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Faceplams: Same here. Manson is a sick fuck. Fuck him.Originally Posted by eversonpoe
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Same here. Manson is a sick fuck. Fuck him.
Banned
Where in the globe are you?
I’m in Canada, and I’m interested in MA and HW.
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Understood and agreed. I was just saying he has exaggerated on dumb crap in the past before, and 158 texts and cut each time seems extreme even for a guy as emotionally immature as Manson seems to be. With him it is hard to tell what is reality and what is not. With Wood, pretty sure she is telling the truth and it doesn't take a lot to connect some dots.
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Fixed?
Fixed!
Talk about an odd couple. I’m guessing maybe she was really into him/his music/his band when she was young.
They most likely had sex. Excuse me while I go throw up now.
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Since she already put it out, would be nice for her to elaborate on who did it. Manson isn’t the only one she’s dated.
FATUM NOS IUNGET
The bloated fuck was playing casinos and shit at this point. Zombie's show would be miles better to see anyways lol.
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She did come out and say it was NOT Mickey Rourke, went as far as to clarify that they were never in a relationship. The time frame of about 10 years ago matches up with Manson and she hasn't said anything about him (positive or negative). Like the Twiggy thing, it took a while before he was actually named. So, I think it is only a matter of time here. Also, this could VERY well explain his melt down after Valentine's Day, as he might have been given a head's up that she was going to be speaking out about their relationship in the coming weeks.
But again, with this guy, it is difficult to tell if there is any truth to what he says or if it is just part of the act (if there really is/was one). Look at this interview below, it is filled with crazy talk and exaggerations. But are they?
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/f...hills-20150106
FATUM NOS IUNGET
He's been this way for the past 10-15 years...just always has to be on, always has to be soooooo witty. He basically turned in to a parody of himself. Back when he wasn't pure garbage, he'd constantly refute claims that he was trying to be shocking, that he was trying to be controversial. Always used the line that it was society that was shocking, he was a product of it, blah blah blah. Now that the world has moved on, he basically had to go 'Oh, well I guess I need to do that now.' and just started trying so damn hard it became like shtick.
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I find it very hard to believe that it’s just part of an act and doing it for shock value. I think the guy is damaged and hasn’t found a way out of his own hell.
Throbbing Member
So much for "The Long Hard Road out of Hell"...
Bad jokes aside, I'm definitely leaning more towards Rachel's side, because Manson is a fairly weird dude.
Unintelligible Whispering
Same. If they're not taken I'd be interested.
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Some weird ass shit i just read.
Though if i were to be completely honest, i too have thoughts of killing my loved ones too but not because im a psycho freak or anything, it's more of mental torture from my depression. I don't really like talking about it for obvious reasons.
I want Manson to get better. I hate seeing him like this...because ive seen this happen before...Scott Weiland for example...
He just really needs help
This Cannot Continue
Holy fuck! The fact that gets me is this was an interview, probably read by thousands of people...and nobody battered an eye.
This is so fucked up!
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If you’re not familiar with this you weren’t around for THEoL years I guess. That and EMDM both are all about him sleeping with ERW and being angry he’s broken up with ERW. They got engaged sidestage on one of THEoL tour dates after he did Devour, a song pretty transparent in its subject matter. This is the guy who sang “Confuse the way we abuse each other, if you’re not afraid of getting hurt then I’m not afraid of how much I hurt you.” He was a drama magnet saying dumb shit like “I hope I get blamed for more school shootings” and “I call women in the phone book and fuck them on plastic sheets” and “All of these lyrics were written on my bedroom wall” and other lame, 14 year old oh so edgy boy bullshit statements.
This is when he went drunk on one of those Dr. Drew radio shows and ranted about dick reduction surgery. His book has an entire section devoted to shitty things he did to women on tour and in his private life and he and Wood made a video where they fuck in a bed getting sprayed with blood and then he went and made a video where he beats a lookalike of hers to death. Dita never said much but I also don’t think someone like him would even try to abuse someone like her, considering she was grown enough to fully know what was and wasn’t alright and wouldn’t tolerate it most likely. Him getting with ERW always seemed like his way of getting a younger more impressionable victim because being with an established woman his age was too hard. He even said shit that tried to blame him cheating on Dita with Wood on Dita for not being “intimate enough” or what the fuck ever sad excuse it was. His whole depiction of their marriage was that he was expected to grow up and he couldn’t handle it. Just a couple months ago Wood wrote an essay anonymously mentioning someone she’d been with who was endlessly abusive and had a strong network of enablers who would protect them and make her feel like she was wrong for being miserable. It’s not hard to figure out who it was about, especially since this was when Manson was ass deep in his entourage of tryhards attempting to get magician and painting careers by association. All of 2 or 3 months ago he was going on about how women should be talking to cops instead of journalists in the whole Me Too movement, which either shows contempt with women speaking out or bare minimum an inherent lack of understanding of how the process works and why women feel compelled to be public about it in the first place.
I’ve always found it weird that he’s been given a permission slip for these things but I think A) a lot of people stopped paying attention during those albums and B) he’s always been the guy to make wild shit up just to get attention. Like 2 years ago he was bragging to some interviewer about his current girlfriend needing to lay with an icepack on her crotch because he fucked her so constantly. He’s always been trash with women and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he really did become a physically abusive piece of shit, but at the same time it’s odd that this comes as such a shock to people. He’s been singing and speaking about participating in abusive relationships in both directions, both being the abuser and being neglected, since he started writing songs basically, and while yeah, you can write a song and it not be about you, his interviews and patterns of behavior always made it clear it was more than fictional. He’s one of those people who has romanticized toxic relationships and equates suffering for someone with how much you love someone. I didn’t assume in the past that he was physically abusive but felt like no kept secret that he was at the very least a terrible partner and regularly engaged in misogynistic, sexist behavior. He spent an entire album depicting his younger girlfriend as Alice in Wonderland and using Lolita as a metaphor for their relationship and kept calling Lewis Carrol a pedophile in every interview under the sun for like 3 years. I can’t say it would surprise me, not that it wouldn’t disgust me or disappoint me.
Last edited by implanted_microchip; 03-07-2018 at 09:46 AM.
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Jesus that cutting stuff is appalling and cringeworthy. I find it hard to imagine an adult doing that, let alone bragging about it, let alone bragging to the media about it. But yeah the fact it didn't cause any ripples shows how quickly things have moved on
she/her/hers
managed to sell my copies of holy wood & mechanical animals ($200 & $225, respectively, which blows my mind)
anyone want The Pale Emperor (NM), Third Day Of A Seven Day Binge 10" (NM), & the Dead To The World VHS? free of charge, just pay me for shipping. i just want them out of my collection.
Billy Howerdel fanboy
I'll take them if no one is interested.
Unintelligible Whispering
This is very true, and I think another factor is that people tended to assume he was talking out of his ass and making shit up because blahdeblah rockstar persona. At the time I really thought he was really starting to play to the hot topic crowd. "Look how edgy I am, I cut myself".
So do we consider the lyrics to Heart-Shaped Glasses kinda troubling now or...
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Manson vinyl is worth over $200- WTF???
ls this like classic cars? They’re not much left, in demand, and people don’t really drive them but just collect them and make sure they’re in good mechanical/visual condition?
Starfuckers, Wink.
Curious. What were your thoughts over the years you've had DTTW on this?
(8:55)
Behold the morning star
The thing at the end was a film thing that he and his long time girlfriend missy did together. No real abuse was happening there. It was to “shock” people.
xScott
Mansons autobiography, which was full of stories of debauchery towards women, came out ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. This isn't anything new, and if you kept supporting him up until now, only to jump ship with these recent "alligations", then i question weather you honestly care about this stuff or your just hopping on the next trendy bandwagon.
Im just really getting sick of these outrage mobs, looking for the next "famous" person to tear down.
(im sure ill get attacked for posting this, so bring it on)
she/her/hers
ok, first of all, if you have ready anything i've written about on this board over the years, you would know that i'm not jumping on some trendy bandwagon. i'm a survivor of multiple sexual assaults as well as a four-year-long abusive relationship (where she continued to abuse me for another 7 months after we split). i'm extremely passionate and outspoken about this sort of thing, because i don't want anyone to have to endure the kind of shit that i did.
secondly, this was my first time ever hearing any stories from someone else's perspective, which indicated to me that, rather than being exaggerated for shock value (or completely made up), it seems that he blurred the lines between his stage persona and his actual person, which is very, very bad. had i found out about all of this shit with evan rachel wood back when it happened, i would have jumped ship then and there.
thirdly, what is wrong with holding people accountable and distancing yourself from them once you find out about awful things they've done? why do people get so up in arms about other people doing the right thing and calling out shitty behavior? why is it an "outrage mob" instead of "a group of people who don't want someone famous to get away with treating people horribly just because they're famous?" as soon as i found out about what jesse lacey had been doing, i couldn't listen to brand new anymore. all of it was tainted. a song would come on and i would immediately feel sick to my stomach. i was already on the fence with manson because of twiggy, and then when i found out about this, it was the same thing - i couldn't listen to the music without feeling sick.
so take your attitude and shove it, dude. if you've never been the victim of assault/abuse then you don't understand the helplessness and worthlessness that gets embedded into you. and if you have and you still have this attitude, then you need to be in therapy.
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Didn’t the autobiography have a caveat that 80% or so was fiction ? Also Rose McGowan dated him for some years and hadn’t accused him of anything like this so it seems to me like he became abusive once his career started going down the pan. That video where he beats to death someone who looks like Evan Rachel Wood is a big red flag though
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It is typical of the era (90s to early 00s). Not a ton of vinyl was produced during the time, so original pressings of bands that released vinyl records goes for a premium. NIN's Fragile used to command around $200-400 before the vinyl re-issue drove the market down. I can tell you that the Mechanical Animals vinyl is a beauty, had one record that was white and the other that was blue, there wasn't a ton of colored vinyl then so when you opened it for the first time is was really cool. I can't find the interview but Manson had said something to the effect that he feels that the past isn't something he would desire to revisit when he was asked about possible remasters or vinyl re-issues, so the Manson records will hold their value for a while. My guess is he knows if he were to remaster/reissue it would mean having to pay royalties to ex- band members he may not be on the best of terms with. So, it sucks for the vinyl collector but if you want Manson records, they cost a LOT. Holy Wood and Golden Age of Grotesque are very rare, and I think the "Lest we forget' is the most rare of them all.
Last edited by renton44; 03-11-2018 at 11:29 AM.
Captain Rustleboots
That whole time period was him just fucking the youngest looking girls he could find and be as rapey as possible. I have no fucking idea.
The Virus Inside
Probably realized that no women his own age would take him seriously enough to have a steady relationship with.
I can't help but think, how would Manson be now if him and Rose never split. Maybe he wouldn't be the mess of an artist he is now. I have a feeling that divorce was the beginning of the end for him.
House Always Wins
Rose McGowen or Dita Von Teese?
I truly believe 2004-2006 cease from music and Dita Von Teese destroyed his career.
The Virus Inside
Oh yeah, I forgot about dita von Teese, I always get those 2 mixed-up or sometimes think they were the same person lol.
But that's what I meant, if his marriage with von Teese never fell apart, he'd probably still be on top of his game. That shit hit him hard. Don't blame him, it's hard to recover from something like that.
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As I recall, the book contains descriptions of consensual s&m stuff. If you can't see the difference between that and the stuff erw is describing, then I'm not sure what to say
And what do you mean trendy bandwagon? Are you saying the recent wave of people (generally) coming forward with reports of abuse are just making it up, or that they're complaining about nothing
If these celebrities actually did these things, why on earth would you object to whistleblowing
