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    Quote Originally Posted by eluus View Post
    Juste received my QOTSA Villains Deluxe Vinyl and I was thinking, this is exactly what Deviations 1 was supposed to be.
    Great (and very big !) package, full of cool art prints. And only 27, not 80.
    Too bad the album is pretty 'meh'...

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    I ordered this last week and mine should be here this week. The PDF file has anyone actually got it printed to a book to fit in with the vinyl? I don't understand why the digital version has a booklet file but not the physical copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leprekon666 View Post
    I ordered this last week and mine should be here this week. The PDF file has anyone actually got it printed to a book to fit in with the vinyl? I don't understand why the digital version has a booklet file but not the physical copy.
    Yes, it has been done. Yes it fits. Watch out for the last couple of pages because unless you account for the folds, some of the text may be cut off. Around page 47 in this thread there's images and details...

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    The Fragile: Deviations 1 - Limited Edition 4xLP (Spring 2017)

    Quote Originally Posted by seasonsinthesky View Post
    I was under the impression it was leftover tour stock. Who knows.

    Personally, I'd rather everyone gets a copy who wants one. The collector market is based on pure crap on the best of days, and it's more exacerbated every year with Record Store Day and ludicrous pressing numbers/availability of completely shite releases. It's very refreshing to see TR just press to demand.
    that's all well & good. but if that's the case, it should've cost considerably less than what it costs, as the majority of us were under the impression it was a limited run. which we were kinda happy to pay that little bit more

    maybe the first amount (ordered in December 16)
    should've been numbered with something a little extra, then the others just a standard edition. to make clear this was a limited run, but we're now adding extra copies, due to demand, or something along those lines


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    If a booklet was sold in the shop for the fragile dev 1 priced around what the NTAE & AV physical components were, I'd pick it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotoriousTIMP View Post
    Too bad the album is pretty 'meh'...
    It also doesn't seem a sound comparison when the record is 3 sides of music on the records rather than 8 sides... lots more music on lots more vinyl. I take the point re packaging but ultimately go and buy a single LP these days and it's generally around 16-20. Whilst you're not getting four times the vinyl packaging you are getting four times the records.

    I thought the new QOTSA record was OK FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLobster View Post
    Yes, it has been done. Yes it fits. Watch out for the last couple of pages because unless you account for the folds, some of the text may be cut off. Around page 47 in this thread there's images and details...
    Thanks for the page. I honestly didn't want to go through 50 pages to find if it was mentioned. I didn't think it would cost that much but ouch there goes that idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callahan View Post
    I can't give an accurate cost on it, because I actually knew the guy at the shop! and he gave me his employee discount for it. Only cost me $20
    Hmm...any idea if your friend wants to make a bunch of these and sell them for $25 a piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotoriousTIMP View Post
    Hmm...any idea if your friend wants to make a bunch of these and sell them for $25 a piece?
    Ha! I can shoot him a message and see what he can do. He's traveling the world at the moment, believe he's in Scotland, so might take him a bit to respond.

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    Another cost comparison. ok perhaps not everyone's cup of tea, but I've just had delivered The Verve Urban Hymns Remastered Deluxe (20th anniversary) vinyl set. 3 x double(6 discs) 180g LP's ( album(2LP), b-sides(2LP), unreleased live(2LP)) (in 3 x colour gate fold sleeves, 6 internal colour sleeves, + external brown sleeves for each double LP, all in an outer coloured box with 20 page LP sized colour booklet and download card with extra tracks - cost 70GBP (approx $91). Weighs a ton, but very nice release. It feels like 70 worth of vinyl though.
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    While I'm happy to finally have some more Fragile material in a physical form, and I'm not super bummed about the $80 I spent on it (though I can definitely see why people are upset), I'm more let down by the presentation. TR went on about details and shit, and then releases a barebones set of vinyl. More care and thought was put into the 20th anniversary TDS releases than this, and The Fragile is, to a lot of people, just as important as TDS.

    What I find a bit irritating is TR put out a fancy ass $300 set for Ghosts I-IV. Something that was kind of an oddity in terms of the discography. I spent $300, on that, and, while I don't hate it, it's something I barely listen to. If there had been a REAL definitive Fragile deluxe set, I have no doubt it would have sold out for real even at double the price of Ghosts.

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    The Fragile: Deviations 1 - Limited Edition 4xLP (Spring 2017)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    While I'm happy to finally have some more Fragile material in a physical form, and I'm not super bummed about the $80 I spent on it (though I can definitely see why people are upset), I'm more let down by the presentation. TR went on about details and shit, and then releases a barebones set of vinyl. More care and thought was put into the 20th anniversary TDS releases than this, and The Fragile is, to a lot of people, just as important as TDS.

    What I find a bit irritating is TR put out a fancy ass $300 set for Ghosts I-IV. Something that was kind of an oddity in terms of the discography. I spent $300, on that, and, while I don't hate it, it's something I barely listen to. If there had been a REAL definitive Fragile deluxe set, I have no doubt it would have sold out for real even at double the price of Ghosts.
    This is definitely a shot in the dark, but I wonder if there might be something else for TF for the 20th anniversary in a couple years. Maybe with the 5.1 mix if we ever see that. I am never totally sure what the actual market for these kinds of reissues are, since my own listening habits changed so much due to the internet (though I still really can't get into streaming), but it seems like 20th anniversaries have been big years for other 90s releases.

    I'd be surprised that he would bother to designate so much unreleased music as "instrumental" and tell us there are vocal tracks to these previously unheard tracks and then never release the vocal versions. We'll see.

    Trent and Atticus have been unusually busy since TSN. (And also Trent finally got married.) We've seen almost as many full length soundtrack releases in the past seven years than we have in the entirety of NIN's existence. On top of those, we had a new side project with heavy NIN overtones, a new album, and 3 EPs by the end of this year. So it doesn't surprise me that TFDE/D1 was a bit of an afterthought in comparison to what we got for TDS - though we still got way more unreleased stuff than we did for TDS.

    On a side note, Trent's work ethic since he got sober is seriously unfair. I am the laziest person on earth but he seems to have the work ethic and energy of several people in their 30s.
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    i bought a copy of deviations from another member of ets and got it in the mail today. i now understand the issues people are having with the lack of liner notes and lackluster packaging etc....but i am very happy to own this and am excited to listen on my home stereo

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    I haven't read this thread.
    But I took the time to listen to songs 01 to 18.

    Sorry if this has been brought up to anyone's attention but
    "Somewhat Damaged" is definitely an Alternate Version, instead of "Instrumental" version of the original.
    I am not listening to the acoustic drums passages, the song is extended, and the rhythmic synth noise by the end is not present on original.

    NIN should correct this to Alternate Version instead of labeling as Instrumental in further pressings (if they ever come up despite once it's gone it's gone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum550 View Post
    I haven't read this thread.
    But I took the time to listen to songs 01 to 18.

    Sorry if this has been brought up to anyone's attention but
    "Somewhat Damaged" is definitely an Alternate Version, instead of "Instrumental" version of the original.
    I am not listening to the acoustic drums passages, the song is extended, and the rhythmic synth noise by the end is not present on original.

    NIN should correct this to Alternate Version instead of labeling as Instrumental in further pressings (if they ever come up despite once it's gone it's gone).
    Same with lots of other of the songs (off the top of my head the wretched and WITT both have very different beginnings). The tag "instrumental" just means some version of the song had lyrics. The most interesting thing about the song titles is that many of the previously unreleased songs are labeled instrumental, which means they had lyrics at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Same with lots of other of the songs (off the top of my head the wretched and WITT both have very different beginnings). The tag "instrumental" just means some version of the song had lyrics. The most interesting thing about the song titles is that many of the previously unreleased songs are labeled instrumental, which means they had lyrics at some point.
    There are songs which have intros, but they are clearly a cut and not part of the song. They are edit outs.
    Missing Places is a clear edit off from We're In This Together.
    The Wretched
    has 4 measure of a guitar riff in the beginning, but this sample is used within the song, so it's clearly another edit out.
    Strangely some songs are expanded like The Day the World Went Away, but they use the same samples all over the music.

    However what I'm trying to point out is that Somewhat Damaged has lacking elements and addition of new elements to it.

    I don't think your theory for the "Instrumental" label stands because the instrumentality of these songs have the pop structure:
    verse + chorus + verse + chorus + bridge + [verse] + chorus + chorus, so they had been prepared for vocals since day of their birth.
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    It's not a "theory," it's a direct statement from trent.

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    Do words in brackets really mean a lot? Remember Ghosts where we only had numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenAkenobi View Post
    Do words in brackets really mean a lot? Remember Ghosts where we only had numbers?
    (version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    It's not a "theory," it's a direct statement from trent.
    In that case he got it pretty messed up.

    An alternative version has different element in the mix or absence of those.
    An instrumental version consists of the same song untouched without vocals.
    An edit/extended version consists of the same mix with longer measures in the bar but with no new elements to the mix.

    By saying that, the Edit and Extended words also have failed to appear in this box.

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    Here's Trent's original post on the subject. Maybe this will help clear up the issue here.

    Quote Originally Posted by teitan View Post
    When a track from Deviations says (Instrumental), that's because at some point that track had vocals on it. Those could be finished, a demo or just an outline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum550 View Post
    In that case he got it pretty messed up.

    An alternative version has different element in the mix or absence of those.
    An instrumental version consists of the same song untouched without vocals.
    An edit/extended version consists of the same mix with longer measures in the bar but with no new elements to the mix.

    By saying that, the Edit and Extended words also have failed to appear in this box.
    you are such a bummer, dude. i'm sometimes meticulous about things, but you are arguing with people about everything you possibly can, and so much of it is completely meaningless.

    as @BRoswell pointed out, trent specifically addressed this in the way he wanted to, and the description of the album as a whole is that it's an alternate version of the fragile.


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    I wonder if Quantum550 knows the full title of Something I Can Never Have version from Natural Born Killers

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    It's an alternate version of the Fragile, meaning some of the previously heard songs may have differences beyond just lacking the vocals.

    Here's a breakdown of the labeling:

    Instrumental: An earlier version had vocals. This version may or may not have differences.
    Alternate Version: The song was always an instrumental, but there are differences.
    [No Label]: The song was always an instrumental, and it was always this version.

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    Okay. Still doesn't make sense to me, but ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    ...and the description of the album as a whole is that it's an alternate version of the fragile.
    It's very clearly a deviation, sir.

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    It's not that fucking complicated

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    Found it at my local HMV store
    610 HKD = 78 USD

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    Got it from jpc.de for 49.99 €.
    So basically half of what I would've paid (with shipping), if I had ordered it from the nin store.
    At that price it went from a no buy to a must have for me.

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    Allmusic review of Deviations, in honor of its retail release today. Much more insightful and articulative than that clueless Pitchfork review from earlier in the year..

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-f...1-mw0003023769

    In late 2016, Trent Reznor issued a remaster of nine inch nails' classic 1999 double album The Fragile, as well as its counterpart, The Fragile: Deviations 1, a motherlode for the Fragile faithful and NIN completists. Comprised of 37 instrumentals (split into four LPs for the vinyl release), Deviations strips the originals of vocals, subtly reinterprets on "alternate" versions, and inserts a crop of brand new songs, creating a richer and more expansive journey. Even without Reznor's voice, the original self-loathing, seething rage, and hopeless despair still drip from every surface. The album's original textures, progression, and experimental instrumentation flourish in the spotlight, allowing the dense layers to come to the fore. Fans of Reznor and Atticus Ross' score work, as well as devotees of the Ghosts and Still instrumentals, should find much to appreciate here.

    For Fragile diehards -- who may find it difficult to turn off the parts of their memories that will no doubt sing along even without Reznor's voice -- Deviations is a thrill to dissect and examine in obsessive detail. Of the old material, there are plenty of highlights that emerge from the pack of standard instrumental versions. Meanwhile, the newly released tracks inject new life into the entity, allowing it to evolve like a living, breathing creature.

    Major changes occur when Reznor cleans the originals of static and dissonance, which allows the guitars to stab with cleaner thrusts, the drum hits to land like slug blasts, and the synths to bubble with even more melody.

    On side one, "Somewhat Damaged," "The Wretched," and "Just Like You Imagined" benefit most from this polishing. New additions include the beat-heavy "Missing Pieces," which serves as the new intro to "We're in This Together," and "The March," last heard on Saul Williams' Reznor-produced "Skin of a Drum." Side two kicks off with a reimagined "Even Deeper," a highlight that now includes a string section, and quickly descends into madness with the riff-heavy of "One Way to Get There," a Broken-meets-"The Perfect Drug" cacophony that slides nicely into "No, You Don't." The intensity continues on the skittering "Taken" before the noise falls away to reveal the beating heart of the original Fragile, "La Mer" and "The Great Below." The former is less funky on Deviations and the Creole-French whispers are gone, but the bass, drums, and piano are amplified. "The Great Below" remains devastating, even without Reznor's performance, the de facto end to part one. As a palate cleanser, a trio of new songs provides an interlude, pulling listeners from the abyss with the somewhat hopeful "Not What It Seems Like," the elastic "White Mask," and the paranoid swirling of "The New Flesh," previously heard as a CD B-side and extra track on the original vinyl pressing.

    On part two, Deviations wanders further into the hidden corners of the Fragile era. The first half of side three is home to the liveliest material, which follows an explosive "The Way Out Is Through" and extends to the funky "Into the Void" and the throbbing "Where Is Everybody?" "The Mark Has Been Made" is significantly different than the original, its jagged guitar and heavy distortion replaced by disembodied robo-gurgles and synths. The latter half of side three features the most changes on Deviations, from the standout "Was It Worth It?" -- reminiscent of the soundtrack cut, "Deep" -- to the "Please" addition "+Appendage," a drum jam originally found on the Fragile cassette. "Can I Stay Here?" and "10 Miles High" (aka "Hello, Everything Is Not OK") provide another buffer before the atmospheric closing run.

    The raw side four begins with the atmospheric "Feeders," an extended version of the noise originally found on the intro to "No, You Don't." Here, it serves as necessary foreplay to the oft-maligned single "Starfuckers, Inc.," which works much better on Deviations without the cringe-worthy lyrics and cartoonish rage of the original. The uncomfortable "Claustrophobia Machine (Raw)" is a percussion-heavy assault that bleeds into the disturbing "Last Heard From," an ugly stretch before the thrilling collapse.

    On the aptly titled "The Big Comedown," Reznor inserts more guitars and boosts the synths, adding samples of crowd screams that lift the original to new heights. After a newly extended start, "Underneath It All" ripples to life with the addition of crunchy guitars and more menacing synths, as overwhelming as anything on Broken's instrumental tracks. "Ripe (With Decay)" lays Deviations to rest with a more prominent beat that erases the sonic entropy of the original and persists until the abrupt coda.

    With over two hours of instrumental indulgence, this collection is quite the undertaking. Casual fans would be advised to delve into the original first before exploring this treasure trove, which is best appreciated with knowledge of its predecessor. As an expansion of Reznor's creative and emotional state during that period and evidence of how he's evolved since then, The Fragile: Deviations 1 serves as both a sonic time capsule and a reminder of one of NIN's most rewarding and underrated efforts.

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