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    Not the Actual Wax Cylinder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    In a way he already is with his whole re-embracing of vinyl and even putting out NTAE on vinyl and bypassing CD. He is playing right into the hands of every bearded tight jeans vape smoking music blog reading hipster he so despises. If TR really wanted to be punk rock....he would put NTAE on a fucking CD..with a nice booklet to boot
    Maybe 10 years ago, but they sell records at Barnes and Noble's now. Cassettes seemed to be a boutique/urban/gentrified-only interest.

    And to be honest I betrayed my lower middle class roots and never really liked CDs either. I bought vinyl for the artwork and because it got me away from the computer.
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    Speaking of CD's, i spent my weekend going through my collection and selling off a large chunk to make space (they're mostly on my hard drive now anyway...and i haven't actually had a CD player for nearly a decade!) Keeping a select few (Special editions, one's with original packaging etc) but the rest are gone to help fund comic-con (i.e. wasted at comic-con)

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    Can anyone drop a line to Reznor, he's going to lose a huge opportunity:

    Christmas time coming and NIN could release CDs for Deviations 1, Not The Actual Events and the Third EP in one box for a decent price...
    Take into account that I was one of the people who ordered the LP for Not The Actual Events and preferred the cancellation of the order, due to the exhausting await.
    NIN lost money, they refunded me. But on the other way, since day 1 as Add Violence was available as a CD in CDUniverse.com, I made the order. Money for NIN.

    Being that said... why insist in vinyl-only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum550 View Post
    Can anyone drop a line to Reznor, he's going to lose a huge opportunity:

    Christmas time coming and NIN could release CDs for Deviations 1, Not The Actual Events and the Third EP in one box for a decent price...
    Take into account that I was one of the people who ordered the LP for Not The Actual Events and preferred the cancellation of the order, due to the exhausting await.
    NIN lost money, they refunded me. But on the other way, since day 1 as Add Violence was available as a CD in CDUniverse.com, I made the order. Money for NIN.

    Being that said... why insist in vinyl-only?
    deviations 1 was announced as a limited edition vinyl only. It won't be on CD. I don't understand though at all why NtAE isn't on CD. I'm wondering if it's just not profitable. You highlight "money for nin" but there's also "expense for nin" involved.

    And honestly I don't think that's a motivation anymore anyway. Not only is he at the point in his life where he's fine financially but music sales don't make artists much money. If he was making music for money, he would be touring more. His film scores and being an Apple corporate officer are where his real income is these days I'm sure.

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    Shoving an unrelated instrumental version of an almost 20 year old album in with a year-old EP and a third EP without the EP in the middle in the box sounds like a great way to lose money.

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    Hm... maybe you guys are right.
    But I mean... the fan cult base... will buy it.
    What's the problem with it?
    There will be income.
    And never toss money - I would say.

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    There will be revenue but will there be profit?

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    Or to put it another way - physical print comic books sell mostly to the hardcore fan base. And they buy them. There is revenue. But the cost of making them means that they get closer and closer to losing money (if not already there) every year and might not even exist eventually. The digital editions are still (I think - they're very tight lipped about those numbers) profitable. The movies and merchandising is lucrative. But physical print editions are on the way out.

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    CDs are cheap as f--k to press up. So the financial cost reason is pretty much null. Trent is spending A LOT more money pressing vinyl. And you can thank Sandbag for losing money by damaging every record they touch. If he wanted to press up a limited amount of CDs, he could easily do it and make money. The Prodigy are doing their own limited edition CDs and easily selling them out. Now those CDs are sought after for those that missed out. So I think Trent can do just fine with a couple of CDs.

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    I'm just confused that people still ask why there aren't CDs. Want them, sure, but Trent's made it clear since the mid-90s that he dislikes the format and has explained more than once his interest in and appreciation for vinyl. Ultimately if he wants to release his music exclusively on 8 track that's his prerogative whether it's my preferred medium or not. As it stands you can get NTAE on any digital platform within reason and on vinyl. It's easily accessible and there was already a limited physical art release that was infinitely more interesting than a digipak could have been. I get liking a format but acting like it's a mystery why the guy hasn't bothered with it much is weird.

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    But the financial gain argument is what I was getting at more than potential loss. Even if there is one it's not a big enough one to do it for that reason as the above person said. He's clearly not making the vinyl for financial gain but because its what he wants for his music.

    And keep in mind I'm not arguing against a CD release. If he releases one I'll buy it and I don't really understand why AV has one and not NtAE. The argument "why isn't he doing this and leaving money on the table" is one I don't think holds up.

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    I've been leaning toward AV just being a test, as someone might have mentioned here or on reddit. People were complaining about no CD since December, so he possibly released AV CD for the sole purpose of seeing how many people actually bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    CDs are cheap as f--k to press up. So the financial cost reason is pretty much null. Trent is spending A LOT more money pressing vinyl.
    That's my point. Thank you for complementing that.

    Want them, sure, but Trent's made it clear since the mid-90s that he dislikes the format and has explained more than once his interest in and appreciation for vinyl.
    I think it's time for Trent to go over Discogs and raise up some statistics about the NIN discography... of how many NIN CDs are on sale there, how many NIN CDs have been pressed and catalogued over there, and in which countries they have been made available, even when LPs were no longer pressed in some territories because of the CD market (for instance, LPs stopped being pressed in Brazil since mid 90's), how many owners of NIN stuff there are... that should be a small sample for a calculation and of course - CD will beat it hands down - it's a fact. After this aftermath, I think disliking the format should be kept to the intimate forum and not actually cast a disgrace over a simplified and much superior (and equally/sonically enough) format that CD is as a physical product.

    I've been leaning toward AV just being a test, as someone might have mentioned here or on reddit. People were complaining about no CD since December, so he possibly released AV CD for the sole purpose of seeing how many people actually bought it.
    I think I came up with that. If not me, it's another folk, but I do remember reading or writing this.
    If that was a test I did my part and purchased it on the release date.
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    If he released a 3 hour album of him banging on pots and pans and coughing into a microphone, the diehard portion of the fanbase will eat it up. If NTAE came out on CD, there will be enough people buying it to justify its release. For someone who usually seems very self aware of his core audience, not releasing NTAE on CD seems a bit clueless. Just release a limited fucking edition of it through nin.com. press 50,000 copies and say thats the only pressing. Buy it now because once it sells out, its gone forever....It will sell out in the 1st day...guaranteed

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    It's weird to see people saying "this musician should do something for the money" considering people shat all over Trent for working with apple on the basis of him being a "sellout" because of it.

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    Is this the music fan equivalent of bringing back coal jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    It's weird to see people saying "this musician should do something for the money" considering people shat all over Trent for working with apple on the basis of him being a "sellout" because of it.
    This is my entire point. I'll reiterate again that I'm not against a cd and will buy it the day it's on sale but "think of the money he's missing out on" is the absolute worst possible reason for doing so.

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    It's not that money is missing out.
    It is us fans missing the CD format not coming out.
    The money point is just a way of saying NIN won't lose a thing if they press these CDs.

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    Seriously guys, let's not derail this thread again.
    This is not coming out on CD. Live with it. Talk about the music or get the fuck out of here.

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    This is not coming out on CD.
    So you are the final spokesman for NIN.com.... I didn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum550 View Post
    So you are the final spokesman for NIN.com.... I didn't know that.
    Since you responded with sarcasm - you seem to have a prowess for completely missing the point.
    If you want to talk about that topic, there's another thread for you here. This is not the place.
    Last edited by poro765; 10-17-2017 at 08:14 PM. Reason: even linked the thread 4 u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    If he released a 3 hour album of him banging on pots and pans and coughing into a microphone, the diehard portion of the fanbase will eat it up. If NTAE came out on CD, there will be enough people buying it to justify its release. For someone who usually seems very self aware of his core audience, not releasing NTAE on CD seems a bit clueless. Just release a limited fucking edition of it through nin.com. press 50,000 copies and say thats the only pressing. Buy it now because once it sells out, its gone forever....It will sell out in the 1st day...guaranteed
    The Slip was a CD, limited to 250k.

    I don't believe it EVER sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post
    This is not the place.
    Wrong EP

    I'll just show myself out now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post
    Since you responded with sarcasm - you seem to have a prowess for completely missing the point.
    If you want to talk about that topic, there's another thread for you here. This is not the place.
    Well, what happens when you tell people to get the fuck off? Sarcasm is even a nicer way to address them.
    I have the prowess? Come on.
    The talk is about the issues coming out on CD. Not about CD media or its specifications.
    You pointing me to that thread makes you the person who is missing the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum550 View Post
    Well, what happens when you tell people to get the fuck off? Sarcasm is even a nicer way to address them.
    I have the prowess? Come on.
    The talk is about the issues coming out on CD. Not about CD media or its specifications.
    You pointing me to that thread makes you the person who is missing the point.
    That thread was divided from this thread because the exact same thing happened back then. Read through and you'll know what I mean.

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    I don't remember, did y'all complain this much when Capital G didn't come on CD? Or BYIT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    I don't remember, did y'all complain this much when Capital G didn't come on CD? Or BYIT?
    I personally don't care about CDs but I don't think it's equivalent to those releases, since it's an EP of totally original, new NIN songs. I could see how not releasing any other physical versions of TF1 could rub some people the wrong way, too, although nothing really prevents the content from being released in other sequences/configurations in the future. I'm pretty dependent on the computer/smartphone, so I almost admire everyone on here who has the willpower to resist them

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    The Slip was a CD, limited to 250k.

    I don't believe it EVER sold out.
    Thats why I said a limited pressing of 50,000 for the diehards....throw em a bone

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdean View Post
    I don't remember, did y'all complain this much when Capital G didn't come on CD? Or BYIT?
    We did, which is why Trent didn't give it a halo # (so collectors didn't feel the need to buy it just to have it) and I think he complained about it being a cash grab by Interscope to release it at all.

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