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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Beach View Post
    I don't really see how mastermind could necessarily be construed as being a positive thing. I've mostly heard it used when referring to bad people, and have rarely heard it used in a positive light.
    Anyway, he's dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    "I won't give you the gift of hating you"
    "I will insult you with my happiness"

    https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/vid...3213901157217/
    That is so powerful and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    That is so powerful and awesome.
    I gotta say, I look up to this guy a lot. I can't imagine the power it took to suppress every emotional instinct of rage/hate/revenge/etc. Yet, in doing so, he inflicted the most damage he could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
    Germany killed 30 Million Russians...even the Russians are confident in Germany today and have been for many years.

    Its not the same country at all...its 70 fucking years later.....Germany is such a strong country...at the moment it is ridiculous..
    russia isnt at ease about germany, this is why germany has no nuclear weapons. neither west or east is comfortable with a fully rearmed germany. I feel like we would be better off if germany had the nukes rather than britain, butbinhave a sneaking suspicion i could be wrong

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    Paris terror attacks

    This article has some interesting info about what happened from the victim's perspective that I haven't seen before. The hour long conversation between hostage and terrorist that started with humor. The sound of cellphones going off on the bodies. The police commissioner going in before special forces could, and taking out one of the shooters. Fuck.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/abf13...-paris-attacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    "I won't give you the gift of hating you"
    "I will insult you with my happiness"

    https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/vid...3213901157217/
    that shit came on the cbsn streaming channel and it made me CRY. not just tear up, but seriously cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    russia isnt at ease about germany, this is why germany has no nuclear weapons. neither west or east is comfortable with a fully rearmed germany. I feel like we would be better off if germany had the nukes rather than britain, butbinhave a sneaking suspicion i could be wrong
    70 years is nothing in history, so I don't understand that sentiment. Germany (and the names she was known before that) has always been a very strong country/kingdom. Obviously some of the "whys" changed throughout the 100s of years, but it is beyond doubt, that she could become a super-power once again, if the others would let her.

    Despite all of that, I don't think WW2 has much to do with Germany being weak on a military side. Even without nukes she could have a proper fucking army ready to bomb the shit out of someone if needed to be - or strong leaders. I don't see how it would oppose anyone's goals if one of the strongest country in Europe could actually do something to defend her (or her allies) rights.

    Though, even if Germany was strong, I doubt much would change in the current situation. No one will eradicate ISIS, these attacks will never stop. I read someone using the word entangled, and it's a really fitting word to this situation. There are so much bullshit behind the scenes, that everything that's happening now is just to please the people. The people of France can be happy for now, that their country totally bombed some targets in Syria. Amazing, but it doesn't matter in the long run. What happened in Paris will happen again, and again and again - as history already proved it.

    I'm not worried, because I will never get assaulted by terrorists in my country, no one gives a fuck about Eastern-Europe, and the chances of me being in danger on the very few days/year when I'm actually abroad are extremely slim. It's just sad, that certain motives deny us to completely eradicate these terrorists. We are partially to be blamed though. Back in the day, no one cared that two Japanese cities were basically erased with mainly civilian casualties, just to end the war faster, but now no one even allowed to do collateral damage to battle these madmen. It's funny though, civilians dying as collateral damage is frowned upon, yet people are so vocal against immigrants who seek shelter.

    As you can see, it annoys me quite a bit, and I can't even fathom how would I feel if I actually lived in Western-Europe, and having to witness this circus the governments are trying to force down my throat to shut me up.
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    I guess this goes here.

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    Oof, that was really hard to watch.

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    I made the mistake of watching it at work yesterday afternoon. Luckily no one came by because there was no "I've got something in my eyes" bullshit I could've covered my reaction with.
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    Those guys are victims too; I hope they are getting help because they've been through hell. Jesse seems a wreck.

    I really hope musicians will take up their offer to cover that song. I'm going to buy every single cover being done. I wish TR would do it; his fanbase alone would jump on it.

    I would suggest creating a thread in the music forums to keep track of the covers, if any, so that anyone who wants to buy them would get the chance to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    russia isnt at ease about germany, this is why germany has no nuclear weapons. neither west or east is comfortable with a fully rearmed germany. I feel like we would be better off if germany had the nukes rather than britain, butbinhave a sneaking suspicion i could be wrong
    When i mean Russia is okay with Germany i mean Vladmir Putin and former German PM Gerard Schroder were like best friends...people told them to tone down their friendship as it looked unprofressional...As Russia is a corrupt mafia state at the moment basically run by a dictator of course they are not going to give any logical reasonable response, but russia has fuck all to do with this, NATO countries should start supporting an armed Germany. I Cant understand why France, Britain or the United States would not be okay with a armed and Nuclear Germany in 2015.
    Also i think its vital Britain and France hang on to their nukes. As a last of the last resort type deterrence, its about independence.
    I still stand by the fact we need a stronger Germany and harder more unified European response.
    The Syrian Crisis has after 5 long years finally spilled into Europe...its now our problem and nobody in Europe has any fucking idea how to deal with it.
    Something is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by marodi View Post

    I really hope musicians will take up their offer to cover that song. I'm going to buy every single cover being done. I wish TR would do it; his fanbase alone would jump on it.

    I would suggest creating a thread in the music forums to keep track of the covers, if any, so that anyone who wants to buy them would get the chance to do it.


    I agree.

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    France is proposing a ban on free wifi and tor.... wtf
    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/aft...bid-free-wi-fi

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    France is proposing a ban on free wifi and tor.... wtf
    Well, isn't the whole idea that it would be impossible to "ban" Tor? If we COULD ban it wouldn't we as well, considering how much insane shit is apparently going on in the "deep web?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Well, isn't the whole idea that it would be impossible to "ban" Tor? If we COULD ban it wouldn't we as well, considering how much insane shit is apparently going on in the "deep web?"
    Yes. Tor is built to circumvent censorship. Many countries have spent huge amounts of money trying. They have all failed. The fact that the leaders WANT to shows a cowardice in compromising the principles of freedom of speech and privacy. The number of people around the world who currently think infringing on on both of those in the name of false security is just plain sad. We've had this debate constantly in the post 9/11 world and it seems like many have forgotten.


    it's also worth mentioning that the terrorists in this attack didn't use encryption, anonymizing tech, etc. They used easy to intercept/monitor technology. Not that the answer would matter either way for this topic, but their proposals don't even try to align under the topic they are using to justify it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swykk View Post
    I made the mistake of watching it at work yesterday afternoon. Luckily no one came by because there was no "I've got something in my eyes" bullshit I could've covered my reaction with.
    That made me really cry, as well. I hope ALL of the survivors of get some therapy because that is some serious PTSD shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Yes. Tor is built to circumvent censorship. Many countries have spent huge amounts of money trying. They have all failed. The fact that the leaders WANT to shows a cowardice in compromising the principles of freedom of speech and privacy. The number of people around the world who currently think infringing on on both of those in the name of false security is just plain sad. We've had this debate constantly in the post 9/11 world and it seems like many have forgotten.


    it's also worth mentioning that the terrorists in this attack didn't use encryption, anonymizing tech, etc. They used easy to intercept/monitor technology. Not that the answer would matter either way for this topic, but their proposals don't even try to align under the topic they are using to justify it.
    I would go so far as to say that the government doesn't WANT to ban Tor, because they're already there.
    Why wouldn't they be there? I would imagine that some of the best hackers in the world are on gvmt payrolls.
    I feel pretty strongly that they want people to THINK that they aren't being monitored.

    So basically, as far as all the insane shit that they could potentially stop, well, these are cold men. They are willing to let SOME terrible shit happen in the interest of stopping shit they consider WORSE. And as much as i hate to say it, maybe those are the kind of men we need in charge. Who can tell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I would go so far as to say that the government doesn't WANT to ban Tor, because they're already there.
    Why wouldn't they be there? I would imagine that some of the best hackers in the world are on gvmt payrolls.
    I feel pretty strongly that they want people to THINK that they aren't being monitored.

    So basically, as far as all the insane shit that they could potentially stop, well, these are cold men. They are willing to let SOME terrible shit happen in the interest of stopping shit they consider WORSE. And as much as i hate to say it, maybe those are the kind of men we need in charge. Who can tell?
    nah. Places like Iran and China want to STOP the use of Tor, they've spent tons of money trying to do so, but they can't. The US has certainly been trying to see inside Tor communications, and they have done so partially but nowhere near enough to fulfill their need of dragnet surveillance. The Snowden dumps confirm this. The way to deal with Tor is to bypass it-- targeted hacking of a computer. Currently, that requires more resources and for them to do more traditional investigation to build enough evidence to target someone. That's the way it should be! (preferably while getting a warrant for it, but that doesn't seem to be happening in most cases).

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    Gun linked to Paris attacks traced back to Florida arms dealer implicated in Iran-Contra scandal
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun-...ontra-scandal/

    the fuck?? it's a fucking AK, most common gun in the world. Why the hell did they require such a round about way of sourcing it?

    This is really weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    That made me really cry, as well. I hope ALL of the survivors of get some therapy because that is some serious PTSD shit.
    Survivors are seeing specialists, and families of the victims get three sessions for a psych eval if they wish.
    So far the government has covered all their bases when it comes to taking care of the victims and their families. They are extremely thorough and diligent.
    It's all in their best interest really, but not having to deal with red tape bullshit and slow administration was a fucking relief in those circumstances.

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