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    Dave Itzkoff from the NYT: I thought The Last Jedi was the first Star Wars movie since ROTJ-maybe Empire-to genuinely move the ball forward. Doesn’t keep the mythology preserved in amber-it’s reverent but not just riffing on what came earlier. And it’s not afraid to break stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    I've had my ticket for Thursday night for a month now. I'm officially in hype mode.
    i keep forgetting and then suddenly blurting out "OH MY GOD I'M SEEING STAR WARS ON THURSDAY"

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    Heading out to the IMAX 3D on Friday night...but off for practically a month on holidays as of tomorrow. Going to have to go legit dark off the internet for like 48 hours haha.

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    I've been so swamped with work that I somehow missed that this is coming out on Friday. Wow. I'll be on break soon, so I'll have to see it then.

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    Just came back from watching it. Amazing. Some echoes from the original trilogy but definitely a step in a new direction. Very well done! People at my theater clapped at two very particular moments, when Spoiler: Kylo Ren brings down Snoke, and when it is revealed that Luke stayed in the island during the showdown with Ren. Also, really good to see Yoda make an appearance.

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    I'm so excited! Seeing it twice today!!

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    I’m seeing it in IMAX 3D at 9:30 tonight, and then again tomorrow night (regular format).

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    Already have tickets to take various family members thrice this weekend, starting tonight. I'm barely able to contain my excitement at this point, mere hours away!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cahernandez View Post
    Just came back from watching it. Amazing. Some echoes from the original trilogy but definitely a step in a new direction. Very well done! People at my theater clapped at two very particular moments, when Spoiler: Kylo Ren brings down Snoke, and when it is revealed that Luke stayed in the island during the showdown with Ren. Also, really good to see Yoda make an appearance.
    I'm seeing it tomorrow. So jealous of those seeing it today. Curious to know what your thoughts on TFA were/are and how you feel it compares to that one.

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    Seeing it tonight because I was asked to go with someone. Haven't even seen The Force Awakens. Guess I'm lucky I have the bluray in my possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Beach View Post
    Seeing it tonight because I was asked to go with someone. Haven't even seen The Force Awakens. Guess I'm lucky I have the bluray in my possession.
    you should, uh, probably watch that before you see the new one

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    you should, uh, probably watch that before you see the new one
    Oh, I am. I'm currently waiting on my cousin who also is going that hasn't seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    I'm seeing it tomorrow. So jealous of those seeing it today. Curious to know what your thoughts on TFA were/are and how you feel it compares to that one.
    I thought TFA was really good (but not great) but relied too much on the old Trilogy. This one is better in that respect, the third act and climax are a unique thing...characters introduced in TFA get even more developed...the nostalgia factor is almost completely gone here. In general, I thought The Last Jedi was a better movie than TFA, but not by far.

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    Star Wars Episode VIII

    Here comes unpopular opinion.

    The last Jedi was good, but not great. A bit too jokey at times, and one part felt prequel bad for me.

    New character was fucking annoying. Sorta new character was a waste. Old character from the force awakens, made him a fucking dumbass.

    But. There more highlights than bad ones for me. One scene in particular made me say woah out loud. And smiled those couple of minutes of that screentime.

    I guess my expectations were too high this time.

    Force awakens was a better movie and this for me sits just slightly above revenge of the sith.

    My feelings might change on a second viewing. But me and pops both came out mostly discussing negatives than positives.

    7/10

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    The first third of Star Wars struggled pretty bad, I almost hated it, there's a lot of what we hated about the prequels in there. Extraneous characters, CGI toilet humor, emphases on "woops"-driven, mindless action. There's a bit of Marvel's infamous undercutting of big moments.

    The rest of it is great, loaded with surprising, controversial moments. The film likes to challenge some of the series long standing logic. The best of these surprises, a maturing moment for the series, is hampered by cold feet, but this movie was still much better than VII and I'm sure will mostly be remembered fondly. It has everything you came to the party for.

    A few of the early reviews I read called it "the best since Empire!". I don't know if I'd go as far as to call it better than "Return Of the Jedi" or even "Rogue One," which I was big fan of, especially given that the former was still able to craft some of its own iconography, still ripe with new ideas. I've been thinking lately about the way the prequels, for all of their pop cultural villainery, lives in our collective memory as memes (maybe in much the same way as "The Room") which goes to show that while those movies weren't very good, that we're at least very memorable and even original. For all that the new trilogy, so far, is much more character driven, and focused, I dont know that it will live on the same way as either of those trilogies, even as this one relies less on borrowed structural and visual components.

    *Edit*
    I'm glad someone else got the prequel vibe. I really think that ENTIRE subplot should have been cut to give attention to important, neglected story elements. This is an inflated version of an issue from VII

    Spoiler: . Rey's power continues to not feel earned, and she doesn't actually have much of an arc. Really only Luke and Poe have arcs here. They should have cut the whole casino part, which ended up doing nothing, and giving that time to Rey/Luke

    Leia is saved by her own Jedi powers so that she can spend the rest of the movie lying in bed, and then do little else. It's a waste of Fisher's final performance.

    They unceremoniously kill off Admiral Ackbar.... Wtf???

    I'm glad they killed off Snoke, an uninteresting villain, but I'm sad that Kylo Ren stayed evil. It would have been nice to see just one person healed back to light. Of course, this would have left us without a villain. I don't know how to reconcile that.

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    There def. was some goofy stuff, but the "that was badass" & "that was ballsy" moments outweighed them and made the movie a success overall. Agree that it has plenty of hints to Empire, the rebels being beaten up badly, and just plain being the middle film, but enough new ground was covered to def. make it feel like it's own thing. Not a soft reboot like Force Awakens.

    - I thought Laura Dern was ALARMINGLY mis-cast. Stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

    - Can someone explain the logic of the character that Finn & Rose meet in the cell? Was he a plant?

    - Anyone else feel like the CGI looked kinda poor at times in this compared to Force Awakens & Rogue One? I felt like we got alot less animatronics, and certain things just looked dumb if you really looked at them, like the "crystal critters" & the porgs.

    - Well done Mark Hamill.

    - agree about Carrie Fischer. Was expecting alot more.

    - The score was absolutely beautiful.

    - Adam Driver is doing what is asked of him and doing it well. That being said, his tantrums and overall attitude betray his age. He is too old for this role, and looks it. Especially compared to Rey/Ridley. I think it would pay off better with a younger looking actor, but too late now.

    - the red salt planet & the snow are just beautiful. Could watch those scenes for days. And I like how they explained the speeders, and therefore why it makes sense that they do that badass-looking skimming along the top of the snow/red salt.






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    - Was disappointed in the complete lack of fleshing out, backstory etc to the overall struggle, the First Order, who Snoak was, etc. I am curious about some basic facts about this war that we're witnessing, and we get none. And then Snoak gets yoked, and we learn absolutely nothing about him. Where the fuck did he come from? How did he rise to be the top dog? Maddening.

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    I really enjoyed it. Agree the first 3rd is a bit slow and tedious, but once that's done...it's nothing but class!

    That snow/salt planet was just awesome to watch!

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    I hated it. Seriously. I thought TFA was bad but this takes it to a new level.

    There were three great scenes:

    Spoiler: - Yoda
    - Destroying Snoke's ship with lightspeed
    - Throne room battle


    Only the first of those three scenes managed to capture the magic of the OT ... other than that there's simply too much fucking Disney in this. It outright felt like a Marvel movie at times. The first third was especially awful because there were no serious moments whatsoever, everything had to be built around a fucking joke.

    It feels like Johnson hated what Abrams did with Episode 7 so he threw almost EVERYTHING out of the window. Spoiler: Snoke's death was great and really unexpected but it still leaves the same questions: Who is he? What is his back story? And most importantly: Nobody every explained why there was a map to Luke Skywalker in Episode 7 – who created the map, and why? And how?! You can't just expect everyone to accept bad plot devices as simple facts.

    I feel cheated because the new movies fail to explain what's happening beyond "there are bad guys and we have to defeat them". Like, why wasn't the Empire defeated in the first place? After Episode 7 I hoped they would explain why the events of Episode 6 doesn't matter -- but I guess that's too much to ask for.

    To me it feels like they're just piling shitty ideas on top of each other to sell more toys and to be able to make more movies. Fucking hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niggo View Post
    I hated it. Seriously. I thought TFA was bad but this takes it to a new level.

    There were three great scenes:

    Spoiler: - Yoda
    - Destroying Snoke's ship with lightspeed
    - Throne room battle


    Only the first of those three scenes managed to capture the magic of the OT ... other than that there's simply too much fucking Disney in this. It outright felt like a Marvel movie at times. The first third was especially awful because there were no serious moments whatsoever, everything had to be built around a fucking joke.

    It feels like Johnson hated what Abrams did with Episode 7 so he threw almost EVERYTHING out of the window. Spoiler: Snoke's death was great and really unexpected but it still leaves the same questions: Who is he? What is his back story? And most importantly: Nobody every explained why there was a map to Luke Skywalker in Episode 7 – who created the map, and why? And how?! You can't just expect everyone to accept bad plot devices as simple facts.

    I feel cheated because the new movies fail to explain what's happening beyond "there are bad guys and we have to defeat them". Like, why wasn't the Empire defeated in the first place? After Episode 7 I hoped they would explain why the events of Episode 6 doesn't matter -- but I guess that's too much to ask for.

    To me it feels like they're just piling shitty ideas on top of each other to sell more toys and to be able to make more movies. Fucking hell.
    “ it out right felt like a marvel movie at times.”

    This statement couldnt be any more accurate.

    Some of Luke’s humor was just so out of character. I felt like I watching Mark Hamil and not Luke Skywalker.

    And just the humor in general was just cringey( with poe over the loud speaker talking to empire ed shereen. )

    I think what these movies are lacking is the style of how the dialogue is delivered. These new movies just make it seem way to modern and takes me out of the universe. i wish they would write character dialogue like they did with the original 3, but not stale delivery of the prequels.

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    Ahh, hearing it’s too jokey makes me wary. Consider my expectations curbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conan The Barbarian View Post
    Here comes unpopular opinion.

    The last Jedi was good, but not great. A bit too jokey at times, and one part felt prequel bad for me.

    New character was fucking annoying. Sorta new character was a waste. Old character from the force awakens, made him a fucking dumbass.

    But. There more highlights than bad ones for me. One scene in particular made me say woah out loud. And smiled those couple of minutes of that screentime.

    I guess my expectations were too high this time.

    Force awakens was a better movie and this for me sits just slightly above revenge of the sith.

    My feelings might change on a second viewing. But me and pops both came out mostly discussing negatives than positives.

    7/10
    Which characters are you talking about here? And which scene did you think it was prequel bad (I'm guessing it's the casino scene)?

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    Think it's safe to assume the films has split fans, least on here anyway (not necessarily a bad thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cahernandez View Post
    Which characters are you talking about here? And which scene did you think it was prequel bad (I'm guessing it's the casino scene)?
    I dont want to spoil anything, but my prequel bad moment was that entire casino sequence. All of it.

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    i feel like people are being way too harsh on this movie. i thought it was fucking brilliant. it was amazing to be watching a movie that felt so STAR WARS but also felt new, and different, and like a rian johnson movie.

    the humor was perfect, in my opinion, to balance the more dramatic and upsetting moments. Spoiler: it was especially hilarious when luke literally just threw the lightsaber away, after the buildup from the end of TFA, and we spent two years wondering what would happen. it was like rian johnson saying, "oh, your expectations for this movie? yeah, i'm throwing them out." and he really did, which was fantastic.

    also, like with TFA, i started crying as soon as the opening crawl began. i cried so many times as the movie progressed. a lot of things hit me really hard.

    Spoiler: yoda showing up was completely unexpected, and it was so refreshing that he was muppet yoda and not fucking CGI. that was one of many moments where i gasped loudly.

    i can not wait to see it again.

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    Phew... just came back and I am very very 50/50 over this one.

    There were some absolutely great moments, one time even made me almost tear up, but then there were things that were so off putting and unnecessary that I could only shake my head in disbelief.

    Things I loved:

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    - the space battles in general with the destruction of Snoke's base which was done in a really really cool way I think
    - the soundtrack was great as always with the little cues popping up just at the right time all over the movie
    - Justin Theroux was a nice surprise but nothing memorable
    - most of Mark Hamill's performance
    - I love the fact that Rey is a nobody which finally puts those damn fan theories to rest
    - Poe having more to do this time around, the real hero of the story for me in this movie
    - the battle in the throne room with Rey and Ren working together
    - I liked Del Torro's character very much actually and wish he was in the movie longer
    - Luke's demise, cheesy as it was, really had some soul IMHO
    - Andy Serkis played Snoke's character very well, loved the vocal delivery, yet this character seemed rather useless again
    - I liked the overall fact that this movie was rather unexpected, whether or not I liked the choices being made
    - the dark-side cave had me intrigued and although I did expect a little more I still liked the way they did it
    - the fact that I have absolutely no idea how they are going to finish this trilogy


    Thinks I disliked:
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    - Leah going all Superman is the most cringeworthy thing I have seen in cinema in my life, the scene would have been so much better with her floating in space, twitching one last time, make a cut to Luke and have her die
    - Laura Dern
    - the overuse of the Porgs
    - some really useless and overblown CGI, less is sometimes more
    - the overall tongue-in cheek humour between Ren and Hux as well as Luke's stupid comments every now and then, especially "see you around kid" line...
    - Yoda felt akward although they did him justice I guess
    - the question remaning who the fuck Snoke really was or is?
    - not enough of Captain Phasma although they somehow promised to give her more of a back story afaik
    - Rose's character... what was it good for?
    - although I liked him Del Torro was also quite useless
    - what was that canon on Craith good for despite reminding me of megalomaniac Wunderwaffen of WW2 and intimidation of the rebels?!
    - I suppose every single character from the OT besides Chewbecca and the droids will end up dead by the end of Episode IX?


    Anyhow, I'm glad I caught this on the big screen. Movies like this are meant to be seen that way and the atmoshphere in general felt amazing at times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    it was amazing to be watching a movie that felt so STAR WARS but also felt new, and different, and like a rian johnson movie.
    I might be taking you too literally on that but how can you say that about a director with only three other movies in the can which are fairly different in themselves and especially to Star Wars? No bad feelings though, but maybe I missed something. Couldn't really see his handwriting and I haven't recognized one so far by Johnson.
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    Star Wars Episode VIII

    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    i feel like people are being way too harsh on this movie. i thought it was fucking brilliant. it was amazing to be watching a movie that felt so STAR WARS but also felt new, and different, and like a rian johnson movie.

    the humor was perfect, in my opinion, to balance the more dramatic and upsetting moments. Spoiler: it was especially hilarious when luke literally just threw the lightsaber away, after the buildup from the end of TFA, and we spent two years wondering what would happen. it was like rian johnson saying, "oh, your expectations for this movie? yeah, i'm throwing them out." and he really did, which was fantastic.

    also, like with TFA, i started crying as soon as the opening crawl began. i cried so many times as the movie progressed. a lot of things hit me really hard.

    Spoiler: yoda showing up was completely unexpected, and it was so refreshing that he was muppet yoda and not fucking CGI. that was one of many moments where i gasped loudly.

    i can not wait to see it again.
    I liked the movie, I just didn’t feel like it was a great movie. And yes online some people are being way to harsh, the movie isn’t trash. Just the choices they made I felt were questionable.

    Im one of those cryers in movies. And this one didn’t even make me feel that way, when a certain someone popped up, it almost got me there.

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    Hell god baby damn no etc...this was a frustrating film.

    It's...a great movie, but it's not a great Star Wars movie, if that makes any kind of sense.

    Spoiler:
    Some people are out there claiming Rian Johnson has done more damage to the franchise than Lucas ever dreamed of, etc etc. yada yada. I don't agree with that at all; there is NO character assassination to be found in this film. However, I do feel that plot-wise, this beast makes some extremely questionable choices and squanders a great deal of potential built up by Ep VII, and places the narrative in a very odd place for IX.


    It seems designed to subvert expectations. Like Disney went "People found the last one was too predictable. Johnson, fuck with them at every turn." Constantly. Almost to the point where it almost becomes tiresome, and you wonder whether or not every instance was wise. So...that's just it for Snoke and Phasma then? They're nothing characters? Snoke's...just some guy with a wrecked face and dark side aspirations? Intentionally a poor man's Palpatine? ....Okay?


    I feel like can say with absolute certainty now that no matter how good Ep IX will be, this sequel trilogy - if we'll even be able to call it that - will not come remotely close to matching the original. For all its effort, it's already far too uneven and shaky 2/3 films in. This thing just trips over itself in an attempt to make points about not putting the past up on a pedestal, and shoots its own narrative in the foot as a result. I am wondering if all of this is a story that even needs to be told, and I was hoping I'd never feel that way.


    I find that unfortunate, considering that I teared up once or twice from sheer joy at what I witnessed; Leia using the force, Yoda's brief appearance (slightly gratuitous, but heartwarming). I wonder how that's possible.


    One thing's for certain: this is Mark Hamill's movie. All other concerns aside, this was without question the best Luke Skywalker has ever been.



    It's gonna go down as the really, really weird one.

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    You can make the movie nearly perfect by simply cutting Spoiler: cutting the entire casino thread and everything with Finn/Rose

    You can eliminate most of the movies remaining important problems by Spoiler: giving more time to focus on Rey EARNING something. She's such a fucking Mary Sue.

    I REALLY would have liked to see Spoiler: Kylo Ren ACTUALLY turn. It's hasn't happened in a star wars movie before. And it would have fit the movies theme of exploring grey areas. Stop looking at every thing as good evil: Luke fucked up bad. Let Kylo Ren redeem himself

    Also a lot of people are complaining about this but I love that they just Spoiler: killed snoke. These movies don't have enough time to explain or deal with him. Ren is a better, more interesting character.

    They're not getting enough credit for Spoiler: making Rey's parents nobody. That was perfect. And they handled it well.
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    Loved it.

    --FUCK MARY SUErs!!!

    -- OMG, that last shot Last shot hit me so hard... 34 year old me knows that feeling... *tears* I felt like Adam Scott when he met Mark Hamill... holy crap...

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