Brussels attacks

[reznovka]

There's never 100% safety and we have to choose between freedom with dangers or a police state.
Germany had 528 attacks on refugees in 2015 and their homes and we had the NSU (national socialist underground) which killed 11 people over years and it's a national scandal because the security service knew about them and didn't stop the group, no they had undercover agents in the wider circles of the group and gave them money.
When the group died the files about them disappeared/got shreddered. Our police always acts against leftist groups and burning luxury cars or the riots on the 1st of may but is blind on the right eye and doesn't give a shit about a dead arab or people rioting in Heidenau (german city) for 2 whole days in front of a refugee camp.
All of this is terror too, self brewed and accepted because it only targets foreigners.
We have problems with albanian family gangs and turkish assholes but just as much as with neo nazis and other german assholes.
I am 100% pro asyl and even I know that there'll some assholes on the way to Germany. They're still just people and to quote Slipknot "PEOPLE=SHIT" - everywhere, there are no better people or worse just by the place they were born. and just because I got lucky and was born in Germany I am not allowed to keep others out and accept their shitty life. We have one single planet and one mankind. We should at least try to make it as good as possible for everyone.

[Volband]

I am 100% pro asyl and even I know that there'll some assholes on the way to Germany. They're still just people and to quote Slipknot "PEOPLE=SHIT"

I can agree to this once you will have a plan to house and employ them all. Until then, you are not only letting in assholes as well, who are eating the same free food which the ones in need get, but it also turns the normal migrants into "assholes", because even they are rioting because of the incompetence of the governments, and don't forget the news next day with headlines like "Migrants with free shelter and free food are rioting!!", which in return annoy the shit out of your citizens.

there are no better people or worse just by the place they were born.

This, however, is simply not true, except for infants. The culture, family and the people you are raised by and grow up with influence you a lot. Even social stereotypes are based on this. People are not equal, and if you know where a person was born, to which ethnicity, who were their parents, where did they live, you can take a very safe educated guess as to whether he or she belongs to the better or the worse people.

[reznovka]

People are not equal, and if you know where a person was born, to which ethnicity, who were their parents, where did they live, you can take a very safe educated guess as to whether he or she belongs to the better or the worse people.

Wow...

I won't do it, but I you know what I was about to say...

[Volband]

Wow...

I won't do it, but I you know what I was about to say...

All right, let's play a game:

Here's Marcel. He's from an ethnicity which is notorious for being prone to commit crimes (even at a young age) and for being undereducated - which ethnicity I'm talking about can change from country to country. He lives with one parent, this parent finished 6 years from primary school out of the required 8. Marcel has 7 brothers and sisters. They are very poor.

Here's Thomas. Thomas is white, his father teaches at a university while his mother is in a high position at a bank. They both have more than one college degrees and they live a more than comfortable life. Thomas has a little brother, 8 years younger than him.

Let's say one of them is about to finish med school, and the other one was just released from jail for the 3rd time. Now your world is such where nonsense as predestination (not the religious one) is unthinkable, so you would be offended by the question, and if you were forced to answer, you would say it's OBVIOUSLY coinflip, so that's what you would do, flip a coin. Now me, the evil guy would put up all my savings - based on by basic understanding of how society works - on the answer that Thomas is the one with the incoming med degree. Do you think I'd win?

Now, whether these people can be called "worse"... I mean, a doctor has the same rights as a street thug, but such discussion is better suited to have among friends in privacy, and not out of the open, on the Internet, where you have to cosplay as r_z and talking about living together in harmony and other utopistic hippy stuff.

And if you meant I implied that we should get rid of these "worse people"... I did not. The goal should be to alleviate their burden, so 30-50-80 years from now no one has to be born into crime and uneducation.

edit: LMAO, messed up the name first. maybe karma got to me

e2: btw you don't need Godwin's law to predict that a discussion about ethnics, ethnic terrorists and Germany will have the Nazi regime surface in one way or another.

https://www.facebook.com/refugeestrikebo/
Like I said, I know that it's easy to speak from my point of view because life is easy in Germany.

It's not actually true. I mean, it's your country having no idea what to do with the refugees (while accepting in the most), so in a certain way, it's the toughest be from Germany when discussing the migrant situation. Whether you somehow miraculously manage to settle things or have to walk around burning cars in the end does not affect my peaceful mornings. As long as your economy holds, we are fine here.