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His Twitter feed ... Jesus, that guy is awful.Originally Posted by Khrz
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Jesus that's scary stuff, although I don't understand the ultimate motive .
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Yeah, we've commented on that, already.
The key questionable element has already been highlighted in the article:
Some borders agents did in fact ignore Judicial Orders, but that was probably based on ignorance and not on direct orders to ignore the Judicial branch.That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.
Take this Breitbart article and replace the word "Obama" with the word "Trump" and there ya go!
Edit: Note that @botley posted that at 6:23 a.m. today and people are at work today so the giant rush to read an article (on a link you didn't even initially see) has been temporarily interrupted by Capitalism.
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Not when they don't immediately replace anybody and politicians and civilians (rather than military people and security experts) are running the State Dept. THAT is the concern being expressed even by some REPUBLICANS right now.
The acting Secretary of State is a holdover from the Obama administration but evidently the Trump people aren't even talking to him.
See this.
I agree that the @botley -linked article is worst-case-scenario and a bit (lot?) of scary hyperbole since what he proposes would not help Trump financially; it would hurt him. Hence why I questioned proposed "motives" other than "turn this into White America" which is not a benefit to Trump, financially.
If Bannon truly is a "Leninist" who wishes to bring down the State, that would negatively affect Capitalism in this country. And I can't believe that Trump is on board with that shit, not while he's appointing half of Wall Street to his Cabinet.
Wall Street and finance depends entirely on STABILITY.
But if you want some WEIRD AND INTERESTING SHIT, read THIS ARTICLE.
Steve Bannon: Thank you very much Benjamin, and I appreciate you guys including us in this. We’re speaking from Los Angeles today, right across the street from our headquarters in Los Angeles. Um. I want to talk about wealth creation and what wealth creation really can achieve and maybe take it in a slightly different direction, because I believe the world, and particularly the Judeo-Christian West, is in a crisis. And it’s really the organizing principle of how we built Breitbart News to really be a platform to bring news and information to people throughout the world. Principally in the West, but we’re expanding internationally to let people understand the depths of this crisis, and it is a crisis both of capitalism but really of the underpinnings of the Judeo-Christian West in our beliefs.
It’s ironic, I think, that we’re talking today at exactly, tomorrow, 100 years ago, at the exact moment we’re talking, the assassination took place in Sarajevo of Archduke Franz Ferdinand that led to the end of the Victorian era and the beginning of the bloodiest century in mankind’s history. Just to put it in perspective, with the assassination that took place 100 years ago tomorrow in Sarajevo, the world was at total peace. There was trade, there was globalization, there was technological transfer, the High Church of England and the Catholic Church and the Christian faith was predominant throughout Europe of practicing Christians. Seven weeks later, I think there were 5 million men in uniform and within 30 days there were over a million casualties.
That war triggered a century of barbaric — unparalleled in mankind’s history — virtually 180 to 200 million people were killed in the 20th century, and I believe that, you know, hundreds of years from now when they look back, we’re children of that: We’re children of that barbarity. This will be looked at almost as a new Dark Age.
But the thing that got us out of it, the organizing principle that met this, was not just the heroism of our people — whether it was French resistance fighters, whether it was the Polish resistance fighters, or it’s the young men from Kansas City or the Midwest who stormed the beaches of Normandy, commandos in England that fought with the Royal Air Force, that fought this great war, really the Judeo-Christian West versus atheists, right? The underlying principle is an enlightened form of capitalism, that capitalism really gave us the wherewithal. It kind of organized and built the materials needed to support, whether it’s the Soviet Union, England, the United States, and eventually to take back continental Europe and to beat back a barbaric empire in the Far East.
That capitalism really generated tremendous wealth. And that wealth was really distributed among a middle class, a rising middle class, people who come from really working-class environments and created what we really call a Pax Americana. It was many, many years and decades of peace. And I believe we’ve come partly offtrack in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union and we’re starting now in the 21st century, which I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism.
And we’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.
Now, what I mean by that specifically: I think that you’re seeing three kinds of converging tendencies: One is a form of capitalism that is taken away from the underlying spiritual and moral foundations of Christianity and, really, Judeo-Christian belief.
I see that every day. I’m a very practical, pragmatic capitalist. I was trained at Goldman Sachs, I went to Harvard Business School, I was as hard-nosed a capitalist as you get. I specialized in media, in investing in media companies, and it’s a very, very tough environment. And you’ve had a fairly good track record. So I don’t want this to kinda sound namby-pamby, “Let’s all hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’ around capitalism.”
But there’s a strand of capitalism today — two strands of it, that are very disturbing.
One is state-sponsored capitalism. And that’s the capitalism you see in China and Russia. I believe it’s what Holy Father [Pope Francis] has seen for most of his life in places like Argentina, where you have this kind of crony capitalism of people that are involved with these military powers-that-be in the government, and it forms a brutal form of capitalism that is really about creating wealth and creating value for a very small subset of people. And it doesn’t spread the tremendous value creation throughout broader distribution patterns that were seen really in the 20th century.
The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism. And, look, I’m a big believer in a lot of libertarianism. I have many many friends that’s a very big part of the conservative movement — whether it’s the UKIP movement in England, it’s many of the underpinnings of the populist movement in Europe, and particularly in the United States.
However, that form of capitalism is quite different when you really look at it to what I call the “enlightened capitalism” of the Judeo-Christian West. It is a capitalism that really looks to make people commodities, and to objectify people, and to use them almost — as many of the precepts of Marx — and that is a form of capitalism, particularly to a younger generation [that] they’re really finding quite attractive. And if they don’t see another alternative, it’s going to be an alternative that they gravitate to under this kind of rubric of “personal freedom.”
The other tendency is an immense secularization of the West. And I know we’ve talked about secularization for a long time, but if you look at younger people, especially millennials under 30, the overwhelming drive of popular culture is to absolutely secularize this rising iteration.
Now that call converges with something we have to face, and it’s a very unpleasant topic, but we are in an outright war against jihadist Islamic fascism. And this war is, I think, metastasizing far quicker than governments can handle it.
If you look at what’s happening in ISIS, which is the Islamic State of Syria and the Levant, that is now currently forming the caliphate that is having a military drive on Baghdad, if you look at the sophistication of which they’ve taken the tools of capitalism. If you look at what they’ve done with Twitter and Facebook and modern ways to fundraise, and to use crowdsourcing to fund, besides all the access to weapons, over the last couple days they have had a radical program of taking kids and trying to turn them into bombers. They have driven 50,000 Christians out of a town near the Kurdish border. We have video that we’re putting up later today on Breitbart where they’ve took 50 hostages and thrown them off a cliff in Iraq.
That war is expanding and it’s metastasizing to sub-Saharan Africa. We have Boko Haram and other groups that will eventually partner with ISIS in this global war, and it is, unfortunately, something that we’re going to have to face, and we’re going to have to face very quickly.
So I think the discussion of, should we put a cap on wealth creation and distribution? It’s something that should be at the heart of every Christian that is a capitalist — “What is the purpose of whatever I’m doing with this wealth? What is the purpose of what I’m doing with the ability that God has given us, that divine providence has given us to actually be a creator of jobs and a creator of wealth?”
I think it really behooves all of us to really take a hard look and make sure that we are reinvesting that back into positive things. But also to make sure that we understand that we’re at the very beginning stages of a global conflict, and if we do not bind together as partners with others in other countries that this conflict is only going to metastasize.
They have a Twitter account up today, ISIS does, about turning the United States into a “river of blood” if it comes in and tries to defend the city of Baghdad. And trust me, that is going to come to Europe. That is going to come to Central Europe, it’s going to come to Western Europe, it’s going to come to the United Kingdom. And so I think we are in a crisis of the underpinnings of capitalism, and on top of that we’re now, I believe, at the beginning stages of a global war against Islamic fascism.
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Hitler was influenced by Lenin too...his ruthlessness...ideologically they were poles apart.
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I don't think that Bannon is really a Leninist; he's far too Christian to be a Leninist.
"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class." - Lenin
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Bannon's view on Putin (from the aforelinked article) is interesting:
Bannon: I think it’s a little bit more complicated. When Vladimir Putin, when you really look at some of the underpinnings of some of his beliefs today, a lot of those come from what I call Eurasianism; he’s got an adviser who harkens back to Julius Evola and different writers of the early 20th century who are really the supporters of what’s called the traditionalist movement, which really eventually metastasized into Italian fascism. A lot of people that are traditionalists are attracted to that.
One of the reasons is that they believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he’s trying to do it in a form of nationalism — and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don’t believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don’t believe in the centralized government in the United States. They’d rather see more of a states-based entity that the founders originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level.
I’m not justifying Vladimir Putin and the kleptocracy that he represents, because he eventually is the state capitalist of kleptocracy. However, we the Judeo-Christian West really have to look at what he’s talking about as far as traditionalism goes — particularly the sense of where it supports the underpinnings of nationalism — and I happen to think that the individual sovereignty of a country is a good thing and a strong thing. I think strong countries and strong nationalist movements in countries make strong neighbors, and that is really the building blocks that built Western Europe and the United States, and I think it’s what can see us forward.
You know, Putin’s been quite an interesting character. He’s also very, very, very intelligent. I can see this in the United States where he’s playing very strongly to social conservatives about his message about more traditional values, so I think it’s something that we have to be very much on guard of. Because at the end of the day, I think that Putin and his cronies are really a kleptocracy, that are really an imperialist power that want to expand. However, I really believe that in this current environment, where you’re facing a potential new caliphate that is very aggressive that is really a situation — I’m not saying we can put it on a back burner — but I think we have to deal with first things first.
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After France was invaded Winston Churchill killed 2500 French Men in order to stop the Nazis seizing their navy which could pose a threat to the UK.
He also is responsible for the deaths of about 100.000 Germans through firebombing their cities. Specifically aiming at civillians.
The U.S saw what he was doing and tried it on Japan with the A bomb.
Many call Churchill a war criminal..He is regarded as a hero in the West because he put the interests of his country first...
he was a nationalist...Putin despite his atrocities always puts Russia first...he is the most influential man in the world in 2017 as a result....and is more influential in Europe than Obama ever was by miles.
People want nationalism not globalism Bannon understands that.
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That's the most insane and simplistic rationalisation of mass murder I've ever read, kudos!
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But China shows that you can have both.
China only cares about China, that's their main motto. But they are secular, they're not imperialist, and they are part of the global economy.
When Bannon says Nationalism, he really means traditional exclusivity. And America's founding fathers had zero intention of any kind of exclusivity.
“Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.” - Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine
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Receipts. Also, I'm not surprised at all that you're defending these two twats.
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Im not defending them...where in the fuck did you get that from...im not defending a man who kills 50.000 Chechens or who puts plutonium in peoples tea...
such a fucking autocratic shut down /smear..
Im acknowledging why he appeals to people....why Geert Wilders is going to win the dutch election....why Marine Le Pen has a good chance of winning the French election..
this didnt come out of nowhere..
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These people are absolute shitboxes.
https://twitter.com/saletan/status/825830249095114754
https://twitter.com/BCAppelbaum/stat...52986816741377
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Because everything you've every posted in here to do with politics has been of the alt-right/pro-Brexit/pro-Trump persuasion.
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You mean Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer (not the people Tweeting), right?
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Except, in the U.S., Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. He won on a technicality (our Electoral College) based on strategy, plus all the fallout from the gutting of the Voters Rights Act where black voters' votes are being suppressed. He didn't win by a populace landslide. He still doesn't represent the opinion of the majority of voters in this country.
Putin is only influencing a darker side who want to go back to the olden days (because they have amnesia about how the olden days really sucked, less people were educated, people in the USSR didn't even have PHONES or often a working refrigerator and they waited in line for everything). All of this is based on this: fear of progress and poverty.
http://rbth.com/politics_and_society...t-union_643655
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I'm sorry that the erosion of your state is outrunning my ability to fact-check commentary on it for you. Meanwhile your asshole President is emboldening lonely jerkoffs in my country to slaughter innocent people at prayer.But no concern for accuracy
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Man, that's the first time I've actually watched Conway and I'm struck by the fact that she doesn't even BEGIN to sound sincere
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@allegro Yep!
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The first time I heard her, my first thought was "Ann Coulter on coke".
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Im a liberal ...im pro Brexit .....i think the European Union is useless...i disagree with their austerity policies....100 Percent....i think it is a useless cold war relic...the UK has been spending money on if when it could have been spending it on us....,we dont need the Europe we have a bigger economy than Russia and Brazil combined...maybe Ireland does but we dont...im skeptical of the media.....i never supported Trump i supported Bernie Sanders..i thought there was a real sickness in American politics and the Clintons represented that.
And i hate how the left is unable to self examine itself...after fucking Donald Trump won.....and it is losing elections all over the world...
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we dont need the Europe we have a bigger economy than Russia and Brazil combined
i never supported Trump
They're your words, are they not?
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Nearly all of these are conservative views, though; not liberal. Donald Trump agrees with everything you just typed.
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From a British point of view Trump would have been better than dated Robot Clinton. It just a fact
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Every British person I know despises Trump and wished for Hillary.
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