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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    *Quietly purchases Pretty Hate Machine remaster LP off Discogs before demand starts surging*
    Honestly, Amazon still has it in stock. I was thinking of picking one up since the copy I had gotten from Discogs was in pretty poor shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanLoser View Post
    Honestly, Amazon still has it in stock. I was thinking of picking one up since the copy I had gotten from Discogs was in pretty poor shape.
    We're sure? I mean, my discogs order is done already and shipping to me, but...I had tried Amazon first, but when I hit the Vinyl tab, the cover art changes to the original LP art, which made me concerned that they seem to have consolidated the 2010 remastered CD and the record label reissue of the original LP under one product entry.

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    I forgot to include the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    We're sure? I mean, my discogs order is done already and shipping to me, but...I had tried Amazon first, but when I hit the Vinyl tab, the cover art changes to the original LP art, which made me concerned that they seem to have consolidated the 2010 remastered CD and the record label reissue of the original LP under one product entry.
    Yeah, I'm trying to figure that out, too. This product entry has the original artwork but says Bicycle and 2011 in the description. Moreover, the ASIN doesn't sync up with either release.

    The one saving grace is that Amazon is very good about refunding your order if you don't get what you were expecting, so there's not much risk in just getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanLoser View Post
    I forgot to include the link
    Huh. And then clicking the audio CD tab on THAT link shows an old CD.

    Amazon done fucked up lol

    Well, good to know if there's problems with mine. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond_J View Post
    First of all, thanks for the reply, really. .. the nin.com store states in its description that the Lost Highway
    vinyl is a 2016 remaster, which is clearly incorrect, because you and Discogs.com both say it's just a repress.
    I suppose it's possible there are some subtle differences on the vinyl itself; isn't there often a separate master used for vinyl pressing, to account for some of the sonic qualities of how vinyl does its thing? At any rate, we do know for sure that the digital files from nin.com are literally just the original CD versions, so you don't have to worry about missing out on that.

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    I notice, several 'sold out' vinyl is for sale again. Good luck!


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    I was curious if anyone recently picked up vinyl copies of the older releases, (PHM Remaster, Hesitation Marks, Ghosts or Gone Girl) -- If so, what type of digital downloads did you receive with them? I'm trying to figure out what the high-res downloads that they've made available with the store revamp, and if they've been updated from the files from when the albums were initially released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by witte View Post
    I notice, several 'sold out' vinyl is for sale again. Good luck!
    Thanks for the notice! Picked up my Lost Highway vinyl.

    A couple of tagging errors on the FLAC rips which came with that, btw - First off a missing end paren on Bowie's I'm Deranged (edit), and secondly (and far more amusingly), this is the apparent debut of the previously-unheard TR track Videophones; Questions. That error is in the filename as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracksfade View Post
    I was curious if anyone recently picked up vinyl copies of the older releases, (PHM Remaster, Hesitation Marks, Ghosts or Gone Girl) -- If so, what type of digital downloads did you receive with them? I'm trying to figure out what the high-res downloads that they've made available with the store revamp, and if they've been updated from the files from when the albums were initially released?
    They are previous releases. Downloads are FLAC CD rips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonsinthesky View Post
    They are previous releases. Downloads are FLAC CD rips.
    I bought the PHM release advertised as HIRES digital thinking it was 24/96. I already own the 2010 vinyl and CD so I asked to cancel and get a refund but haven't heard back yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguy View Post
    I bought the PHM release advertised as HIRES digital thinking it was 24/96. I already own the 2010 vinyl and CD so I asked to cancel and get a refund but haven't heard back yet.
    I bought it again thinking the same thing too. Oh well, can't hurt to have a back up copy.

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    Sorry if this had been asked already, but is there somewhere to hear the comparisons between the current releases and the 2017 remastered versions? I picked up The Fragile since it was the first offially released digital of the vinyl version, but trying to see if it is worth it for the others. I'm not too interested in the vinyl, but if the improvements are noticeable it would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckaroo View Post
    Sorry if this had been asked already, but is there somewhere to hear the comparisons between the current releases and the 2017 remastered versions? I picked up The Fragile since it was the first offially released digital of the vinyl version, but trying to see if it is worth it for the others. I'm not too interested in the vinyl, but if the improvements are noticeable it would be worth it.
    Depends on what you want. They have been re-equalized, they're louder (which is a blessing for an album such as Broken) without any clipping, but on the other hand some details become buried in the background.
    They sound great, especially Broken which had remained untouched since 92, but if you're te kind of fan that has become enamoured with the tiniest sounds and layers, they might disappoint a bit.

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    One clear advantage the new digital remasters have is that all the tracks are indexed correctly (ie. when started from the beginning, they will play from the very top of the song as opposed to starting before or after the downbeat), which is useful for playlists/shuffle mode/skipping around. Presumably, the new vinyl will use these index points as well, instead of adding fade-ups or cutting out segues between tracks where there's a break at the end of a side. Personally, I'm in favour of this standardization.

    But they really are pushed to the limit for overall volume; I found that on some tracks this sounded good, but on others it resulted in a few moments of unpleasant harshness. The overall tonality/equalization of frequencies is quite different for The Downward Spiral, particularly compared to the 10th Anniversary remaster from 2004. In this respect it is more similar to a rip I have from the original UK vinyl pressing from 1994, but with some extra "crunchiness" added from maximizing the loudness (even to the point of hard sibillance on the bridge vocal in "Ruiner").

    I may have to do a comprehensive comparison of every version after the new vinyl is out.

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    I picked up TDS today, my budget having recovered somewhat after the initial NTAE/Deviations 1/Fragile onslaught. I'm noticing a looooot of stuff for which I'd probably be better served typing as I listened; hi-hats during the Piggy drum breakdown being more noticeable, the sounds in the background during the opening Closer heart/drum beat seeming much quieter than on the 10th ann. edition, more bass drum during Heresy...it's definitely a different experience and does indeed veer towards the loud side of things, but not in a painfully headachey way. I can't wait to get a few more listens in.

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    I have a question, that has probably already been asked but at 23 pages fuck it I'll ask again. I have been buying the vinyls a little at a time basically I buy a couple every paycheck. I have noticed some get sold out and then they are available again. I have already bought NTAE in both versions, Deviations 1, The Fragile, Lost Highway, and Natural Born Killers. I really want Gone Girl and The Social Network, does anybody know if they will be made available again. BTW Lost Highway and Natural Born Killers already showed up and I didn't even get a shipping notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Name Here View Post
    I really want Gone Girl and The Social Network, does anybody know if they will be made available again.
    TSN vinyl was never available. It's a holdover from the old shop, like Ghosts deluxe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Name Here View Post
    I really want Gone Girl and The Social Network, does anybody know if they will be made available again.
    Unless you are hellbent on buying everything from the NIN store, you can get the GG vinyl from Importcds for about $23 and have it by the middle of next week..

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...6243597&sr=1-1

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    Well looky looky what I found @botley @Jon @Leviathant @seasonsinthesky

    (no butthurt intended, @Pbgut , I'm just suggesting you give the DE another chance is all...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by wizfan View Post
    Well looky looky what I found @botley @Jon @Leviathant @seasonsinthesky

    (no butthurt intended, @Pbgut , I'm just suggesting you give the DE another chance is all...)

    Mr. Self Destruct was like that too wasn't it? Had a weird looking waveform in the original and 2004 remasters but has a more standard looking one in the re-releases? I haven't got a copy of the old versions on my computer to check right now.

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    I know nothing about audio wave forms or anything so forgive me if I'm way, way off here. But aren't those sections of the remaster what they call a brickwall? And isn't that bad? I was under the impression that it's better to look like the top waveform than the bottom one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GibbonBlack View Post
    I know nothing about audio wave forms or anything so forgive me if I'm way, way off here. But aren't those sections of the remaster what they call a brickwall? And isn't that bad? I was under the impression that it's better to look like the top waveform than the bottom one.
    Although these masters are "brickwalled", they sound very good. That's why many of us have said you can't judge the sound of these just by the look of it (the waveform).

    As far as what was linked/fixed, essentially the top-end of the waveform should match the bottom of the waveform which it does not. I have no clue what happened, but the lower frequencies ended up "overpowering" the high end in the original mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GibbonBlack View Post
    I know nothing about audio wave forms or anything so forgive me if I'm way, way off here. But aren't those sections of the remaster what they call a brickwall? And isn't that bad? I was under the impression that it's better to look like the top waveform than the bottom one.
    That's on every NIN release, except the very early PHM-era CDs... it's only bad if it's not supposed to be there, like if an old analogue recording was originally released with lots of dynamics that were later ruined by a mastering engineer applying the 'brickwall' limiting to make it compete with the loudness of modern music. Some argue that the remastered Pretty Hate Machine CD suffered from this effect; I say it was simply brought into line with the rest of the NIN catalogue. The fact is, most modern pop/rock artists (including NIN) mix their tracks that way now and approve it, which is not inherently a Bad Thing.

    What @wizfan is pointing out is that the latter part of "10 Miles High" (and, as @Disassociative points out, the previous versions of "Mr Self Destruct") had a waveform that was offset from the remainder of the track, in its originally mastered form. Visually, it appears off-centre compared to the stuff before and after it, and while this leaves lots of space at the top, the bottom of the waveform is still hitting the peak of the window. Without getting too technical about it, this actually reduces the available dynamic range (think of a sheet of paper with a simple X-Y graph drawn on it; if you draw the axes of the graph even slightly off from the centre of the paper you can only go so far in one direction, so the range of your graph becomes more limited than if you had started in the middle). In the Definitive remaster, they were able to make that section of the song significantly louder by correcting the offset.
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    I noticed that the other versions of Mr. Self Destruct on Further Down The Spiral don't have that offset but the instrumental does. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    (think of a sheet of paper with a simple X-Y graph drawn on it; if you draw the axes of the graph even slightly off from the centre of the paper you can only go so far in one direction, so the range of your graph becomes more limited than if you had started in the middle).
    If you're having a hard time understanding... this is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disassociative View Post
    I noticed that the other versions of Mr. Self Destruct on Further Down The Spiral don't have that offset but the instrumental does. Strange.
    Good catch. It must be something to do with the way the underlying bass/percussion loops are mixed, if it's not present on the remixes. The most common way to get this kind of drastic offset is when you do 'bitcrushing' effects with a computer and then don't filter out the sub-bass frequencies when mixing. That definitely seems to be what's going on with "10 Miles High"; IIRC (don't have the CD in front of me to check), it's not present on the ever-so-slightly remixed Version from Things Falling Apart.

    I would suspect that Tom Baker was able to filter the problem sub-bass frequencies when he remastered those tunes, in order to correct the offset and exploit more of the available digital signal (and also to get more loudness on vinyl, which doesn't handle sub-bass or offset waveforms very well at all -- remastering the new vinyl without taking these precautions may have caused the needle to jump on playback or even during lathe cutting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Good catch. It must be something to do with the way the underlying bass/percussion loops are mixed, if it's not so on the remixes... the most common way to get this kind of offset is when you do 'bitcrushing' effects in the computer and don't filter out the sub-bass frequencies. That definitely seems to be what's going on with "10 Miles High"; IIRC (don't have the CD in front of me to check), it's not present on the ever-so-slightly remixed Version from Things Falling Apart.
    I'm off my computer and on my iPad now and can't confirm but that sounds right - i reripped all my CDs into lossless recently and from memory all the TFA tracks had standard waveforms (I had errors ripping some CDs so I started checking waveforms for skips or pauses to be safe) while the original 10 Miles High had the offset visible when I was splicing it into the version of The Fragile I had in iTunes until the remasters came out. Spent ages getting 10 Miles High to sync up with the end of TMHBM. Never sounded perfect - if I had headphones on I could hear the slightest little bit of audio jump. Made me very happy when I saw the DE had 10 Miles High and The New Flesh in their right places.

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    I remember being able to splice the CD single version of "10 Miles High" into the original CD ending of "The Mark Has Been Made", but it took a slight amount of cross-fading. You can get a similar effect with the Definitive Edition by starting "10 Miles High" about twenty-three seconds before the end of "Mark"; again, requires a bit of finesse with the cross-fade.

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