Girl fingering herself in the last video. Johnny having a 3 way with 2 girls in this video...real outside the box thinking in Mansons videos lately. Seems like hes putting as much effort into these videos as Motley Crue put into their vids
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Girl fingering herself in the last video. Johnny having a 3 way with 2 girls in this video...real outside the box thinking in Mansons videos lately. Seems like hes putting as much effort into these videos as Motley Crue put into their vids
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His face in this default video image instantly reminded me of...Originally Posted by ManBurning
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Pogo is going off again.
Such an asshole
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Yeah, I read that he's going after Kurt Cobain. What a dumbass.
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I think he's hilarious! With the Kurt thing he was saying that nicking riffs and becoming just another rockstar was what did kurt in
I think even if you find his mouthing off tiresome, the guy is in the right regarding manson and was pretty much the first person to call twiggy out, he deserves credit on those fronts
And yep he hawks his stuff on eBay which people look down on (whilst they toil in ignominy at crap jobs), but he has turned down various offers to cash in on his past (writing a book, even rejoining MM) because he is just done with it, and that kind of integrity is pretty rare
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Another has-been dope, struggling to stay relevant.
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Hang on...you're telling me that people are giving him shit for selling his own things on ebay?
I'll eat you.
About which time he said he wished Manson would die, get mutilated or kill himself?
What was it he said? "I want to be the tick in his side, the chigger", etc etc?
Integrity. Right.
We should honestly just fucking stop bringing his garbage up here. If he's not legitimately of unsound psychological health, he's a manchild crying for attention.
He's perfectly entitled to sell whatever he wants, it's his stuff, but the way he talks, whatever he did put out as a book wouldn't be fit to wipe anyone's ass with.
Last edited by Shadaloo; 11-22-2017 at 11:04 AM.
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Yeah I've seen it a few times
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Well to be fair manson did completely stitch him and various other members of the band up... how is complaining about that a sign he lacks integrity? Somebody ending your career is a big deal... I mean here you are complaining about his online posts and casting aspersions on his mental health and character... do you consider that a stain on your own integrity? You're both trash talking people you're displeased with, the difference being pogo actually knows the person he's dismissing & suffered greatly by his actions. I guess we see things differently. I agree it's unbecoming to air dirty laundry in public, but questioning integrity is a bit far. I mean how does it illustrate that he is untrustworthy or hypocritical. Maybe we define the term differently.
I'll eat you.
Wishing a violent death on someone is a far fucking cry from wondering if someone is legitimately disturbed or just an asshole. And that's all I'm doing, and no, I don't believe that reflects on my integrity in the slightest. All I can do is call 'em as I see 'em with the information I have available to me. So here I go:
You seem to suggest Manson kicked Pogo out or is responsible for being where he is now - as far as I'm aware it was Pogo who stopped returning his calls and became convinced Manson was a Nazi because he collected Nazi memorabilia around the EMDM period. I understand that the guy's got Jewish heritage so he'd have every right to be offended by that, but from there, from all I can tell, any attempts by Manson to patch things up have been met with spite and derision, spiraling down into facebook death-wishes.
So I don't see how any of that's got anything to do with where Pogo took himself after the split, whoever is responsible for it. Gidget Gein and Zim Zum did their own art-house projects after they left the band, Daisy joined JOJ and had his Three Ton Gate project, Ginger and John 5 are now doing rather well with Rob Zombie. Twiggy got involved with a ton of stuff as we all know, for whatever that's worth to anyone these days. None of their departures from Manson prevented them from having some kind of career in music or art independent of the guy.
Pogo started a project called "MMII" - seriously, where's the integrity in that? - and seems to have left music after that went nowhere.
And that is a giant fucking shame to me because I will be the first person to come forth and say he had a huge hand in shaping the ethereal layers of the band's sound. Minute Of Decay live in 1997 was a beautiful thing. I have no fucking clue why he never joined another band or contributed his talents to something, anything, because he was good at what he did. He couldn't get over his own association with Manson and move forward, and just stopped. And I don't see how he can blame Manson for that.
So that's what I see now - a talented but extremely bitter man who can't let go of his own anger, who rebuffs attempts to patch things up, whose only foray into something independent was inextricably tied to his prior band, who now grumbles and utters death-wishes. And I see no integrity in that, just a pitiful display. He can complain all he wants, but actively wishing death on another human being is utterly despicable and the word 'integrity' has no place where that kind of behavior is concerned.
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I remember reading the papers from the court case and as I recall (could be wrong), manson retained some of the money earned by partners (rather than members) of the band for investment or something, pogo started asking for the cash and one day arrived at the band's lockup but was denied entry and told he was sacked. Manson subsequently denied he was a partner, which as I recall (could be wrong), was actually disproved in court. I wish I could remember where I read all this!
As for stitching up other members, he unceremoniously booted skold because him and twiggy don't get on, he publicly bashed daisy and zim (unprofessional and uncalled for), was generally a cock to John 5 and ginger (ginger got paid fuck all), has assaulted various band members numerous times (many times on camera), made trent out to be unprofessional and unhelpful in his book (incredible), the list goes on... It's no secret the guy is a bell-end!
I think maybe we define the term stitch up differently... I don't mean to say he hamstrung any of these people or ruined their careers, just that he treated them badly. Also I'm not blaming manson for what pogo did (or didn't do) after his exit from the band - in fact I did state he rebuffed MM of his own accord
At the end of the day MM has always seemed to be on a mission to replace the partners in the band with employees who get paid less
I think it's a massive shame pogo has given up on music and I count MM as one of my favourite bands, but as far as I know all this stuff is true and it does paint a picture
I'll eat you.
Okay, fair enough. Regional differences, stitch-up isn't part of my lingo
You're never going to hear me deny that Manson treated his bandmates like shit; there's way too much evidence of that for anyone to deny. I'm glad he got his money, but fucking over Ginger too - that's a detail I was unaware of. Ugh.
I do maintain this: The only person responsible for where MM is now versus where MM was in their heyday is Manson himself - Marilyn Manson as a band effort died with GOAG in my book. He singlehandedly alienated almost every single person who helped him get to the top, no doubt about that. At some point, he chose to become a rockstar caricature.
But these days he seems to be trying to turn that around. He's on good terms with Trent again, was with Daisy before he passed, supposedly is with John 5 too.
I'd like to believe he learned humility after stumbling a few times and it comes from a good place. I wouldn't blame any of them for not working with him anymore though.
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Had no idea he patched things up with Trent! That's great...
I think he got too ruthless... I find it hard to believe he imagined in the early days that they would ever be a #1 selling band - a respected cult curio, sure. So when he got a whiff of bigtime success he started getting pretty cutthroat. Unfortunately his brand of schtick was pretty much on the cusp of going out of date.
I've not been head over heels for anything he's done since MA (although I felt EMDM was underrated and nicely low key), but I still believe he could do something awesome again. And yep he patched up with daisy admirably, even paying towards his treatment
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He’s not done with it, he still hasn’t got over it and keeps on talking shit. He has the right to do whatever he wants, but what is showing from his social media activity is pride and douchebaggery, not integrity.
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Heaven Upside Down is a quite pleasing listen. I mean, sure, it's basically a Tyler Bates album with Manson on vocals, but he's been making the best-sounding and most interesting MM music since Holy Wood. Manson himself sounds like he's enjoying it a lot, just like The Pale Emperor. Overall, not a bad way to spend 47 minutes.
Last edited by wizfan; 11-26-2017 at 02:07 AM.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...n-concert.html
Manson looking like everyones uncle these days. fat belly, glasses and a walker
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We're only human.
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Seiously.
Was expecting the click bait to be a lot worse. He's hot a broken leg- gotta get around somehow. Looks far from grotesquely overweight. Lot of things we can make fun of about the guy, but getting older and needing glasses isn't one of them.
Also really liking the new album more and more. Pleasant surprise of the year.
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A walker instead of a wheelchair... he’s recovering and I’m happy for him.
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Yeah, regardless of whatever stupid shit he does, massive respect to the guy for getting up there in front of thousands of people on a physically demanding tour with an injury.
Behold the morning star
This guy is edgy. So sharp.
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Besides, none of my uncles look like that at all.
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Do you have respect for him for getting up in front of thousands of people (who paid hard earned money for tickets) totally wasted/drunk/high and putting on shitshow performances? Because thats basically what hes done every single live show post 2007.The ironic thing is this injury might actually force him to go onstage sober which is a whole new experience for him. Maye he'll learn something from it all
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You're suggesting to me that this multimillionaire, world-famous man has not been prescribed an Alpo-sized can (or two) of opioids for the inevitable pain during his recovery or that he'll use them responsibly/abstain from using them during concerts?
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Jokes aside, I watched a YouTube video of his live from November 17th, 2017 and he actually sounded pretty good. I guess standing in place gives more energy to sing and less exhaustion from "trying" to move around on stage and laze about.
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I feel like the difference just between this and the GGG tour is drastic in terms of his vocals. Really wish I'd been able to catch this tour back in the day.
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Just bought Mechanical Animals earlier and giving it a listen before i sleep.
Ill post my thoughts when o wake up later
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perspective changing album...what they were able to do from antichrist to mechanical was amazing. both perfect albums and both drastically different.
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Well then you aren't gonna enjoy how i feel about it.
And you guys are especially gonna hate why i don't really like it.
This album...for the most part...didn't really do much for me. It's not bad, not bad at all but...apart from a few songs...i just couldn't get into it very much.
I love Great Big White World and The Last Day On Earth and i cannot not for the life of me get Coma White out of my head...goddamn that's a great song and the other two "hit" singles were solid too but...everything else...i was just...kinda meh.
Now the reason for why I don't like it...which you guys are probably gonna burn me alive for saying it.
I never got into Bowie....
Yeah I said it, i could never get into Bowie...believe me, I tried...and im pretty sure that reason alone is why i didn't really care much for Mecha animals.
Im still gonna give Holywood a chance though, but so far i think Antichrist is better...but not by much...sorry?
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