential elections, I have never missed a single one since I became eligible to vote. People sitting their asses at home and not voting is one big reason why we get a Trump or a Reagan.

If Sanders voters had shown up to register for the primary, Sanders might have won the Primary. He didn't, he lost by a ton. Going backward and analyzing what-ifs right now is not useful. Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and barely lost the Electoral vote. The majority of this country is now REPUBLICAN. That's the reality: Dems only have control of large urban votes but otherwise the gerrymandering is fucking the Dems.

We'd still be way better off with a President Clinton than what we have now with President Trump.

Regarding the 2008 Democratic Primary and Michigan, see this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich..._primary,_2008

[sick among the pure]

I am personally 100% focused on 2018 right now, and don't understand people who are spending more than a moment's thought on 2020. Yes, the Democratic party needs to get its ass in gear if they want to do anything in 2020, but FIRST they need to take care of shit for 2018. It's almost a year away now.

[allegro]

I am personally 100% focused on 2018 right now, and don't understand people who are spending more than a moment's thought on 2020. Yes, the Democratic party needs to get its ass in gear if they want to do anything in 2020, but FIRST they need to take care of shit for 2018. It's almost a year away now.

AfuckingMen to this.

[hellospaceboy]

Getting rid of Sessions would really hurt him with Republican Senators imo.

Part of me really wants him to shitcan Sessions... that would show the rest of the GOP that despite what he says, Trump does not reward loyalty. That no matter what you do and how hard you kiss up and obey, he will discard you and sacrifice you the moment it benefits him.

[Kodiak33]

Part of me really wants him to shitcan Sessions... that would show the rest of the GOP that despite what he says, Trump does not reward loyalty. That no matter what you do and how hard you kiss up and obey, he will discard you and sacrifice you the moment it benefits him.

I really think he's going to do it. He does not give a fuck about what anyone wants, he's an authoritarian through and through because he's been so used to it over the years. Republicans will be pissed, but they still will do absolutely nothing about it because all of them are cowards. I've been really sad and embarrassed about our country this year, but I suppose I should've seen this coming. No one is really taking any of this that seriously.

[Jinsai]

I really think he's going to do it. He does not give a fuck about what anyone wants, he's an authoritarian through and through because he's been so used to it over the years. Republicans will be pissed, but they still will do absolutely nothing about it because all of them are cowards. I've been really sad and embarrassed about our country this year, but I suppose I should've seen this coming. No one is really taking any of this that seriously.

If he does it, it'll be while everyone "close to him" is screaming "NO YOU DUMB FUCK WHAT ARE YOU DOING NO NO NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"

And then the ball really gets rolling.

[allegro]

One can hope, anyway.

At least then, Sessions' war on pot will be thwarted.

[Louie_Cypher]

i now think the no tg, in the military was more distraction, more outrageous tweets to come session tweets will be next, his health care failures,
-Louie

[Jinsai]

Thing is, I'm sure it's reached the point where Trump's advisors are informing him "even if there is no, uh, there there, or whatever, Mueller is going to present enough credible evidence that will require sworn testimony from you, your aides, and your family and lawyers... And you're going to need to contradict some things that you've said in the past that were clearly lies, but at that point in time, not legally perjury, at least not in a "DUH!?" sense that we can argue... But you're going to need to bite down hard on this strap and brace yourself, because this is the worst thing that's ever going to have happened to you in your life, and the entire world is watching, and some of us are, well, we're enjoying it way too much."

That's my little fantasy reality. Just waiting around, it's gotta happen.... right?

[botley]

i now think the no tg, in the military was more distraction, more outrageous tweets to come session tweets will be next, his health care failures,
-Louie

Distraction? If he goes through with it this will be personally and professionally devastating to thousands of service personnel, to say nothing of rolling back the LGBT community's hard-won strides towards integration and unity.

[allegro]

Distraction? If he goes through with it this will be devastating to thousands of personnel, to say nothing of rolling back great strides towards integration and unity.

It's still a giant bomb designed to be a distraction. There was no urgency for something like this, Trump holds these types of bombs for when he needs to distract.

[allegro]

Meanwhile, The Mooch is now calling for an FBI investigation of Priebus:

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/...icle-1.3361159

This is getting to be like General Hospital.

[botley]

It's still a giant bomb designed to be a distraction. There was no urgency for something like this, Trump holds these types of bombs for when he needs to distract.

It's not a distraction, it's a war on all fronts. And the timing had more to do with political expediency to buttress his weak governing position than it did with stoking outrage. Although I am pretty outraged.

[marodi]

I hope Sessions does not give up and resign. His "martyrdom" is showing what sort of "human being" 45 really is. We're watching a President harass and bully one of his staff members live. If this were to happen in any other workplace, the fucker would be sued for this behavior.

Hang on Sessions, hang on! Think of the great picture; think of the cause!

[allegro]

It's not a distraction, it's a war on all fronts. And the timing had more to do with political expediency to buttress his weak governing position than it did with stoking outrage. Although I am pretty outraged.

Well to me this is still an attempted distraction from his weaknesses and his failures. His administration has accomplished ZERO but there he was at the latest Pep Rally Koolaid Fest boasting that "this President has done more in his first 6 months than any other President in history." He's referring to himself as "the President" and "Donald J Trump" - it's only a matter of time before he starts using the Royal We.

Congress is saying Trump can't even DO the proposed TG ban, that it's beyond his Executive authority. He threatened it as a distraction.

And he's gonna get a shitload of legal action against him if he actually does it.

[M1ke]

I hope Sessions does not give up and resign. His "martyrdom" is showing what sort of "human being" 45 really is. We're watching a President harass and bully one of his staff members live. If this were to happen in any other workplace, the fucker would be sued for this behavior.

Hang on Sessions, hang on! Think of the great picture; think of the cause!

Yeah, I never expected Sessions to be someone I'd cheer for......but....well, here we are.

Also, I'm well aware that this site is not the most credible, but this still made me laugh:
http://gizmodo.com/the-pentagon-worr...ear-1797291605

[Jinsai]

Fuck Jeff Sessions. Sure, I like the idea of him lashing back and spilling his guts after Trump throws him under the bus - I like to see my enemies eat their own.

I will never have anything but contempt for that weasel coward genteel southern-fried racist fuck.

[bobbie solo]

You're comparing apples and oranges; Sanders winning Democrat votes in the Rust Belt is unrelated to Trump winning the Republican Primary and the Electoral College votes in those states.

It's great that you believe in your Progressive values but that doesn't mean that all Democrats are like you, nor does it mean that Democrats wanted either Clinton OR Sanders; we had limited choices this time, and frankly NONE of them were a match for Trump, nor were they appealing to minorities (who won Obama the election twice).

You're missing the big picture as to WHY Michigan or Ohio chose Trump. I'm FROM Michigan, they're working class people who are pissed off about taxes, unemployment, China, Mexico, etc., and they want to keep their guns (they love guns) first and foremost, and "Socialism" to them is a dirty word. They ain't becoming Democrat anytime soon.

I've voted in ... no shit ... TWELVE Presidential elections, I have never missed a single one since I became eligible to vote. People sitting their asses at home and not voting is one big reason why we get a Trump or a Reagan.

If Sanders voters had shown up to register for the primary, Sanders might have won the Primary. He didn't, he lost by a ton. Going backward and analyzing what-ifs right now is not useful. Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and barely lost the Electoral vote. The majority of this country is now REPUBLICAN. That's the reality: Dems only have control of large urban votes but otherwise the gerrymandering is fucking the Dems.

I will continue to think Sanders would have destroyed Trump based on the poll, stats and post-election coverage that is out there. It's long and cumbersome to debate these types of things online. You also selectively left out some of what I said to make your point. I'm not attacking you, we're both striving for similar goals. I think Trump sqeaked by b/c enough people there have been brainwashed into thinking Hillary is the devil, and couldnt pull the lever for her. If someone likable and sincere was running against Trump, they would have voted for him. That election was never about policy, come on.

Did you mean to say the majority of the country is NOT Republican? B/c the majority def. is not Republican in terms of population. Like you said, gerrymandering is the biggest reason they are able to hold onto power in some areas.

I guess we'll see what's what for 2020. Sanders has a major team around him nowadays...he IS getting old so he's not gonna run unless they all think he has a good chance.

[bobbie solo]

I am personally 100% focused on 2018 right now, and don't understand people who are spending more than a moment's thought on 2020. Yes, the Democratic party needs to get its ass in gear if they want to do anything in 2020, but FIRST they need to take care of shit for 2018. It's almost a year away now.

what does it matter what I think about? I know how I'm voting for the foreseeable future, and I live in a state that has no danger of electing a Republican anything anytime soon.

Now the Dems, grassroots groups, get out of the vote types...yes, they need to be laser focused on 2018 for now. I can do more than one thing at once however.

[allegate]

Speaking of gerrymandering, when is the Supreme Court going to do anything with that case? The most recent reporting I see is from June.

Also, this paragraph:

It's the first time in more than a decade that the nation's highest court will take up the issue of partisan gerrymandering, or drawing voting districts with the aim of strengthening one political party.

How is it that this is not the first time this has come up? Shouldn't this have been nipped in the bud and declared illegal? It profits one party over the other, and I don't give a shit if it's the Green party who comes out on top - something like this should be fair and (literally!) square. Just draw squares, not these Rorschach tests they have now.

[allegate]

I'm flabbergasted.

[Swykk]

Dude, you've had the job for like three days!

https://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

[implanted_microchip]

Dude, you've had the job for like three days!

https://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

This guy feels like a fictional character

[Jinsai]

This guy feels like a fictional character

HOLY SHIT! This guy is the new communications director? He sounds like he's improving a villain-role on some Sopranos spin off.

[allegro]

Speaking of gerrymandering, when is the Supreme Court going to do anything with that case? The most recent reporting I see is from June.

Also, this paragraph:How is it that this is not the first time this has come up? Shouldn't this have been nipped in the bud and declared illegal? It profits one party over the other, and I don't give a shit if it's the Green party who comes out on top - something like this should be fair and (literally!) square. Just draw squares, not these Rorschach tests they have now.

The SCOTUS is in recess until, like, October.


I am LOVING the Mooch!! This guy is like some Italian lawyers I worked with, drinking martinis after work and saying FUCK every other word, except the Mooch is worth $85 million and was a liberal and had to go delete his anti-Trump tweets when he got this gig. MSNBC just accidentally showed a Mooch comment from today that had FUCK in it and Chris Matthews had to apologize.

If the Mooch can get rid of Priebus and Bannon, that would be AWESOME!!!